Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Hallia]

FREAKING FINALLY

 

That was the longest update of my life.

[Hallia]

If Kat is town then Darthe is definitely scum using her as a convenient mislynch. If she is scum I'm willing to bet he is towb. I suppose he could still be bussing a partner as some sort of gambit. But with two of them dead already I just can't see that happening. I'd probably back off of him if she is scum.

If Darthe is scum Wifi doesn't look so good. She's brought up the one time she scummed with him a lot. If he's town I'm not at all sure what that means.

 

I really l like this post of Marsh's.  Very townie.

 

 

 

 

What did you mean when you said your role was only activated in TAR but you could self clear?
***********How does that fit with you then going to the Stedding?/not actively choosing to go to TAR - especially if you wanted to draw out wolf actions?**********

Stedding means I cant use my ability. Nk would be a clear, peek would clear, you know either wont be wasted. Its good incentive to use an ability.
Commute can be confirmed by either clAimed investigative pr. Its not a pure clear that way but in a long line of me being open and forward with town its a hell of a lot more effort than yall deserve from me.

What exactly is your ability?

Explain to me how your role works pls

And then explain to me how a role that drags players to TAR in a game where players get to choose their night actions and what we've seen of Scum means they are severely restricted to TAR doesn't fit.

 

Yeah.

 

I don't think I'd mind a Derf lynch.

[Zander?]

I saw some stuff on that - did he say he purposefully went somewhere he couldn't use it?

 

Yes iirc.

 

 

I would still be ok with lynching him.

 

I mean a Scum!Darthe flip should clear you based on his claimed role imo.

 

Even tho iirc he can only use it on himself, you add that on top of Believers basically IC/BPV role, and Dice's poss of giving a BPV to a Townie PLUS his x1 Mafia Kill and ability block.

 

If he flips Town Commuter like he claims well then there will be questions raised but not worried about that bridge to we cross it.

 

I really just believe youre my Town!HalliaGOATDOC!!!!!

 

<3 <3 <3

[Zander?]

Would love to see some more Pral ITT!!!!!!!

[Hallia]

I am; I'm just tired.

 

I would as well; he was pretty quiet N1 in the TAR

[Hallia]

Wait, so Darthe can drag people?  Is that right?

 

Did he claim pulling Kat in?  Because she said she chose Stedding.

 

[unvote]

[Cass]

 

But I'm going to stop commenting and let y'all do your thing for a while. Don't want to be a distraction.

 

 

Shad do you buy Hallia's claim?

 

Anyone's claim youre not buying?

 

Whats your current reads list look like?

 

If were wrong on Kat and or Darthe where next?

  

 

I want input into:

 

How likely is it that there's a Doc?

 

How likely is it that there's a Cop?

 

Fine, let's just do Kat/Darthe. I do t care which order.

[v] Kat [/v]

 

I also know why I'm left alive. I have great equity "oh, Hallia alive still? Better mislynch"

It happens with me all the time.

  

I would still be ok with lynching him.

Halli, can you ISO my last few posts and tell me what you think?

 

Here I think the role that commuted Kat (if it exists) could be used against a Doc.

 

I think Darthe may be that role.

 

If he is, and we lynch Kat first, the Doc's in danger.

[Hallia]

[v] Darthe [/v]

[Hallia]

I am just not sure irt Tiink - I want to believe I saved him N1, but one never can be sure.

[Zander?]

Wait, so Darthe can drag people?  Is that right?

 

Did he claim pulling Kat in?  Because she said she chose Stedding.

 

[unvote]

 

No i dont think he claimed that.

 

He claimed he could only commute himself iirc.

[Shad_]

Shad do you buy Hallia's claim?

 

Anyone's claim youre not buying?

 

Whats your current reads list look like?

 

If were wrong on Kat and or Darthe where next?

My reads list at the moment is: I want to see a flip on Kat or Darthe.

 

I feel I've exhausted my capacity to progress on the information available to me unless it is proven that the most probable scenario in my mind is wrong.

 

Wolves have fake role claims, and I'm not that interested in analyzing which I think BFG would be more or less likely to include as real roles.  The wolves will claim things that are not improbable imo, especially considering they've got four to choose from with Hellian and JS going down without claiming.

 

I appreciate you two continuing to dive in.  Good work and keep it up.  I'm at a wall until I see a flip.

[Zander?]

[v] Darthe [/v]

 

seems legit imo

[Shad_]

I saw some stuff on that - did he say he purposefully went somewhere he couldn't use it?

 

His explanation in QT was that he didn't pick again to see if it always defaulted to Tel or if it could send him to the Stedding.

[Cass]

Wait, so Darthe can drag people?  Is that right?

 

Did he claim pulling Kat in?  Because she said she chose Stedding.

 

[unvote]

No.

 

I'm thinking that's a possibility and that it fits with his play.

 

The last answers he gave wrt that were that his ability means he only commutes himself and that he can only use the ability in TAR.

 

This, coupled with the fact that he was:

- in the Stedding last night

 

reportedly for failure to submit preference and because he wanted to draw the NK.

[Hallia]

Yeah, ok. I don't buy that.

[Zander?]

Shad I need you to answer these 2 questions before DL!!!!

 

It will help me not tinfoil on you later!!!!

 

Yes/No please!!!!!

 

Do you buy Hallia's Doc claim???

 

Do you buy Darthe's  Commuter claim???

[Shad_]

PLUS his x1 Mafia Kill and ability block.

Just to clarify, it was not some sort of 'only effective on Mafia' ability. It was a straight 1x vig. I would assume that it's meant to be holstered for a scenario where day would start with 6 players, to allow him to shoot whoever to bring it to 5 and achieve wincon.

[Shad_]

Shad I need you to answer these 2 questions before DL!!!!

 

It will help me not tinfoil on you later!!!!

 

Yes/No please!!!!!

 

Do you buy Hallia's Doc claim???

 

Do you buy Darthe's  Commuter claim???

 

I think Darthe looks worse than Hallia.  I don't know which roles BFG would give to scum as safe claims vs give to town as real claims.  That's what makes them safe claims.

[Zander?]

 

PLUS his x1 Mafia Kill and ability block.

Just to clarify, it was not some sort of 'only effective on Mafia' ability. It was a straight 1x vig. I would assume that it's meant to be holstered for a scenario where day would start with 6 players, to allow him to shoot whoever to bring it to 5 and achieve wincon.

 

 

No he had an x1 ability that blocked scum from killing him.

[Zander?]

 

Shad I need you to answer these 2 questions before DL!!!!

 

It will help me not tinfoil on you later!!!!

 

Yes/No please!!!!!

 

Do you buy Hallia's Doc claim???

 

Do you buy Darthe's  Commuter claim???

 

I think Darthe looks worse than Hallia.  I don't know which roles BFG would give to scum as safe claims vs give to town as real claims.  That's what makes them safe claims.

 

 

Doc n Cop I would consider pretty well non touchable claims imo.

[Zander?]

 

Welcome Shaisam simple pedlar come darkfriend, come zombie, come manipulated and slayer of fades, come crazy dude... you basically want everyone dead

 

You are independent and win if you survive to F5

 

During each day you must choose between spending the night in the stedding or Tel'Aran'Rhiod

 

Each of your abilities are one shot and can be used in either the stedding or Tel'Aran'Rhiod

 

Peddlar you may gift a 1xBPV or 1xvig, each have a 25% success rate (the gift will succeed, bit the item may fail)

 

Dark One's Hound you are immune to all mafia night actions (including kill)

 

Ordeith you are lynch immune the following day

 

Mordeith you have a 1xvig you can use

 

 

 

 

 

PLUS his x1 Mafia Kill and ability block.

Just to clarify, it was not some sort of 'only effective on Mafia' ability. It was a straight 1x vig. I would assume that it's meant to be holstered for a scenario where day would start with 6 players, to allow him to shoot whoever to bring it to 5 and achieve wincon.

 

 

No he had an x1 ability that blocked scum from killing him.

 

[Shad_]

Wait, so Darthe can drag people?  Is that right?

 

Did he claim pulling Kat in?  Because she said she chose Stedding.

 

[unvote]

 

  Where did you get this?  Darthe claimed limited use commute and claimed he can only use it on himself in Tel.

 

If he'd claimed he could move people and did so to Kat I would be even more eager to lynch both of them, because it's just the sort of "if one of us flips the other is false cleared" scenarios he loves to set up.

[Shad_]

 

 

PLUS his x1 Mafia Kill and ability block.

Just to clarify, it was not some sort of 'only effective on Mafia' ability. It was a straight 1x vig. I would assume that it's meant to be holstered for a scenario where day would start with 6 players, to allow him to shoot whoever to bring it to 5 and achieve wincon.

 

 

No he had an x1 ability that blocked scum from killing him.

 

 

I'd misread what you said as 1x Mafia Kill and 1x ability block.  Gotcha.

[Cass]

I need to clarify something

 

I initially read Darthe's answer about going to the stedding and wanting to eat the NK with the two events related.

 

Rereading,

 

I can't commute others Cass, just me.  If I could commute others I would have hard CC'd Hally.

 

I was in stedding because I again didn't submit.  I wanted to get the NK since it was + ev at the time.  Now, I've made sure to submit TEL

Interesting. Why would you have drawn a NK when you were one of the top trains for a lynch the day before?

The events are separate but imo still off.

 

He could have gone to TAR n2 and used his ability and I don't see how it's logical to think he'd draw the nk given where he was at ITT D2.

 

@Darthe - please explain how your role works and the motivation behind going to TAR tonight and night 1 but not N2.

[Shad_]

Here I think the role that commuted Kat (if it exists) could be used against a Doc.

 

I think Darthe may be that role.

 

If he is, and we lynch Kat first, the Doc's in danger.

I don't honestly understand how Darthe's role claim is any more indicative of being able to move players from one QT to the next than had dropped vanilla bloody town.

 

I'm not defending Darthe here from a gameplay perspective but is your thought that scum!him decided to make up his own fake instead of using one of the four provided to his team?