Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Tiinker]

 

 

Especially since he corrected me and stated its more then x1.

 

Like if Darthe's Town he's basically has x # of BPV's

 

Dice had an x1 ability that could stop a Maf NK.

 

Dice had another ability to POSS give a BPV to someone else.

 

Believer basically had a BPV as well.

 

With all this info already laid out.

 

I dont see there being BOTH Doc and a Commuter tbqh.

 

 

 

Dice doesn't count imo. He could've given scum BPV or used vig shot.

 

1 BPV, Commuter, Doc vs Strongman Faction Kill + SK kill. 

 

Doesn't sound that unreasaonble.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Especially since he corrected me and stated its more then x1.

 

Like if Darthe's Town he's basically has x # of BPV's

 

Dice had an x1 ability that could stop a Maf NK.

 

Dice had another ability to POSS give a BPV to someone else.

 

Believer basically had a BPV as well.

 

With all this info already laid out.

 

I dont see there being BOTH Doc and a Commuter tbqh.

 

 

 

Dice doesn't count imo. He could've given scum BPV or used vig shot.

 

1 BPV, Commuter, Doc vs Strongman Faction Kill + SK kill. 

 

Doesn't sound that unreasaonble.

 

 

Dude....listen to me.

 

Believer was basically a x1 BPV himeself.

 

Dice had a x1 BPV against Scum and a poss x1 BPV gift that was kinda nerfed cause it only had a 25% chance of getting to the person. And it worked and we got it.

 

Darthe claimed his Commuter ability was multi shot.

 

Hallia's at least claimed multiple shot Doc.

 

Plus we have an ability that can increase someone elses abilities.

 

With BOTH these claims being at least multi shots

 

Seems like A LOT OF DEFENSE for Town imo.

[Tiinker]

 

 

 

 

Especially since he corrected me and stated its more then x1.

 

Like if Darthe's Town he's basically has x # of BPV's

 

Dice had an x1 ability that could stop a Maf NK.

 

Dice had another ability to POSS give a BPV to someone else.

 

Believer basically had a BPV as well.

 

With all this info already laid out.

 

I dont see there being BOTH Doc and a Commuter tbqh.

 

 

 

Dice doesn't count imo. He could've given scum BPV or used vig shot.

 

1 BPV, Commuter, Doc vs Strongman Faction Kill + SK kill. 

 

Doesn't sound that unreasaonble.

 

 

Dude....listen to me.

 

Believer was basically a x1 BPV himeself.

 

Dice had a x1 BPV against Scum and a poss x1 BPV gift that was kinda nerfed cause it only had a 25% chance of getting to the person. And it worked and we got it.

 

Darthe claimed his Commuter ability was multi shot.

 

Hallia's at least claimed multiple shot Doc.

 

Plus we have an ability that can increase someone elses abilities.

 

With BOTH these claims being at least multi shots

 

Seems like A LOT OF DEFENSE for Town imo.

 

 

Yes and I'm saying get rid of Dice's ability because not only could he have given it to scum he also had the ability to shoot. And it's like you're not registering that scum had a STRONGMAN (bypass Doc AND BPV) faction kill bi-nightly. So, again, it doesn't sound that unreasonable.

[Darthe]

 

Is there anyone who me flipping doesnt condemn?

That in and of itself seems to point to town me too btw

 

 

With the ability me and Cass still have, a confirmed Doc with uses left will make it really hard for Wolves to kill people.

When I flip town youll want to kill hally then this whole line of reasoning is moot. Im not a "see how it pans out" kill. This isnt win/win for the town and it shouldnt be presented as such, especially given that I am currently the second strongest claim itt.

[Darthe]

My abilit can bevery easily proven you know?

[Darthe]

Literally any target ability target me and youll get no result tonight. Im going into TEL.

[Shad_]

Would you say Shads pretty much not taken a solid stance on much of anything?

 

Regardless of fake role claims...is it really hard to believe should still have at least SOME thoughts on that???

 

Especially since he agreed with me on one of my posts about it???

 

Shad says he just gonna park his vote on kat basically and peace out.

 

He says  Kat Scum flip would likely make Wifi Scum with her.  This does make sense to me as Ive stated the poss already.

 

But my concern is if shes Town does that say anything about Wifi or anyone else really?

 

Now if we lunch Darthe and he flips Scum....this pretty much clears Halii

 

AND

 

If Darthe happens to flip Town it pretty much condemns Hallia.

 

Which seems to be the better choice iyo?

In your mind a villager is someone who professes to know exactly who the wolves are and a wolf is someone who weighs the positives and negatives of each slot and takes their best guess.

 

Blue, I've expressed my thoughts and they aren't the same as yours so they are invalid and I am a wolf.  This is nothing new.

 

Red, we know there was a multi-use strongman.  This necessitates things to bypass.  Assuming that such things exist is not the same as trying to read the mod's mind about which protective roles she would include vs which she would make fake claims.

 

Green, read what I said and try again.

 

Agree on light salmon.

 

Purple, not w/w != not v/v. 

[Zander?]

My abilit can bevery easily proven you know?

 

 

Literally any target ability target me and youll get no result tonight. Im going into TEL.

 

pretty sure commuter can be a scum role too can it not?

[Shad_]

A Darthe Scum flip raises Shads Wolf equity more then just the increased probability (%) which comes from lowering the number of players remaining imo.

I could say a Kat scum flip greatly raises your wolf equity, but I'm not going to make a read that shallow on 133 pages of content.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Especially since he corrected me and stated its more then x1.

 

Like if Darthe's Town he's basically has x # of BPV's

 

Dice had an x1 ability that could stop a Maf NK.

 

Dice had another ability to POSS give a BPV to someone else.

 

Believer basically had a BPV as well.

 

With all this info already laid out.

 

I dont see there being BOTH Doc and a Commuter tbqh.

 

 

 

Dice doesn't count imo. He could've given scum BPV or used vig shot.

 

1 BPV, Commuter, Doc vs Strongman Faction Kill + SK kill. 

 

Doesn't sound that unreasaonble.

 

 

Dude....listen to me.

 

Believer was basically a x1 BPV himeself.

 

Dice had a x1 BPV against Scum and a poss x1 BPV gift that was kinda nerfed cause it only had a 25% chance of getting to the person. And it worked and we got it.

 

Darthe claimed his Commuter ability was multi shot.

 

Hallia's at least claimed multiple shot Doc.

 

Plus we have an ability that can increase someone elses abilities.

 

With BOTH these claims being at least multi shots

 

Seems like A LOT OF DEFENSE for Town imo.

 

 

Yes and I'm saying get rid of Dice's ability because not only could he have given it to scum he also had the ability to shoot. And it's like you're not registering that scum had a STRONGMAN (bypass Doc AND BPV) faction kill bi-nightly. So, again, it doesn't sound that unreasonable.

 

 

Can you show me where it states anything about a BI NIGHTLY faction kill please?

[Shad_]

Ollie's getting a tooth in and Phoebe gets colicy in the afternoons. I have my hands full. I'm going to try and catch up as I can. Can't promise I'll be remotely current come deadline. I'm going to take it linear from where I left off because if I keep humoring you in RT I will never get anywhere by EoD and might as well have not checked into the game today.

[Zander?]

@ Shad-

 

Humor me here.

 

Do you think me and cass are Town?

[Shad_]

Yes

[Shad_]

 

Yes and I'm saying get rid of Dice's ability because not only could he have given it to scum he also had the ability to shoot. And it's like you're not registering that scum had a STRONGMAN (bypass Doc AND BPV) faction kill bi-nightly. So, again, it doesn't sound that unreasonable.

 

Can you show me where it states anything about a BI NIGHTLY faction kill please?

 

ftfy, answer is in the flip

[Zander?]

Roedran stepped through the gateway patting down his clothing irritably. He was King of Murandy, yet it was almost as if he was a none entity to these people. It was bad enough following the commands of common villagers, and from a village nobody had heard of, but to be ignored at the Council of War and left behind as the leaders headed to war, it was too much.

 

He'd taken a few paces before he realised that the crowd around him was silent, accusing, dangerous

 

"what, what is this" he blustered

 

The crowd shifted making way for a group of people who walked up to him.

 

"Is it you?" they asked suspiciously

 

"Am I who?" he said feigning confusion

 

 

 

 

Hellian has been lynched they were

 

 

 

as he stood there looking at their accusing stares, he drew himself up haughtily and the Mask of Mirrors slipped

 

"Kneel and cower foolish men" he sneered "your end is nigh, and there is no one to save you"

 

Demandred

 

 

 

Welcome Demandred, obsessed with Lews Therein you joined the Shadow to prove that you were the better man...

 

You are a member of the mafia

 

Each day you must choose to spend the night in Tel'Aran'Rhiod or a stedding.

 

Each phase you can choose between one of the following abilities

 

In the stedding you have no extra abilities

 

In Tel'Aran'Rhiod you have a one shot severing this takes away the abilities of any Aes Sedai or Ashaman, but has no effect on anyone that is not an Aes Sedai or Ashaman. It must be submitted on somebody in Tel'Aran'Rhiod with you.

 

You also have a one shot temporary loveriser ability. Once during night you may become lovers with somebody for the night. This means if one of you die, you both die. You also share a QT with that person for the night. It must be submitted on somebody in Tel'Aran'Rhiod with you

 

Once during the game you may challenge somebody to a Gladiator match. PM me and I will announce the challenge in thread. All votes will be removed and the lynch will be decided between you and the person you challenge. Once the challenge has been issued day will switch to hammer and votes will be locked.

 

Once during the game you may choose to Execute a player. Once a player has half the votes needed to hammer (if in a traditional hammer game) you may PM me to execute them. This ends the day automatically. [redacted]

 

 

Faction kill - strongman - if you submit the faction kill within Tel'Aran'Rhiod and on somebody else within Tel'Aran'Rhiod the kill can not be blocked by protective roles or be roleblocked. You can not submit a strongman kill 2 nights running

 

 

 

 

Day dawned slowly, rays of light spreading reluctantly across the land. The huddled masses of the Alliance looked at each other wordlessly, shaken by the might of the first attack. They shouldn't be able to move, the world shouldn't be carrying on as if nothing had changed, the world HAD changed, but it carried on regardless.

 

And then word started to filter down and the wailing started in earnest

 

John Snow was

 

 

 

Welcome Moghedian the Spider, a Forsaken preferring to collapse civilisation from within

 

You are a member of the mafia

 

Each day you must choose to spend the night in Tel'Aran'Rhiod or a stedding.

 

In the stedding you have no extra abilities

 

In Tel'Aran'Rhiod you may investigate one player and learn their role (role cop)

 

 

Nolder was

 

 

Welcome Egwene, apprentice wise woman, Aes Sedai, Amrylin, mortal enemy of the Seanchan and childhood friend of the Dragon Reborn

 

You are a member of the town

 

Each day you must choose to spend the night in Tel'Aran'Rhiod or a stedding.

 

You have no extra abilities in the stedding

 

In Tel'Aran'Rhiod you have a one shot copycat ability. Once during the game you can copy the ability of any dead player that they can use in Tel'Aran'Rhiod

 

 

 

 

 

Yes and I'm saying get rid of Dice's ability because not only could he have given it to scum he also had the ability to shoot. And it's like you're not registering that scum had a STRONGMAN (bypass Doc AND BPV) faction kill bi-nightly. So, again, it doesn't sound that unreasonable.

 

Can you show me where it states anything about a BI NIGHTLY faction kill please?

 

ftfy, answer is in the flip

 

 

I thought he meant a strongman then the nk was bi nightly.

 

i see what he means now.

 

my bad.

[Zander?]

@ Shad-

 

Humor me here.

 

Do you think me and cass are Town?

 

 

Yes

 

Then why are you seemingly just shrugging me off or being pissy man.

 

I know Im annoying AF but if Town!Shad it Town reading Town!Zander.please just try to work with me and explain things instead getting annoyed nd pissy with me.

 

We've been working our butts off here man and I know Im dumb but unless you think Im a Wolf which you say you dont please try and suck up the annoyance and talk me through the things I have questions or concerns about please.

[Zander?]

 

Would you say Shads pretty much not taken a solid stance on much of anything?

 

Regardless of fake role claims...is it really hard to believe should still have at least SOME thoughts on that???

 

Especially since he agreed with me on one of my posts about it???

 

Shad says he just gonna park his vote on kat basically and peace out.

 

He says  Kat Scum flip would likely make Wifi Scum with her.  This does make sense to me as Ive stated the poss already.

 

But my concern is if shes Town does that say anything about Wifi or anyone else really?

 

Now if we lunch Darthe and he flips Scum....this pretty much clears Halii

 

AND

 

If Darthe happens to flip Town it pretty much condemns Hallia.

 

Which seems to be the better choice iyo?

1. In your mind a villager is someone who professes to know exactly who the wolves are and a wolf is someone who weighs the positives and negatives of each slot and takes their best guess.
2. Blue, I've expressed my thoughts and they aren't the same as yours so they are invalid and I am a wolf.  This is nothing new.
3. Red, we know there was a multi-use strongman.  This necessitates things to bypass.  Assuming that such things exist is not the same as trying to read the mod's mind about which protective roles she would include vs which she would make fake claims.
4. Green, read what I said and try again.
5. Agree on light salmon.
6. Purple, not w/w != not v/v. 

 

 

1. Thats not entirey true nor are you factoring in the fact i base like 90% of my reads off of Meta factors as well.
2. You just keep saying BFG's not a bad mod.  I agree.  Im asking you to speculate on the roles we have and what makes sense based on it.
3. Again Im just asking you what roles claimed make sense with WHAT WE KNOW.
4. Show me where Im wrong please cause im not sure?
5. We do and diaf for the light Salmon.
6. I dont get the whole != stuff.  Can you please explain that out to me?

[Darthe]

 

My abilit can bevery easily proven you know?

 

 

 

Literally any target ability target me and youll get no result tonight. Im going into TEL.

 

 

pretty sure commuter can be a scum role too can it not?

So can doctor, or role cop, or vig, or jailkeeper, or bpv, or any other role sans IC.

 

But I can show that im homest in my claim and if not.That then im the ideal peek. Not even a strongman stops a commute in NAR

[Darthe]

 

@ Shad-

 

Humor me here.

 

Do you think me and cass are Town?

 

 

 

Yes

 

 

Then why are you seemingly just shrugging me off or being pissy man.

 

I know Im annoying AF but if Town!Shad it Town reading Town!Zander.please just try to work with me and explain things instead getting annoyed nd pissy with me.

 

We've been working our butts off here man and I know Im dumb but unless you think Im a Wolf which you say you dont please try and suck up the annoyance and talk me through the things I have questions or concerns about please.

I too want to shrug you off and be pissy. I too am working my butt off and getting jack shit to show for it.

 

I can understand where shad is coming from.

[Darthe]

Zander am I a wolf?

[Shad_]

Like I said yesterday, I don't see her scum based on how she voted D1. She had already suspected JS and could have voted JS instead of the much stronger Hellian. I don't see her as scum doing it.

 

I don't give much credence to the claim given that scum have fake claims. The only thing that stood out while I read the game is that JS called out Hallia as doc before she claimed it, based on just her character claim. I kinda felt as if JS had TMI - like he already knew she was a doc or had a doc claim but given the theme, it is not that surprising, I guess.

To be fair she switched late, but she could have generated a reason to vote Believer easily enough and tied his train with /hellian, and who knows what would have happened at that point.  Kat wouldn't have switch as either alignment.  Generally agree that her D1 progression is more likely to come from a villager.

 

Red did cross my mind too.

 

I feel like I've been on the same page as Pral a lot in this game.

[Darthe]

Wait js called her role? She lived after that then the claim?

 

 

 

You guys are freaking insufferable to work with.... im your biggest advantage atm and youre pissing it away over the inactive 3 day leading lynch. Wtfh

[Darthe]

Hally wifi kat, 2 of 3?

 

Doesnt explain lack of kills though, which is seriously odd.

 

 

Is it against the rules to talk about who was in which qt etc?

[Darthe]

Zander am I a wolf?

[Zander?]

 

 

@ Shad-

 

Humor me here.

 

Do you think me and cass are Town?

 

 

Yes

 

Then why are you seemingly just shrugging me off or being pissy man.

 

I know Im annoying AF but if Town!Shad it Town reading Town!Zander.please just try to work with me and explain things instead getting annoyed nd pissy with me.

 

We've been working our butts off here man and I know Im dumb but unless you think Im a Wolf which you say you dont please try and suck up the annoyance and talk me through the things I have questions or concerns about please.

I too want to shrug you off and be pissy. I too am working my butt off and getting jack shit to show for it.

 

I can understand where shad is coming from.

 

 

I certainly appreciate the effort you put in today regardless of alignment.

 

And its not like im tunneling anyone or anything atp.

 

I have legit concerns Im trying to work through.

 

Also this NOT JUST AT YOU but the AtE levels in this game are getting borderline over the top.  And yes I include myself in here cause Ive had a few as well.

 

Zander am I a wolf?

 

Its quite possible.

 

Nothings changed from my previous statement. "Min 1 Wolf in Kat/Darthe/Wifi."

 

And i still only wanna lynch between Kat and you today.