Beyond the Wall - Game Thread - GAME OVER

[Lenlo]

Dice, like it or not you defended Zander. Also I hope you understand why I can't accept "your never a wolf here"

[Shad_]

your read on a kat is a bit forced.

 

you try to go through your steps, but it's more like you're leading to a certain conclusion and everything in the post has the conclusion in mind. i honestly don't see why you can't just go to the conclusion unless you're trying to show how much work you're doing in which case i kind of don't approve because your conclusion is weak and the volume of it makes it unreadable.

I don't hate this assessment.

[Shad_]

Honestly Flea WoTs makes my eyes glaze over pretty fast and I haven't given her the attention I ought to.

[Shad_]

Is Sili always so quick to anger?

He can be moody.

[Shad_]

Open question to everyone:

 

When you are scum, how willing are you to bus your teammates? If your teammates bussed you, how would you react?

If a scummate has the most lynch votes, how hard will you fight to save them? If they are absent, what would you do?

I would place myself on the protective side of the spectrum. I don't know if my past team mates would agree, but I'm generally not a gambler and don't do it unless I feel it's optimal.

 

The only time I was bussed hard in the past I lead a lynch on the team mate and ultimately won the game for it, but it was his idea.

 

I fight to save scum mates when I think I can get away with it and try to capitalize on their lynch when I can't. It's all situational.

 

But I thought you said you hate it when people explain their own meta.

[Shad_]

Open question to everyone:

 

When you are scum, how willing are you to bus your teammates? If your teammates bussed you, how would you react?

If a scummate has the most lynch votes, how hard will you fight to save them? If they are absent, what would you do?

I would place myself on the protective side of the spectrum. I don't know if my past team mates would agree, but I'm generally not a gambler and don't do it unless I feel it's optimal.

 

The only time I was bussed hard in the past I lead a lynch on the team mate and ultimately won the game for it, but it was his idea.

 

I fight to save scum mates when I think I can get away with it and try to capitalize on their lynch when I can't. It's all situational.

 

But I thought you said you hate it when people explain their own meta.

[Shad_]

A) I wasn't in WoW

B) I don't even remember GvD tbh

C) I don't think you've seen me scum (excluding TUS which was just a weird game) You can't argue meta on me as scum if you don't know how I play as scum.

The WoW thing is a reference to her. Ragnarok was the game she saw you town in.

[Shad_]

But its NOT mine. For those who apparently cant read my argument is not about zander. its about LENLO! majority of people wanna lynch that slot then lynch it.  ive already told you im staying out of making a decision there. My problem is lens thinking, About that he isnt even CONSIDERING he may be wrong yet hes the one proclaiming good things will come from that lynch. Well they will if its scum  but what if it isnt?

@ sirren??  i think asked me if im reading celeste   tbh im too embroiled in my argument with lenlo to really look anywhere else atm. 

Plus i suck at celeste reading.

Gets hung up on minutia, makes zero read progression off of it, this is kind of a clear-cut case.

[Shad_]

I'm kind of surprised more people aren't jumping on this. Dice isn't a particularly hard read most of the time and this is pretty much Dragon Reborn Reborn.

[Shad_]

I mean do we even need to go much farther than "majority of people wanna lynch that slot then lynch it" when his scum reads are all based on who wants to lynch it?

[Shad_]

Town!Dice can make a lot of reads that feel goofy to me, but there's an internal cohesion to them. He isn't connecting any dots here.

[SiRReN]

 

Open question to everyone:

 

When you are scum, how willing are you to bus your teammates? If your teammates bussed you, how would you react?

If a scummate has the most lynch votes, how hard will you fight to save them? If they are absent, what would you do?

I would place myself on the protective side of the spectrum. I don't know if my past team mates would agree, but I'm generally not a gambler and don't do it unless I feel it's optimal.

 

The only time I was bussed hard in the past I lead a lynch on the team mate and ultimately won the game for it, but it was his idea.

 

I fight to save scum mates when I think I can get away with it and try to capitalize on their lynch when I can't. It's all situational.

 

But I thought you said you hate it when people explain their own meta.

I do generally, but I wanted to generate some content and I'm hoping to be able to compare what people say to how they reacted to both lynches.

[SiRReN]

@Shad Regarding your comment about why no one is going after Dice, like you said, it's pretty obvious.

[Andrej]

meh. Dice is sort of a conundrum in himself. It's hard to apply normal logical conclusions to him because he doesn't really function that way. He's stubborn to a fault

[Andrej]

The scum!Dice I am used to is pop in and snipe. Not spend a lot of time in thread arguing his stance.

 

Granted it's been a long time. I have other people more presently of interest fwiw.

[Lenlo]

I'm completely cool with lynching Dice, would rather Zander first though.

[Shad_]

Celeste's posts closer to EoD are ~ok. When she fakes frustration she tends to overdo it, and I didn't really get that vibe here.

 

But that's not much and Zander still looked really awful.

 

I think Dice has more scum equity right now regardless and I'd sooner go that route tomorrow as things stand.

[Shad_]

I guess the more I'm getting concerned with Dice the more I remember how many villagers he spewed in DR by treating them like he knew they were villagers.

[Shad_]

And granted I was a wolf in most (all?) of them, I remember his town game improving a lot lately. This would be a pretty major step backwards.

[Andrej]

I feel pretty strongly Hallia could be scum. She avoided the Z wagon pretty hard and her transition on Princess doesn't really make sense.

 

Also I have no clue where she had Kat prior to jumping into her wagon.

[Shad_]

I really need to call it quits on p49 and look at the CFD proper tomorrow.

That and reading Flea properly will be my focus, because I'm at Turin/Lenny levels of zzzzzzz trying to process them and I've glossed over most of it. (No offense Flea, your style is just really hard for me to read.)

I have to be in Pittsburgh at like 9 in the friggin morning and have appointments until 5pm. I'm probably going to sleep about 5 hours tonight as things stand and might be a zombie come tomorrow night. Meh.  At least it's during a night phase.

[Shad_]

I've gotten into the habit of trusting my town reads on Hallia.  When I do take a stance on her my track record's been < rand accurate.

 

She'll be a quick read though.  Later.

[Hallia]

I feel pretty strongly Hallia could be scum. She avoided the Z wagon pretty hard and her transition on Princess doesn't really make sense.

 

Also I have no clue where she had Kat prior to jumping into her wagon.

*leads lynch on someone, they're not scum*

 

LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE

 

Not a good look.

 

I maintain my opinion on Zander/Celeste.  Not avoiding when I have STATED I don't think they're scum.

 

Princess was explained via myself and Sirren.

[Andrej]

Technically my read on Kat was correct. I've had her as scummy since like pg 10-15. What was your read on her though? You still haven't said.

 

Also this was your progression on Princess in a nutshell.

 

You: Princess is on point for her town game.

 

Balrog: Uhhh, she was scum that game.

 

You: Oh. She's my next top scum read then.

 

???

[PrincessBFlea]

@Hallia-- could you answer my question?? What have I done so far that you find scummy? Because if you are using SiRReN as your backup, she's also already stated that this was closer to my town game... AFTER you said you then found me scummy. I can find the quote for you if you need?

 

I'm really curious-- what is your read on me?