[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[BFG]

Page 21-30 (just lost these so will try to do

 

Laine catch up is good (very minor quibble in that Dice is 'uhm' without any indication why) joke votes Sili (relaxed)

 

Darthe asks (nudges(?)) Zander on suspecting Chris

 

Kat volume

 

Hallia, Darthe town - still don't see it

 

Kat doesn't like Niniels 'meta' on her, seems to have Zander, Hallia, Dice, Sili as town i'm null, everyone else is ???

 

Lenlo asking Sili for a case as details are wrong

 

Darthe nudges? Seph , ok with Sili

 

Niniel admits meta mistake

 

Hallia/Kat/Darthe/Seph all post during the Lenlo/Sili thing, so curious as to why Laine mentions Hallia specifically later

 

Lenlo finds Seph more subdued but doesn't want to lynch him for bad reasons (when does this change?)

 

Seph votes Zander

 

Hallia votes Niniel (sheeping BFG post)

 

Darthe doesn't like Seph/Niniel

 

Kind of curious as to the last town game of Niniels Chris played/observed? Chris backs of Sili, continues to question Lenlo

[BFG]

Chris/wish you still here?

[BFG]

Nvm I'm an idiot

[Clovdyx]

Okay, this is kind of halfassed because I'd actually like to go to bed, but reviewing of Lenlo from Day 1.  I'll try to get to D2 later.  Thoughts/comments are in blue.  Pages of his ISO are broken up into 'paragraphs'

 

 

 

-Couple early fluff posts.  Don't care about these one way or the other

-His long catch up post.  Multiple instances of him calling people out for being off or weird but with a caveat that some of it isn't scummy.  Makes several claims that nothing matters on different pages.  I question him on several of issues

-He replies to me.  Kind of fence sits on early town reads, but maintains that it's too early.  Somebody I think said he's typically that way...BFG, maybe?  I really don't remember it, but the last clear memory I have of him is him coming at me hard in Diablo.  Challenges Sili to find scummy things from the early posts

-Gets into an argument with Sili about sounding weird or off vs. being scummy, claiming that he never called Sili scum.  Alleges that Sili is putting words in his mouth.  Pretty sure I called him out for the implication of certain words.

-Says he likes Laine big catch up post, though he disagrees with her stance on sili.  Doesn't point out what he likes

-More arguments with Sili.  At one point says that Sili's case is as not as good as his usual ones.  Sili - the master of writing in depth cases.

-Tone issues when dealing with Sili?  Thread suggests he's very frustrated, but still willing to make a joke 

-Claims sili is making generalized statements.  This isn't really wrong, but I'm not sure it means anything, either.

 

-Says he's going to drop the fight with Sili and asks Sili for reads on other issues several times. Probably a 'townie thing', but doesn't really fit with the thread.

-Questions Darthe on why Darthe thinks Seph is scum.  He says that he'd found Seph odd, but that happened last time and Seph was town.   

-Tries to clarify what Zander's issue was with Seph regarding the notes.  

-Calls sili out for Sili unvoting him, after sili moved to Niniel.  Sili had said that he wouldn't unvote Lenlo.  This is a really weird thing from either alignment.  As scum, I'm not sure Lenlo tries to keep pressure on himself.  As town, I'm not sure he tries to keep pressure on himself.

-Strong aggression towards Sili.

 

-Calls Sili crap at reading him.  Lenlo hasn't officially called Sili mafia by this point, but the aggression/approach does suggest he felt that way.  Disconnect between mislynching/bad reads applies here, maybe.

-Says he's undecided on 'you' (presumably sili?) but thinks they are sketchy.  

-Long reply to me pointing out the issue between calling somebody an overcommitted wolf and still asking them for their reads.  Lenlo explains it as saying tunneling like that can be done as either alignment.  He tried to move the argument because he recognized it was going nowhere.  He doubles down on this stance later.  I really didn't like this answer at the time.  I think I feel a little bit better now, but I'm not sure if that's because I feel better about Lenlo overall than I did when I read it.  The point isn't inherently wrong, but I don't think I've ever been genuinely suspicious of someone while having a particularly heated arugment and still wanted to have a civil discussion with them on something else.  

-Votes Sili, saying it's between him and Seph.  He says they're both sketchy af (pretty sure he hadn't said anything to suggest he wasn't feeling bad about Seph) and doesn't care even if Sili actually town.  Obviously a 'bad' thought, but I'm not sure Town!Lenlo doesn't feel that way after the exchange he and Sili had)

-Says few of Sili's actions have been towny.  Doubts that a towny would ever just shut down a scum read when they could be interacting to find the rest of the team.  

-Refutes Kat's claim that he was trying to drag Sili down, and he says he doesn't care if he associates himself by saying "If I'm a wolf".  Her point that town shouldn't say that makes sense.  

-Questions how my proposed 'scum team', which wasn't a team, of Lenlo/Tina/Zander/potentially Lily fits together.  

 

-Decent, but not great, reads list.  A lot of null reads.  I can't say my list would have been particularly different in that regards.  Town/townish reads of BFG, Hallia, Zander, Kat, me, and Alanna doesn't look bad.  

-More fighting with Sili.

-Votes Seph for wagon purposes?  Fits with reads list.

-Rolls off Seph onto Niniel.  Explains it is because the Seph wagon built too fast without much reason.  Niniel vote also fits with his reads list.  I thought the Seph lynch was bad, so no real issue with that claim.

-Responds to Niniel and Sili voting him.  Tone is pretty bad.  Both were people he said were scummy.  Potentially trying to paint their votes as looking worse than they are?

 

-Questions Seph's request for Darthe getting vigged.  Says he didn't think it was a joke when Seph explains. Darthe was a complete null for Lenlo.  The post didn't really sound like a joke, but I also didn't find Seph making it weird.

-Says he'd go Seph over Wish.  He questions what the case on her is, becuase he hasn't had too many issues.  That somewhat doesn't fit with his reads list, as she was null to slightly scum.   List does suggest he felt worse about him than her, though.  

-Claims he is going to make sure neither Hallia or Zander gets lynched or shot, as they're the towniest people in the game.  Doubles down on this when challenged by Dice.

 

 

Based just on this stuff, I don't really feel good about him at all.  That doesn't surprise me, because I didn't feel good about him when it happened.  However, I have very few issues with how the voting stuff happened after his explanation from yesterday.  Everything in his explanation happened pretty much the way he said it did, and the thought process of "I should move off this guy that just got ran up quickly for no reason" is inherently townie to me.  Even if he had Seph as his strongest scumread, which he certainly was in the running for, there's something to be said for evaluating how others are handling him and adjusting accordingly.  There's also something to be said for moving back there when the person he moved to was no longer a viable candidate and using his vote to lynch somebody he pretty obviously felt bad about over somebody he seemingly didn't feel so bad about.

[Clovdyx]

BFG - I don't know.  I haven't played with her very much period.  I think the last game I played with her, period, was Darthe's serial killer game.  I almost want to say the last time I played with her as town was Hitchhiker's Guide, but that was so long ago I have to assume there was something more recently. 

 

 

Probably 9-5

[BFG]

Doesn't really matter, was just a passing thought, but thanks for reading :)

[BFG]

What do your current reads look like?

[Clovdyx]

I need to think more on it, but I'm not touching Hallia or Niniel, obviously, you, or Sili. Alannas been really pure to me this entire game. I'm starting to worry a bit because of the inactivity, but I also know she's busy, so I'm willing to give her a pass at this point.

 

That ISO has me feeling worse about Len, but his D2 just looked genuine. I don't know that he couldn't fool me, but I'm pretty sure he never has. I cant guarantee I won't go there eventually, but I probably wont.

 

After that, its a bit more muddied. The easy answer is I won't fight a lynch on any of them, really.

 

Darthe is probably the one I want to lynch the most. Wish is up there for seemingly being so clueless about, well, everything. The rest all kind of are mixed in there. I could pull a name out of my Korea hat and justify a lynch on them at this point.

[BFG]

What do you make of Liz's read that wish is town?

[Darthe]

Y'all are aware that im completely and utterly outside of my wolf range, right? Like, its fun to wafltch you attenpt to fit me in as a wolf from an academic sense but I am vastly different as a wolf.

 

Then again I don't think either of you have had me as town in many unspoilered DTs you were in?

[Darthe]

I need to think more on it, but I'm not touching Hallia or Niniel, obviously, you, or Sili. Alannas been really pure to me this entire game. I'm starting to worry a bit because of the inactivity, but I also know she's busy, so I'm willing to give her a pass at this point.

 

That ISO has me feeling worse about Len, but his D2 just looked genuine. I don't know that he couldn't fool me, but I'm pretty sure he never has. I cant guarantee I won't go there eventually, but I probably wont.

 

After that, its a bit more muddied. The easy answer is I won't fight a lynch on any of them, really.

 

Darthe is probably the one I want to lynch the most. Wish is up there for seemingly being so clueless about, well, everything. The rest all kind of are mixed in there. I could pull a name out of my Korea hat and justify a lynch on them at this point.

Tbf I play with no notes while at work in a 200 page game and I remembered you like 90% right. The bit i I was wrong on was you had leor dice, not len and dice, yeah?

[Darthe]

What do you make of Liz's read that wish is town?

I don't think she has been around enough to honestly make that read but I also think you've been around enough to never not make it.

 

Lol me right?

[BFG]

Hallia

Niniel

 

 

Sili

Chris

Laine

Wish

 

Besie

 

Lily

Kat

 

Liz

Darthe

 

Lenlo

 

Something like this? But most of my reasoning is super thin :(

Ok, I didn't get very far so far

 

Frankly everyone needs looking at in depth for any confidence

 

Wish was pretty emotionally manipulative in Ragnarok (purposefully or otherwise I don't know) and I'm seeing none of that here. Her logic/process is hard to follow, but she tries every time something is pointed out. She's also more aggressive/assertive than her more recent mafia game here - there's the potential for some steep learning curves between the games I've seen her play, so I don't know how much stock I can put in it.

 

Laine's relative quietness is a little concerning, but her post where she talked about me vs. Zander was more casually observant than most. Definitely follow through needed in terms of her Hallia question.

 

Chris is really tricky, I don't want to tinfoil because of bad reasons, but it's sort of hard not to. Seems to be feeling isolated in thread and I'm not sure what to make of that. Generally I've agreed with him all game (except Lenlo now lol). Dunno if I can ever be confident here

 

Sili has more or less maintained thread presence all game, is that enough? Page 20 or whenever looked pretty good

 

Besie is up so high, mostly because I don't like Darthe's push and because I remember her being more confident as mafia, I also know that Cory has pointed that out about her play and that she'll probably work on that I don't hate that her reads lists are generally different.

 

Lily is severely floating UTR at this point and needs to participate more.

 

Kat's Day 2 irked me, a lot of posts about none participation and apparent double standards

 

Liz, nothing new from my last post - I don't understand her approach towards Seph if he was a mafia read and her vote on Dice makes little sense retroactively

 

Darthe's reads progression has seemed odd all game and I hated his early pop in/nudges

 

Lenlo, enough said. I think he's mafia but don't want to rush this

[Darthe]

I's odd progression worse than absenteeism our is it the popping in that gets you?

[BFG]

 

What do you make of Liz's read that wish is town?

I don't think she has been around enough to honestly make that read but I also think you've been around enough to never not make it.

 

Lol me right?

 

Reads?

[BFG]

I's odd progression worse than absenteeism our is it the popping in that gets you?

Both, if you're town than I don't understand you at all, although I guess that's no surprise.

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Was fingerpainting with the kiddos. Breaking day momentarily.

[Hallia]

No one understands him; he shall forever be a mystery.

[Darthe]

 

I's odd progression worse than absenteeism our is it the popping in that gets you?

Both, if you're town than I don't understand you at all, although I guess that's no surprise.

 

really I don't know why.  I can see having a muddled read on me if you give enough weight to the dumb things I've done, and I could accept that.  I can't envision practically any scenario where I am anyones bottom 5 in this game.  Picks like nin and wish, driving Seph D1, not jumping in on hammers I was  around for because I disagreed with them, fluid as hell reads to the point of developing a progression sometimes in a couple of pages, insight on player think without judgement, there's so much I'm doing here that just does not ever warrant the rank I'm being given by you or Clov.  Does anyone else read me that way even?

[BFG]

Hmmm, going back to page 30

[BFG]

What's your read on Chris right now?

[keyholder21]

IT'S 3AM AND I MUST BE LONELY

 

Most people are asleep at 3am...

 

SHE SAYS BABY...

 

Well, you'll have plenty of time to spend with her now!

 

Darthe has been nightkilled!  He was...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matchbox 20 - Vanilla Town

 

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SHE DREAMS IN COLOR

 

Pretty sure I do too..

 

SHE DREAMS IN RED

 

I'd definitely say red.  I don't know about dreaming now, though.  Maybe perpetually?

 

Niniel has been nightkilled. She was...

 

 

Pearl Jam - Town Odd Night Doc

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It is now Day 3. 

[Darthe]

Go town, I have faith in you!

[Hallia]

Mafia has a RB.