[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Hallia]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:27 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:26 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:23 PM, BlomBesie said:

Does that count as a claim? Do we just believe it?

Yes, it's a claim. Odd night cop. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. I did my job.

Nobody reading the thread is going to believe you.

Except I am, and I do.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:28 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:26 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:26 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:23 PM, BlomBesie said:

Does that count as a claim? Do we just believe it?

 

Yes, it's a claim. Odd night cop. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. I did my job. 

 

who was your cop n1?

 

 

Unfortunately, Zander. He's a player I like to know about early. 

 

 

do i need to iso you to verify?

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:26 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:24 PM, Clovdyx said:

[v]LilyElizabeth[/v]

 

Lily -> Liz -> Alanna -> if the game somehow isn't over, Lenlo

 

I was actually going to flip the other two but if she wants to make our job easier for us, whatever.

oh so you're not a cop.

 

i was thinking you were cause of how hard you defended lenlo, but i guess not.

 

guess i put lenlo back on the chopping block.

 

maybe you thought he wasn't getting lynched or something, but i don't put bussing past you like bfg did. the way you hard defended him that's tmi or... well foolishness.

 

 

What are you talking about?  I've explained all game why I was suspicious of him early on.  I explained what he did D2 that I liked and found highly unlikely to come from him as mafia, combined with him never being teammates from my main scum read.  And I pointed out why I'm feeling less strongly about him now.

[Sili Quirrels]

claim fully lil with supporting evidence. clov is a big monster of a wolf if you're town and there will be people who think you're lying regardless of whether you are or not.

[Guest]

I'm going to continue my iso on lenlo as a means to find calm (wrap my mind around whatever is going on atm), if that's okay with you guys?

 

I've not seen this before, iirc, and would like to read more opinions before voting, if that's okay.

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:29 PM, Hallia said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:27 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:26 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:23 PM, BlomBesie said:

Does that count as a claim? Do we just believe it?

Yes, it's a claim. Odd night cop. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. I did my job.

Nobody reading the thread is going to believe you.

Except I am, and I do.

 

 

You're believing that she investigated one of her strongest town reads?

[Hallia]

You've....never seen a cop claim?

[LilyElizabeth]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:29 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

do i need to iso you to verify?

 

 

Please do. I admit I struggled day one and was behind and EOD, so I voted the person that I didn't know alignment on vs the person I thought was town. After that, my game has been pretty clean. 

 

 

My reads:

 

Town (in order):

Hallia

Kat

Besie

Sili

 

POE (in no particular order):

Lenlo

Laine

Liz

 

Scum:

Clov

 

I don't understand the color coding system, But you'll want these after I'm gone. 

[Hallia]

Why not? Especially you. You're a phenomenal player, and that would be a smart move.

[Guest]

I've seen a cop claim. Oh, clov hasn't claimed, has he? I thought this was like a counterclaim thing

[LilyElizabeth]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:31 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

claim fully lil with supporting evidence. clov is a big monster of a wolf if you're town and there will be people who think you're lying regardless of whether you are or not.

What do you mean supporting evidence? There isn't any. I found out Zander was town the night he was killed, so there's nothing there, and I just found out Clov was scum this morning. 

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:31 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:26 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:24 PM, Clovdyx said:

[v]LilyElizabeth[/v]

 

Lily -> Liz -> Alanna -> if the game somehow isn't over, Lenlo

 

I was actually going to flip the other two but if she wants to make our job easier for us, whatever.

oh so you're not a cop.

 

i was thinking you were cause of how hard you defended lenlo, but i guess not.

 

guess i put lenlo back on the chopping block.

 

maybe you thought he wasn't getting lynched or something, but i don't put bussing past you like bfg did. the way you hard defended him that's tmi or... well foolishness.

 

 

What are you talking about?  I've explained all game why I was suspicious of him early on.  I explained what he did D2 that I liked and found highly unlikely to come from him as mafia, combined with him never being teammates from my main scum read.  And I pointed out why I'm feeling less strongly about him now.

 

 

i do try to read your posts. i think i missed a lot though because last i remember you tone read lenlo as town and hard defended him day 3.

 

am i simplifying it too much or would you describe it as something else besides a tone read?

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:33 PM, Hallia said:

Why not? Especially you. You're a phenomenal player, and that would be a smart move.

 

No, it's not a smart move.  Even if I were actually mafia, it wouldn't be a smart move.  You don't investigate people you're already feeling good about - that actually makes less sense than investigating somebody you're most suspicious of.  

 

You investigate people you have no clue on.

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:35 PM, BlomBesie said:

I've seen a cop claim. Oh, clov hasn't claimed, has he? I thought this was like a counterclaim thing

 

I'll counterclaim if I need to.  Don't get me wrong - I'm not the cop.  But I'll lie about it just to give people peace of mind and take away the "If she's lying, she would be counterclaimed argument."

[Katiora]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:28 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

lily knows the stakes. game probably doesn't have 5 wolves so this probably isn't lylo. she says clov is a wolf and claims cop and clov is town then she dies tomorrow. pretty straightforward. lily wasn't on the chopping block either so therefore if lily is a wolf and is lying we have a pretty good idea of who her buddies are. laine liz for instance.

 

 

I"m inclined to agree on this... it would be crazy to think that Lily was coming at this from no where... though we are on the verge..... IF we are wrong this could be end game. lets just say... Clov is town, Lily is RB Mafia (not that I think she is... just an example) Tonight she RB's Hallia, they Kill her, we're down to 7 people and at least 3 are mafia it only takes 4 to lynch.. what are the chances of all the towns being on the same page? of course then we Lynch Lily cause she lied and they kill another at night so we'd be down to 5 with 2 being mafia and it taking 3 to lynch... THen it's a scrapping match... I think we should be cautious of just believing anyone... 

 

 

And really Sili... most everyone is gonna claim VT... so I don't see what good claiming does :/ unless we're looking for someone to cc lily

[LilyElizabeth]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:32 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:29 PM, Hallia said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:27 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:26 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:23 PM, BlomBesie said:

Does that count as a claim? Do we just believe it?

Yes, it's a claim. Odd night cop. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. I did my job.

Nobody reading the thread is going to believe you.

Except I am, and I do.

 

 

You're believing that she investigated one of her strongest town reads?

 

 

Where do you get that from? You're a complete enigma. Yes, I thought you were town at first, but did I say anything like that yesterday? I grant that you are good as scum. That's why I peeked at you. Everyone else I pretty much know where to put, but you? I could have put you as either alignment. 

[Hallia]

Sili also makes a great point. Why would Lily lie, when we do have extra lynches

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:36 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:31 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:26 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:24 PM, Clovdyx said:

[v]LilyElizabeth[/v]

 

Lily -> Liz -> Alanna -> if the game somehow isn't over, Lenlo

 

I was actually going to flip the other two but if she wants to make our job easier for us, whatever.

oh so you're not a cop.

 

i was thinking you were cause of how hard you defended lenlo, but i guess not.

 

guess i put lenlo back on the chopping block.

 

maybe you thought he wasn't getting lynched or something, but i don't put bussing past you like bfg did. the way you hard defended him that's tmi or... well foolishness.

 

 

What are you talking about?  I've explained all game why I was suspicious of him early on.  I explained what he did D2 that I liked and found highly unlikely to come from him as mafia, combined with him never being teammates from my main scum read.  And I pointed out why I'm feeling less strongly about him now.

 

 

i do try to read your posts. i think i missed a lot though because last i remember you tone read lenlo as town and hard defended him day 3.

 

am i simplifying it too much or would you describe it as something else besides a tone read?

 

 

It has a little to do with tone, but it had more to do with consistency/thought process.  When he explained his EoD progression/actions, everything he said was backed up in the thread.  It fit perfectly.  I posted what was basically a timeline of his switches and explanations.  He didn't contradict himself.  Didn't twist his words.  

 

If he's lying, he pretty much played the end of day 1 so that he WOULD be able to explain it later.  That, or he wrote down his explanation as it was happening so he wouldn't botch it later.  That seems  pretty unlikely.

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:38 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:32 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:29 PM, Hallia said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:27 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:26 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:23 PM, BlomBesie said:

Does that count as a claim? Do we just believe it?

Yes, it's a claim. Odd night cop. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. I did my job.

Nobody reading the thread is going to believe you.

Except I am, and I do.

 

 

You're believing that she investigated one of her strongest town reads?

 

 

Where do you get that from? You're a complete enigma. Yes, I thought you were town at first, but did I say anything like that yesterday? I grant that you are good as scum. That's why I peeked at you. Everyone else I pretty much know where to put, but you? I could have put you as either alignment. 

 

 

 

  On 6/9/2016 at 3:16 AM, LilyElizabeth said:

Okay. I've read a ton today. Still have 20 pages to go. I'll finish catching up tomorrow. 

 

Reads right now:

 

Town - Hallia, Clov, BFG, Wish, Lainey

Don't want to give any scum leanings until I finish up. 

 

 

 

  On 6/9/2016 at 11:54 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

My reads atm:

 

1. Darthe – Who can read Darthe? Not me.

2. Thane Vakarian Besie – After ISO, not in town pile, but not terribly scummy

3. BFG – felt good about her early on. Need to see more currently

4. Hallia - town

6. Sili Quirrels – mystery man

7. Katiora – Slight town

8. dicetosser1 – After ISO, nothing

9. Lenlo – After ISO, slight scum read

10. Niniel – after ISO, feeling town on her

11. Clovdyx - town

13. LilyElizabeth - town

14. Wishtree/Stork hydra – feeling pretty town on them

15. Alannalynn – after ISO, mild town read on her

16. Lizabeth – After ISO, pretty null still 

 

 

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 7:51 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

My reads at this point:

 

2. Thane / Besie – After ISO, not in town pile, but not terribly scummy

3. BFG – Asking good questions. Really trying to solve the game. Town

4. Hallia – claimed limited doc

6. Sili Quirrels – feeling more towny on him than scummy

7. Katiora – Slight town. Would like to firm up this read. Need to ISO.

9. Lenlo – After ISO, slight scum read

11. Clovdyx – town. Gives thoughtful posts. Would like to ISO.

13. Lily - town

14. Wishtree/Stork hydra – feeling pretty town on them. Her logic is hard to follow, but she seems to be trying to solve the game.

15. Alannalynn – after ISO, slight town read on her. A little more than slight, actually, but not solid, for sure. I’d like to see what she does when the game is smaller and she’s caught up.

16. Lizabeth – After ISO, pretty null still 

 

 

And that was the last read list you gave.

[Guest]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:40 PM, Hallia said:

Sili also makes a great point. Why would Lily lie, when we do have extra lynches

 

What do you mean by "extra lynches"?

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:40 PM, Hallia said:

Sili also makes a great point. Why would Lily lie, when we do have extra lynches

 

Because she knows that I'm never getting lynched without, her team can't justify NKing me over a power role, and let's be honest...would YOU want me alive at LYLO?

[Hallia]

Meaning I don't think we are at mylo

[Katiora]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:42 PM, BlomBesie said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:40 PM, Hallia said:

Sili also makes a great point. Why would Lily lie, when we do have extra lynches

 

What do you mean by "extra lynches"?

 

She means that even if we mislynch it's not gonna end the game... 

[Guest]

Replying to an older one 

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 4:58 PM, Katiora said:

 

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Ahhhhh so I've mostly read up.. I mean I read this weekend and skimmed again today to refresh.

 

 

So what's killing me in this game is the waffling by EVERYONE. That's something I normally associate as a little wolfy, but ERRBODY'S doing it... and I have to admit I have done some myself. It's really throwing me off though lol... 

 

I honestly wondered if Wish would ever get lynched... lol 

 

Ok so my thoughts... I unvoted Nin last minute because of a sense of impending doom and when I went back and looked and TRIED TRIED TRIED to look at Nin as not a wolf I could do it, but I couldn't with Wish... Wish I just knew in my gut was bad. I was willing to switch for Besie cause I think she's Mafia too partially from me thinking that Darthe was softing cop (which if he was he was lying) with the way he was going at her with NO reasoning just a "trust me I know" attitude. I had seen some other softing so, I wouldn't put it past him... But what got me going was that I didn't like her pile on vote on Nin first thing D2... She didn't really offer a lot of reason just... "I reread vote Nin she's scummy " but didn't say anything that she actually thought nin had said that was scummy, which to me at the VERY BEGINNING of D2... ehhhh that's a little suspicious to me from someone that is trying to catch up. I mean... It's EARLY D2 why not wait? No one is forcing votes, why not wait and make your case? To me it looks like someone who is trying to get a vote in quick while they'll be able to be in the middle. Not starting it, not hammering... just middling. I know some of you don't seem to like wagonomics but there is something to be said about them if you can try to keep the WiFoM out of it. 

 

 

Sili I'm inclined to agree on the Laine read she's prolly my #2 on my list. I don't know what Laine really has going on, but i have known PLENTY of people who use their real life circumstances to their advantage when they're mafia. Not that she's lying about ANYTHING. But it gives her the perfect excuse to lay low and not post. It's one of the reasons I was suspicious of Nin and one of the reasons I'ms suspicious of Lily and Liz... It doesn't automatically make them scum, but it makes me look at everything they do post a bit more. 

 

This is my reads list as of now: 

 

Town

Kat

Hallia - she's been town to me all game. She's about the only one left here that I play with consistently just seems like TownHallia.

 

Sili - this is only the second game I've played with you but you do really seem to be town. Though sometimes you are annoying lol But Your posts do seem to be honestly trying to figure the game out.

Clov - Ehhhhh I can't really tell but you're more town than not. And of the people that's left I feel better about you than most everyone else. Though I do think if there is a SK it will be you or Sili.. lol

Lenlo - I honestly think is town. It's more of a gut read than anything else. I've honestly tried to not read as much into the Lenlo/Sili/Clov stuff because some of it seems to stem from they just don't jive... And I can understand that.. It's natural to want to assume that people you have a hard time getting a long with are the bad guys... but I think you're town.

 

BFG - I think you're more town than Scum... Especially over the weekend you've really offered up some good content and I feel much better about you. I just don't feel comfy putting you in my green section lol... 

 

Not so town: 

Lily - Ehhhhh mostly just from lack of content. I will probably go back and ISO today and just look at stuff... 

Liz - Same as lily... And I need to really ISO both of them and read them separate so maybe I can separate them in my mind... Both of them still want to meld in there lol... 

Laine - I'm finding myself agreeing with SIli... Ever since the first page I've thought your interactions with Zander a little weird. 

Besie - She's my scummiest.. Though Darthe flipping vanilla instead of PR throws me a bit which is the reason she's orange instead of Red.... She'd be my #1 for a vote today. I think she's sheeped a lot.. and by sheeping I don't mean just voting behind someone. I mean voting someone with absolutely no reasoning. And while it appears I did this yesterday I did this thinking that Darthe was probably town Cop Odd nights (how Zander was town cop odd nights) and I thought he had read Besie night 1 and I could say that  yesterday because That would have outed darthe and that's not good for town if he was... but he wasn't...

 

Honestly right now out of my 5 on the bottom I think that probably 2 are Scum... Maybe 3... And possibly one of my light greens/blue is scum or a SK... But I'm all for going after one of my oranges.... I prefer Besie.. just because I feel the strongest about her but I'm open to the opinions of others... 

 

 

 

And Dang... Night just ended... I took WAYYY too long typing this post up... glad I was right about BFG though lol

 

 

 

 

What do you mean by 'waffling'?

 

more vvv

 

 

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In your first paragraph I'd like to correct some things. 1 - "I reread vote Nin she's scummy" was not my reason. The reason was the actual reread. You'll see it if you go back just a few pages. I admit, the iso was not great - but she was my only scummy read at that point in time. Try not to let the later flip make that seem like a scummy thing to do - i can assure you that it was not my intention to lynch a town - much less a pr town. The next part in the paragraph is not valid then either, since I did give examples of what could have been perceived as scummy. Did you miss my first attempt at an iso in this game?

 

I do agree with the real life circumstances thing. Yes, it could play at AtE. But it could also be just, well, real life circumstances that she's sharing with us (which i believe it is, in this instance). I tend to put a "not alignment indicative" in posts that can be either AtE or just rl.

 

Hallia is pretty obv town, no doubt.

Agreed on sili.

I don't even want to comment on clov or lily right now. Still figuring things out in my mind.

Disagree on lenlo. His iso is taking forever but at least it'll be thorough when it's done.

If i have time i'd like to look into alanna - but that depends entirely on what happens today - it'll effect who i iso after lenlo

 

And yeah, agreed with you on your later post that there's probably no SK, since BFG flipped vig.

 

 

[Clovdyx]

So Lily townreads me basically the entire game, says nothing in 240 pages to suggest she's even remotely suspicious - or even unsure - of me.  I point out how she's basically saving Wish with her EoD voting (her strong townread, for gut reasons...), and she comes in with a guilty on me?

 

That doesn't happen if she's not lying.  I realize this is a hell of a lot easier for ME to see because I know she's lying, but somebody try to explain why that approach makes any sense.