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Not entirely sure about LilyElizabeth. I'm not great at reading gut players, she said she had a good feeling about me but was reconsidering b/c other people doubted me, would like to know why that is, and not just a reason to suss me while not actually explaining an initial town read on me.

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Also, I'm actually suspicious of Hallia. Maybe people are tone reading her town, but it's difficult for me to see that without her giving thoughts beyond "I like this", "x can be town because of this post", etcetera. 

 

I asked her for fiery (I think I spelled it wrong earlier) reads, but haven't seen them. 

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  On 6/7/2016 at 7:31 PM, Clovdyx said:

And I know you and I approach the game with vastly different methods, but most of that seems pretty obvious to me, so you seemingly not getting any of is probably a bad sign.

 

I have some thoughts pertaining to you, but I kinda wanna see where you take this first.

 

So were different, we look at things differently and have different ways of approaching things yet me not following you on what you think of me, when I obv KNOW that Im Town is a bad sign?

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  On 6/7/2016 at 7:32 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Okay. All caught up again. Still liking Wish, even though others don't. Kat's long posts make sense and I liked her reads list. Still feeling really lost in this game, though. 

 

Any changes on other reads you gave?

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  On 6/7/2016 at 7:43 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:37 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:48 PM, Katiora said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:37 PM, seph said:

hey kat, what exactly did you agree with zander on, in his regards to my progression?

I agreed with how you posted it it looked a little like it was you contradicting yourself. I can see what you say now, and it makes sense, but the problem is that I can't remember seeing the progression of that thought pattern in the thread. Now when you post it, it looks more like you're covering yourself instead of actually going through the thought process. But like I said yesterday I wanted to hear your explanation of how you got from "most suspicious" to "think he's town". 

 

I still understand and I'm not on board with lynching you (yet and I may never be) I would like some other people's thoughts... I'm honestly on the fence with everyone. There are so many people in here I have so little experience playing with that i'm having a hard time reading people.And there's people going after people that to me seem more town, like Zander, but I'm kinda shifty about him because I've never played in a game with him as Mafia so I really don't know what to look for, but I am not for taking people's word on other people's meta, especially when I don't know you, at all. And we have had so many hard core arguments between 2/3 people that to me were moot arguments that didn't mean anything that I feel a bit thrown off. I really feel like we're grasping at straws here and not making much progress finding scum. 

 

I mean right now we have this going down with Clov and Sili. I don't believe that either one of them really thinks the other is scum, i mean i could be reading you wrong but that's how i'm taking it, but their still arguing. The same happened with Lenlo and SIli yesterday (by the end neither of them really got anything fiured out) and with Zander and BFG. Then there have been a few genuine arguments about alignments but I have had such a hard time getting them into my head reading around the other arguments. I really need to go back and re-read most of yesterday's afternoon posts but I dread it so much.... 

 

 

/end wordy post

 

 

I like thia post because as Scum imo she'd have the opportunity to push at least someone from this list.

 

Can you elaborate on the Bold? 

 

Is that a meta read?

 

 

No, its a general thought/assumption I dont have Scum Meta on her.

 

It just seems to me as Scum shed HAVE to push someone sometime and here seems like a pretty good and safe chance to pick someone out and go after them if that makes more sense?

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Everyone knows that they're obvious town, zander. That's the first assumption anyone should make when they're playing this game. 

 

categorizing the fights that have happened thus far:

 

early fight- sili vs seph - results: both read each other as town

 

bfg vs zander - results ??? I'm still unclear on what happened here

 

sili vs lenlo - both read the other as scum

 

zander vs me - both read the other as scum 

 

chris vs sili - results ??? missed the tail end of that and the conclusion

 

chris vs zander - ongoing... 

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@Chris - yes, I think Obvious town Sili is open with his thoughts/progressions. If you read his posts and the thread it's generally pretty obvious what makes him change his mind. So far Sili isn't hitting the 'always' town meta I have for him, of which this is a small part. This doesn't make him mafia and I think he'll be more obvious as the game progresses. I will ISO him at some stage, probably, if only for peace of mind. But still not a priority today.

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  On 6/7/2016 at 7:43 PM, Katiora said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:37 PM, Zander said:
  On 6/7/2016 at 3:48 PM, Katiora said:

I like thia post because as Scum imo she'd have the opportunity to push at least someone from this list.

 

Can you elaborate on the Bold? 

 

Yes... to elaborate... From what they're saying neither one of them particularly think the other is scum. They're just arguing about phonetics lol They don't agree.. they should, to use something else.. LET IT GOOOOO LET IT GOOOOOOOOOO 

 

 

I mean more along the liines of you think its T/T?

 

Or like do you feel ONE of them has an agenda?

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I'm hesitant to categorize all the fights as between people of the same alignment, either w/w or v/v 

 

I have separate reads on each of these people just from posting style and content, have been waffling back and forth on a few people who really have what I consider a towny attitude/approach but a lack of content, and a few people who I just find irritating/annoying and scummy but I might just be conf biased on b/c of the first part of their posts. 

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  On 6/7/2016 at 8:29 PM, Zander said:

1. I didnt like the fact she was the one who mentioned it because it would clear her as well.

 

2. Can you show me where I said or implied this from that?

 

3. Again I said he contradicted himself, he later himself admits this.

 

4, Pushing back againt someone for using completely Null tells is unreasonable....???

 

 

Nobody can clear themselves.  They can only be cleared by other players, unless you seriously want to argue that she would come in after a mafia flip from Seph and point out that she couldn't possibly be teammates with him for it.

 

I was being somewhat liberal with that.  My point is - you've basically had it out for him this entire game. Pretty much the first (significant) thing that you did was directed at him, and you haven't let it up since.  Once that happened, you immediately jumped on it and called other people's attention to it.  The best thing you've said about him in the first, oh, 200 posts you made was that you didn't hate some of his newer posts...which seemed to not influence your read.  Am I wrong about that?

 

I gave my take on it earlier and why I thought it wasn't necessarily contradictory, even if he said it was.  Do you feel I was completely off in right field with that take? 

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  On 6/7/2016 at 7:59 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

wait did she just do a q and a analsis about that on page 57???

 

 

uh

 

Yep lololololol

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:00 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:51 PM, Zander said:

What do you mean by the bold Chris?

 

Seph accused Lenlo of twisting stuff.  That gave me the impression he wouldn't feel GOOD about Lenlo, since town typically isn't TRYING to twist things.  Sili pointed out it happens on accident, which is true...but if somebody's doing it on accident, it's not like they're just going to say, "oh, okay, I'll stop now.  Sorry!"

 

 

I guess?

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:59 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive. 

 

Does Scum Lenlo make this post?

 

dunno. dunno if town lenlo does either tho.

 

 

Good point.

 

But if you HAD to choose?

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  On 6/7/2016 at 8:05 PM, Clovdyx said:

I didn't even look at it, to be honest.  I thought the survey was pointless and couldn't care less about people's answers to it.  So I really didn't care about her analysis - I'd rather she some analysis of actual game content, rather than intro posts and questions to a two day old discussion that I'm pretty sure we've beaten to death by this point.

 

Your catch actually isn't a bad one, though - I'll give you that.  Interested to see what she says about it.

 

Its what I do.

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  On 6/7/2016 at 8:12 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:57 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 4:55 PM, wish-tree said:

 

questionnaire answers analysis, yo!

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

 

Anyone else find it funny from her pointless imo Q and A that she doesnt include her Scum reads one (ME)???

 

Also Dice jokes about shooting me in every game since I got him mislynched twice as Scum while he was sleeping...

 

because I had a section carved out specifically for you, it's titled:

 

"Looking at Zander closely. "

 

sorry, I'm playing another game atm, and didn't realize it had started, so I was posting there instead

 

 

MEH

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  On 6/7/2016 at 8:20 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:18 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:16 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:14 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:59 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

wait did she just do a q and a analsis about that on page 57???

 

 

uh

 

I have not been able to engage in this game, can't be arsed, have little pockets of time

 

so it was a way to contribute to this game without having to contribute meaningful dialogue?

 

no

 

I'm slowly catching up to this game by springboarding off my own posts

 

I don't think it was meaningless, I'm kind of talking to myself atm, but I don't think that's a bad thing

 

oh so it was a way to engage yourself.

 

...

 

if you need to engage yourself using trivia...

 

well, tbh, i don't find many villagers who do that. =/

 

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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  On 6/7/2016 at 2:46 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 11:51 AM, BFG said:

Chris you'd miss it if I ever gave you an easy read :p

 

Only because it's you.   :wub:

 

 

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  On 6/7/2016 at 11:57 AM, BFG said:

Probably something like

 

not everyone can be mafia tinfoil territory:

Seph

Hallia

Dice

 

haven't done anything scummy yet, but not out of mafia range:

Chris

 

Differing shades of grey:

Sili

Laine

 

Null:

lily

Kat

Liz

 

True null:

Thane

 

Eh:

Niniel

Zander

Darthe

 

Ugh:

Lenlo

Wish-tree

 

Of note that Dice and Sili are the ones shifting categories the most

 

I'm not immensely happy with this list, if just because the team almost certainly isn't Lenlo, Wish-tree, Zander, Darthe, and I'm not sure more than 2 of them would actually be in the team.

 

I both really like and really hate this reads list from you.  The general order really isn't that different from about where I'm at - you probably have Dice just a little higher than I'm comfortable with at this point, Laine maybe just a hair low - but a few things don't really sit right with me.

 

-Why did Thane get his own group, separate from the other nulls?

-Darthe below Tina and Zander seems strange to me.  He's almost completely null to me.  I don't love his activity this game, but he's both a particularly loud townie and particularly loud mafia, so I don't think it's indicative in either direction.

-Wish at the very bottom surprised the hell out of me.  I know you weren't feeling good about her, but I don't feel you've given her nearly enough attention to make that read sit right with me.  What are you seeing there that I'm not?

 

 

Because Thane hasn't posted outside of very early game.

 

The others have all posted something, just not enough to push me either way yet.

 

 

 

 

Darthe is jumping between my bottom 2 groups and the only reason he's not in the bottom group properly is because I don't have a 'good' reason. The posts of his I remember fall into either the 'here not here', 'hopping onto someone else train of thought' with a few 'pointless' ones thrown in. I don't see any posts that are really meant to solve, and I don't see any follow through. Why should he be higher?

 

Zander has some good points about Niniel, but she's up because I don't see mafia her being careless enough to say something so generically scummy as 'just gonna follow BFG' - it's possible I'm being stupid here

 

The argument with Zander has left me with more mixed feelings.

 

 

 

I haven't posted much about either wish or Lenlo yet, why focus on wish? And I explained in my next post

 

In fact I haven't really posted much at all, mostly responses to people or arguing with Zander :/

 

 

 

 

Dice isn't a massively confident read, and I was ok with Laine until her last post. But I'll try and catch her in thread tomorrow to talk to about it.

 

 

 

Please don't make me regret taking you out of the grey :(

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lol wording didn't make sense

 

anyway

 

I haven't talked about some people yet but I have been reading ish, so I'm just going to lay out reads and you can yell at me later. I haven't read some people's posts yet in depth, but I feel good enough about what I have read of theirs that I'm going to just put them down as a town read.

 

 

Lainey

BFG

Chris

seph

Sili

Dice

Katiora

 

LilyElizabeth

Liz

 

Thane

 

Hallia

Zander

 

 

updating list as I go

 

may be missing a few people, let me know if I forgot you

 

Lots of people I have as simply lacking in what I look for from town, others town reading them b/c of strong openers and replies to me

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  On 6/7/2016 at 8:20 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:05 PM, Clovdyx said:

I didn't even look at it, to be honest.  I thought the survey was pointless and couldn't care less about people's answers to it.  So I really didn't care about her analysis - I'd rather she some analysis of actual game content, rather than intro posts and questions to a two day old discussion that I'm pretty sure we've beaten to death by this point.

 

Your catch actually isn't a bad one, though - I'll give you that.  Interested to see what she says about it.

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:18 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:10 PM, Zander said:

 

Maybe a few tweaks but man I dont hate this list.

 

 

I don't disagree, actually.  My only real issue is it's almost TOO close to where I'm at.  The lack of original thoughts isn't a great sign....but given that she seems to be struggling to keep up, maybe a bit of sheeping is to be expected?

 

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 8:12 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:57 PM, Hallia said:

I'm also confused that Laine was surprised I didn't just tell them to stfu. Like, when has that ever been something I would do?

 

I dont recall if thats what she said exactly but if so, a lot if this.

 

 

....Zander trending up?

 

 

Is this a question or a statement?

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  On 6/7/2016 at 8:34 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:31 PM, Clovdyx said:

And I know you and I approach the game with vastly different methods, but most of that seems pretty obvious to me, so you seemingly not getting any of is probably a bad sign.

 

I have some thoughts pertaining to you, but I kinda wanna see where you take this first.

 

So were different, we look at things differently and have different ways of approaching things yet me not following you on what you think of me, when I obv KNOW that Im Town is a bad sign?

 

 

It's a bad sign that you seemingly haven't grasped a lot of things I feel are pretty basic concepts.  You're not a bad player.  You're not an inexperienced player.  So yes, even though we use different methods, I would expect Town!Zander would eventually look at something I've said and say "Well, you're wrong about me, but I at least get where you're coming from."

Posted

oh lel

 

Lenlo and Darthe

 

okay

 

Lainey

BFG

Chris

seph

Sili

Dice

Katiora

 

LilyElizabeth

Liz

 

Lenlo

Darthe

Thane

 

Hallia

Zander

 

there, that should be better

Posted

what bothers me is that after reading Lenlo's opening post, which I agreed a lot with and drew some similar conclusions to, he's dropped off the radar for me

 

He hasn't been memorable, even though he's been arguing with Sili, I don't really remember much from what I read besides that opening post, seems like he's degenerated into just bickering. Not sure if the argument is even valuable to read

Posted

not sure if this is a rule on this site against talking about subbing out

 

until I find out, that is a dirty read and I won't voice it

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 8:22 PM, Clovdyx said:

Zander, what's your read on me right now?

 

Thats a really good question.

 

Im still looking for the thing I mentioned earlier to help me formulate my read with a little more certainty.

 

I mean obv we all know youre good enough to fool me.

 

Gun To Head ATP slight Town read.

 

One thing thats unsettling tho is your and BFG's interactions.  Cant quite put my finger on it tho. And the only other suspicion is youre seemingly to me at least trying to MAKE things fit, like forcing them as opposed to doing it naturally if that makes sense.

 

But youre involved, engaged, making some good points as well.  Youre not overly focused in one area,

 

I mean I dont think youve yet made any post you couldnt make as Scum.

 

I just think my paranoia of youre ability to own me will allow me to really ever have you solid Town.  Barring you mowing down Scum or getting mod cleared at some point

 

lollololololol

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  On 6/7/2016 at 2:53 PM, seph said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 6:07 PM, Niniel said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:44 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:58 AM, Niniel said:

Feeling townie: BFG, Hallia, maybe seph.

Not feeling good about: Zander, Katiora, Silly

 

 

I´m tempted to just follow BFG in this game. 

 

[v] Zander [/v]

 

 

I agree with whoever said it that it looked like Zander asked questions that wouldn´t lead anywhere.

 

You pulled this same crap in Ghostbusters.

 

This post is just overall gross.

 

Youre gonna sheep BFG for #raisins?

 

Youre voting me for #raisins as well.

 

What has Kat done to warrant a read either way at all?

 

 

This is the post you are refering to? I have answered all of this already. 

 

I don´t know what I did then compared to what I do now but there is a difference - I´m town this time.

 

BFG is the one I trust most so far.

 

I´m voting you for making "fake" questions. And it feels like you are doing it again.

 

I was wrong about Kat.

 

ok this post bugs me extremely.

earlier she said she was voting zander by sheeping bfg  right? now she is voting for the bold, which is something I brought up. I also brought this up last game, when he turned out to be town and my goal was to try and kickstart him a bit, and get him away from those types of things. when he does he is pretty obv town imo.

 

Nope read the nested quote again.

 

Niniel 'sheeping' me was mostly a joke afaict. I haven't voted Zander this game and nor had I stated either of the bolded at the time.

 

Not saying that sheeping reasons are a great look for her, but it's also a comment I agreed with at the time.

Posted

Wish, you can be suspicious of me all day, that doesnt make me scum. I'm giving opinion on a game.

 

As to your fiery comment, I don't...know what to tell you? I am doing fine.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 8:55 PM, wish-tree said:

not sure if this is a rule on this site against talking about subbing out

 

until I find out, that is a dirty read and I won't voice it

 

There's not a site rule, but it is dirty and I don't like it, so:

 

 

 

No discussion of replacement request.

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