[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[alannalynn]

P 25-26ish Sili/Lenlo back and forth is boring and feels unimportant. I still feel Sili is town, he seems very loose and Sili-like, Lenlo is nullish leaning scum, but always starts that way; I'm not sure I understand why this exchange is supposed to be important or life changing (shrug)

I like that Kat is trying to supply some reads despite thread length

I really wish people would trim their multiquotes

#528 @anyone is Lenlo likely be less... instigating(?) as scum? Zander can't answer this because they have a feud and it wouldn't help. Want unbiased opinion.

#534 Hally is pinging becasue I feel like Sili and Lenlo are having a serious conversation and she's still joking. @Hally what are your thoughts on that exchange they were having in the latter 20s pages? I see you say that they were nitpicking, do you think they're v/v? If so, why not diffuse the situation (which was largely unhelpful, imo) rather than ignore it and let it happen?

I wouldn't mind pressure on Lenlo, his posts this game are largely useless to me. A summary post and an argument with Sili about semantics. For example, #586 pings because he's steering Sili in a bad light when Sili HAS been explaining himself, in Sili-fashion but Lenlo isn't conceding any points, instead he's doing things like this.
[v]Lenlo[/v]

Agree with Zander re: Nini on #575

#579 Zander you asked if I had questions for you currently: no, I'm watching atm, sorry if it seems like I'm not interacting directly with you much, I'm less biased if I just pay attention.
re: expanding my points on Lenlo: I posted some points above. As for my first catch up post (I swear I wont always be in catch up mode), I said that Lenlo's first post did nothing for me and that he was losing points. The first post was that commentary "wot", the other posts that bothered me are spoiled below:

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  On 6/6/2016 at 1:25 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:24 AM, seph said:

lenlo did you get anything from the catchup post or not?
regardless its a decent rundown

Your off, Zander sees what I see, Sili is off, Hallia is different, Laine is absent, BFG has weird reasoning.

 

This post (I thought there was more that bothered me, apparently not).

Seph is off: how? why? I don't get this point. In his commentary he said that one of Seph's posts was weird but doesn't give any more detail or other posts that would explain why he thinks Seph is off. Personally, I think Seph is fine.

Agreeing with Zander? lol when pigs fly

Sili is off: I disagree

Hally is different: She's really lighthearted this game but she's been that before. Also, different from what?

I'm absent. Okay. So were Katoria, Liz, Lily, etc. Why am I being called out?

BFG weird reasoning. Explique?

I hate this post because it's so friggen vague and tells me nothing. weird, different, off =/= scum or town or any kind of reads that I can use to gauge Lenlo's alignment. Additionally, I find that when Lenlo is town, I agree with him. That I'm not agreeing with his conclusions here worries me.

In response to #580, Zander, I don't know yet.

@Zander: talk to me about Katoria town meta? #594

//pausing top of 31

[Clovdyx]

I agree with most of that, but your opening sentence confuses me.  You say the conversation was unimportant, but you say Hallia is pinging you for joking during it and you push Lenlo for posts he's making during it.  Shouldn't...that make it important?

 

Also, I'm pretty sure she did try to diffuse the situation.  IIRC she said she thought both were town and basically told them to walk away and look at other things.  Though I'm not sure exactly what page that part of the conversation was on.

[Clovdyx]

I agree with most of that, but your opening sentence confuses me.  You say the conversation was unimportant, but you say Hallia is pinging you for joking during it and you push Lenlo for posts he's making during it.  Shouldn't...that make it important?

 

Also, I'm pretty sure she did try to diffuse the situation.  IIRC she said she thought both were town and basically told them to walk away and look at other things.  Though I'm not sure exactly what page that part of the conversation was on.

[Clovdyx]

I agree with most of that, but your opening sentence confuses me.  You say the conversation was unimportant, but you say Hallia is pinging you for joking during it and you push Lenlo for posts he's making during it.  Shouldn't...that make it important?

 

Also, I'm pretty sure she did try to diffuse the situation.  IIRC she said she thought both were town and basically told them to walk away and look at other things.  Though I'm not sure exactly what page that part of the conversation was on.

[Clovdyx]

It's not letting me post my reply, so going to bed before my meeting.  

[alannalynn]

Referring to the topic. Like, what was the point of it?

 

You're wrong

No, you're wrong

No, you're wrong

 

That's basically what it was, though both were totally serious like it's some huge deal, when they're arguing over nothing. Tone of argument made Hally feel out of place. She didn't call them v/v until later but the joke in the middle is what caught my eye. Instead of jumping in and saying "guys, stfu" she joked and worked her way to that, letting it go on longer than it should have.

[alannalynn]

Mehh I'm skimming anyways. giving feels. DM is being slow af

[dicetosser1]

 

Zander, on 07 Jun 2016 - 02:46 AM, said:

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:46 PM, Zander said:

 

dicetosser1, on 06 Jun 2016 - 7:11 PM, said:

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

BFG  whats weirding you out?  that i didnt give a definite answer Zander is town/mafia?  I do have to take time to make a read sometimes you know and he has not been super obvious town zander that i pick up on 2 posts or so

 

How has BFG been super obv Town then iyo?

 

Youve popped into threads and gave me pretty quick and easy Town reads before so its not all that common for you to need that much time to read me correctly.

 

 

i think shes pretty obvious yeah.  that early post swung it for me  her coming in early questioning sili  the tone the question   pure town BFG

 

as for you  i do dop that somethime  but sometimes u ARNT clear early  and i havent cleared u yet so deal with it

[dicetosser1]

Niniel, on 07 Jun 2016 - 04:07 AM, said:

 

 

Zander, on 07 Jun 2016 - 02:44 AM, said:

 

 

Niniel, on 06 Jun 2016 - 6:58 PM, said:

 

 

This is the post you are refering to? I have answered all of this already. 

 

I don´t know what I did then compared to what I do now but there is a difference - I´m town this time.

 

BFG is the one I trust most so far.

 

I´m voting you for making "fake" questions. And it feels like you are doing it again.

 

I was wrong about Kat. 

 

 

well that got butchered  @ NINEL    that is SOOO hard to remember!     what Fake questions did Zander ask?

Niniel, on 07 Jun 2016 - 04:07 AM, said:

  On 6/6/2016 at 6:07 PM, Niniel said:

 

Zander, on 07 Jun 2016 - 02:44 AM, said:

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:44 PM, Zander said:

 

Niniel, on 06 Jun 2016 - 6:58 PM, said:

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:58 AM, Niniel said:

Feeling townie: BFG, Hallia, maybe seph.

Not feeling good about: Zander, Katiora, Silly

 

 

I´m tempted to just follow BFG in this game. 

 

Vote: Zander

 

 

I agree with whoever said it that it looked like Zander asked questions that wouldn´t lead anywhere. 

 

You pulled this same crap in Ghostbusters.

 

This post is just overall gross.

 

Youre gonna sheep BFG for #raisins?

 

Youre voting me for #raisins as well.

 

What has Kat done to warrant a read either way at all?

 

 

This is the post you are refering to? I have answered all of this already. 

 

I don´t know what I did then compared to what I do now but there is a difference - I´m town this time.

 

BFG is the one I trust most so far.

 

I´m voting you for making "fake" questions. And it feels like you are doing it again.

 

I was wrong about Kat. 

 

 

[dicetosser1]

Katiora, on 07 Jun 2016 - 04:30 AM, said:

  On 6/6/2016 at 6:30 PM, Katiora said:

 

Clovdyx, on 07 Jun 2016 - 03:38 AM, said:

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:38 PM, Clovdyx said:

Zander, you asked me to help you read me.  I'm going to do the same for you because I feel like I should probably feel better about you than I do.  A lot of the questions you asked made very little sense to me, and a lot of the things you're looking at remind me of your approach in Mafia Karts.

 

That Seph quote, for example.  Either you're deliberately trying to make him look bad, or you're so focused on the tree you're missing the forest.

 

 

Zander - He does that a lot that I've seen lol... sometimes he's right... sometimes he's not so right... sometimes he tries to look like he's doing that so he can get a response... *shrugs* I have seen nothing out of Zander (as of yet) that makes me at all suspicious of him.

 

Hallia seems Townie. Just the feel I get from playing with her before.

 

Niniel - I don't know that I've ever Played with Niniel before. I am not getting what her pull is on Zander, and I think it's weird that she tried to throw me under the bus for something that isn't me. Considering how easy it was to prove that was not right, I honestly think it COULD be a mistake and maybe she could have thought I was someone else... Or maybe she was just trying to get me killed and thought no one else would know who in the heck i was and she'd be able to BS through lynching a townie and saying it was META lol. *shrugs* She's one I'll keep an eye on. 

 

Lenlo and Sili..... Ya'll are killin me with the back and forth thing. On the one hand you have Sili, that I've only played one game with and he posted like none.. And he's posting A LOT right now. That makes me want to lean him more town. Lenlo... I don't know him very well and I'm not sure if i've played with him or not. Honestly you're both semi-town to me. Almost every game I've seen an argument like ya'll have had and it's almost always two towns. WIth the exception of maybe Zander in the game i played in Thankandar... He was right and had a wolf.... lol But ya'll are just going at each other... and i think you need to back off because no one else is seeing stuff ya'lls way... maybe you should back step and get a new perspective? 

 

Seph... ehhhhh I see Zander's point about the progression. I'm not sure that's enough to condemn you on it's own. Though I don't get the voting Zander thing... Not at all. That to me is the worst of it. "I feel bad about this person... Ooo ZANDER." lol Yeah that doesn't look good. And to me there's just not a lot of reasoning. I would love to hear an explanation here. It kinda looks like you just voted that because Nin did..... not a good look for either of you. 

 

Darthe - eh I don't know about. He's pretty null. Haven't gotten a lot of info from him really. (though i know you'll say the same about me) 

 

BFG - also null. 

 

Clov... Not sure about... sure going after Zander hard. I'm not sure if that's cause the rest of us are half-towning him and he's wanting to prove he's town or if he knows something we don't or what... He sure seems insistent on it though. I just really don't see WHY though. 

 

Alanna - no clue. lol pure null

 

Dice - I feel ok about. Nothing specific. I just don't get a mafia vibe from him. This could change very quickly. 

 

Everyone else - Null. There's a lot of people that haven't posted much for the amount of posts that there are already in the game... sheesh. I had to go to page 1 to look at the list cause I couldn't remember half the people that's supposed to be in this game. 

 

 

So if I had to choose one that was most suspicious it would probably be Seph just cause I don't get the voting pattern. But I'd like to hear more before voting. I'd like to hear the logic behind the Zander vote it's just weird how that happened.  

 

 

 

And I'd love to get through typing this... ya'll have put on like 10 pages since I started.... well... more like five but still lol... 

 

 

[dicetosser1]

wish-tree, on 07 Jun 2016 - 06:05 AM, said:

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:05 PM, wish-tree said:

I just think you're more serious as town, it's not a problem that I have specifically with joking IN GENERAL. 

 

It's a meta thing that I think should hold true.

 

 

 

blinks. Hes WHAT as town?

 

[alannalynn]

Andd picking back upp (catch up pt 2)

@STORK: I asked about you as a person please talk to meeeee?????????????????

#610 #613 A+ posts Clov

p32 Starting to think Zander just looks a little bad. The Seph (Sili's alignment) thing is strange because Zander made a conclusion, Clov corrected him, but Zander went back to the post saying it's contradictory. I think Seph's uncertainty about Sili is townie whereas Zander trying to paint it in a bad light is scummy.

@Niniel Why would you follow BFG if you can't be sure she's town? Additionally, what makes you think that BFG is town this game?
 

  On 6/6/2016 at 6:08 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 6:06 PM, Hallia said:

Sili, could you give meeee some reads? Even if tentative?

you town
zander town maybe
darthe town maybe
clov town
bfg town
laine town
seph town maybe
lenlo maybe
nin maybe wolf

 

Don't hate this at all. Didn't expect reads from Sili. He growed up!

#662 townie post from Kat, reads list just feels nice to me, not contrived, which is nice. If she's truly uncomfortable as mafia, it's not here. No clue how I'm pure null though LOL

@Sili what made you change your mind about Lenlo?
 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:03 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:00 PM, Zander said:

Like what similarities Lenbot?

I'm going through the first 20ish pages aorn and I keep seeing you buddy certain people (Laine comes to mind), ping out certain posts way after they were made, an indication that you aren't caught up to or engaged in the current pace of the thread.

It reminds me so much of your play in the mash where you were behind all game and would respond to posts after they were no longer relevant. The delay time is a little better/less here, but there's still that noticeable gap. That's probably my biggest scum tell for you. The buddying + the delay.

 

I agree with this post and it's something about Zander's meta that I've been avoiding bringing up. In that one game that I don't like to talk about, (my last one), Zander was scum and instead of talking to me RT to "read me", he avoided me and kept going through old posts in my ISO. I thought it was so strange that he was burying himself in old posts like that, digging up dirt that I'd already cleared up. If he was also staying current with the thread, that would have been unnecessary, but his avoidance was intentional, obv.

Lenny, the buddying is null, imo.
Btw, I feel you're town this game and I hope I'm right. I would like to talk to Stork though, if you'd let him out more often, pls.
 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:06 PM, BFG said:

 

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  On 6/6/2016 at 1:06 PM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 10:13 AM, BFG said:

@Laine I have the opposite problem, too many people I find 'off' at the moment :(

Fwiw I think Seph has randed town since he came back from his break, so the games you had were probably his most recent as mafia. I know before I subbed into Pokemon I had him as lock mafia, but can't remember if I mentioned it in the QT, so in your case even though you don't have much it's more than most. As for including us and not others, I don't know - I'm not a particularly scary player when town, nor do I do particularly well at leading lynches, would need a lot more info to hazard a guess

That explanation on Zander actually makes sense and I'll reread later with that in mind.

Umm I'm kinda lazy, who all is off and why in a concise list pls?

Yeah those are my only two.. Mass Effect created the Zander-Alanna magic that you see today, it was June of last year and British Monarchy was July. I haven't been in any recent games with wolf!Seph.

Lemme know what you think when you reread that exchange?

 

None of Lenlo, Zander or Sili are being particularly transparent

I liked Sili's opening but had issues with his responses to Seph's questions

Wish joining the 'linking' argument without seemingly remembering it stood out

 

I agree that neither Lenlo nor Zander are transparent, but Sili being less transparent isn't all that odd. Though I'm not sure transparent is the right word with him, more so that he's usually cryptic, whereas the other two are not, at least from my perspective. But Sili is clearly town this game, but perhaps not communicating well with players like Seph or Lenlo? I don't think that makes Seph or Sili any less town; Lenlo is scummy of his own merit. I think I remember Wish jumping in confused on that, but so did I and Zander before going back and reading in context.

#722 Zander you don't think I read you well? This goes against our buddying narrative....

p38 BFG sounding frustrated... probably more than frustrated. I can't read you people when you yell back and forth and get nowhere productive.

#800 and the linked post where Katiora ties herself to Zander purposely is gross

Skimming these last few pages because exhausted

Liz is okay

I'm going to bed. tomorrow starts my weekend so I should be around more and interacting in real time, I'm sorry all I've done thus far is catch up. <3 Goodnight

[dicetosser1]

dammit i cut #960 down!!!\

 

 

@kat   twice uve said ure read on me could "change quickly"   why?

[dicetosser1]

stoopid quotes

 

@ninel   What questions did Zander ask that were fake?

[dicetosser1]

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:44 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:35 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:34 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:26 AM, seph said:

to iso click the magnifying glass on the type right next to the search bar

 

type in the name

 

towards the bottom

click on as posts.

and swich descending to ascending

Thanks, but I don't see the "as posts" part?

 

 

its a little circle click box

 

Okay, i found the "as posts" but it's still not giving me her posts, just the mentions/quotes

 

I'm too tired to figure this out tonight. I'll tackle it tomorrow.

 

Nobody but Silli answered my question about SK!Sili

 

I have some thoughts and stuff...but will sort through and post (some of) them later...

 

I'm tired and almost wound up posting this response within the quotes, so that's a sign that I should go to bed...

 

If I get up early enough I'll check in in the morning. Otherwise it will be after work and hopefully not a gajillion more pages :(

 

Dice...I'm watching you >.>

 

Darthe...I'm watching you too >.>

 

Goodnight!

 

 

Poses and flashes his muscles for Liz

 

unvote

 

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 7:36 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 10:58 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:35 AM, dicetosser1 said:

so lets see

 

theres a comment in there on reading of a player   zander in fact   and you say its not worth mentioning

 

then BFG is doing work asking questions of players    this is ure comment Id already asked her the question and this isnt answering it. Nothing worth mentioning    not sure what the first bit has to do with that quote but again not worth mentioning

 

then zander answers bfg but thats just more hamemring and not worth mentioning

 

then i continue to answer BFGs follow up  and u have no idea what its in reference too  so i assume u are skimming or only looking at things regarding you   but it not worth mentioning again

 

then u miss a point  ok fair enuff 

 

 

 

2nd set

 

finally one worth mentioning that you apparently already mentioned

 

more talk about how people read someone but not worth mentioning again

 

you missed another of clovs posts

 

 

 

So  if peoples comments about how they read and to an extent what they are reading a person are not worth mentioning what IS worth mentioning iyo??

 

I find it interesting that the two things you missed both happen to be clovs. I assume they are worth mentioning as you didnt say they werent.

 

 

I love the bolded part at the bottom.

 

Not sure where you're going with the very bottom, Dice, though maybe I can venture a guess.  Can you explain it for me?

 

i want to see lens answer first

[BFG]

I'll talk more about Sili later, he's nowhere near a priority for me at this point. I disagree about the transparency thing. He isn't a linear thinker, but his reads/thoughts are generally 'open' and heavily influenced by thread flow at the time.

[BFG]

I need a bit more distance from Zander to read him properly

[BFG]

@Laine can you explain what you think is different between Zander catching up as town or mafia?

[BFG]

Chris you'd miss it if I ever gave you an easy read :p

[BFG]

Probably something like

 

not everyone can be mafia tinfoil territory:

Seph

Hallia

Dice

 

haven't done anything scummy yet, but not out of mafia range:

Chris

 

Differing shades of grey:

Sili

Laine

 

Null:

lily

Kat

Liz

 

True null:

Thane

 

Eh:

Niniel

Zander

Darthe

 

Ugh:

Lenlo

Wish-tree

 

Of note that Dice and Sili are the ones shifting categories the most

 

I'm not immensely happy with this list, if just because the team almost certainly isn't Lenlo, Wish-tree, Zander, Darthe, and I'm not sure more than 2 of them would actually be in the team.

[Lizabeth]

Only two more pages! :)

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:34 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

'scuse - not zander's argument, but Seph's argument.

Hi Sili. What was Seph's argument? I do promise to iso Niniel after work, but I'm curiious about what Seph said that made you want to vote Nin when Seph isn't voting Nin.

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/7/2016 at 4:28 AM, LilyElizabeth said:

I got caught up for tonight. Nice to meet you Liz. You make a good first impression. I'm getting a townie vibe from all the questions you are asking. 

 

Tomorrow is busy, so I may or may not be able to keep up, depending on how much y'all post. 'Night

Hi Lily. Nice to meet you too.

 

I haven't really read a lot of your posts yet (you're one of the people I have to iso) - curious about your thoughts on Zander, Wishtree, Niniel, Dice, Darthe, and Lenlo (specifically) or anyone else (generally)

[BFG]

Issues with Wish-tree may clear up in a reread

 

Nudged the linking argument

 

There's something really odd/off about her interactions with Zander I can't quite explain, and is possibly 2 ways. It reads like she's baiting him almost.

 

Did ISOs without sharing anything from them

 

Questionnaire (last seen when she was mafia, but I can't imagine is anything other than null in reality) that she hasn't done anything with yet

 

OP analysis started and then mostly ignored

 

 

Stork 'difficult' to read when mostly absent

 

 

 

It just feels like a lot of makework at this point

 

need to ISO her to see if there's anything real :/

[BFG]

Hi Liz, I'm afraid I skimmed your posts if there was anything for me I'll get to it later :)

 

Back later

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:24 AM, Clovdyx said:

I still don't feel better about Lenlo than I did before, though.  His defense against Sili basically boils down to the fact that Lenlo didn't say anybody was scummy, verbatim.  He's not wrong...but I don't see why Sili SHOULDN'T have read into Lenlo's post that way.  Saying somebody 'seems off' has a certain connotation to it.  It's no different than saying somebody 'sounds good'.  

 

So again, if Lenlo honestly WASN'T trying to imply a...lack of towniness?... he made that catch up post to contribute nothing.

 

And the entire time he was going back and forth with Sili over the same points, he still didn't really give any opinions that MATTER.  Even when he was saying Sili seemed like an over-committed wolf, Lenlo still treated him like he knew Sili was town.

 

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:35 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:33 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

I don't want to be stuck here for another 3 hours trying to communicate with a wolf when the wolf is intent on not understanding anything.

 

Quit it with the narrative. Im trying to move away from our argument because we both know the other wont budge. Fine.

 

So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future. Your not getting a lynch with just you so until other people weigh in and add something new, talk about other reads.

 

 

How do you make the red statement and the blue statements to/about the same person?

 

You saw what I saw

 

I think Sili has been weirdly defensive and self-contradictory this game too but...that seems to be Sili. I don't know Lenlo.