[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[Calder]

What did you guys do to the page. It is unreadable.

[monstrman]

Player List:

 

1. Zander2. Darthe3. Dice4. Monstr5. Hellian6. Kat/Pral7. Besie8. Nego9. Sooh10. Believer11. Tiinklove12. Calder

13. Nolder

Hellian has no posts?

[Calder]

I have seen 0 posts from Hellian and -2 Quality posts from Nolder.

[Zander?]

 

Ok I dont know if im just nitpicking and I know these were a ways back but Pral played in Diablo with Besie and he Modded World's End.

 

But this certainly pinged me.

Yes, I did mention that I modded the game with her. I don't exactly read the game I mod, just count the votes :)

 

I haven't played with Besie before. Just modded a game she was in. Looks like she was wolf in all except one. Does she AtE like this in her wolf games?

As to Diablo, I don't remember this game at all. Let me check.

 

 

 

Oh yeah, that game happened when I was stuck in the crazy floods here. No wonder I don't remember it much.

 

Im not even saying for sure it was a slip or Wolfy for sure or anything.

 

But when I notice something is incorrect like that I take note of it.

[Calder]

Zander your posts to me come off very irritated, which is not an emotion I associate at all with your town game when questioned.

[Calder]

Zander your posts to me come off very irritated, which is not an emotion I associate at all with your town game when questioned.

[Sooh]

Thanks monstrman.

 

I have Sooh’s (v/w – p25 #483) – would you please go into detail? You said you didn’t have time then.

 

I might have missed some.

 

Still reading from p25

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

I feel like I've explained this a couple of times since then. Going to assume you've found some of it by now. 

 

 

 

 

Tink seems fine, just comes across as a generally kinda wolfy dude.

 

Sooh, how are you developing your thoughts?

I read the thread?

 

If you're referring to my vote on Tiinker I just read his latest progression. It doesn't look great. Could be like you say that he's just a wolfy looking townie, and I know I have been part of lynches of him in the past where he has been, but consider it a push to come in and make some reads with basis in the thread.

 

 

Then why not explain it at the time of the vote?

 

Its kinda like what you did to me earlier that i called a drive by shading.

 

Its a bit sketchy imo.

 

I felt like it was clear from the thread at that point. Don't know why you're expecting to be explained everything with a tea spoon tbh. 

 

As for "shading", I think you're assuming that people can't think for themselves and make up their own minds. You're asking me to explain how I'm developing my reads, well, that "shading" was a part of developing a read. I'm explaining what I see in the thread and how I interpret things, and dismissing it as "shading" doesn't sit well with me either tbh. 

 

My flyby "shading" of you was during my lunch at work. I had exactly enough time to come in, read up and drop my thoughts and ideas in the thread. Then I had to go outside and watch kidlets being obnoxious. 

 

I know you've heard about pressure votes before, so I don't get why you're reading this as "shading" at all actually. Considering what happened later (which may have had absolutely nothing to do with my vote, I know) I don't regret voting Tiinker at all. 

[monstrman]

Zander I need you to somehow confirm or condemn yourself to me in one post

 

So can you please do me a huge favor and just make one list of your current reads of the thread on everyone all at once?

 

Ily bro I don't want to lynch you if you're not a wolf

[Zander?]

 

 

I think the Zander:Belieber argument is either v/v or v/w OR w/v but can't tell which. Believer handled himself really well in it so I'm inclined to believe he is town atm and definitely would not lynch him today based on that convo.

 

We'll see how things develop though.

 

So TLDR not w/w got it.

 

So youre thinking believer is Town possibly.

 

Whats your read on me?

 

Quick question to those who know Besie:

 

Does she do huge read posts like that as scum?

 

Because I know I do. But I want to believe she is town and not only for that post.

 

I believe so but not 100% Im going to ISO here for myself.

 

You should to if you get the chance and let me know what you come back with.

 

 

 

 

My read on you is inadequate because I'm unable to read your lololololol posts as alignment indicative. I think outside of them you make some good observations but I'm not confident enough to call you town yet.

 

The problem I have with this game is that even though I've played with some of you before, it's only been once or twice and a very long time ago so I don't have your meta. For an example, I'm unable to follow the case on Tiink because it's based on meta and I have no idea how accurate it is. Nothing game-related really makes me think that he's scum.

 

The only one I think I could read at least semi-confidently is Sooh and even that is if I saw her as town. I played a game with her some time ago where the two of us + Shad formed a pretty strong town core. None of us suspected each other at all, nor had any reason to doubt each other. I don't know why but I'm not seeing the same Sooh here, at least not yet, but I have no reason to think she's scum either.

 

Which is worrying.

 

 

Fair enough irt me and I will admit I felt Sooh was pretty Towny out of the gate.  But shes popped in and threw some share at me and did the same with that pop in vote on Tink.

 

What makes it more worrying for me is I KNOW Im Town and atp i got a slight villa lean on Tink.

 

That by itself is no way condemning because I know people can be wrong like me being wrong on Tink or Town!Sooh being wrong on me and if Tink is actually Town, both of us,

 

Im not convinced Sooh is Scum yet but shes on my radar.

 

It's Friday, Friday

Gotta lynch Zander on Friday

Everybody's looking forward to the weekend, weekend

Friday, Friday

Gotta lynch Zander on Friday

Everybody's lookin forward to a scum free weekend

 

 

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K

Wolves trying to push Town!Zander while he's away

And Zander is baffled by this humorous play

Because the Scum team is about to rue this day

When they get a VILLAGERY AF DOSE OF #FULLZANDER baby

 

[Darthe]

Zander def a wolf here. Theres no tunnel, and no fire.

 

Does anyone think theres a chance in hell that he quotes my post where I vote him without any stated reason and he says its not wolfy??

[Darthe]

 

 

apparently talking to a bunch of walls

 

dunno why zander hasn't been here all day

It's a bit weird, yeah. I feel like he had some odd, almost opportunistic posts yesterday, jumping at Besie and then Believer for little things that to me seemed insignificant.

You mean opportunistic posts like say shading someone and running away for dropping vote with no raisins?

 

[V] zander [/v]

 

So vote him.

I 100% believe this post and vote alone is 100% not alignment indicative for Darthe

Look at that

[Tiinker]

 

 

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

 

 

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

 

 

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up. 

 

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

 

 

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted. 

 

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

 

5. Hellian

 

 

6. Kat/Pral

 

 

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

 

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”. 

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed. 

 

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

 

 

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

 

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

 

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

 

 

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

 

13. Nolder

 

 

I may not agree with all the reads here atp.

 

I also dont like the fact he did this after being pushed for being inactive type stuff tho.  Both alignments do it tho Wolves will do it more likely more often then not.

 

If I removed the latter Id likely call this a pretty villagery post.

 

With all that said I still wanna lean slight Villa on him.

 

 

Bruh, everyone was on my ass for not doing it and I said I'd do it. Seriously what on earth. Same issue with Dice for wanting to lynch me because I acknowledged I was wrong. Just looking to peg as scum for anything. 

[Tiinker]

Zander your posts to me come off very irritated, which is not an emotion I associate at all with your town game when questioned.

 

 

Zander def a wolf here. Theres no tunnel, and no fire.

 

Does anyone think theres a chance in hell that he quotes my post where I vote him without any stated reason and he says its not wolfy??

 

Yeeeee

[Darthe]

Reminding yall of these two posts.

 

 

There are Wolves trying to push and exploit me splitting time between 2 games but if they think Im going down without a fight, they are sadly sadly mistaken.

Wolf post

[monstrman]

Good old monstrman appreciates effort and work and delivering on what you promise

 

:)

[Darthe]

 

Then we can talk real time and if youre actually a Villager which I think you may slighty be atp, that you'll see whats what.

We can lynch zander. We can lynch him now.

[Tiinker]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

I'm bouncing for the night.

[Calder]

 

 

 

apparently talking to a bunch of walls

 

dunno why zander hasn't been here all day

It's a bit weird, yeah. I feel like he had some odd, almost opportunistic posts yesterday, jumping at Besie and then Believer for little things that to me seemed insignificant.

You mean opportunistic posts like say shading someone and running away for dropping vote with no raisins?

 

[V] zander [/v]

 

So vote him.

I 100% believe this post and vote alone is 100% not alignment indicative for Darthe

Look at that

When he flips scum, some people are gonna look real bad for leaving this lynch at 4 for so long. Turning a blind eye at this point.

[Darthe]

I have seen 0 posts from Hellian and -2 Quality posts from Nolder.

Nol is in a bad place, lighten up on him a bit. He needs it.

[Calder]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

I'm bouncing for the night.

I am enjoying seeing person after person that I have town reads on join this lynch.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

fine

 

vote believer

[v]dicetosser1[/v]

Is this something Believer does all the time or should I vote for him now?

its kinda a running argument at this point. I had a go at him for it last game. First game he was SUPER active every day. was an IC.

 

last game he wasnt.

 

this game not only is he not hes sitting there saying "im not active d1 i dont like d1" etc if ure here instead of whinging get in and work. im sick to death of people signing up for games and not posting d1 or for like 5 rl days so im getting frustrated about it but the whinging just does it for me. if you can whinge you can play. thats what you signed up for so just do it!

 

im also wary that at some point hes gonna use this i donnt like D1 crud and its gonna bite town.

Now I'm certain that you don't read my posts.

 

Every single point you take up here I have answered before you made them. I can do it again though, for your convenience.

 

Concern: "You signed up for the game, now play to the level of my satisfaction"

Answer: No. I play the game as I see fit. It depends almost entirely on the role that I am given to see how I play. In that regard I'm a very easy read.

 

Concern: "You don't play the exact same way you did in the previous two games"

Answer: Well spotted, I don't. In Disney my role demanded that I was extremely active and at times intentionally scummy, at times lock town read. In Taron Gaidon I had to be town read D1 and scum read D2 without dying. I played to the role I was given, just like I'm doing every game.

 

Concern: "You don't do my work for me"

Answer: Tough luck, I'm not gonna.

 

Concern: "If we accept that you post less on D1 then at some point you're gonna be scum so that gives you a free pass which I won't give you"

Answer 1: Fair concern. I've answered this in Taron Gaidon however. I find intentional lurking by scum to be despicable and therefore I wouldn't do it. Trust me or not, that's the reason.

Answer 2: If you policy lynch me on D1 every game then you will sacrifice a townie the majority of the time, in my specific case all the time. This is poor play and you shouldn't do it.

oh i saw them but its my job to lay out my thoughts.

 

i didnt ask you to do MY work i just asked you to work.

 

and the "id never do that " argument means absolutely nothing as has been proved time and again.

 

You wanna be town read? they play the damned game EVERY day and earn it. Show us ure town. So far in 3 games im yet to see anything other then ure PR claims to have ever town read you off. So ure either an extremely scummy town player or ure doing something wrong

This is town dice to a T

[Calder]

 

I have seen 0 posts from Hellian and -2 Quality posts from Nolder.

Nol is in a bad place, lighten up on him a bit. He needs it.

Alright. No need to push it anymore today. I am casting my vote there tomorrow though.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

apparently talking to a bunch of walls

 

dunno why zander hasn't been here all day

It's a bit weird, yeah. I feel like he had some odd, almost opportunistic posts yesterday, jumping at Besie and then Believer for little things that to me seemed insignificant.

You mean opportunistic posts like say shading someone and running away for dropping vote with no raisins?

 

[V] zander [/v]

 

So vote him.

I 100% believe this post and vote alone is 100% not alignment indicative for Darthe

Look at that

When he flips scum, some people are gonna look real bad for leaving this lynch at 4 for so long. Turning a blind eye at this point.

This is the sort of post I come bacj post town flip and point out was a great pushing attempt on a scummy townie, btw. Dont worry though, we arent wrong so youre prob gonna get town credit for it when he does flip w

[Darthe]

 

 

I have seen 0 posts from Hellian and -2 Quality posts from Nolder.

Nol is in a bad place, lighten up on him a bit. He needs it.

Alright. No need to push it anymore today. I am casting my vote there tomorrow though.

I just wanted someone to quote me saying that about him. Gj, wp, +1 townie point

[Calder]

 

 

 

 

 

apparently talking to a bunch of walls

 

dunno why zander hasn't been here all day

It's a bit weird, yeah. I feel like he had some odd, almost opportunistic posts yesterday, jumping at Besie and then Believer for little things that to me seemed insignificant.

You mean opportunistic posts like say shading someone and running away for dropping vote with no raisins?

 

[V] zander [/v]

 

So vote him.

I 100% believe this post and vote alone is 100% not alignment indicative for Darthe

Look at that

When he flips scum, some people are gonna look real bad for leaving this lynch at 4 for so long. Turning a blind eye at this point.

This is the sort of post I come bacj post town flip and point out was a great pushing attempt on a scummy townie, btw. Dont worry though, we arent wrong so youre prob gonna get town credit for it when he does flip w

Haha. Fair enough. Although I pretty much always invite suspicion. So cant say I wouldnt enjoy this coming back on me. It won't bc he is a wolf, but that does sadden me. Playing with Zander is always fun.