[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[monstrman]

AtE is definitely not alignment indicative for me, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not indicative for someone else

 

I don't know that I've seen you use AtE before so I'm not sure if it's more likely to come from your town or mafia game

 

Hypocritical? Sure, but that doesn't matter because it's better for me as a townie overall to weight things objectively

 

I mean, it's just how the world works ik it kind of makes me a jerk but I want to win and that means lynching wolves by any means necessary

[Zander?]

Zander say all your reads are wrong

 

Who is the deep wolf?

 

 

I mean I guess not ALL but

 

You get what I mean. Say calder is a villager and you have at most 1 scum in your PoE

 

Who is the deep wolf and why

 

I dont think im wrong on Calder.

 

If not there is ALWAYS at least 1 Scum on my train already

 

Darthe

Tink

Sooh

 

Darthe has pulled this kinda BS as Town!Darthe before but since its so easy to play his style its not hard to fake imo.  i also know darthes salty towards me and strikes me as the type of player to carry that over regardless of alignment.  hence my quote of his vote on me and my explanation.

Tink- I head as Town then he all of a sudden piles on for no reason, I dont even recall him sussing me up until that point tho I could be wrong.

Sooh- Like Darthe has as Town!Sooh completely read me wrong for #raisins as I have with her,  She said she was gonna ISO me so I gotta see what she comes back with.

 

So def from in there, obv there not all Wolves but theres at least one there.

 

Id like to get a full reread in to see.  But since Ive seen both Darthe and Sooh do this as Town and youre removing Calder from my PoE.  TInks vote looks bad.

 

Its D1, and I dont feel like anybody is really at the deepwolf level atp

 

There's like no being universally Town reads with maybe the exception of you.

 

I dont feel like youre a Wolf atp.

[Darthe]

Z you look like youre trying to weasel out by finding fault in anyone who votes you.

 

 

Kindly die now please

[Zander?]

Like I read the thread, dude I don't need you to quote half the thing again. It's pretty obvious calder has a tunnel on you, and it's pretty clear why, but hpw is pointing out tht youre being tunnelled without addressing the critiques of your earlier play of any benefit?

 

You cant dismiss earlier lack of effort, nonfluidity, or heavily reactive play as "thats just me" and expect to get a pass here. Your views also dont line up with mine, so ive not got reason to readjust even though you're informing my opinion.

 

Its just overall at odds with what I expect of town aligned people.

 

Ive addressed EVERYTHING that was to me NUMEROUS TIMES.

 

I dont expect any sort of pass.  I do expect people to do the same as I do tho and address my stuff.

 

Calders STRAIGHT UP IGNORED MOST EVERYTHING IVE SAID TO HIM.

 

 

 

Also the only logically explanation for any difference in my play for Calder is that Im Scum thats it no other possibility even considered..

This for instance. Not only must it be nice living in that gpasx house, but what possibility is he supposed to consider? Everyone's job, including.even the wolves, is to weigh players based on alignment. Just ugh

 

 

Is this a real question?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

drivebyshadeattempdenied.gif

 

Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

 

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

 

 

 

 

Literally tho as far as I can tell only thing youre referencing here is Believers reads list so I dont know why you worded it that way at all.

 

Do you have other examples you can show me?

I was talking about how you went after Besie for saying she now likes to play as town much more than she used to, and how that is OMGSOSCUMMY. 

 

I guess the other thing was about her misremembering, but that's a separate discussion.

 

 

No you straight up said I was ignoring things.  Other then Believers read list which I commented taking with a grain of salt youve yet to show 1 EXAMPLE of me ignoring things.

 

Funny thing is tho:

 

I listened and reevaluated Besie when she explained out the Meta thing.  Something Id like to add is that you were sussing her early as well but only have an issue with me doing it?

 

Also I listened to and reevaluated Believer after his play different roles differently.

 

So what am I ignoring Sooh?

 

At least I unlike others have been working on progessing and reevaluating my reads.

 

This is all stuff that Scum!Zander normally does Sooh??

 

Seriously if youre Town give your head a shake please and reread me.

 

You are literally not listening, are you. 

 

I'm saying that when people EXPLAIN THINGS to you, you have to hear it SEVERAL TIMES before you STOP IGNORING it and RETHINK your position.

 

I am reading you, and I see town blips here and there, but no more than I know that scum!Zander is capable of. I have been blindsided SO MANY TIMES lately, and I will not stand by and watch you do the same to this village!

 

 

So youve seen Towny blips from me but still think Im not out of my SCum range...fair enough.

 

But because people have fooled you before you are just gonna lynch me even tho youve seen glimpses of My Town game??!?!?!

[Zander?]

Zander!

 

Sooooooo tell me honestly. Arrre you arre you not town?

 

I'm not wtl you today but I won't be sad if you flip scum. If you're town, where's your wim? Who are the wolves, hmmm?

 

 

 

on another note, i'm reading from p53 - i'll be caught up soon

 

Have you even bothered to read any of my posts because my WIM has been ever present since Ive dug back in and given my reads.

 

And look at all my recent Scums games....I dont put up this kind of fight.

 

And havent since I hydra'd with Besie in Diablo, It was her first games, Yates accused for BS from RL and had a red peek on me.

 

I JUST DONT CARE ENOUGH ANYMORE TO BOTHER WITH THIS AS SCUM!!!!

[Guest]

Got to middle p56

 

There’s some questions in here for Darthe, Zander, Believer

 

 

 

Hey does anyone need the reminder that zander didnt start to omgus til I called him out for not doing it?

You saw that too? Ok cool.

 

I didn’t specifically notice it, no. Could you please quote the posts?

 

 

I don't want to vote you if there's a possibility you're town and there is

So that's not quite a 100% flawless philosophy

honestly i'm not going to be much use today so either lynch me or wait until d2. i'll try to step it up when there's less ppl for me to read but right now it's not possible.

 

i'm just going to catch up and then go to bed. it's already half past two am.

 

 

lynching you if you’re town won’t help us much, now would it…? just sayin’. not awfully wimmy. Might be because you’re in 3 games…?

 

I'm monstrman

Most of the time it's safe to just

[X] Monstrman is a villager

As long as I look like I care about the game

There is one exception for every like 4 or 5 of my wolf games but yeah

 

lol this post seems towny to me because of the last line I may be naïve in terms of that but hey

From our little … date… yesterday, Monstrman has gone up to probably town imo

 

further on the page (54) darthe seems to be gamesolving imo. towny. I might just move him almost away from my wtl. almost. let’s see.

 

manbat 159 Darthe 159 BlomBesie 149 Zander 131

Nego

 

__________________________________ THE TRY HARDERS (maximum 1 wolf I think given how most of these players have interacted with and pressed one another multiple times throughout the thread)

109

 

Sooh 80 Calder 80 Tiinker 44

dicetosser1

 

__________________ THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD

 

(Dis 1 I also think has max 1 wolf but that's partially because I have had village reads to varying degrees on every player in this category through various parts of the game)

42     Believer 28 Nolder 27

Pralaya

 

____________________________________________ DA GODS FROWN UPON YOU (honestly pral and believer have been varying degrees of villagery as well to me from what I recall, and nolder's big reads post kind of reminds me of the last time I saw him village and he got strung up I think, so I'm not really so sure he's a wolf. The ultimate conclusion I guess that is that I don't really think there is a wolf in here?

24    

 

Might not be a good look but the third wolf is either nolder or hellion I think, with the rest being one out of the other two categories.

 

Though thinking about it, it's entirely possible category 1 has 0 wolves and category 2 has 2, but either way I think category two must contain one wolf ~always

 

 

I see your logic. It’ll be very interesting to look back at this once we have a flip.

 

 

 

*snip*

 

 

 

I believe he's saying "a wolf flip of zander clears Tiink because of zander's defense of tiink"

Yes. No manbat in my take there. I dont see a reason why scum Zander advocates for scum Tiink (he was not in trouble). More likely scum Zander hoping to look good if a mislynch of Tiink occurred.

 

 

Okay, thank you.

 

I think I automatically thought manbat should be in there because I was talking about/with/to him just before this post. Miscommunication on my part, I apologise. 

 

Your reasoning makes sense. How do your thoughts change if Zander is the mislynch?

 

 

TMI???

 

 

No. i used the same word he used. see bold red.

 

Are you actually reading the posts?

 

 

I did

 

I am

 

I still commented.

 

*snip*

 

I see that. Question is, why did you ask me if it was TMI, but not Calder (my top scum read atm)?

If you did, I missed it, so quote it.

 

I kind of just want to see how calder reacts to being a wagon when he returns

 

I thought the same. Has he returned yet?

 

Believer- Had the chance to jump on me and not look bad if he was Scum.  His rebuttals and D1 stubbornness remind me of his Town game even when the early reads didnt.  Im willing to accept the play each role differently for now when I factor these other things in.  Still wanna reread the back and forth he had with Dice.

Monstr- He is very engaged and involved.  His AtE tho easy to fake is also on par with what I know of his Town game.  One of the biggest things I see tho is his ability to readjust his reads on the fly.  Its feels very fluent and genuine imo.

Dice- Have learned Dice is fully capable of fooling people including myself.  Will need some more time to feel comfortable assigning a strong read to Dice either way but his posts have been very Dice Like-  May have a better feel once I reread his and Believers thing but thus far np here.

Besie- Admittedly the worse feel of my Slight Town reads.  The early Meta stuff and saying I got her ML'd was sketch but shes definitely putting in the work.  If she has found a new respect for Towning I know shes the type of person who would give it 110%.  I also dont get the feel atp that shes trying To push things to make them fit. Also well aware Im not good at reading her and have a bit of a personal bias.  Also shes the most likely person who is capable of pocketing me imo.

 

Tink- Would have him higher but his WTF vote on me is WTF.  Want to see his reasoning behind it.

Sooh- Liked Sooh out of the gate.  Felt like she was throwing shade at me and Tink as well.  Liked her responses to my questions.  Even tho I dont see how Sooh was pushing me for the things she was, I remember the game where she did this same thing and we were t/t and I ML'd her replacement Turin.

Darhe- Ive seen Town!Darthe be really really wrong while displaying false bravado before unfortunately.  He's playing different then his last game where he was Town admittedly but Ive still seen this from Town!Darthe before.  All this said I will admit I read Darthe as badly as he reads me tho.

Pral- Interactions with Besie are interesting imo.  The whole he didnt play with her before could be a legit didnt remember but the fact he said he was ISOing her Town game early and stuff is a little weird.  Now his activity level and thread awareness seem pretty good after reading his reads list.  I may not agree with them but not a bad look

 

Nolder- I have thoughts but I kinda wanna see what shakes out here first.

Hellion- lol

Nego- I have no idea how to read him.  hes been fairly involved and hasnt done anything Scummy thus far but I dont have any confidence giving him a lean either way.

 

Calder- He gives a vague reason for voting me.  I know Im Town and I feel theres very little chance imo Im not being pushed by Wolves.  He just calls me Scum earlier and as you can tell makes 0 attempt to try and progress his read to even see if he could be wrong.  And I dont see how that comes from a Town!Calder PoV,  The Calder calling himself Scum stuff is completely Null.   i disagree with Monstr when he said Calder Towny for approaching me like this.  Especially if Calder is like the Vet Wolf of the Scummate if he's Scum.  he doesnt quote answer or respond to most of my questions Ive addressed to him nor really comment on anything Ive said to others iirc.  He'd already decided Im Scum very early on and that was it.

 

[v] Calder [/v]

 

Your hellian opinion seems legit. I do understand most of the reasoning for your list, except Nego. Can you not figure out or at least guess some alignment for him? He’s posted a lot.

 

 

@ zander

 

 

tormentings a bonus

 

So you dont think the same thing you said about Besie applies to me?

 

If you dont Id like you to explain why please?

 

Especially considering the following.

 

What do you think of me being the only real train?

 

 

let's stick with

 

[v]unvote[/v] for now

 

once I see zander's reads list I'm gonna reiso calder and then make a decision

 

Its done brother....really like to hear your take on it and get your read of me please!!!!!

 

 

quoting this for the simple “same thing applies” line. So do you think the same thing applies to Calder that it does to me – question earlier in this post?  Because I find it strange that you acknowledged the fact that you saw it but still didn’t reply to it.

 

Well I was at "if you're scum you're scum with besie" but your read of her doesn't seem like it comes from a w/w perspective so I kind of just think you're town

You're not scum with anyone on your wagon I don't think so

 

This is an interesting thought. You’ve shared your thought process quite a bit so I understand where you’re coming from, but I almost want to disagree. I feel like there has to be at least one scum there, regardless of alignment. fwiw I’d call this tmi if you hadn’t shared your thoughts so much, but you have, so I’m not.

 

You never lynch Zander here.

 

 

NEVER

 

slightly excessive. How can you be so sure in your read in someone you’ve barely played with (at least on dm? I don’t know about other sites)

 

Your post a bit down the page isn't an adequate answer, imo.

 

 

You never lynch Zander here.

 

 

NEVER

 

are you just trying to pocket me?!?!!?!?!??

 

Can you explain why you feel this way atp?

 

Prolly just calder then but I'm not voting him because I don't know how close we are to major and I don't want things to get out of hand

 

Ya I want to see what he comes back with plus we've got time.

 

 

interesting to say this here, even though you say it often. My thoughts are: By saying he’s pocketing you you’re implying that you’re town, and that you think he may be scum even though he’s your strongest town read. Which is odd? Your second  sentence neutralizes that thought though so no matter. Useless thoughts.

 

And to the second thought – agreed.

 

 

 

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

drivebyshadeattempdenied.gif

 

Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

 

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

 

 

 

 

Literally tho as far as I can tell only thing youre referencing here is Believers reads list so I dont know why you worded it that way at all.

 

Do you have other examples you can show me?

I was talking about how you went after Besie for saying she now likes to play as town much more than she used to, and how that is OMGSOSCUMMY. 

 

I guess the other thing was about her misremembering, but that's a separate discussion.

 

 

No you straight up said I was ignoring things.  Other then Believers read list which I commented taking with a grain of salt youve yet to show 1 EXAMPLE of me ignoring things.

 

Funny thing is tho:

 

I listened and reevaluated Besie when she explained out the Meta thing.  Something Id like to add is that you were sussing her early as well but only have an issue with me doing it?

 

Also I listened to and reevaluated Believer after his play different roles differently.

 

So what am I ignoring Sooh?

 

At least I unlike others have been working on progessing and reevaluating my reads.

 

This is all stuff that Scum!Zander normally does Sooh??

 

Seriously if youre Town give your head a shake please and reread me.

 

You are literally not listening, are you. 

 

I'm saying that when people EXPLAIN THINGS to you, you have to hear it SEVERAL TIMES before you STOP IGNORING it and RETHINK your position.

 

I am reading you, and I see town blips here and there, but no more than I know that scum!Zander is capable of. I have been blindsided SO MANY TIMES lately, and I will not stand by and watch you do the same to this village!

 

 

 

 

So youve seen Towny blips from me but still think Im not out of my SCum range...fair enough.

 

But because people have fooled you before you are just gonna lynch me even tho youve seen glimpses of My Town game??!?!?!

 

Oh boy. You're really insisting on misunderstanding or misinterpreting everything I say today, aren't you?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

drivebyshadeattempdenied.gif

 

Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

 

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

 

 

 

 

Literally tho as far as I can tell only thing youre referencing here is Believers reads list so I dont know why you worded it that way at all.

 

Do you have other examples you can show me?

I was talking about how you went after Besie for saying she now likes to play as town much more than she used to, and how that is OMGSOSCUMMY. 

 

I guess the other thing was about her misremembering, but that's a separate discussion.

 

 

No you straight up said I was ignoring things.  Other then Believers read list which I commented taking with a grain of salt youve yet to show 1 EXAMPLE of me ignoring things.

 

Funny thing is tho:

 

I listened and reevaluated Besie when she explained out the Meta thing.  Something Id like to add is that you were sussing her early as well but only have an issue with me doing it?

 

Also I listened to and reevaluated Believer after his play different roles differently.

 

So what am I ignoring Sooh?

 

At least I unlike others have been working on progessing and reevaluating my reads.

 

This is all stuff that Scum!Zander normally does Sooh??

 

Seriously if youre Town give your head a shake please and reread me.

 

You are literally not listening, are you. 

 

I'm saying that when people EXPLAIN THINGS to you, you have to hear it SEVERAL TIMES before you STOP IGNORING it and RETHINK your position.

 

I am reading you, and I see town blips here and there, but no more than I know that scum!Zander is capable of. I have been blindsided SO MANY TIMES lately, and I will not stand by and watch you do the same to this village!

 

 

 

 

So youve seen Towny blips from me but still think Im not out of my SCum range...fair enough.

 

But because people have fooled you before you are just gonna lynch me even tho youve seen glimpses of My Town game??!?!?!

 

Oh boy. You're really insisting on misunderstanding or misinterpreting everything I say today, aren't you?

 

 

wtf did i misrep sooh?

 

Did you say you saw Townt blips but still thought I was Scum.

 

Did you not say the higlighted red in the quote.

 

You keep saying shit like this and its completely false.

[Guest]

 

Zander!

 

Sooooooo tell me honestly. Arrre you arre you not town?

 

I'm not wtl you today but I won't be sad if you flip scum. If you're town, where's your wim? Who are the wolves, hmmm?

 

 

 

on another note, i'm reading from p53 - i'll be caught up soon

 

Have you even bothered to read any of my posts because my WIM has been ever present since Ive dug back in and given my reads.

 

And look at all my recent Scums games....I dont put up this kind of fight.

 

And havent since I hydra'd with Besie in Diablo, It was her first games, Yates accused for BS from RL and had a red peek on me.

 

I JUST DONT CARE ENOUGH ANYMORE TO BOTHER WITH THIS AS SCUM!!!!

 

 

3 things

 

1 - i said i was still catching up (bolded red) - so no, i've not read your recent posts.

 

2 - you didn't answer the question i actually wanted answered (bolded green)

 

3 - i'm guessing the bolded isn't directed at me 

[Zander?]

Im still in another game and wont be around much till later Wednesday likely.

 

Just wanted to state that in advance.

 

THIS IS FROM THE SIGN UP POST

 

manbat

  184 Zander 166 Darthe 165 BlomBesie 153 Nego 111 Sooh 90 Calder 85 dicetosser1 49 Tiinker 47 Nynaeve 39 Believer 31 Nolder 27 Pralaya 24 Hallia 13

 

 

This is the current VC

 

People are complaining about my early activity but go look back

 

Its like D1 so no trend over time.

 

I miss like like 12-18 hours of thread time.

 

Playing in the other game most people know im in.

 

Others have commented on this.

 

Now my issued with it is like this  If someone else peaced out to like say go to work or had plans.

 

Thats not gonna be something they likely get pushed for.

 

Now I STATE in sign ups i have other stuff going on.

 

Im super active right away peace out for a bit and come back and am now the 2nd highest poster.

 

So anyone take issue or have concerns with my activity part?

 

Is so ask and we can discuss

[monstrman]

I think it's highly likely we have a decent concentration of afk wolves

 

Jsjs

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander!

 

Sooooooo tell me honestly. Arrre you arre you not town?

 

I'm not wtl you today but I won't be sad if you flip scum. If you're town, where's your wim? Who are the wolves, hmmm?

 

 

 

on another note, i'm reading from p53 - i'll be caught up soon

 

Have you even bothered to read any of my posts because my WIM has been ever present since Ive dug back in and given my reads.

 

And look at all my recent Scums games....I dont put up this kind of fight.

 

And havent since I hydra'd with Besie in Diablo, It was her first games, Yates accused for BS from RL and had a red peek on me.

 

I JUST DONT CARE ENOUGH ANYMORE TO BOTHER WITH THIS AS SCUM!!!!

 

 

3 things

 

1 - i said i was still catching up (bolded red) - so no, i've not read your recent posts.

 

2 - you didn't answer the question i actually wanted answered (bolded green)

 

3 - i'm guessing the bolded isn't directed at me 

 

 

1-2 ok well catch up and youll see my reads and Monstr asked me to talk about deep wolves.

 

Bold is directed at everybody sussing me,

[monstrman]

Idk idk

 

Zander what was your most recent scum game like?

 

I'll know if you're lying maybe

[monstrman]

I'm sort of feeling like z is a villager still tbh

 

Maybe I am drunk idk but he seems for realsies, not for play-play

[monstrman]

Typing that made me laugh so hard lol

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

drivebyshadeattempdenied.gif

 

Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

 

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

 

 

 

 

Literally tho as far as I can tell only thing youre referencing here is Believers reads list so I dont know why you worded it that way at all.

 

Do you have other examples you can show me?

I was talking about how you went after Besie for saying she now likes to play as town much more than she used to, and how that is OMGSOSCUMMY. 

 

I guess the other thing was about her misremembering, but that's a separate discussion.

 

 

No you straight up said I was ignoring things.  Other then Believers read list which I commented taking with a grain of salt youve yet to show 1 EXAMPLE of me ignoring things.

 

Funny thing is tho:

 

I listened and reevaluated Besie when she explained out the Meta thing.  Something Id like to add is that you were sussing her early as well but only have an issue with me doing it?

 

Also I listened to and reevaluated Believer after his play different roles differently.

 

So what am I ignoring Sooh?

 

At least I unlike others have been working on progessing and reevaluating my reads.

 

This is all stuff that Scum!Zander normally does Sooh??

 

Seriously if youre Town give your head a shake please and reread me.

 

You are literally not listening, are you. 

 

I'm saying that when people EXPLAIN THINGS to you, you have to hear it SEVERAL TIMES before you STOP IGNORING it and RETHINK your position.

 

I am reading you, and I see town blips here and there, but no more than I know that scum!Zander is capable of. I have been blindsided SO MANY TIMES lately, and I will not stand by and watch you do the same to this village!

 

 

 

 

So youve seen Towny blips from me but still think Im not out of my SCum range...fair enough.

 

But because people have fooled you before you are just gonna lynch me even tho youve seen glimpses of My Town game??!?!?!

 

Oh boy. You're really insisting on misunderstanding or misinterpreting everything I say today, aren't you?

 

 

wtf did i misrep sooh?

 

Did you say you saw Townt blips but still thought I was Scum.

 

Did you not say the higlighted red in the quote.

 

You keep saying shit like this and its completely false.

 

Did I say misrep?

 

Did I?

 

Or did I say misUNDERSTAND and misINTERPRET?

 

To me, misREP implies intent. 

 

I did say your overexaggerated bold/red in the post, yes. Does that mean "I am lynching you because I have been fooled by others in other games"? No. It doesn't. It means that I'm not willing to let you off the hook the way I let others do in other games just because it's more comfortable to town read them since I don't have to deal with this kind of stuff. As a townie, that's lazy, and I'm not going to do it anymore.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

drivebyshadeattempdenied.gif

 

Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

 

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

 

 

 

 

Literally tho as far as I can tell only thing youre referencing here is Believers reads list so I dont know why you worded it that way at all.

 

Do you have other examples you can show me?

I was talking about how you went after Besie for saying she now likes to play as town much more than she used to, and how that is OMGSOSCUMMY. 

 

I guess the other thing was about her misremembering, but that's a separate discussion.

 

 

No you straight up said I was ignoring things.  Other then Believers read list which I commented taking with a grain of salt youve yet to show 1 EXAMPLE of me ignoring things.

 

Funny thing is tho:

 

I listened and reevaluated Besie when she explained out the Meta thing.  Something Id like to add is that you were sussing her early as well but only have an issue with me doing it?

 

Also I listened to and reevaluated Believer after his play different roles differently.

 

So what am I ignoring Sooh?

 

At least I unlike others have been working on progessing and reevaluating my reads.

 

This is all stuff that Scum!Zander normally does Sooh??

 

Seriously if youre Town give your head a shake please and reread me.

 

You are literally not listening, are you. 

 

I'm saying that when people EXPLAIN THINGS to you, you have to hear it SEVERAL TIMES before you STOP IGNORING it and RETHINK your position.

 

I am reading you, and I see town blips here and there, but no more than I know that scum!Zander is capable of. I have been blindsided SO MANY TIMES lately, and I will not stand by and watch you do the same to this village!

 

 

 

 

If youre Town Sooh Im gonna be very disappointed.

 

Like seriously

 

Reread me FFS!!!!!

 

If youre Scum ofc I wont expect you to.

 

Pot meet kettle, huh? At least if you're town you'll know how it is to be me in ~every game ever.

 

I'm reading you though, and I still think you're scum. 

 

 

So you basically in part just wanna lynch because Ive been wrong on you before???

 

Like what about all my comments about trains and stuff.

 

My Calder ISO???

 

Please let me know

 

No. That's not what I said and you know it. Now we can talk about shade.

 

I don't know about trains and stuff. Perhaps your team has decided to throw you under the bus because it's like the least likely thing they could do? I don't know. Perhaps your team are not around? So many reasons why there is just one train at the end of D1.

 

Your Calder ISO just shows that Calder has picked up on you all game, and yes, he's tunneling you. Could it be scummy what he's doing? Sure, but I agree with his points in suspecting you, so it's a bit hard to see that he's scum at the moment. If you somehow flip town I'll be sure to examine Calder closely. Most likely I'll be putting him on a pedistal for the rest of the game though. That's how I see it.

 

 

Also how many Mafia games have you played?

 

You have no idea or thoughts about D1 trains at all???

 

Like not even in general?

 

I find that hard to believe considering youve played more maf then me, are smarter then me and can Ask a Pizza Guy unlimited mafia related questions.

 

What do you think of all his associtive reads based off my Scum flip like you and Besie but wants to lynch Nolder tomorrow?

 

Why then would Town!Calder just ignore most all my posts and questions and not try to build his case anymore nor appear to be reevaluating it.

 

 

 

Z that last line looks like a guilt trip

 

 

In fact, that whole post looks like a guilt trip

 

 

 

In fact, that whole post looks like a guilt trip

AtE if ever there was any.

 

 

Really Monstr you are gonna call me out for guilt trips/AtE type stuff?!?!!?!?

 

Maybe its just general frustration at the fact people have just called me Scum since D1 and havent really bothered to re evalute,

 

Its super frustrating because I know Im Town.

 

Ive said stuff this game i feel should have been noted but yet like no one wants to ISO me and stuff.

 

Most people arent responding to what IM saying and a fair bit of it is common sense

 

Just because he sometimes has AtE himself doesn't mean he can't recognize it in others. 

 

 

Have you EVER seen me really use AtE as SCum???

 

Have you seen me do it as Town.

 

I think is Shads Bolescvick game were Town!Derf and Town!Lainey come in give like 0 real reason for scum reading me, refuse to do anything and peace out.

 

Read my ISO there and tell me what you think.

 

 

Zander say all your reads are wrong

 

Who is the deep wolf?

 

 

I mean I guess not ALL but

 

You get what I mean. Say calder is a villager and you have at most 1 scum in your PoE

 

Who is the deep wolf and why

 

I dont think im wrong on Calder.

 

If not there is ALWAYS at least 1 Scum on my train already

 

Darthe

Tink

Sooh

 

Darthe has pulled this kinda BS as Town!Darthe before but since its so easy to play his style its not hard to fake imo.  i also know darthes salty towards me and strikes me as the type of player to carry that over regardless of alignment.  hence my quote of his vote on me and my explanation.

Tink- I head as Town then he all of a sudden piles on for no reason, I dont even recall him sussing me up until that point tho I could be wrong.

Sooh- Like Darthe has as Town!Sooh completely read me wrong for #raisins as I have with her,  She said she was gonna ISO me so I gotta see what she comes back with.

 

So def from in there, obv there not all Wolves but theres at least one there.

 

Id like to get a full reread in to see.  But since Ive seen both Darthe and Sooh do this as Town and youre removing Calder from my PoE.  TInks vote looks bad.

 

Its D1, and I dont feel like anybody is really at the deepwolf level atp

 

There's like no being universally Town reads with maybe the exception of you.

 

I dont feel like youre a Wolf atp.

 

 

Monstr havent seen you comment on this..

 

Thoughts?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

drivebyshadeattempdenied.gif

 

Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

 

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

 

 

 

 

Literally tho as far as I can tell only thing youre referencing here is Believers reads list so I dont know why you worded it that way at all.

 

Do you have other examples you can show me?

I was talking about how you went after Besie for saying she now likes to play as town much more than she used to, and how that is OMGSOSCUMMY. 

 

I guess the other thing was about her misremembering, but that's a separate discussion.

 

 

No you straight up said I was ignoring things.  Other then Believers read list which I commented taking with a grain of salt youve yet to show 1 EXAMPLE of me ignoring things.

 

Funny thing is tho:

 

I listened and reevaluated Besie when she explained out the Meta thing.  Something Id like to add is that you were sussing her early as well but only have an issue with me doing it?

 

Also I listened to and reevaluated Believer after his play different roles differently.

 

So what am I ignoring Sooh?

 

At least I unlike others have been working on progessing and reevaluating my reads.

 

This is all stuff that Scum!Zander normally does Sooh??

 

Seriously if youre Town give your head a shake please and reread me.

 

You are literally not listening, are you. 

 

I'm saying that when people EXPLAIN THINGS to you, you have to hear it SEVERAL TIMES before you STOP IGNORING it and RETHINK your position.

 

I am reading you, and I see town blips here and there, but no more than I know that scum!Zander is capable of. I have been blindsided SO MANY TIMES lately, and I will not stand by and watch you do the same to this village!

 

 

 

 

So youve seen Towny blips from me but still think Im not out of my SCum range...fair enough.

 

But because people have fooled you before you are just gonna lynch me even tho youve seen glimpses of My Town game??!?!?!

 

Oh boy. You're really insisting on misunderstanding or misinterpreting everything I say today, aren't you?

 

 

wtf did i misrep sooh?

 

Did you say you saw Townt blips but still thought I was Scum.

 

Did you not say the higlighted red in the quote.

 

You keep saying shit like this and its completely false.

 

Did I say misrep?

 

Did I?

 

Or did I say misUNDERSTAND and misINTERPRET?

 

To me, misREP implies intent. 

 

I did say your overexaggerated bold/red in the post, yes. Does that mean "I am lynching you because I have been fooled by others in other games"? No. It doesn't. It means that I'm not willing to let you off the hook the way I let others do in other games just because it's more comfortable to town read them since I don't have to deal with this kind of stuff. As a townie, that's lazy, and I'm not going to do it anymore.

 

 

then finish your ISO on me and let me know what you come back with please.

[Pralaya]

Pral- Interactions with Besie are interesting imo.  The whole he didnt play with her before could be a legit didnt remember but the fact he said he was ISOing her Town game early and stuff is a little weird.  Now his activity level and thread awareness seem pretty good after reading his reads list.  I may not agree with them but not a bad look

 

 

What don't you agree with my reads? Looking at your readlist, pretty the only point of contention between your reads and mine is Dice. Do you think you see town Dice going hard after a simple mistake by tinker? Forget about the tone, but looking at his pushes, do you seem that seems to be coming from him?

 

Regarding Besie, the post you are referring to was quite early in the game when Besie had three votes on her and possibly the only thing of importance at the time. Nothing more than that.

[Pralaya]

Anyway, about your train, I see it mostly clean except Calder. It most likely stemmed from your initial disinterest in your game but I don't hate your latest post and read list. 

[Pralaya]

[v]Calder[/v]

[Zander?]

 

Pral- Interactions with Besie are interesting imo.  The whole he didnt play with her before could be a legit didnt remember but the fact he said he was ISOing her Town game early and stuff is a little weird.  Now his activity level and thread awareness seem pretty good after reading his reads list.  I may not agree with them but not a bad look

 

 

What don't you agree with my reads? Looking at your readlist, pretty the only point of contention between your reads and mine is Dice. Do you think you see town Dice going hard after a simple mistake by tinker? Forget about the tone, but looking at his pushes, do you seem that seems to be coming from him?

 

Regarding Besie, the post you are referring to was quite early in the game when Besie had three votes on her and possibly the only thing of importance at the time. Nothing more than that.

 

 

I can see Town Dice jumping on that.

 

Ill have to compare both I agreed with some iirc but there were a few we had a bit different.

 

What Im referring to with Besie was your ive never played with her before (when you had) but decided to ISO her Town game then you both proceed to Town read each other irrc.

[Zander?]

Anyway, about your train, I see it mostly clean except Calder. It most likely stemmed from your initial disinterest in your game but I don't hate your latest post and read list. 

 

It wasnt even disinterest it was that i was so involved with the other game for DL.

[monstrman]

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

 

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

Legit AF

 

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

drivebyshadeattempdenied.gif

 

Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

 

 

 

 

Literally tho as far as I can tell only thing youre referencing here is Believers reads list so I dont know why you worded it that way at all.

 

Do you have other examples you can show me?

I was talking about how you went after Besie for saying she now likes to play as town much more than she used to, and how that is OMGSOSCUMMY. 

 

I guess the other thing was about her misremembering, but that's a separate discussion.

 

No you straight up said I was ignoring things.  Other then Believers read list which I commented taking with a grain of salt youve yet to show 1 EXAMPLE of me ignoring things.

 

Funny thing is tho:

 

I listened and reevaluated Besie when she explained out the Meta thing.  Something Id like to add is that you were sussing her early as well but only have an issue with me doing it?

 

Also I listened to and reevaluated Believer after his play different roles differently.

 

So what am I ignoring Sooh?

 

At least I unlike others have been working on progessing and reevaluating my reads.

 

This is all stuff that Scum!Zander normally does Sooh??

 

Seriously if youre Town give your head a shake please and reread me.

You are literally not listening, are you. 

 

I'm saying that when people EXPLAIN THINGS to you, you have to hear it SEVERAL TIMES before you STOP IGNORING it and RETHINK your position.

 

I am reading you, and I see town blips here and there, but no more than I know that scum!Zander is capable of. I have been blindsided SO MANY TIMES lately, and I will not stand by and watch you do the same to this village!

 

 

 

If youre Town Sooh Im gonna be very disappointed.

 

Like seriously

 

Reread me FFS!!!!!

 

If youre Scum ofc I wont expect you to.

Pot meet kettle, huh? At least if you're town you'll know how it is to be me in ~every game ever.

 

I'm reading you though, and I still think you're scum.

 

So you basically in part just wanna lynch because Ive been wrong on you before???

 

Like what about all my comments about trains and stuff.

 

My Calder ISO???

 

Please let me know

No. That's not what I said and you know it. Now we can talk about shade.

 

I don't know about trains and stuff. Perhaps your team has decided to throw you under the bus because it's like the least likely thing they could do? I don't know. Perhaps your team are not around? So many reasons why there is just one train at the end of D1.

 

Your Calder ISO just shows that Calder has picked up on you all game, and yes, he's tunneling you. Could it be scummy what he's doing? Sure, but I agree with his points in suspecting you, so it's a bit hard to see that he's scum at the moment. If you somehow flip town I'll be sure to examine Calder closely. Most likely I'll be putting him on a pedistal for the rest of the game though. That's how I see it.

 

Also how many Mafia games have you played?

 

You have no idea or thoughts about D1 trains at all???

 

Like not even in general?

 

I find that hard to believe considering youve played more maf then me, are smarter then me and can Ask a Pizza Guy unlimited mafia related questions.

 

What do you think of all his associtive reads based off my Scum flip like you and Besie but wants to lynch Nolder tomorrow?

 

Why then would Town!Calder just ignore most all my posts and questions and not try to build his case anymore nor appear to be reevaluating it.

 

 

 

 

Z that last line looks like a guilt trip

 

 

 

In fact, that whole post looks like a guilt trip

 

 

 

 

In fact, that whole post looks like a guilt trip

AtE if ever there was any.

 

Really Monstr you are gonna call me out for guilt trips/AtE type stuff?!?!!?!?

 

Maybe its just general frustration at the fact people have just called me Scum since D1 and havent really bothered to re evalute,

 

Its super frustrating because I know Im Town.

 

Ive said stuff this game i feel should have been noted but yet like no one wants to ISO me and stuff.

 

Most people arent responding to what IM saying and a fair bit of it is common sense

Just because he sometimes has AtE himself doesn't mean he can't recognize it in others.

 

Have you EVER seen me really use AtE as SCum???

 

Have you seen me do it as Town.

 

I think is Shads Bolescvick game were Town!Derf and Town!Lainey come in give like 0 real reason for scum reading me, refuse to do anything and peace out.

 

Read my ISO there and tell me what you think.

 

 

 

Zander say all your reads are wrong

Who is the deep wolf?

 

 

 

I mean I guess not ALL but

You get what I mean. Say calder is a villager and you have at most 1 scum in your PoE

Who is the deep wolf and why

 

TOO BIG

 

Monstr havent seen you comment on this..

 

Thoughts?

 

I think that your perspective makes sense to come from a townie I'm just struggling to find the wolf that would be on your wagon.

 

I DON'T think that the AtE post is necessarily indicative and I DO think that I have seen glimpses of your town game

 

The post that really got me to think you might be a townie though was your "I just wouldn't gaf as scum"