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  On 6/7/2016 at 5:54 AM, alannalynn said:

I dont' want to catch up. Do I have to? Can I just wing it for the rest of the game?

:unsure:

 

I skipped pages 20/22 to 42 so I guess I can't say much...

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  On 6/7/2016 at 6:01 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:24 AM, Clovdyx said:

I still don't feel better about Lenlo than I did before, though.  His defense against Sili basically boils down to the fact that Lenlo didn't say anybody was scummy, verbatim.  He's not wrong...but I don't see why Sili SHOULDN'T have read into Lenlo's post that way.  Saying somebody 'seems off' has a certain connotation to it.  It's no different than saying somebody 'sounds good'.  

 

So again, if Lenlo honestly WASN'T trying to imply a...lack of towniness?... he made that catch up post to contribute nothing.

 

And the entire time he was going back and forth with Sili over the same points, he still didn't really give any opinions that MATTER.  Even when he was saying Sili seemed like an over-committed wolf, Lenlo still treated him like he knew Sili was town.

 

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:35 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:33 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

I don't want to be stuck here for another 3 hours trying to communicate with a wolf when the wolf is intent on not understanding anything.

 

Quit it with the narrative. Im trying to move away from our argument because we both know the other wont budge. Fine.

 

So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future. Your not getting a lynch with just you so until other people weigh in and add something new, talk about other reads.

 

 

How do you make the red statement and the blue statements to/about the same person?

 

Easy? I feel that he over comitted, either tunneling or what have you can be done as either alignment, and as such was refusing to talk to me. I recognized that the argument was going nowhere because neither of us were budging. Seeing that and that Sili was still around, I wanted to get his thoughts on other people. I dont understand the disconnect between red and blue.

 

At that point in the conversation all Sili was doing was calling me a wolf, hes a wolf, lynch the wolf, never unvoting, throw him in a hole. That kind of talk just isnt helpful. It doesnt move the game or anything forward. So I tried to get him to talk about something else because I wanted the game to move forward. I wanted to see if he was a towny tunneling me hard for stupid reasons or a wolf who went to deep and knew he couldnt back out. I didnt act like I knew he was town, I acted like I didnt know his alignment and was trying to figure it out.

 

As for the catchup post, I meant to spoiler it. It was mostly to let people know id caught up, here were some small things I noticed. Nothing was particularly wolfy or towny in the early posts imo. Atleast not on their own.

 

Also my defense against Sili is that hes twisting things, stretching things, saying I said things I didnt or phrasing them in ways that werent what I meant. Sili never even tried to understand anything he just shut me down over and over and said I am a wolf. I had to fight him tooth and nail to get him to explain anything in any sort of detail, cause Sili doesnt like explaining anything to us plebeians.

 

Okay...well this sort of answers my question that you ignored before...

 

*bookmarks*

Posted

Last point

 

The big thing on Lenlo is that he isn't pushing anyone as mafia. That he didn't draw conclusions till asked and that his conclusions are 'weird' and 'odd' etc which aren't pushes.

 

This may be all that matters, Town Lenlo pushes his suspects. Need to reread him/Sili

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 6:15 AM, Clovdyx said:

Up through page 40...

 

-Hallia looks kind of good for her role in the Sili-Lenlo thing.  I already felt pretty good about her, but she sounded like she really didn't want it continuing, and I'm not sure she would call it off even if she had a dog in the fight.  

 

-Mixed feelings on Wishtree.  Tone wasn't so great on her earlier posts, and the rating intro's thing was really weird to me.  I have a hard time imaging any experienced scum would be the least bit concerned after posting, just on the premise of the Hallia/Thane's joke, so giving BFG a town lean for that is bad.  I had no issue with the way she approached Zander, and her explanation for her scumreading him makes a lot of sense FOR HER.

 

Zander is 100% correct when he says the things she's mentioning are null tells.  If you're trying to figure out Zander's alignment based on the fact he's joking or spamming, or basically clearing certain people for literally nothing, you're wrong.  

 

But for someone with ~limited experience with Zander and only knows him as mafia, it's not a huge leap for her to associate what she's seen with his scum game.  

 

-Not surprised Zander basically pushed her back, and I really don't care about that.  But for being a meta heavy player, I don't understand how Zander seemingly doesn't get where she's coming from.  Like I said, anybody that knows his town game trying to push that way should almost be strung up on principle, but unless he's prepared to argue that she OUGHT to know his town game that doesn't apply.  

 

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:39 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:34 PM, wish-tree said:

Do you not see what I'm saying?

 

you've been ticking my boxes for all the things I know of your scum meta

 

You haven't been not ticking them, therefore I had a scum lean on you that I'm trying to reevaluate and develop, except you're so focused on the part that it doesn't seem to be right that you're ignoring the fact that it is an EARLY READ AND THEREFORE SUBJECT TO CHANGE

 

I know but Im questioning them and telling you they are Null.

 

Why are you whining when you asked for this???

 

Makes no sense to me at all.

 

 

That's not wrong, but I have to think Zander would understand why "Trust me, that thing your pushing me for is null" isn't necessarily being trusted right off the bat....

 

 

The back and forth with BFG is painful.  I don't even know if it's scummy.  I just know I want to stab myself in the eye with a screwdriver for having read it.

 

Thanks for saving me a search!

 

*bookmarks this one too*

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Huh. Clov is right about those reds and blues. I don't remember Lenlo playing that way last game either.

 

His response to Clov afaict was they aren't contradictory.

 

Response to me was I was misinterpreting him.

 

Neither of his responses really matter to me.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 12:18 PM, BFG said:

Last point

 

The big thing on Lenlo is that he isn't pushing anyone as mafia. That he didn't draw conclusions till asked and that his conclusions are 'weird' and 'odd' etc which aren't pushes.

 

This may be all that matters, Town Lenlo pushes his suspects. Need to reread him/Sili

He had 3 'off' suspects. That's virtually not null.

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  On 6/7/2016 at 8:22 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:17 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

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I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

 

 

1. What did you see that made you think that?  Based on conversations we've had about Zander in the past, I would have expected the opposite from you.

 

 

2.I saw your read on Lenore.  I don't really have any issue with it, but was there something that made you change your mind on her?  The way you phrased it kind of makes me think you're not there with her anymore?

 

3. Besides them, do you have reads on anybody else yet?

 

 

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:23 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:10 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 1:30 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Joking.

 

Lenlo was a slimmy player last game. He's just as slimy this game. His reactions have a certain steadfastness that are town however.

Oh please your just crap at reading me. Don't you blame this on me. People correctly read me last game and are correctly doing so this game. You just don't like that I think other things are important that you don't and vice versa.

 

So you think Sili is town?

 

 

4, I don't think this means anything much for your alignment, but I just wanted to say, you're basically a saint :wub:

 

1. Ummm....I already explained this to Zander. Zander asking the same question over and over again without progression is what reminded me of scum!Zander. What I've heard/seen of town!Zander is that he's stubborn, but repeatedly asking things like "explain in detail this gut read that you have on player x" over and over again to the same response "it's a gut read! what else do you want me to say!" reminded me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts.

 

2. I didn't change my mind on Lenore. I said I thought she and Zander's (early) argument looked like town vs. town to me based on how I've seen her play town in the past.

 

3. Yes :wink:

 

4. Awwwww :blush: 

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 8:51 AM, Clovdyx said:

Actually there's probably a half dozen or so players I wouldn't be upset about if they were the lynch right now.

 

There's pretty much no chance I'm voting BFG, Seph, Sili, Hallia, or Alanna today.  Maybe throw in Liz and Dice.

why Dice?

Posted

Laine: I don't like that Hallia joking, it pings

Clov: That's not all that happened, what about Len?

Laine: Well I was skimming

 

 

......

 

Read the whole thing before making posts like that? Pretty sure if you had you would have seen what he was talking about. I also got Sili to give a reads list. Not the best one in the world, but better than nothing.

Posted

For me, what catches my attention is I remember Lenlo making severe statements to the effect that I was a wolf, but he never follows up. Instead there are comments where he is asking me to talk to him, aka be reasonable.

 

Lenlo seemed to believe I was a wolf. He says I refused to be reasonable. No point in continuing to ask me to be reasonable then. Based on last game would have expected Len to vote me.

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  On 6/6/2016 at 5:21 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 3:37 PM, seph said:

Ok I am caught up, but unfortunately I am not sure how much I will be around today, its robin's day off.

 

@ laine 

yea my intro post was all jokey except for the halli bit, I gave her a slight town read because she was posting comfortably.

I saw a couple of people post about my lainey/bfg comment and I could have sworn I played mafia against bfg, though I could definitely be remembering the Pokemon game, because I do remember her freaking me out when she subbed in calling me mafia lol.

 

I liked a few responses from lenlo these last few pages

alanna catch up was pretty spot on for town her, giving her a town read for it alone.

If I had to guess sili would be town more often than mafia with how he is playing so far, I am still a bit uneasy there though

 

 

My goal today is to actually reread and make some notes, because I am still unsure about zander.

I initially thought clov was framing sili in a good light until the started going back and fourth with each other. 

dice's reads concern me a bit. I doubt a town dice throws out a read of zander off of hardly nothing, I would expect him to be more cautious which I am not seeing at all here. This kinda goes back when he mentored me, and got onto m about town reading people early on without reason. I have been reading him extremely terrible but I definitely think his game is different than his last 2 town games.

niniel had a post that screamed town to me

 

town

Bfg

 

slight town

niniel

alanna

 

better than null

sili

lenlo 

 

zander.dice,clov are definitely people I want to get a better handle on

I almost wanna call clov town, for his town read on me alone. I am going to read our last game on perc soon to see if he did this, but I don't think him as mafia would ever make me one of his strongest town reads. because I am not always clear and concise and I am easy to misinterpret/push when I am not.

 

Town!DIce throws easy Town!Zander reads a fair bit.

 

I know he was asked about it but the fact he gave explanations worries me more then him just saying it tbqh...lololololol

 

Now your Nina post is gonna require quite a bit of explanation so please quote and get back to me on this...

 

What exactly about me is bothering you?

 

Ill try to find the niniel post that I liked, if i recall it was only 1 post/

I have already explained tbh. your questions just seemed to lack any umph. It's hard to describe lol, but I had the same exact problem last game. The more I am reading though the more I feel better about you though.

Posted
  On 6/6/2016 at 5:35 PM, Hallia said:

I see What you wrote. The only thing i can say in his favor is that he wrote "currently" - so it would be subjected to change? But i would like to see what he says.

Before I answer anything zander posts about my posts about sili.

hallia what exactly did you think zander caught in my posts? It obviously wasn't to hard to find my meaning if clov understood me. 

so what stood out to you exactly?

Posted

ok, well ill continue reading before i berate zander. I was literally about to post this to zander

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:42 PM, Zander said:

 

 

 

 

WTF am I framing Chris?

 

Im just quoting HIS own progression.

 

I feel like zander is skimming my posts lol. I doubt he makes this bad of a case as mafia tbh.

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:42 PM, Zander said:

 

 

 

 

WTF am I framing Chris?

 

Im just quoting HIS own progression.

 

I feel like zander is skimming my posts lol. I doubt he makes this bad of a case as mafia tbh.

Posted

tbh scum more often then not tend to try to spin my words to fit there own narrative.
clov did it a bit in mafia karts, though he cleared it up pretty well with me so i stopped sussing him.
I played offsite at jetnation and crusher tried it
kiv tried it on my last game before I left.

clov is the only one i didn't push, but zander isn't known for making cases exactly, so I am interested to see how this progresses as i read. 

Posted

Chopping the hell out of this quote.  Dashed line is obviously mine to break up the two sections I'm replying to.

 

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 10:06 AM, alannalynn said:

I agree with this post and it's something about Zander's meta that I've been avoiding bringing up. In that one game that I don't like to talk about, (my last one), Zander was scum and instead of talking to me RT to "read me", he avoided me and kept going through old posts in my ISO. I thought it was so strange that he was burying himself in old posts like that, digging up dirt that I'd already cleared up. If he was also staying current with the thread, that would have been unnecessary, but his avoidance was intentional, obv.

Lenny, the buddying is null, imo.
Btw, I feel you're town this game and I hope I'm right. I would like to talk to Stork though, if you'd let him out more often, pls.

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I agree that neither Lenlo nor Zander are transparent, but Sili being less transparent isn't all that odd. Though I'm not sure transparent is the right word with him, more so that he's usually cryptic, whereas the other two are not, at least from my perspective. But Sili is clearly town this game, but perhaps not communicating well with players like Seph or Lenlo? I don't think that makes Seph or Sili any less town; Lenlo is scummy of his own merit. I think I remember Wish jumping in confused on that, but so did I and Zander before going back and reading in context.

#722 Zander you don't think I read you well? This goes against our buddying narrative....

p38 BFG sounding frustrated... probably more than frustrated. I can't read you people when you yell back and forth and get nowhere productive.

#800 and the linked post where Katiora ties herself to Zander purposely is gross

Skimming these last few pages because exhausted

Liz is okay

I'm going to bed. tomorrow starts my weekend so I should be around more and interacting in real time, I'm sorry all I've done thus far is catch up. <3 Goodnight

 

I don't know if I think that means anything towards Zander or not.  I'm not inclined to disagree with the idea he approached you that way in Mafia Karts, but having been on his team, I'm not sure it was ever intentional.  I think how Zander approaches certain people - you being include - might be somewhat alignment indicative in regards to breathing room/room to work, but the actual way that is presented...not sure.

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 11:40 AM, BFG said:

I'll talk more about Sili later, he's nowhere near a priority for me at this point. I disagree about the transparency thing. He isn't a linear thinker, but his reads/thoughts are generally 'open' and heavily influenced by thread flow at the time.

 

I have no idea what you two mean by transparent here.  If you mean in terms of laying his thought process out there, I side more with Alanna than BFG.  But I also don't think Sili goes out of his way to deliberately avoid opening up, and I don't know there's a significant difference in his approach this game to his town games that I've seen (though, admittedly, I kind of skipped over 90% of his posts and agreed with him blindly to unleash him on the thread in MK.  Sue me.)

 

 

Do you feel he hasn't been open or responsive to the thread, BFG?  

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 2:34 PM, Clovdyx said:

What were you going to berate Zander on?  That post you quoted doesn't really explain your thoughts.

his whole case on me.

the sili argument he had with you. and how he doesn't understand my progression when it was right there.

I am trying to get through it all before i make a post though

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