[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[Darthe]

Could be. Schema related to the game mafia is pretty perfectly self explanatory imo. Its all encompassing.

[Tiinker]

Mafia schema just refers to "how you play mafia and how you interpret things in mafia". 

 

 

Mafia play isn't a pathology, it's decision oriented. Let's not pretend that we are locked into any sort of behaviour here beyond what we have designated in our mafia schemas.

 

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Mafia isn't deterministic, it's decision oriented. We're only determined by our individual approaches to the game?

[monstrman]

The use of pathology is inappropriate I think, but I got what he was saying

[dicetosser1]

At dy

 

 

 

 

Sorry I subbed into anot her game and subsequently lynched the SK over a peeked villager then lost it for the town because I didn't trust myself

 

 

the red  manbat tends to doubt himself as he goes on and tinfoilsd himself into ATE

 

Darthe  can be totally on point all game then suddenly lose the plot  go off on some wildness and cost town the game

 

besie  is hard cause shes played like 5 games 3 of which she was scum

 

tink   coming back after years away

 

pral  inactive but when town can have incredible reads

 

wifi   erratic  i judge her on consistency compared to other games she flipped town

 

nol   kinda a set in stone person. has definite thoughts on things that dont change  for eg  will ALWAYS policy lynch self voters

 

sooh   has proven recently that she can town tell EXTREMELY clearly in some games. isnt doing that here tho

[dyachei]

ty dice

[Darthe]

Mafia schema just refers to "how you play mafia and how you interpret things in mafia".

 

 

Mafia play isn't a pathology, it's decision oriented. Let's not pretend that we are locked into any sort of behaviour here beyond what we have designated in our mafia schemas.

 

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Mafia isn't deterministic, it's decision oriented. We're only determined by our individual approaches to the game?

No no no, though this really isnt game related and it's weird how incolved you suddenly are.. let me try this once more.

 

Im a counselor, I use the terms in a strictly psychological sense. Pathology is a pattern of thinking of behavior that influences personality, and schema is, in psych, the way your brain organizes relationships between concepts.

 

what I said is that mafia play isnt based in your personality or fixations with certain concepts, its based in your decisions. This was a bit of a critique on my part because manbat is always so caight up in how he relates to the game that he forgets he can be someone else here and that he isnt stuck in the same narrative that he emotionally carries around everywhere. Then, let's not pretend dadadada should all make sense. Mafia schemas is literally saying "hey, what you think of when you think of the game affects how you relate to the game. It's how you act, how you're "supposed" to act, what you interpret and etc. Much the way that barney= childhood, dinosaur, purple, songs, and etc for me it can mean something totally different for you depending on your relationship with it.

 

That all seems to me to be pretty clear, but then I bet we have different schemas related to these words.

[Tiinker]

 

Mafia schema just refers to "how you play mafia and how you interpret things in mafia".

 

 

Mafia play isn't a pathology, it's decision oriented. Let's not pretend that we are locked into any sort of behaviour here beyond what we have designated in our mafia schemas.

 

Translate:

 

Mafia isn't deterministic, it's decision oriented. We're only determined by our individual approaches to the game?

No no no, though this really isnt game related and it's weird how incolved you suddenly are.. let me try this once more.

 

Im a counselor, I use the terms in a strictly psychological sense. Pathology is a pattern of thinking of behavior that influences personality, and schema is, in psych, the way your brain organizes relationships between concepts.

 

what I said is that mafia play isnt based in your personality or fixations with certain concepts, its based in your decisions. This was a bit of a critique on my part because manbat is always so caight up in how he relates to the game that he forgets he can be someone else here and that he isnt stuck in the same narrative that he emotionally carries around everywhere. Then, let's not pretend dadadada should all make sense. Mafia schemas is literally saying "hey, what you think of when you think of the game affects how you relate to the game. It's how you act, how you're "supposed" to act, what you interpret and etc. Much the way that barney= childhood, dinosaur, purple, songs, and etc for me it can mean something totally different for you depending on your relationship with it.

 

That all seems to me to be pretty clear, but then I bet we have different schemas related to these words.

 

 

Surely you could argue that your decisions are determined both by the situational context as well as your personality. Is your point that you should be able to distance yourself from the "narrative" that you've subconsciously created via personality/lack of awareness in order to do proper analysis?

[Darthe]

 

 

That's two townies you've mislynched Darthe

Rofl you were on the Believer lynch.

Yes I was...but I wasn't actively trying to get others to vote him. There were 3 trains out...Besie, Believer, and Tiink....Believer was the only one in my scum pile. so...should I lynch a townie or a scummy...now I gotta think....are you scum...should I have voted you???

Okay, I'll try to keep this on point. Townies dont know who is who, so your initial statement that ive lynched two of them is a moot point. I couldnt know, all I have to go on is my reasoning. Were I a wolf then perhaps you would have a point, but if youre town then you cant know that im a wolf so again, its moot since for this point to be anything other than null youd have to know things you cant know, namely my alignment or that I knew theirs.

 

Tinks next point is critical of the above. What you did by saying I lynched them was place me in sole responsibility for a group effort. Certainly, I worked towards that, but again as either alignment my goal is to attempt to get the lynches that I want processed. Moreover, tink is poking fun because you took part in the secknd lynch, which suggests that you felt that is was valid pre-flip. To later chastize another for an action you yourself were involved in appears from the outside to either be incompetence or an attempt at distancing yourself from an action that you think would create negativity regarding your slot. Neither of those are good things, to be clear.

 

As for the final post quoted, your attempts at explaining your reasoning are fine, in that you have some explanation, but are faulty which lends credence to the idea that you dont know what you are doing. The reason that they are faulty are because they show that you dont understand that ultimately, all votes are equal. Where I may have pushed a train as a townie because I was convinced of my opinion, a wolf may well have seen the opportunity to say "yeah that looks good" and followed me on what for them was an easy meal. The opposite could well be true. In your case, you state that you found him wolfy too which begs the question of why you didnt push him? If you're town you failed in not committing to a lynch you thought contained a wolf, rather than failing in lynching a townie. If you're a wolf, then you're making an error in backing away from someone you claim was a suspect, because shifting the blame often looks worse for the person shifting.

 

As for the last bit, let me quote it. "now I gotta think....are you scum...should I have voted you???"

 

This little thing here is what I call a turnaround. What it really says is that you want a suspect out of this and that you're uncomfortable with being questioned. "Now I gotta think" sounds entirely premeditated, and combined with the plethora of ...s it looks highly uncomfortable. "Are you scum", as a result, reads entirely as uncurious and instead like a very feeble attempt to get others to ask the same question of tink, and "should I have voted you???" Just reads as fake. So very fake.

 

Please understand, this isn't to cut you down. Its newly to wake you up to the concept that you're consistently living on grace because your posts, consistently, can be shredded in much this fashion as very inconsistent.

[Darthe]

 

 

Mafia schema just refers to "how you play mafia and how you interpret things in mafia".

 

 

Mafia play isn't a pathology, it's decision oriented. Let's not pretend that we are locked into any sort of behaviour here beyond what we have designated in our mafia schemas.

 

Translate:

 

Mafia isn't deterministic, it's decision oriented. We're only determined by our individual approaches to the game?

No no no, though this really isnt game related and it's weird how incolved you suddenly are.. let me try this once more.

 

Im a counselor, I use the terms in a strictly psychological sense. Pathology is a pattern of thinking of behavior that influences personality, and schema is, in psych, the way your brain organizes relationships between concepts.

 

what I said is that mafia play isnt based in your personality or fixations with certain concepts, its based in your decisions. This was a bit of a critique on my part because manbat is always so caight up in how he relates to the game that he forgets he can be someone else here and that he isnt stuck in the same narrative that he emotionally carries around everywhere. Then, let's not pretend dadadada should all make sense. Mafia schemas is literally saying "hey, what you think of when you think of the game affects how you relate to the game. It's how you act, how you're "supposed" to act, what you interpret and etc. Much the way that barney= childhood, dinosaur, purple, songs, and etc for me it can mean something totally different for you depending on your relationship with it.

 

That all seems to me to be pretty clear, but then I bet we have different schemas related to these words.

Surely you could argue that your decisions are determined both by the situational context as well as your personality. Is your point that you should be able to distance yourself from the "narrative" that you've subconsciously created via personality/lack of awareness in order to do proper analysis?

More that even if you're a wreck irl, or jolly, or man, or anything, that you do not have to be that here and you don't have to bring it into your game.

[Darthe]

I really used the word consistent too much at the end there.

[monstrman]

 

 

 

Mafia schema just refers to "how you play mafia and how you interpret things in mafia".

Mafia play isn't a pathology, it's decision oriented. Let's not pretend that we are locked into any sort of behaviour here beyond what we have designated in our mafia schemas.

Translate:

Mafia isn't deterministic, it's decision oriented. We're only determined by our individual approaches to the game?

No no no, though this really isnt game related and it's weird how incolved you suddenly are.. let me try this once more.

Im a counselor, I use the terms in a strictly psychological sense. Pathology is a pattern of thinking of behavior that influences personality, and schema is, in psych, the way your brain organizes relationships between concepts.

what I said is that mafia play isnt based in your personality or fixations with certain concepts, its based in your decisions. This was a bit of a critique on my part because manbat is always so caight up in how he relates to the game that he forgets he can be someone else here and that he isnt stuck in the same narrative that he emotionally carries around everywhere. Then, let's not pretend dadadada should all make sense. Mafia schemas is literally saying "hey, what you think of when you think of the game affects how you relate to the game. It's how you act, how you're "supposed" to act, what you interpret and etc. Much the way that barney= childhood, dinosaur, purple, songs, and etc for me it can mean something totally different for you depending on your relationship with it.

That all seems to me to be pretty clear, but then I bet we have different schemas related to these words.

Surely you could argue that your decisions are determined both by the situational context as well as your personality. Is your point that you should be able to distance yourself from the "narrative" that you've subconsciously created via personality/lack of awareness in order to do proper analysis?

More that even if you're a wreck irl, or jolly, or man, or anything, that you do not have to be that here and you don't have to bring it into your game.

Somehow I always knew this but I've never been able to do it in execution

 

I'd be a fantastic player if I could 1) cut my self doubt

 

And 2) stop being an emotionally distraught pidgeon

[monstrman]

I really used the word consistent too much at the end there.

So you weren't even consistent in your usage of the word consistent. Wow.

[Darthe]

Sometimes I amaze even me

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

Mafia schema just refers to "how you play mafia and how you interpret things in mafia".

Mafia play isn't a pathology, it's decision oriented. Let's not pretend that we are locked into any sort of behaviour here beyond what we have designated in our mafia schemas.

Translate:

Mafia isn't deterministic, it's decision oriented. We're only determined by our individual approaches to the game?

No no no, though this really isnt game related and it's weird how incolved you suddenly are.. let me try this once more.

Im a counselor, I use the terms in a strictly psychological sense. Pathology is a pattern of thinking of behavior that influences personality, and schema is, in psych, the way your brain organizes relationships between concepts.

what I said is that mafia play isnt based in your personality or fixations with certain concepts, its based in your decisions. This was a bit of a critique on my part because manbat is always so caight up in how he relates to the game that he forgets he can be someone else here and that he isnt stuck in the same narrative that he emotionally carries around everywhere. Then, let's not pretend dadadada should all make sense. Mafia schemas is literally saying "hey, what you think of when you think of the game affects how you relate to the game. It's how you act, how you're "supposed" to act, what you interpret and etc. Much the way that barney= childhood, dinosaur, purple, songs, and etc for me it can mean something totally different for you depending on your relationship with it.

That all seems to me to be pretty clear, but then I bet we have different schemas related to these words.

Surely you could argue that your decisions are determined both by the situational context as well as your personality. Is your point that you should be able to distance yourself from the "narrative" that you've subconsciously created via personality/lack of awareness in order to do proper analysis?

More that even if you're a wreck irl, or jolly, or man, or anything, that you do not have to be that here and you don't have to bring it into your game.

Somehow I always knew this but I've never been able to do it in execution

 

I'd be a fantastic player if I could 1) cut my self doubt

 

And 2) stop being an emotionally distraught pidgeon

Imo you're a great player regardless

[monstrman]

I think it's gonna be tough for me though because doing both of those things requires an almost daily retraining of myself to ensure I don't fall back into my old habits

[monstrman]

 

 

 

 

 

Mafia schema just refers to "how you play mafia and how you interpret things in mafia".

Mafia play isn't a pathology, it's decision oriented. Let's not pretend that we are locked into any sort of behaviour here beyond what we have designated in our mafia schemas.

Translate:

Mafia isn't deterministic, it's decision oriented. We're only determined by our individual approaches to the game?

No no no, though this really isnt game related and it's weird how incolved you suddenly are.. let me try this once more.

Im a counselor, I use the terms in a strictly psychological sense. Pathology is a pattern of thinking of behavior that influences personality, and schema is, in psych, the way your brain organizes relationships between concepts.

what I said is that mafia play isnt based in your personality or fixations with certain concepts, its based in your decisions. This was a bit of a critique on my part because manbat is always so caight up in how he relates to the game that he forgets he can be someone else here and that he isnt stuck in the same narrative that he emotionally carries around everywhere. Then, let's not pretend dadadada should all make sense. Mafia schemas is literally saying "hey, what you think of when you think of the game affects how you relate to the game. It's how you act, how you're "supposed" to act, what you interpret and etc. Much the way that barney= childhood, dinosaur, purple, songs, and etc for me it can mean something totally different for you depending on your relationship with it.

That all seems to me to be pretty clear, but then I bet we have different schemas related to these words.

Surely you could argue that your decisions are determined both by the situational context as well as your personality. Is your point that you should be able to distance yourself from the "narrative" that you've subconsciously created via personality/lack of awareness in order to do proper analysis?

More that even if you're a wreck irl, or jolly, or man, or anything, that you do not have to be that here and you don't have to bring it into your game.

Somehow I always knew this but I've never been able to do it in execution

I'd be a fantastic player if I could 1) cut my self doubt

And 2) stop being an emotionally distraught pidgeon

Imo you're a great player regardless

Awts <3

 

In fairness to myself I tend to remember my failures much more often than my successes

[Darthe]

I dont sweat this game too much. Im here to relax and have fun, usually.

[monstrman]

I'm here to win because I want to win

 

I don't like investing all my time and then losing because then I feel like it's wasted time

 

Which is why I suck at wolfing because I end up just not putting the effort in because the victory isn't good enough to outweigh the suck

[monstrman]

Don't forget about sooh

[monstrman]

Darthe what is your opinion on sooh now?

[Darthe]

Could be a wolf.  Could be town.  I need to do more research.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

 

That's two townies you've mislynched Darthe

Rofl you were on the Believer lynch.

Yes I was...but I wasn't actively trying to get others to vote him. There were 3 trains out...Besie, Believer, and Tiink....Believer was the only one in my scum pile. so...should I lynch a townie or a scummy...now I gotta think....are you scum...should I have voted you???

Okay, I'll try to keep this on point. Townies dont know who is who, so your initial statement that ive lynched two of them is a moot point. I couldnt know, all I have to go on is my reasoning. Were I a wolf then perhaps you would have a point, but if youre town then you cant know that im a wolf so again, its moot since for this point to be anything other than null youd have to know things you cant know, namely my alignment or that I knew theirs.

 

Tinks next point is critical of the above. What you did by saying I lynched them was place me in sole responsibility for a group effort. Certainly, I worked towards that, but again as either alignment my goal is to attempt to get the lynches that I want processed. Moreover, tink is poking fun because you took part in the secknd lynch, which suggests that you felt that is was valid pre-flip. To later chastize another for an action you yourself were involved in appears from the outside to either be incompetence or an attempt at distancing yourself from an action that you think would create negativity regarding your slot. Neither of those are good things, to be clear.

 

As for the final post quoted, your attempts at explaining your reasoning are fine, in that you have some explanation, but are faulty which lends credence to the idea that you dont know what you are doing. The reason that they are faulty are because they show that you dont understand that ultimately, all votes are equal. Where I may have pushed a train as a townie because I was convinced of my opinion, a wolf may well have seen the opportunity to say "yeah that looks good" and followed me on what for them was an easy meal. The opposite could well be true. In your case, you state that you found him wolfy too which begs the question of why you didnt push him? If you're town you failed in not committing to a lynch you thought contained a wolf, rather than failing in lynching a townie. If you're a wolf, then you're making an error in backing away from someone you claim was a suspect, because shifting the blame often looks worse for the person shifting.

 

As for the last bit, let me quote it. "now I gotta think....are you scum...should I have voted you???"

 

This little thing here is what I call a turnaround. What it really says is that you want a suspect out of this and that you're uncomfortable with being questioned. "Now I gotta think" sounds entirely premeditated, and combined with the plethora of ...s it looks highly uncomfortable. "Are you scum", as a result, reads entirely as uncurious and instead like a very feeble attempt to get others to ask the same question of tink, and "should I have voted you???" Just reads as fake. So very fake.

 

Please understand, this isn't to cut you down. Its newly to wake you up to the concept that you're consistently living on grace because your posts, consistently, can be shredded in much this fashion as very inconsistent.

 

 

Thank you, Darthe! I really needed to "hear" that.  I honestly just don't know what to say.  I see you all asking these cool questions that I never would have thought of and I feel so dumb.  That's why I think "outside the box." Well tbh not really.  I am paranoid a lot.  So I see almost everything from a paranoid perspective.  I know you said:

 

 

*snipped*

Surely you could argue that your decisions are determined both by the situational context as well as your personality. Is your point that you should be able to distance yourself from the "narrative" that you've subconsciously created via personality/lack of awareness in order to do proper analysis?

More that even if you're a wreck irl, or jolly, or man, or anything, that you do not have to be that here and you don't have to bring it into your game.

 

 

the bold. However, it just comes out.  and heck even when I tried to be "normal" people were sussing me cause I wasn't posting crazy... I think you were one of them.  You did it in this game I think too.  Said my post was too "thought out" or "crafted" something like that.  

[Darthe]

Yeah!  It's sorta your meta because people try to work around who you are rather than expecting you to conform to what they want to see.... At least until they think they've got you pretty down pat.  Then changing, or developing, can appear wolfy.  That's the whole problem with meta, it's a hard thing to change.  

 

Relating this to myself, since that's how it's easiest, if I am not hardheaded in a match I get sus for it from other players.  If I am though, and I'm not very good, then I also get sus.  If I'm just good enough to barely lose though, people will say I maybe bussed. It is very difficult as a result of my meta for anyone to ever confidently clear me, and that not only makes my meta bad for them but also bad for me.  

 

No one wants to be trapped by a meta that harms their ability to play, do they?  

[Darthe]

Also, apologies to everyone for all my metagame discussions and off topic stuff this evening.  I like to chat about mafia almost as much as I enjoy playing it.  How it's structured, how people interact and perceive one another, how roles interplay, it's all great to me.  

[Darthe]

1. Zander - Lt. Gillette - Lynched D1
2. Darthe
3. Dice
4. Monstr
5. Hellian
6. Kat/Pral
7. Besie
8. Nego
9. Sooh
10. Believer - Elizabeth Turner, Vanilla Town Lynched D2
11. Tiinklove
12. Calder - Tia Dalma - Town Doc - Killed N1

13. Nolder - *claimed: watcher, watched Darthe n1, result was did not move.*

 

 

This is what we have so far.