[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Zander?]

Probably something like

 

not everyone can be mafia tinfoil territory:

Seph

Hallia

Dice

 

haven't done anything scummy yet, but not out of mafia range:

Chris

 

Differing shades of grey:

Sili

Laine

 

Null:

lily

Kat

Liz

 

True null:

Thane

 

Eh:

Niniel

Zander

Darthe

 

Ugh:

Lenlo

Wish-tree

 

Of note that Dice and Sili are the ones shifting categories the most

 

I'm not immensely happy with this list, if just because the team almost certainly isn't Lenlo, Wish-tree, Zander, Darthe, and I'm not sure more than 2 of them would actually be in the team.

 

Just wanna make sure because of the wording.

 

Is this basically from Town to Scum?

[Katiora]

I'm only posting here now to let you know that Key will be looking for a replacement for me. I won't manage to keep up with the game, the way things are going.

 

My apologies to all

 

have a few drinks on me, ok?

 

 

Hate this Thane... Hope everything gets better! :-/ 

[LilyElizabeth]

 

I got caught up for tonight. Nice to meet you Liz. You make a good first impression. I'm getting a townie vibe from all the questions you are asking. 

 

Tomorrow is busy, so I may or may not be able to keep up, depending on how much y'all post. 'Night

Hi Lily. Nice to meet you too.

 

I haven't really read a lot of your posts yet (you're one of the people I have to iso) - curious about your thoughts on Zander, Wishtree, Niniel, Dice, Darthe, and Lenlo (specifically) or anyone else (generally)

 

 

Sure.

 

Zander - He's a hard one for me to read. Gun to head - my gut says scum, but I'm not sure why. 

Wishtree - My gut has a good feel for her, but others are concerned about her, which is making me question my feel.

Nini - Leaning scum

Dice may be the hardest player on DM for me to read. No clue there

Darthe - He and I have trouble reading each other, but I'm leaning town right now.

Lenlo - Didn't really read his exchange with Sili thoroughly. Don't remember his other content. 

[Zander?]

Only two more pages! :)

 

'scuse - not zander's argument, but Seph's argument.

Hi Sili. What was Seph's argument? I do promise to iso Niniel after work, but I'm curiious about what Seph said that made you want to vote Nin when Seph isn't voting Nin.

 

 

Nina jumped in and voted for me for seph's early comment saying he felt like I was asking questions for the sake of asking them or something quite similar to that.

[Zander?]

 

I dont' want to catch up. Do I have to? Can I just wing it for the rest of the game?

 

I skipped pages 20/22 to 42 so I guess I can't say much...

 

 

I know theres a lot but this is horrible.  And its not just you.

 

How can someone possibly have a feel for the game and decent reads having not read half the game?

 

Like im ok with people that still mean to asap but to just ignore it is awful and a detriment to game solve.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok but i want quotes up to the point where you said this not AFTER.  i want to see where youre coming from.

 

The longer you take to do it kinda makes it look a little worse tho imo.

 

You're not getting them. Let me try to explain this again, since you don't seem to be understanding me. I'm OVERWHELMED by the sheer amount of posting that's going on this game. It's the worst I've played in so far on DM. You couldn't pay me to slog through all that again and get quotes for you. I will do better later on when there is less posting or specific things catch my eye. For now, I have a couple of GUT reads. 

 

If you confuse being overwhelmed with being scummy, then vote me.

 

 

Gotta treat everyone the same Lily.

 

You said you trust her I want to know why.

 

 

Did I? I thought I said she feels town to me. I don't trust any of you yet.

 

 

Ya ok.

 

Why are you liking, reading her Town

 

 

You keep asking, like you expect my answer to change. Gut feeling.

 

 

 

I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

 

 

1. What did you see that made you think that?  Based on conversations we've had about Zander in the past, I would have expected the opposite from you.

 

 

2.I saw your read on Lenore.  I don't really have any issue with it, but was there something that made you change your mind on her?  The way you phrased it kind of makes me think you're not there with her anymore?

 

3. Besides them, do you have reads on anybody else yet?

 

 

 

 

 

Joking.

 

Lenlo was a slimmy player last game. He's just as slimy this game. His reactions have a certain steadfastness that are town however.

Oh please your just crap at reading me. Don't you blame this on me. People correctly read me last game and are correctly doing so this game. You just don't like that I think other things are important that you don't and vice versa.

 

So you think Sili is town?

 

 

4, I don't think this means anything much for your alignment, but I just wanted to say, you're basically a saint

 

1. Ummm....I already explained this to Zander. Zander asking the same question over and over again without progression is what reminded me of scum!Zander. What I've heard/seen of town!Zander is that he's stubborn, but repeatedly asking things like "explain in detail this gut read that you have on player x" over and over again to the same response "it's a gut read! what else do you want me to say!" reminded me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts.

 

2. I didn't change my mind on Lenore. I said I thought she and Zander's (early) argument looked like town vs. town to me based on how I've seen her play town in the past.

 

3. Yes

 

4. Awwwww

 

 

Ive explained this but people with like 10 posts and no progression just says oh my gut says this person is X just doesnt work for me.  Again as Ive said...theres gotta be SOME reasoning for it.

[Zander?]

 

 

Ok I am caught up, but unfortunately I am not sure how much I will be around today, its robin's day off.

 

@ laine 

yea my intro post was all jokey except for the halli bit, I gave her a slight town read because she was posting comfortably.

I saw a couple of people post about my lainey/bfg comment and I could have sworn I played mafia against bfg, though I could definitely be remembering the Pokemon game, because I do remember her freaking me out when she subbed in calling me mafia lol.

 

I liked a few responses from lenlo these last few pages

alanna catch up was pretty spot on for town her, giving her a town read for it alone.

If I had to guess sili would be town more often than mafia with how he is playing so far, I am still a bit uneasy there though

 

 

My goal today is to actually reread and make some notes, because I am still unsure about zander.

I initially thought clov was framing sili in a good light until the started going back and fourth with each other. 

dice's reads concern me a bit. I doubt a town dice throws out a read of zander off of hardly nothing, I would expect him to be more cautious which I am not seeing at all here. This kinda goes back when he mentored me, and got onto m about town reading people early on without reason. I have been reading him extremely terrible but I definitely think his game is different than his last 2 town games.

niniel had a post that screamed town to me

 

town

Bfg

 

slight town

niniel

alanna

 

better than null

sili

lenlo 

 

zander.dice,clov are definitely people I want to get a better handle on

I almost wanna call clov town, for his town read on me alone. I am going to read our last game on perc soon to see if he did this, but I don't think him as mafia would ever make me one of his strongest town reads. because I am not always clear and concise and I am easy to misinterpret/push when I am not.

 

Town!DIce throws easy Town!Zander reads a fair bit.

 

I know he was asked about it but the fact he gave explanations worries me more then him just saying it tbqh...lololololol

 

Now your Nina post is gonna require quite a bit of explanation so please quote and get back to me on this...

 

What exactly about me is bothering you?

 

Ill try to find the niniel post that I liked, if i recall it was only 1 post/

I have already explained tbh. your questions just seemed to lack any umph. It's hard to describe lol, but I had the same exact problem last game. The more I am reading though the more I feel better about you though.

 

 

Fair enough.

Really wanna see that quote and some reasoning behind it.

 

Will be looking for it in my catch up.

[Zander?]

ppl voting lenlo 10 pages after i tdome him.

 

i dont understand. what did i do wrong???

 

What???

[Zander?]

 

What were you going to berate Zander on?  That post you quoted doesn't really explain your thoughts.

his whole case on me.

the sili argument he had with you. and how he doesn't understand my progression when it was right there.

I am trying to get through it all before i make a post though

 

 

What case?

 

I asked you to clarify something, I said I didnt like some of your early posts but liked some later.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Zander -

 

 

 

I think it's town on town

Where do you stand on Seph? I found him odd last game, lynched him and he flipped town. I find him odd this game to, but cant tell if its the same as last time or not. He doesnt seem as high energy as last game. As hyper, would be a better word I guess.

 

you try being hyper after getting smashed in a 60 player mash..... that game was fun but awful lol.

any particular reason you think each are town hally?

I currently have sili as the scummiest in my notes while rereading, but I still think he is tow so I am not sure what to do with that lol....

 

 

That's exactly what I meant by missing the forest.  If that sentence had ended where you stopped the highlight, I'd be with you 100%.  But it didn't, and him saying Sili is town fits completely with him being "better than null". 

 

I don't know what Seph's notes look like, but I don't see any inherent contradiction when you look at the whole thing in context.

 

Dude I disagree the sentence itself is a complete contradiction.

 

He thinks the Scummiest player is Town so he's better then null?

 

Maybe if Sili's Meta was that he IS Scummy as Town then sure but I think we can all safely say that ISNT the case.

 

As I said, I think your problem put into words is this:

Seph says Sili is his wolfiest read - OK

Seph has Sili as better then Null - Again, this is OK. It works.

Seph votes Zander - NOT OK

 

Not ok because Zander is not his wolfiest read. If Zander is below "Better then Null" then that means Sili is not his wolfiest read. Ergo he lied OR changed his mind. So Z, find posts where Seph talks about you and show us how he was reading you during those quotes.

 

this whole post made me lol.

regardless of my notes I said sili was a town read, therefore I did not think he was the scummiest person. My post was simply displaying the struggle I was having with him.

I have literally not posted who I have disliked in this game, besides some comments on zander. so please stop trying to twist things.

 

 

Like I said I still feel it was a contradiction but maybe its more an issue i have with your wording.

 

But here is another example.

[Zander?]

 

Ok well i just decided topost my thoughts on this

 

 

Zander -

 

 

 

I think it's town on town

Where do you stand on Seph? I found him odd last game, lynched him and he flipped town. I find him odd this game to, but cant tell if its the same as last time or not. He doesnt seem as high energy as last game. As hyper, would be a better word I guess.

 

you try being hyper after getting smashed in a 60 player mash..... that game was fun but awful lol.

any particular reason you think each are town hally?

I currently have sili as the scummiest in my notes while rereading, but I still think he is tow so I am not sure what to do with that lol....

 

 

That's exactly what I meant by missing the forest.  If that sentence had ended where you stopped the highlight, I'd be with you 100%.  But it didn't, and him saying Sili is town fits completely with him being "better than null". 

 

I don't know what Seph's notes look like, but I don't see any inherent contradiction when you look at the whole thing in context.

 

Dude I disagree the sentence itself is a complete contradiction.

 

He thinks the Scummiest player is Town so he's better then null?

 

Maybe if Sili's Meta was that he IS Scummy as Town then sure but I think we can all safely say that ISNT the case.

 

I don't think this is a bad post from zander tbh, he is trying to make more of it than it is but the two sentences are a obvious contradiction.

 

my sili read for anyone still confused.

Sili has done multiple things this game I kinda tie towards being mafia, which why in my notes he is the scummiest player. Now from my experience with sili I know he plays different but I usually expect a aggressive sili which you should be able to tell from my earlier interaction with him.

 

me and sili generally headbutt in most games we are in together, but it is usually when he is town and me as either alignment. The reason I have him as slight town despite my notes is simply his interaction with me and clov.

 

His responses seem genuine. I'll try to explain a bit more here.

For those who read the games, there are 2 in particular. American mafia- which if you haven't read don't... cause lol me.... and then star wars when him and yates claimed masons. When scum, and sili is confronted and pushed fairly hard he gets tense, especially when he thinks he has been caught. His posts ring extremely fake. However this game when responding to me/clov even lenlo though there wasn't a good argument imo. there he believes what he is saying and I think this is one of sili's most important town traits.

 

I also saw him say that he thinks that volume is insulting, but it isn't ment to be that way. It is just how it is, and besides you can always change it yourself bud :)

 

but this is why I posted how I did regarding him and why I have him where I put him. 

 

 

 

Hallia, on 06 Jun 2016 - 12:48 PM, said:

Clov's involvement in this looks good for him. Willingness to straighten out confusion is towny

 

zander

 

Kinda feel the same but its Chris so....not locking nothing in there yet...lololololol

This confuses me though, and its right after the above. Why are you agreeing with hallia about clov when you just called him scummy for doing this exact same thing. He was arguing a different side than you, and it bothered you.

 

 

Lenlo just bolds the parts he wants to twist imo. Did it to me too.

I will have to reread that at some point. I don't rememeber that much from it.

 

 

Clov's involvement in this looks good for him. Willingness to straighten out confusion is towny

 

Kinda feel the same but its Chris so....not locking nothing in there yet...lololololol

 

 

 

Thank you for agreeing with me.

 

Like the Sili explanation,

 

How did you get me calling Clov Scummy from that post where I agree with Hallia about him being Town...???

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Feeling townie: BFG, Hallia, maybe seph.

Not feeling good about: Zander, Katiora, Silly

 

 

I´m tempted to just follow BFG in this game. 

 

[v] Zander [/v]

 

 

I agree with whoever said it that it looked like Zander asked questions that wouldn´t lead anywhere. 

 

You pulled this same crap in Ghostbusters.

 

This post is just overall gross.

 

Youre gonna sheep BFG for #raisins?

 

Youre voting me for #raisins as well.

 

What has Kat done to warrant a read either way at all?

 

 

This is the post you are refering to? I have answered all of this already. 

 

I don´t know what I did then compared to what I do now but there is a difference - I´m town this time.

 

BFG is the one I trust most so far.

 

I´m voting you for making "fake" questions. And it feels like you are doing it again.

 

I was wrong about Kat. 

 

ok this post bugs me extremely.

earlier she said she was voting zander by sheeping bfg  right? now she is voting for the bold, which is something I brought up. I also brought this up last game, when he turned out to be town and my goal was to try and kickstart him a bit, and get him away from those types of things. when he does he is pretty obv town imo.

 

 

This is NOT the post that you said you LIKED from Nina.

 

But ya...its a bad post.

[Zander?]

 

Peace though.

 

You read too much ino 4 words or so. So obvious but if you cant admit you did wrong i dont want to force the issue.

 

I read too much into things in a game that requires me to read into things.  Go.  Figure.

 

If by "did wrong" you mean "was wrong", I actually think you're right.  My guess right now is that you're town, which mean my initial suspicion of you was wrong.  Next time I will default to "this guy doesn't know what he's doing", rather than "this guy is purposely doing it."

 

 

lololololololol

[Sili Quirrels]

I could get the humor except no.

[Clovdyx]

The TL;DR, single sentence explanation would be the things you're pushing don't seem like the kind of things you would be pushing if you were town.

 

Off the top of my head:

 

-your question to BFG about the Seph/Alanna comment.  I don't see anything wrong with what she said, and your question about her inclusion doesn't make sense.  If BFG's town, the answer is going to be "I don't need to make a read on my alignment".  On the other hand, if she's mafia she's going to say, "I don't need to make a read on my alignment."  Yet you hammered it away like it was ever going to be productive.

-your portrayal of the Seph thing.  Now, based on what he said, maybe I took it to mean something different than what he said, but you've been treating it like he claimed scum.  I read it and thought it basically translated to this.

 

"I have Sili as my scummiest player in my notes.  But I'm re-reading again.  And ya know, I think he's actually more likely to be town, even if what he's said sounds bad."

 

Not only is that kind of progression objectively good play, regardless of his alignment, it's pretty damn town.

 

-The Lenore meta thing.  I don't expect you to sit there and get pushed for things that are null.  I'm pretty sure I said you were right to correct her.  But as a heavy meta player, it doesn't make sense to me that you were basically attacking her for using what she would reasonably assume is your scum meta to scum read you.

 

"Eh, you're kinda right. I do those as mafia, but I do them a lot as town too." Reasonable response

"WTF WHY ARE YOU USING THOSE AGAINST ME.  YOU'VE ONLY SEEN ME DO THEM AS MAFIA, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUSH" Not a reasonable response.

 

And yeah, that's exaggerating it a bit, but I thought you took it well because what I would EXPECT you to.

[Zander?]

part 1ish sorta

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also ganna give sili a light town read.

dem page 4 reads are op.

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

 

I would hazard an agreement there.  Leaning town on you.  And Seph.  And BFG.  and...well no one has done anything wolfie....YET.

 

Curious as to why I'm in your lean town list?

 

Sili, why 'necessary'?

 

I like BFG pointing out the "necessary" part of Sili's phrasing. That's something that I picked up on. Actually, following the argument between seph, Sili, and BFG, I'm just lost and I don't really know where or why Sili was pushing this. 

 

I think Dice called you Town as well.

 

I dont feel youve done anything atp that puts you out of your Scum!BFG range imo.

 

 

1. I don't really understand how he can say this, and not be fine with me saying this about him.

 

2. Another thing: Zander, why did you choose to respond to this specific post? Actually, that's a general question. Why choose the posts that you respond to? How did Dice's read of BFG influence your read of him? This is a scummy post. It's low commitment, with only commentary on other people's insights, without offering anything solidly of your own. 

 

What were you thinking there? Explain it to me so I can see your thought process. What is Scum!BFG range?

 

 

 

 

Q&A time with Storktree:

1) How old were you during the 90s? I was born in 86

2) What was your favorite 90s artist/song? I adore the Spice Girls, Say You'll Be There so good.  Also REM!

3) Why are you playing this game?Because I love mafia

4) Do you prefer to work together or alone? I love to work with other townies to lynch wolves

5) What's your goal for this game (may be correlated to no. 3)?  To...beat mafia?

6) What's your favorite role to play? Doc of course 

7) What meta do you have with other players? Well Zander and I can soulread each other...

8) Describe your own meta as best as you can. I love being town? I suck as mafia? lol

 

How well do you actually feel you can read me Hallia?

 

I mean I feel I read you quite well, usually have you pegged EoD 1 or Early D2.

 

I think you know that I read you pretty well.  I have caught you before.

 

 

Mixed feelings about this exchange. Hallia, what's your soulread of Zander at this point in the game? 

 

I like the first sentence of what Hallia says, it's okay, nothing pingy. Could be better, the "I think you know" places expectation on Zander and sort of annoyance in the tone, which makes sense if Hallia assumes Zander to be familiar with her as much as she is with him. The second part unsettles me, it is unnecessary, and idk, the tone and the mindset behind "before" bothers me. Maybe a minor detail, but I don't like it. 

 

Hmmmmmm, waiting for Zander to 'catch' up

 

The quotations around catch also stand out to me, as if BFG does not believe that Zander is actually engaged in the thread. This kind of behavior I also pointed out in another post. I've seen a lot of this 'catching up' and not being involved in the thread in real time, instead, responding to quotes that are old and often past the point of discussion, unless it is something that is low content and easier to follow, from scum Zander. I noticed it when he decided to case csarmi in WoW to make it look legit when he actually eventually voted csarmi, and completely checked out of the thread. Recently, in the mash we were playing together as scum buddies, Zander again was checked out of the thread, and did mention in scum chat that he was overwhelmed. We all urged him to respond to posts that were new, but he never did, unless it was during events or ITAs. 

 

3. Here, I'm seeing less of a delay, but there's still a noticeable separation from the thread that Zander has, except during his exchanges with BFG and me. In fact, his cases against Niniel and Lenlo seem to be delayed, and he's pushing at a lot of people, but not really establishing a foothold. I don't even understand the argument he had with me or BFG, but more on that later.

 

I think BFG noticing this lack of engagement from Zander merits a slight town lean. 

 

 

I mean is your assumption i said it to cast suspicion? Then i gave up on my own wolfy accord?

 

Seems like youre just annoyed im not opening up.

partly yes, because other part is it just frankly doesn't make sense to me.

so your not exactly helping me read you

 

 

Do you feel Sili is playing differently then he normally does?

 

If so how?

 

By not opening up?

 

Do you think Sili marching to the beat of his own drum so to speak is odd?

 

 

4. What did you think about Sili? Again, another zinger (you are dripping with pond scum, Zander). Set of leading questions here: Do you feel Sili is playing differently - second question is if so, assuming you answer yes - third question is how is by not opening up, kind of providing the answer to the second question - and the last question is Sili marching to the beat of his own drum, is it odd, implying that you think that there should be an opinion that it may be odd. 

 

You attempted to guide someone to think the same way you do by asking leading questions, or at least set up an expectation of the answer that you can control. I would expect town!Zander to openly state his opinions and then ask questions separately about them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also ganna give sili a light town read.

dem page 4 reads are op.

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

 

I would hazard an agreement there.  Leaning town on you.  And Seph.  And BFG.  and...well no one has done anything wolfie....YET.

 

Curious as to why I'm in your lean town list?

 

Sili, why 'necessary'?

 

 

I think Dice called you Town as well.

 

I dont feel youve done anything atp that puts you out of your Scum!BFG range imo.

 

Don't you normally dive into your catch up 'raw' so to speak, why did you read ahead this time?

 

Is diving into catch up "raw" something that town!Zander does? Did you find him reading ahead scummy? 

 

 

Ok, thanks Sili :)

 

Seph, I think we were teammates in the only game I remember you as mafia in :p and fair :)

 

You subbed in for seph one game where I was also Scum iirc.  I think it was a WoT game perhaps.

 

 

I subbed in for Seph in the Tarpon Gai'don game, Seph subbed in for me in 9-5(?) but the only game I remember playing together when he was mafia was Pokemon, when I subbed in as mafia.

 

 

Worth noting that if Seph flips mafia Laine is probably town, but Seph is probably town anyway :p

 

 

ummmmmm what?????

 

Has Laine even posted yet......???

 

No

 

why does that change a read that's conditional on Seph being mafia. Seph said something about Laine I don't think is m/m very often, so if Seph is mafia, Laine is probably town.

 

Why aren't you questioning the fact that I've said that Sept is probably town, when you apparently disagree?

 

 

I'm still attempting to find the post that you're referring to here about Seph saying something about Laine. Could you point it out for me? 

 

5. Good catch on the second point. Zander, you are more focused on Laine being town rather than Seph's alignment, even though I'd be wary of making these sort of unflipped associatives and call BFG for making these. Why only call out one problem with this post and not all of them?

 

 

Checking in. Haven't read any of the last 6 (?) Pages. Checking out, bye.

 

NEED MORE LAINEYGOAT LDO!!!!!

 

I've already mentioned this. You say buddying w/ laine is null indicative, but that's what you said last time in WoW, I don't really know if I can trust this or not. 

 

 

 

 

I numbered responses in the spoiler:

 

1. You didnt say I was out of my Sum range you said I was Scummt for things that were Null tho.  This seems a tad twisty imo.

 

2. Again more twisty where did I say Dice read of BFG influenced my read ON ANYONE?

 

- Involvement and content and line of questioning.  She wasnt clear of that atp.  Id say shes prolly just about of it now.

 

3.  This is just straight up BS.  Ive been the one calling things out and people are sheeping ME on them FFS

 

4. Are you even reading my posts?  Im Scummy for asking questions?  Im trying to get seph to open up on Sili.  What does my opinion on Sili have to do with me getting seph's opinion on him.  This is awful.  Im not guiding anyone Im asking questions,  Id like to think as EITHER alignment youre better then this after seeing you in WoW.

 

5. Again shows youre not paying attention to the PAGES long back and forth between me and BFG.  That read had nothing to do with Laine or seph's alignment per se it was that by BFG's comment if she was Scum buddies with sepg her comment would not only lead to clearing Laine but also HERSELF.

 

6. ASK OTHERS FFS ABOUT THE CRAP I SAY IS NULL!!!!! OR READ THE THREAD AS OTHERS ARE COMMENTING ON IT THEMSELVES!!!!

[Clovdyx]

And I know you and I approach the game with vastly different methods, but most of that seems pretty obvious to me, so you seemingly not getting any of is probably a bad sign.

[LilyElizabeth]

Okay. All caught up again. Still liking Wish, even though others don't. Kat's long posts make sense and I liked her reads list. Still feeling really lost in this game, though. 

[Zander?]

 

hey kat, what exactly did you agree with zander on, in his regards to my progression?

I agreed with how you posted it it looked a little like it was you contradicting yourself. I can see what you say now, and it makes sense, but the problem is that I can't remember seeing the progression of that thought pattern in the thread. Now when you post it, it looks more like you're covering yourself instead of actually going through the thought process. But like I said yesterday I wanted to hear your explanation of how you got from "most suspicious" to "think he's town". 

 

I still understand and I'm not on board with lynching you (yet and I may never be) I would like some other people's thoughts... I'm honestly on the fence with everyone. There are so many people in here I have so little experience playing with that i'm having a hard time reading people.And there's people going after people that to me seem more town, like Zander, but I'm kinda shifty about him because I've never played in a game with him as Mafia so I really don't know what to look for, but I am not for taking people's word on other people's meta, especially when I don't know you, at all. And we have had so many hard core arguments between 2/3 people that to me were moot arguments that didn't mean anything that I feel a bit thrown off. I really feel like we're grasping at straws here and not making much progress finding scum. 

 

I mean right now we have this going down with Clov and Sili. I don't believe that either one of them really thinks the other is scum, i mean i could be reading you wrong but that's how i'm taking it, but their still arguing. The same happened with Lenlo and SIli yesterday (by the end neither of them really got anything fiured out) and with Zander and BFG. Then there have been a few genuine arguments about alignments but I have had such a hard time getting them into my head reading around the other arguments. I really need to go back and re-read most of yesterday's afternoon posts but I dread it so much.... 

 

 

/end wordy post

 

 

I like thia post because as Scum imo she'd have the opportunity to push at least someone from this list.

 

Can you elaborate on the Bold? 

[Sili Quirrels]

I mean right now we have this going down with Clov and Sili. I don't believe that either one of them really thinks the other is scum, i mean i could be reading you wrong but that's how i'm taking it, but their still arguing. The same happened with Lenlo and SIli yesterday (by the end neither of them really got anything fiured out) and with Zander and BFG.

I didn't want to talk with Lenlo, but sorry about Clov. I was offended. Still am. Probably will be until I know that Clov knows his interpretation of my posts was incorrect and there was information in the thread that would have lead him to the correct conclusion on a couple points.

[Sili Quirrels]

Instead says 'doesn't know what he's talking about'. Bah.

[Zander?]

 

so lets see

 

theres a comment in there on reading of a player   zander in fact   and you say its not worth mentioning

 

then BFG is doing work asking questions of players    this is ure comment Id already asked her the question and this isnt answering it. Nothing worth mentioning    not sure what the first bit has to do with that quote but again not worth mentioning

 

then zander answers bfg but thats just more hamemring and not worth mentioning

 

then i continue to answer BFGs follow up  and u have no idea what its in reference too  so i assume u are skimming or only looking at things regarding you   but it not worth mentioning again

 

then u miss a point  ok fair enuff 

 

 

 

2nd set

 

finally one worth mentioning that you apparently already mentioned

 

more talk about how people read someone but not worth mentioning again

 

you missed another of clovs posts

 

 

 

So  if peoples comments about how they read and to an extent what they are reading a person are not worth mentioning what IS worth mentioning iyo??

 

I find it interesting that the two things you missed both happen to be clovs. I assume they are worth mentioning as you didnt say they werent.

 

I will try to remember the last line. It might show up important later. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok but i want quotes up to the point where you said this not AFTER.  i want to see where youre coming from.

 

The longer you take to do it kinda makes it look a little worse tho imo.

 

You're not getting them. Let me try to explain this again, since you don't seem to be understanding me. I'm OVERWHELMED by the sheer amount of posting that's going on this game. It's the worst I've played in so far on DM. You couldn't pay me to slog through all that again and get quotes for you. I will do better later on when there is less posting or specific things catch my eye. For now, I have a couple of GUT reads. 

 

If you confuse being overwhelmed with being scummy, then vote me.

 

 

Gotta treat everyone the same Lily.

 

You said you trust her I want to know why.

 

 

Did I? I thought I said she feels town to me. I don't trust any of you yet.

 

 

Ya ok.

 

Why are you liking, reading her Town

 

 

You keep asking, like you expect my answer to change. Gut feeling.

 

 

 

I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

 

 

Low volume. low content players arent gonna skate by in my Town.

 

Ive got no problem with gut reads....but theres still gotta be a little substance to them.

 

Whats your problem with it?

 

Remember how you kept repeatedly asking me "why why why why why?" about Celeste in Mafia Karts?

 

Even after I repeatedly explained that I was meta reading her and that's how I knew she was town?

 

but you kept asking me why?

 

I don't have the full context, and I'll have to iso her later because I don't have enough to go on from the first 22 pages I read through, but that just pinged me. Up to that point (first 22 pages) your questioning felt like you were actually interested in answers, unlike what I saw/felt from you in mafia karts and chrono trigger

 

 

 

Sometimes I just dont like the answer Im given,.

 

But lmk know when youre completely caught up.

 

And we'll go from there.

 

 

But what is the point of repeatedly asking the same question if it doesn't get you a different answer? why not go at it from a different angle if you really think there's something there? Clogging up the thread with circular arguments that don't go anywhere just causes distractions.

 

Both times I've seen you as scum, this is the type of questioning I've seen you do that pinged me the wrong way.

 

And I'm never going to be fully caught up. I have to work in the morning.

 

 

Do we know when end of day is yet, by the way?

 

Like 2 days-ish iirc

 

you mean 2 days from now? as in wednesday?

 

 

 

I like this comment. This is what I mean with useless questions. 

 

I still don't feel better about Lenlo than I did before, though.  His defense against Sili basically boils down to the fact that Lenlo didn't say anybody was scummy, verbatim.  He's not wrong...but I don't see why Sili SHOULDN'T have read into Lenlo's post that way.  Saying somebody 'seems off' has a certain connotation to it.  It's no different than saying somebody 'sounds good'.  

 

So again, if Lenlo honestly WASN'T trying to imply a...lack of towniness?... he made that catch up post to contribute nothing.

 

And the entire time he was going back and forth with Sili over the same points, he still didn't really give any opinions that MATTER.  Even when he was saying Sili seemed like an over-committed wolf, Lenlo still treated him like he knew Sili was town.

 

 

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

 

 

 

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

I don't want to be stuck here for another 3 hours trying to communicate with a wolf when the wolf is intent on not understanding anything.

 

Quit it with the narrative. Im trying to move away from our argument because we both know the other wont budge. Fine.

 

So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future. Your not getting a lynch with just you so until other people weigh in and add something new, talk about other reads.

 

 

How do you make the red statement and the blue statements to/about the same person?

 

I like this post too. 

 

 

 

@Laine - the reason that I like BFG is that she is asking a lot of questions, follows through and is very active. Those are things that I think is TownBFG.

 

@Dice - I can´t go back and find those post now but look at the ones that Liz (and earlier Lily) brought up. It´s a lot of meaningless questioning. It seem like they are there just to be there.

 

 

 

I like Liz´s posts so far.

I was wondering if Wish would post the iso´s that she talked about and she did. I get a townie feeling from her.

Again, Lily´s posts doesn´t show any alignment but she hasn´t done anything odd yet so a very small + for her.

I like some of Clov´s posts but I don´t understand some of them because I have sometimes already forgotten about the things he is commenting on. But he gets a +.

 

I don´t mind keeping my vote on Zander.

I could vote Lenlo. 

I´m not comfortable with Kat´s posts but maybe it´s because I don´t know her? 

 

 

Yet others are saying ive not been continuing to do this.

 

This is the 3rd thing youre repeating from GB....NOT EVEN LOOKING TO REEVALUATE YOUR READ ON ME WITH TONS MORE CONTENT TO GO ON.

 

Like youve only mentioned one thing either way and NOTHING else.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

hey kat, what exactly did you agree with zander on, in his regards to my progression?

I agreed with how you posted it it looked a little like it was you contradicting yourself. I can see what you say now, and it makes sense, but the problem is that I can't remember seeing the progression of that thought pattern in the thread. Now when you post it, it looks more like you're covering yourself instead of actually going through the thought process. But like I said yesterday I wanted to hear your explanation of how you got from "most suspicious" to "think he's town". 

 

I still understand and I'm not on board with lynching you (yet and I may never be) I would like some other people's thoughts... I'm honestly on the fence with everyone. There are so many people in here I have so little experience playing with that i'm having a hard time reading people.And there's people going after people that to me seem more town, like Zander, but I'm kinda shifty about him because I've never played in a game with him as Mafia so I really don't know what to look for, but I am not for taking people's word on other people's meta, especially when I don't know you, at all. And we have had so many hard core arguments between 2/3 people that to me were moot arguments that didn't mean anything that I feel a bit thrown off. I really feel like we're grasping at straws here and not making much progress finding scum. 

 

I mean right now we have this going down with Clov and Sili. I don't believe that either one of them really thinks the other is scum, i mean i could be reading you wrong but that's how i'm taking it, but their still arguing. The same happened with Lenlo and SIli yesterday (by the end neither of them really got anything fiured out) and with Zander and BFG. Then there have been a few genuine arguments about alignments but I have had such a hard time getting them into my head reading around the other arguments. I really need to go back and re-read most of yesterday's afternoon posts but I dread it so much.... 

 

 

/end wordy post

 

 

I like thia post because as Scum imo she'd have the opportunity to push at least someone from this list.

 

Can you elaborate on the Bold? 

 

Is that a meta read?

[Katiora]

 

I like thia post because as Scum imo she'd have the opportunity to push at least someone from this list.

 

Can you elaborate on the Bold? 

 

Yes... to elaborate... From what they're saying neither one of them particularly think the other is scum. They're just arguing about phonetics lol They don't agree.. they should, to use something else.. LET IT GOOOOO LET IT GOOOOOOOOOO 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

hey seph, can you talk about how you moved from suspecting Sili to now? The cliffs would be fine, or a link to the relevant page numbers

you can read my earlier post for most of my thoughts, but during my catch up he stay consistent with his posts, which is hard for scum sili to do, atm I honestly feel like sili is never mafia 

 

There was that time I posted 300-400 times as mafia in half a game, consistently. =/

 

if your talking about star wars, you were technically town for 1 day. and eventually you game solve game to a halt imo.

 

 

seph/Zander GOAT SAVIORS OF THE GALAXY!!!!!