Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Cass]

A - because she can be easily shaded/rendered ineffective

 

Q2 Why are Consensus Town ALL still alive?

Because it makes it easier to doubt the claimed Doc and also leaves things open to start yammering about how we should already doubt consensus Towns.

 

It's D3, and we already got 2 wolves. There's no need for pessimism or tinfoil yet except as demotivation from Scum.

[Shad_]

What exactly is your ability?

 

Explain to me how your role works pls

 

And then explain to me how a role that drags players to TAR in a game where players get to choose their night actions and what we've seen of Scum means they are severely restricted to TAR doesn't fit.

I'm not going to answer for Darthe, but I legit don't get what you've been getting at with this lately.

[Shad_]

 

Like, it would be objectively stupid for Darthe to twist a real relocation role into a commuter fake claim when, if a wolf, he has a list of roles available to him that do not risk being immediately countered by a villager.

Why isn't Hallia dead?

 

Is this a serious question?

[Shad_]

None of these questions mean much to me.

 

Loud consensus villagers aren't getting night killed because they are wrong or there is a deep wolf or wolves want us to think that they are wrong or that there is a deep wolf.

 

Or because wolves are more focused on PR hunting and thought Nolder and Dice might be loaded.

 

Or because wolves want guaranteed corpses and are limiting the probability of protection.

 

Halli is alive because wolves haven't chosen to risk a shot on her yet or because she is a wolf.

 

I just want to lynch the scummy people.

[Cass]

 

 

If Kat is town then Darthe is definitely scum using her as a convenient mislynch. If she is scum I'm willing to bet he is towb. I suppose he could still be bussing a partner as some sort of gambit. But with two of them dead already I just can't see that happening. I'd probably back off of him if she is scum.

If Darthe is scum Wifi doesn't look so good. She's brought up the one time she scummed with him a lot. If he's town I'm not at all sure what that means.

 

 

So kinda Darthe/Wifi/Kat??

 

Who is your deepwolf choice and why/

If there is a deep wolf I'm going with Tiinker probably. I know this may sound kind of dumb, but Tiink was the first to town read me, when I hadn't really done anything yet to deserve it. That whispered pocketing, but not loud enough for me to pay any attention to it. And then the Hellian train and JS and Believer kind of drove it out of my mind.

I don't hate Tiink for scum.

 

Still piecing it together but the bones are it's also interesting that Tiink COULD HAVE confirmed Halleh's claim on N1 but didn't. Excused himself to Shad with a 'my bad' 'maybe I can fix that tonight'... aaand IIRC he favours a WiFi/Kat lynch and is hedging on Darthe.

 

D1 he switches from Snow to Believer

N1 fails to track Halli

D2 he votes Darthe

N2 him and Darthe start sowing 'be wary of consensus Town, we're being duped!'

D3 the questioning of strong Town continues

and he hedges on Darthe, pushes at Wifi and Kat

 

I'm not solid on this (Tiink) and Zander still has a thing for Kat afaict but I've posted my Tiink thoughts and he's yet to respond

 

TLDR I feel like last scum are in Darthe/Tiink/Kat/Wifi

[Cass]

None of these questions mean much to me.Loud consensus villagers aren't getting night killed because they are wrong or there is a deep wolf or wolves want us to think that they are wrong or that there is a deep wolf.Or because wolves are more focused on PR hunting and thought Nolder and Dice might be loaded.Or because wolves want guaranteed corpses and are limiting the probability of protection.Halli is alive because wolves haven't chosen to risk a shot on her yet or because she is a wolf.I just want to lynch the scummy people.

Ok.

 

So back to the beginning

 

Kat/Darthe?

[Zander?]

Zass, who was voting Shad, is now voting a newer player along with Shad (I don't know why - presumably have to do with Hellian voting Zass).

 

Not sure of the John Snow train. I do think Ironeyes is town - some of his earlier replies sounded genuine. I can't comment much on this train - could very well be mostly townies. But possibility of a scum here. 

 

Nolder suspecting Shad right from the beginning, also think you are town. I can see where you are coming from. 

 

(I need to figure out why people are voting John Snow). 

 

Questioning the John Snow suss.

 

 

Nope, I didn't, and methinks he's fishing

 

Vote: John Snow

 

 

*shrug* claiming Nyn is a soft doc claim. She's the most likely candidate for a doc. 

 

Who else would be a doc in WoT?

Don't like the Hallia vote here. She says that JOhn is fishing but it was a "char claim" comment quite early in the game.

 

In any case, the game is not going to be solved by char and role claims.

 

 

Darthe mentioned a truth about Scum Pral liking to latch on to something. 

 

He talks about the fake char and role claims a lot.

 

And straight out the gate he susses Hallia for her vote on later confirmed Scum and thinks nothing of a DOC claim because there are fake claims.

 

Ok, finally caught up (had to skim a lof of Shad and Zander posts :/)

 

Not much time but this is what I am feeling

 

 

Dice - I like the way he has been inquisitive and his tone mainly suggests that he is trying to figure out stuff.

Darthe - He had pocketed a lot of people early in the day in the previous game but here is quite different. Not trying hard and mostly standing in the background and this I feel is town!Darthe

WiFi - SImilar to above, doesn't feel like the forced wifi we saw in the previous game. She is more free-flowing and that keeps her green for me.

 

John Snow - Don't see what others are seeing in scum here and I think he is mostly an easy target. Hi char-claim comment is not likely to come from scum. Neither his doc thing.

Zander/Cass - VEry difficult to read Zander early in the game. I had to skim most of his posts. Cass has seemed alright. I think they are town here but need to have flips before I can figure them out completelt

Nolder - Feeling good about Nolder - although he hasn't given detailed lists, he is having enough presence to talk to people. The tone looks townie though.

Ironeyes - He got voted pretty early and I like his reaction to that. I don't agree with his vote on Snow but otherwise his posts have been good

 

 

Shad - His initial posts where he jokes that he is scum is weird. Still think he is a deep as scum and hard to read. Don't like the AtE part and self-voting but it comes likely from town!Shad. So, kind of mixed on him.

Hellian - Not much to comment here. She is new and I don't know how she plays. Still don't know the votes on her.

Believer - Not played with him either. Seems reluctant to give out reads D1. Difficult to say

 

 

Kat - Sigh, I somehow always see Kat scummy and it is the same this game. Posts like these and these where she shows frustration look forced to me.

Hallia - Gun to head, I would say she is scum. I don't like her vote on Snow and it looked quite opportunistic. I am used to her giving more detailed reads than she has given out this game.

Tiinker - He has been just following the crowd the whole game. Kind of reminds me of the game he was scum with me. His strong Darthe town read is out of nowhere.

 

Pral's D1 reads.

 

Ignores Hallia;s claim and reason for suss is her John Snow vote.

 

Please note the 2 confirmed dead Scum,

 

God if Im wrong on Kat.....

 

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Ok, finally caught up (had to skim a lof of Shad and Zander posts :/)

 

Not much time but this is what I am feeling

 

 

Dice - I like the way he has been inquisitive and his tone mainly suggests that he is trying to figure out stuff.

John Snow - Don't see what others are seeing in scum here and I think he is mostly an easy target. Hi char-claim comment is not likely to come from scum. Neither his doc thing.

@Dice Figure out what? He's primary posts have been outrage at someone self-voting. 

@WiFi which game? How is she more free flowing? Looks exactly the same as always.

@JS - Why can't it come from scum? It's got no actual substance and takes town no where to talk about it. 

 

You lazy or you're scum.

 

He has more than just outraging at shad. Just as an example, take this post this post.

 

Don't tell me you don't see the difference betwenen her Black metal play and here. There, she was very forceful, trying to fit alignments with individuals. Here she doesn't seem that.

 

JS's post is not likely to come from scum because what's the point? By using that argument, you are only preventing the lynch on that person and it doesn't exactly gain townie points either. If anything, doing that is bad for scum.

 

 

I mean Town!Pral can be really off on Scum!John but in hindsight this dont look very good imo.

 

 

He's not figuring in at all Hallia's soft claim and before people jump over me saying theres FAKE CHAR AND ROLE claims.  He's not even factoring in the timing of it or anything.

What do you say about the timing? It is wifom at best. If you had a Nyn fakeclaim, wouldn't you claim it right at the outset? That's why my point of not considering the char or role claim in this game.

 

 

Again Nyn claim most likely tied to Doc claim and Pral just doesnt seem to consider a fake Doc Scum claim is pretty awful.

 

 

Once during the game you may choose to Execute a player. Once a player has half the votes needed to hammer (if in a traditional hammer game) you may PM me to execute them. This ends the day automatically. [redacted]

Well, so the critical thing is this. Hellian could have executed anyone with half the votes in order to save himself. I guess she was the strongest scum player in the team, looking at her powers. Unfortunately for scum, the other train was John Snow. There definitely would be an attempt to build an alternate town wagon to use this power.

 

 

And as soon as John Snow flips. 

 

Like nothing ever happened.

 

Need to continue ISO.

[Shad_]

Ok.

 

So back to the beginning

 

Kat/Darthe?

Do your thing and dig around. If we need to find someone deeper it never hurts to have a head start. I want to see one of Kat or Darthe flip today.

[Shad_]

Nothing in your post about Pral bugs me. /shrug

[Shad_]

If anything I find it atypical for a wolf to openly rush to his team mate's defense that early in a game.

[Shad_]

But I'm going to stop commenting and let y'all do your thing for a while. Don't want to be a distraction.

[Zander?]

 

D1 Votecount

 

 

 

Ironeyes (1): Snow

 

Snow (3): Ironeyes, Hallia, Believer

 

Hellian (3): Zass, Shad, Nolder

 

Zass (1): Hellian

 

Believer (1): Tiinker

 

Not Voting (5): Darthe, Dice, Katiora, Pralaya, Wildfire Sedai

 

 

 

You have about 7 hours to choose between the stedding and Tel'Aran'Rhiod

Atm I'm going to [unvote] [v] Believer [/v]

 

I want to reread Nol and Pral now that they have some more content, and want to check out the Hellian thing some more.

I seriously doubt Believer is scum based on this vote. It could be a very sneaky gambit (John Snow even talked about these things) but as a gambit JS would have been better voting Hellian instead of Believer. The whole Believer train was probably a train to Execute him.

 

 

 

JS flip does kinda clear Hallia. If she was scum, I doubt JS would bring up a fake claim discussion after his fellow scum fake-claimed. Plus her vote on JS right at the beginning.

 

 

[V]Kat[/v]

 

I made a few points earlier in the day how the scum might have wanted to set up a town train to Execute. In the light of that, kat's vote on believer looks really bad.

 

Plus kat had some questionable posts D1 which I was suspicious of

 

Pral starts making a lot more sense here and later in the ISO tho.

[Zander?]

But I'm going to stop commenting and let y'all do your thing for a while. Don't want to be a distraction.

 

Shad do you buy Hallia's claim?

 

Anyone's claim youre not buying?

 

Whats your current reads list look like?

 

If were wrong on Kat and or Darthe where next?

[Hallia]

Fine, let's just do Kat/Darthe. I do t care which order.

 

[v] Kat [/v]

[Zander?]

Fine, let's just do Kat/Darthe. I do t care which order.

 

[v] Kat [/v]

 

Hallia you have thoughts for me!??!?!?!?!?

[Hallia]

I think if Kat just isn't going to be here, and so many are scum reading her, she needs to be resolved. If Darthe is still putting effort out, I am ok with delaying that. I'm tired and my computer here at home is giving me fits, which isn't letting me play in my desktop. I'm stuck on mobile and it's very very frustrating

[Hallia]

I think before Kat left as town, she would have continued putting effort in until she could no longer play. She didn't do that

[Zander?]

I think if Kat just isn't going to be here, and so many are scum reading her, she needs to be resolved. If Darthe is still putting effort out, I am ok with delaying that. I'm tired and my computer here at home is giving me fits, which isn't letting me play in my desktop. I'm stuck on mobile and it's very very frustrating

 

sadface.gif

[Zander?]

I think before Kat left as town, she would have continued putting effort in until she could no longer play. She didn't do that

 

Me too but I know I can be annoying tho.....lolololololol

[Hallia]

<3 you keep me sane.

[Hallia]

I also know why I'm left alive. I have great equity "oh, Hallia alive still? Better mislynch"

 

It happens with me all the time.

[Zander?]

Hallia what are your thoughts on Darthe Commuter claim?

[Zander?]

<3 you keep me sane.

 

 

I also know why I'm left alive. I have great equity "oh, Hallia alive still? Better mislynch"

 

It happens with me all the time.

 

I think lynching Darthe first and him flipping Scum should almost lock clear you imo.

 

Thoughts?

[Hallia]

I saw some stuff on that - did he say he purposefully went somewhere he couldn't use it?

[Hallia]

I would still be ok with lynching him.