[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Zander?]

 

I said you thought you might be kicking dirt on him.  That pretty much implies you're deliberately trying to make him look scummy when he doesn't.  Unless I think you're doing that as town for the fun of it (spoiler: I don't), that should give SOME idea of my take on your alignment at this point.

You said, I felt better about 'him' in a sentence where the only subject was me. And idk. It didn't seem like you had established such a strong wolf read of me to busy yourself with post-flip speculation.

 

 

Incidentally I do find the post-flip speculation early day 1 to be quite silly indeed.

 

Post flip speculation???

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

What do you mean by how he frames his ideas?  I thought his catch up post was basically meaningless - a big recap that didn't do much to show his thought process, so I don't have an issue with the vote, but I'm not following your explanation.

 

Like how he casts suspicion, and how he says his meta is always like this, and his comments about thread flow that seem like tmi to me.

 

 

Pg 1-3 = Intro lols. Sili gets on Wish for her Q&A (#58). Dont see the problem.

 

 

Pg 4 = Seph made a really weird post (#62). Not wolfy just weird. Im not sure if I read it correctly. I dont get why Sili is saying he and Hallia are easy and necessary reads (#68). Really not sure what thats supposed to mean but it bugs me.

 

Pg 5 = Its way to early for town reads imo. Theres been nothing but jokey intro posts that arnt indicative of anything meaningful. No u (#94). Yo (#99)

 

Pg 6 = Sili abandons an argument I didnt even know was an argument (#102). What? Where is this coming from? Why Laine? Is this last game?! (#106). Seems to me that this page is just people tip toeing around a bush while talking about another bush. Nothing here really... matters.

 

Pg 7-8 = I never found him (#135). :( (#143). Really? I dont think ive seen him D1 mislynched before so I dont know where this acertain is coming from. Though ill agree its dif from last game. Ill have to see how much dif as the game goes (#151). 

 

Pg 9 = Zander caught what I did (#161).  BFG give me your reasoning on why if Seph is wolf Laine isnt. Cause that game out of left field and I really am curious (#171). Its all I ever am dude (#180).

 

Dunno what you mean ref 161.

Pg 10-11 = Jack all. Nothing important cause nothing caught my eye. BFG that reasoning just doesnt stick with me. Its way to small to make that big a claim. No dice (#215). 

 

Pg 12 = If by action you mean jumping at shadows and debating he said she said sure (#229). 

 

Pg 13-15 = Not much. TELL ME WHERE YOU KNOW ME FROM STORK. I MUST KNOW THE STORY (#270). 

 

One thing that bugs me is just Hallia is very... feisty? I dunno its different from what I expect from both alignments for her so im not really using it to judge her just yet. Its just... different.

 

Also im caught up. Eat your heart out.

 

 

I didn't bold stuff I didn't know about. It seems to me like Lenlo is focusing on stuff that is weird but not necessarily wolfy on purpose. At other times it's just a tmi statement like 'jumping at shadows' even though he himself is doing just that I believe - i.e. Hallia is very... feisty?

 

 

It feels like a recap post mostly imo.

 

Im not following your TMI and Hallia part at all.

 

you're allowed to not follow me.

[Zander?]

 

 

I said you thought you might be kicking dirt on him.  That pretty much implies you're deliberately trying to make him look scummy when he doesn't.  Unless I think you're doing that as town for the fun of it (spoiler: I don't), that should give SOME idea of my take on your alignment at this point.

You said, I felt better about 'him' in a sentence where the only subject was me. And idk. It didn't seem like you had established such a strong wolf read of me to busy yourself with post-flip speculation.

 

 

You're right - I did.  It was at the end of a paragraph where I was explaining why I feel good about Seph.  Beyond that, you can't possibly have thought I was saying "Sili is kicking dirt on Seph to see if anything sticks, which makes Sili good."

 

I don't need a strong read on you for association.  I think your case was garbage and was more likely meant to make him look bad than be a genuine argument against him.  That's not typically done to somebody who is town.  I'll give you that you would have no way of knowing Seph's alignment as town but I'm willing to play the odds.

 

 

Chris can you dumb this down for me man?

Like the whole Sili thing.

 

Cause everything youre saying read to me like you do think Sili is Scum but you earlier said you didnt say that.

 

But everything im reading indicates to me that you do.

 

Basically please make yourself easier for me to read brother.

 

<3 <3 <3

[Sili Quirrels]

You're not saying anything I can respond to.

 

Lot of air.

[Zander?]

 

In case you cant remember, last game was not particularly good game for me on a multitude of levels. Check any of the other games and I can guarantee you, this will appear in the ones where I am not present for the start of D1 or long spans of time. Its how I catch up.

 

My objection here is small, but I think I'm going to be asked about it anyway so I'll explain in advance my impression.  I feel like he is giving too much breath to the dialogue for a villager who thinks I am a wolf. And the last bold reads almost like he is trying to excuse himself.

 

Again, a small thing. There is lot's of variance in such tonal reads.

 

 

Is it just me or is Sili using too many words?

 

Like Town Sili normally posts a lot of small quick blurbs whereas this game he seems to be expanding more...

 

Its a little weird to me.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

I said you were probably my best bet.  That doesn't mean I think you're mafia.  All it means is I think you're more likely than most other people.  And I feel like I made it very clear that I didn't understand your argument with Seph, and you refusing to explain anything doesn't exactly inspire confidence.  

 

 

You don't understand why it matters to me that you seem like you're lying?  

 

I already explained it though.

 

I can restate it if you wish.

 

I will assume you wish it.

 

I was suspicious of Seph for other reasons. I wanted to interrogate him. I felt like his reads were reads he would make as a wolf too.

 

Then I changed my mind. Decided to vote Wish instead. Dropped Seph.

 

 

Okay, I went back to check this.   First, you voted Wish before you even addressed Seph.  Second, you stated yesterday that you didn't even know his scum game.

 

 

Cause I don't know his wolf game I don't know what is necessary for wolf Seph to do.

 

 

You can't have it both ways.  Either you feel those were reads that he would do as mafia, or you don't know his approach as mafia.  

 

Third, you haven't done anything else to explain why you changed you rmind.

 

I know people I think is the rub. I learn about people, I get a feel for them, and I extrapolate their ranges and general tendencies. Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes right. Nevertheless it's how I operate. I believe Seph knows he reads us as town as a wolf, so he reads us as a wolf there too - it's quite straightforward in this case.

 

Can hardly call it an argument for why Seph is a wolf though. I was just about to fos him and then I thought a little more about stuff.

 

 

ummmmm what?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

In case you cant remember, last game was not particularly good game for me on a multitude of levels. Check any of the other games and I can guarantee you, this will appear in the ones where I am not present for the start of D1 or long spans of time. Its how I catch up.

 

My objection here is small, but I think I'm going to be asked about it anyway so I'll explain in advance my impression.  I feel like he is giving too much breath to the dialogue for a villager who thinks I am a wolf. And the last bold reads almost like he is trying to excuse himself.

 

Again, a small thing. There is lot's of variance in such tonal reads.

 

 

Is it just me or is Sili using too many words?

 

Like Town Sili normally posts a lot of small quick blurbs whereas this game he seems to be expanding more...

 

Its a little weird to me.

 

 

I have played many games more thoughtful than spontaneous.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Third, you haven't done anything else to explain why you changed you rmind.

 

Seph's attitude started to remind me of last game more I thought about it. I had doubts and thought Wish's focus on her Q&A was wolfier. Though Wish's response to my vote was good.

 

 

I think you said this earlier in the game irt to me unless Im thinking someone else...???

 

Im catching up now.  Ill try to go back later and look to see if it fits into your progression on him if Im remembering correctly.

 

 

I told y'all not to have 20 damn pages.

 

I'm home, gonna watch Game of Thrones and eat then I'll catch up. Sili you gonna be around for a bit? Chris?

Sure.

 

You seem like town.

 

 

How so?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

ummmmm what?

 

Obvious typo is obvious.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

Third, you haven't done anything else to explain why you changed you rmind.

 

Seph's attitude started to remind me of last game more I thought about it. I had doubts and thought Wish's focus on her Q&A was wolfier. Though Wish's response to my vote was good.

 

 

I think you said this earlier in the game irt to me unless Im thinking someone else...???

 

Im catching up now.  Ill try to go back later and look to see if it fits into your progression on him if Im remembering correctly.

 

 

I told y'all not to have 20 damn pages.

 

I'm home, gonna watch Game of Thrones and eat then I'll catch up. Sili you gonna be around for a bit? Chris?

Sure.

 

You seem like town.

 

 

How so?

 

 

Nothing much to it. Her posts felt spontaneous and town was my reaction.

[Zander?]

Hi Laine :)

 

I have 20 minutes or so, then I need to get ready for work :(

 

BFG how come you never followed about when you asked me for reads and I only posted my name in Blue. yet you questioned me over what I thought was pretty obv irt the whole connects thing, and I think you later admitted to knowing what I was talking about?

 

Its a little strange to me.

[Katiora]

OMG... 25 pages!?! Really?? *headdesk* Ok... <.< Can I bribe ya'll to quit talking while I try to read the thread??? lol >.> 

[Zander?]

Actually it seems like the sort of thing I might say as a wolf to wolf Seph, but don't take my word for it. WAFO

 

This kinda reminded me of some posts from your SK game....

[Sili Quirrels]

I think you said this earlier in the game irt to me unless Im thinking someone else...???

 

To be exact I said seph's tone reminded me of lasat game, and that maybe you didn't remember because you were a wolf.

[Zander?]

OK stopping on pg 22.

 

Gotta bail for a bit.  Be back after to get caught up and then some real time.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Actually it seems like the sort of thing I might say as a wolf to wolf Seph, but don't take my word for it. WAFO

 

This kinda reminded me of some posts from your SK game....

 

Muhahahaha.

[Hallia]

ZANDER THAT GOT

 

Adding Derf to my not wtl pile. Not a town read yet, but not scummy

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

Pg 1-3 = Intro lols. Sili gets on Wish for her Q&A (#58). Dont see the problem. 

 

Pg 4 = Seph made a really weird post (#62). Not wolfy just weird. Im not sure if I read it correctly. I dont get why Sili is saying he and Hallia are easy and necessary reads (#68). Really not sure what thats supposed to mean but it bugs me.

 

Pg 5 = Its way to early for town reads imo. Theres been nothing but jokey intro posts that arnt indicative of anything meaningful. No u (#94). Yo (#99)

 

Pg 6 = Sili abandons an argument I didnt even know was an argument (#102). What? Where is this coming from? Why Laine? Is this last game?! (#106). Seems to me that this page is just people tip toeing around a bush while talking about another bush. Nothing here really... matters.

 

Pg 7-8 = I never found him (#135). :( (#143). Really? I dont think ive seen him D1 mislynched before so I dont know where this acertain is coming from. Though ill agree its dif from last game. Ill have to see how much dif as the game goes (#151). 

 

Pg 9 = Zander caught what I did (#161).  BFG give me your reasoning on why if Seph is wolf Laine isnt. Cause that game out of left field and I really am curious (#171). Its all I ever am dude (#180).

 

Pg 10-11 = Jack all. Nothing important cause nothing caught my eye. BFG that reasoning just doesnt stick with me. Its way to small to make that big a claim. No dice (#215). 

 

Pg 12 = If by action you mean jumping at shadows and debating he said she said sure (#229). 

 

Pg 13-15 = Not much. TELL ME WHERE YOU KNOW ME FROM STORK. I MUST KNOW THE STORY (#270). 

 

One thing that bugs me is just Hallia is very... feisty? I dunno its different from what I expect from both alignments for her so im not really using it to judge her just yet. Its just... different.

 

Also im caught up. Eat your heart out.

 

 

 

 

What issue do you have with early town reads?  I would argue you can learn a lot by people's comfort in the thread early on and who they interact with.  Beyond that, do you think it matters at all for their alignments?  

 

You can argue the TMI angle, but that would be one hell of a claim.

 

What do you typically expect from Hallia?  I don't think she's been particularly feisty at all so far, and I really don't know that I think she's significantly different than what I'd have expected.  A decent amount of posts when she was active, some ideas, a lot of light heartedness.

 

It was page 4. Thats very early to have a read of any real strength imo. As for alignments, depends on the person. Someone could easily be trying to buddy up or try to set a precedent for town reading someone by saying they townread them way before.

 

I wasnt arguing TMI? I just disagree with the post and I find it a weird one to make. At worst its painting seph as a wolf without any real backing to it.

 

The type of lightheartedness. Maybe im wrong, I wasnt using it to judge alignment. Ive never been good at reading her and if your read this correctly youd know there was no attempt made at reading her. 

 

Seph is the person I feel best about at this point.  It's definitely not an incredibly strong read, but solid.  I like how he came out swinging against Sili, especially consideirng Sili's argument made no sense, and I don't feel he was stumbling over himself trying to answer questions about it.  I kinda think Sili was kicking dirt on him to see if it would stick, which is a good look for him too.

 

I really don't understand why anybody has an issue with BFG's argument about Seph/Alanna.  I said before I would guess she's probably right, and I would stand by that even if I didn't feel particularly good about Seph.  I can't rule out the possibility Mafia!Seph wrote it with the deliberate intention of townspewing a teammate, but I would be very, very surprised if that's the case.  More importantly, I think that's a pro-town observation for her to make.  The only way that thought comes from a mafia motivation is if all three of them are mafia together and she's looking for something to clear one of Alanna/Seph in case the other one dies, since Mafia!BFG would essentially be forced to clear town!Alanna if Seph is a teammate and clear Seph as town should Alanna flip mafia.

It feels like a sketch post. Im not using it to push her nor am I going after her for it, so I dont understand what your problem is with me having a problem with it. Its not the basis for any case or read.

 

 

Are you just voting Lenlo because you don't think he's the kind to normally make walls like htat?

No.

 

That attracted my eye at first, but I believe he knows his meta.

 

I am voting him because of what he focuses on and how he frames his ideas.

 

You act like I pay attention to my meta, or any meta. Ive said it before, I forget games very quickly after they end unless something cool or memorable happened in them.

 

Give me explanations though. What did I focus on thats bad? What could I have focused on instead? How did I frame my ideas wolfy? Which ideas? Give me the deets Sili.

 

 

What do you mean by how he frames his ideas?  I thought his catch up post was basically meaningless - a big recap that didn't do much to show his thought process, so I don't have an issue with the vote, but I'm not following your explanation.

 

Like how he casts suspicion, and how he says his meta is always like this, and his comments about thread flow that seem like tmi to me.

 

 

 

 

Pg 1-3 = Intro lols. Sili gets on Wish for her Q&A (#58). Dont see the problem.

 

 

Pg 4 = Seph made a really weird post (#62). Not wolfy just weird. Im not sure if I read it correctly. I dont get why Sili is saying he and Hallia are easy and necessary reads (#68). Really not sure what thats supposed to mean but it bugs me.

 

Pg 5 = Its way to early for town reads imo. Theres been nothing but jokey intro posts that arnt indicative of anything meaningful. No u (#94). Yo (#99)

 

Pg 6 = Sili abandons an argument I didnt even know was an argument (#102). What? Where is this coming from? Why Laine? Is this last game?! (#106). Seems to me that this page is just people tip toeing around a bush while talking about another bush. Nothing here really... matters.

 

Pg 7-8 = I never found him (#135). :( (#143). Really? I dont think ive seen him D1 mislynched before so I dont know where this acertain is coming from. Though ill agree its dif from last game. Ill have to see how much dif as the game goes (#151). 

 

Pg 9 = Zander caught what I did (#161).  BFG give me your reasoning on why if Seph is wolf Laine isnt. Cause that game out of left field and I really am curious (#171). Its all I ever am dude (#180).

 

Dunno what you mean ref 161.

Pg 10-11 = Jack all. Nothing important cause nothing caught my eye. BFG that reasoning just doesnt stick with me. Its way to small to make that big a claim. No dice (#215). 

 

Pg 12 = If by action you mean jumping at shadows and debating he said she said sure (#229). 

 

Pg 13-15 = Not much. TELL ME WHERE YOU KNOW ME FROM STORK. I MUST KNOW THE STORY (#270). 

 

One thing that bugs me is just Hallia is very... feisty? I dunno its different from what I expect from both alignments for her so im not really using it to judge her just yet. Its just... different.

 

Also im caught up. Eat your heart out.

 

 

 

I didn't bold stuff I didn't know about. It seems to me like Lenlo is focusing on stuff that is weird but not necessarily wolfy on purpose. At other times it's just a tmi statement like 'jumping at shadows' even though he himself is doing just that I believe - i.e. Hallia is very... feisty?

 

Maybe because there isnt anything outright wolfy? For me to focus on wolfy things those wolfy things would have to exist. So go find me some wolfy things from the first 15 pages I could have focused on instead of what I believe were odd things from certain people I sorta know.

 

Is the Hallia thing jumping at shadows? There was no case there. No alignment decision made. It was a comment that I think your now trying to paint in a bad light.

 

For the first quote: Lol what? Which suspicion casting? Where did I say my meta was always like X? Because I never said. All I did was say this isnt the first time ive made WoTs, heck its not even a meta thing its just catching up. Finally point out to me the TMI's specifically. Give me explanations as to why they are TMIs, cause atm its just you pointing fingers.

[Lenlo]

 

In case you cant remember, last game was not particularly good game for me on a multitude of levels. Check any of the other games and I can guarantee you, this will appear in the ones where I am not present for the start of D1 or long spans of time. Its how I catch up.

 

My objection here is small, but I think I'm going to be asked about it anyway so I'll explain in advance my impression.  I feel like he is giving too much breath to the dialogue for a villager who thinks I am a wolf. And the last bold reads almost like he is trying to excuse himself.

 

Again, a small thing. There is lot's of variance in such tonal reads.

 

Pffft please. One, prior to now I never said you were a wolf or that I thought you would be a good lynch for today. I said you were off. Thats completely different, so your putting words in my mouth,

 

Second, im naturally a wordy person. Deal with it.

 

Third you asked me about the wot and basically asked "Does he always do this?" and I answered your question, yet now your using that answer to say im excusing myself.

 

Finally shove it with your "lots of variance in such tonal reads". You think im a wolf, call me a wolf, build a case and get on with it. Stop dancing sugar plum

[Lenlo]

 

 

Detailed catch up is exhausting, so you get lazy catch up instead.

Hally's early excitement looks good.

#27 @Sili you said that Hally was leading with her post count, what were you implying here? Just wondering what kind of read you made
 

Q&A time with Storktree:

1) How old were you during the 90s? uhhh 0-8? I'm a 1992 baby
2) What was your favorite 90s artist/song? =/ I liked my boy bands... also Brit Spears lol
3) Why are you playing this game? Because I need mafia in my life
4) Do you prefer to work together or alone? Alone in RL, together in mafia bc I'm dumb and need help
5) What's your goal for this game (may be correlated to no. 3)? Lunching all the wolves
6) What's your favorite role to play? Vanilla town, ldo
7) What meta do you have with other players? All the meta. I love all of you <3
8) Describe your own meta as best as you can. lol idk? Someone else could probably describe it better bc I just show up and play the game, don't have any special things I do...

#44 @Seph this is a joke?

Sili town- gut feels, I'm generally pretty good at reading him
BFG town- questionnaire answers, general feel

#81 started an unnecessary back and forth that lasted until #136... Sili man, why you gotta drag things out?

#100 is true from Seph, irt me. In British Monarchy, I was calling him scum on day 1 and I was the N1 kill. I can see wolf Seph finding it necessary to town read me or BFG to keep himself in the clear, but I'm not sure I see Sili's part in the commentary unless he's explaining something different. Also, this post gives me the slightest town read on Seph. I have too many towns right now. #108 also good.

#138 Zander wins the questionnaire game. Or maybe I win because i literally knew all his answers before he wrote them?

Zander-Seph tunnel sarting bottom of p7??

I know seph gets mislynched a lot and is a easy D1 mislynch as Town but his posts dont seem to me to have the free flowingness to them as they normally do.
Something Im gonna be watching for.

Z, I have to say I kinda disagree with you here. Seph has been joking and then even went after Sili when he needed clarification on what the hell was going on. I don't think I can dislike Seph's start to the game. If later you can better explain how his posts are lacking in "flowiness" that would be helpful

#167 Seph you lose points for this post

Serio Zander a bit on p10, noting for later

Dice is acting strange irt Zander. He's commenting that he doesn't like a null tell from Z, basically, yet Dice is supposed to read Z better than anyone. I'm a little cautious of tying them together in this way so I'm probably not going to stay on this line of thought much longer unless something comes up.

@BFG something irks me a little. Seph said he's wolfed against you and I the most. Yet, I only recall two games on my side: British Monarchy and Mass Effect 2. In BM, I had him d1 and he nk'd me N1, in ME2 I had him and Dice at endgame and was GOAT town. Anyways the question is if Seph's assessment that he wolfs against us the most is true or not? Additionally, if not in your case, why do you think he would bring up your name along with mine? Fear? Wariness? And why you?

The above is what I think Zander was getting at and I also find it odd that the point completely went over BFG. :/ Linked interaction: #238

Lenlo's post #290 does nothing for me. ---

@STORK: Can you tell me about you? Playstyle, how you read people, how you go about finding wolves, etc? please and thank you

Lenlo losing points.

#298 I agree with Seph here, I think Zander is a little off, but it's nothing to worry about yet. I need moar
#331 Wish townie post, she (and her Stork) can join my towns

Hoping Lenlo really does pick up later in the day but I'm getting used to bad entrances and goat end of days from him, so we'll see.

#360 I like this post from Clov. Not bad

I don't like Clov going after Sili, but I'm pretty sure Sili is town at this point so it's probably that

 

Towns: Hally, Seph, Sili, BFG, Wish

Pending review: Zander

Ummms: Dice, Lenlo

 

 

I like this post. I disagree with her about Sili at this point, obviously, but Laine looks good.

 

Morning all!

Liked Laine's catch up.
Clov seems townie
Lenlo - I'm feisty? Please show where??
Thank you guys for not posting toooo much overnight.

Probably poor word choice, but again its not alignment indicative! It was just you seemed rarin to go! Why are people so hung up on that?

[Hallia]

Because it seemed strange, and I wasn't really being feisty, so it can come off as miscontruing, which is wolfy, I think.

[Hallia]

What you just said sounds much better.

[Lenlo]

There caught up. Sorry people keep callin and work is more important.

[Lenlo]

But yeah, Sili I want details. Dont just give me vague statements, give me something meaty cause atm your pointin fingers without any real cause imo. Your letting people draw their own conclusions from unspecified bolds and vague, generalized statements like 'TMI'.

[Lenlo]

What you just said sounds much better.

I try to use different words cause I like making a bigger vocab. Apparently I used that one wrong