[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Turin Turambar]

 

I have a similar mafia team. Let's hope the masons are town.

Yes. Hoping that is the case. I think that one good point in their favour is that Thane seems to have been ready to basically ride the claim. Like he knew it was in their back pocket.

 

Also I think it would be risky to claim D1 under heat as their could have been a "real" set of masons to cc and that would have been suicide.

 

Plus the breadcrumbing.

 

 

*fingers crossed there

I have a hard time believing they arent Town here.

Me too. I have nearly no doubt on them. The likelihood they are town is just too high.

[Guest]

 

 

 

Besie didnt choose the order this was the averages of EVERYONE;'s WTL.

 

Youre reaching here badly.

I think you missed .

True. Thane, Darthe, Kivam and Eldrick didn't give their wtl's. As seen in the post. I remember Thane saying he was going to miss DL. I think one of the other 3 said it too.

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No I mean you certainly did control the order the names were posted in in a narrow way. Now I was the first to say it was reaching and weak but afaict you did control the order of the names in such a way as turin describes.

Lol... nah. I didn't. Lol.

[Sili Quirrels]

a 3-3 tie at eod in a 15 player game with many votes spread out across 8 or so players only happens if the two wagons are both mafia or both town.

Is the former case correct?

 

Eh, only if wolves are bussing I guess.

[Shad_]

Does this give you any pause?

No. Zander skims a lot and could have easily missed the context of that post as either alignment.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

No I mean you certainly did control the order the names were posted in in a narrow way. Now I was the first to say it was reaching and weak but afaict you did control the order of the names in such a way as turin describes.

Lol... nah. I didn't. Lol.

 

Yeah you did. This is why you are meh.

[Guest]

 

 

No I mean you certainly did control the order the names were posted in in a narrow way. Now I was the first to say it was reaching and weak but afaict you did control the order of the names in such a way as turin describes.

Lol... nah. I didn't. Lol.

Yeah you did. This is why you are meh.

How, Sili?

[Guest]

Do me a favour and make a list like that where the order is changed. Go ahead.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

No I mean you certainly did control the order the names were posted in in a narrow way. Now I was the first to say it was reaching and weak but afaict you did control the order of the names in such a way as turin describes.

Lol... nah. I didn't. Lol.

Yeah you did. This is why you are meh.

How, Sili?

 

Multiple players were tied. You can rearrange them and still keep the overall order from 5 - 0.

[Zander?]

Z, do you think I'm mafia? If so vote me and be prepared to justify it WHEN I flip townie.

 

Do you think it means anything that Bes asked everyone how their reads would change IF she flipped town? Like it was a rhetorical question.

 

Yes I think its quite likely.

 

Not really no.

[Guest]

Changed, but still counts up right. Changed, but still can be checked and be as the players gave their wtl's at that point in time.

[Sili Quirrels]

Do me a favour and make a list like that where the order is changed. Go ahead.

Irrelevant.

[Guest]

Ooooh ive an idea. What if we make a list of all the very first wtl's that people gave? Wouldn't that be interesting?

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

No I mean you certainly did control the order the names were posted in in a narrow way. Now I was the first to say it was reaching and weak but afaict you did control the order of the names in such a way as turin describes.

Lol... nah. I didn't. Lol.

Yeah you did. This is why you are meh.

How, Sili?

Multiple players were tied. You can rearrange them and still keep the overall order from 5 - 0.

Lol. The people with the same score were just typed in as I read down from the wtl list. Check, and you'll see.

[Zander?]

also fyi. I think the mafia team is turin/dice/z2

 

 

shad stay around and chat with me

 

Ive asked this more then once now.

 

Did you sus Nyn at all before me subbing in for her?

[Guest]

 

Do me a favour and make a list like that where the order is changed. Go ahead.

Irrelevant.

Definitely relevant. I'm a scientist. Changing things to suit my own need is something that is utterly taboo to me. You saying that I did it, without proper proof of how, is actually... quite amusing.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

 

No I mean you certainly did control the order the names were posted in in a narrow way. Now I was the first to say it was reaching and weak but afaict you did control the order of the names in such a way as turin describes.

Lol... nah. I didn't. Lol.

Yeah you did. This is why you are meh.

How, Sili?

Multiple players were tied. You can rearrange them and still keep the overall order from 5 - 0.

Lol. The people with the same score were just typed in as I read down from the wtl list. Check, and you'll see.

 

That's probably the case. But I'm explaining someone else's argument here.

[seph]

 

also fyi. I think the mafia team is turin/dice/z2

 

 

shad stay around and chat with me

 

Ive asked this more then once now.

 

Did you sus Nyn at all before me subbing in for her?

 

not really. but she didn't do much. I gave you my thoughts on dice, and I am currently re reading the others

[Zander?]

 

 

Bes early game

 

 

This only my 4th game....

Noob card application???

 

Besie is this the 5th game in a row? or can we count on you?

maybe not as it was in response to Seph.

 

Guys, I want to say this now, and I'll try not to repeat it. I can only play a few hours a day. I'm a busy lady.

 

Fair enough and yet she has a lot of d1 posts.

 

 

 

Bessie, if you actually randed town you would tell us, right?

I'd give you the same answer I would as wolf, yes.

Which is also the answer I gave you when we first played together.

This is what you said as a wolf last game :( now I'm worried...

Also besie no worries about how long you can play,I think that is plenty of time to be honest. If you are town, just find us some scum and all will be well.

 

This is the "are you town?" situation. It does seem like it is needlessly mysterious. Like she is afraid to even say she is town. I din't think much about it at first because I was thinking more about Shad and his early Eldrick vote. Looking again it is weird.    

 

 

Besie, I know you have the whole chaotic evil thing going, but as someone who has played enough mafia now to know the ropes and yet has still never randed town, I expect the opportunity to approach the game from that angle to be a bit... exciting for you. It's a new experience. Where is your WIM?

You're not seeing my WIM?

 

My WIM is usually hidden in mind games and tricks and little secrets I hide in msgs to make people think. I love it.

 

More mysterious answers. I am not seeing the sense in it.  

 

 

 

 

Not a fan of this on reread.  Might be that I am really suspicious of her.  continuing...

 

There is a lot of reaching here imo.

 

There probably is. He is tunneling. He also makes some good points if you are paying attention.

 

If your only job in life is to protect besie please get another one.

 

 

I know a thing or 2 about tunneling lol.

 

I dont really agree with his points.

 

No.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Do me a favour and make a list like that where the order is changed. Go ahead.

Irrelevant.

Definitely relevant. I'm a scientist. Changing things to suit my own need is something that is utterly taboo to me. You saying that I did it, without proper proof of how, is actually... quite amusing.

 

Right.

 

As a scientist you may want to take a step back and consider where I'm coming at this from. This has nothing to do with whether you actually listed the names in a particular order but whether you had the capacity to. Zander said you were not able to adjust the order, and I am saying you could have (even though it's not likely).

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

 

 

No I mean you certainly did control the order the names were posted in in a narrow way. Now I was the first to say it was reaching and weak but afaict you did control the order of the names in such a way as turin describes.

Lol... nah. I didn't. Lol.

Yeah you did. This is why you are meh.

How, Sili?

Multiple players were tied. You can rearrange them and still keep the overall order from 5 - 0.

Lol. The people with the same score were just typed in as I read down from the wtl list. Check, and you'll see.

That's probably the case. But I'm explaining someone else's argument here.

Fair enough. Do you agree with it?

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

 

Do me a favour and make a list like that where the order is changed. Go ahead.

Irrelevant.

Definitely relevant. I'm a scientist. Changing things to suit my own need is something that is utterly taboo to me. You saying that I did it, without proper proof of how, is actually... quite amusing.

 

Right.

 

As a scientist you may want to take a step back and consider where I'm coming at this from. This has nothing to do with whether you actually listed the names in a particular order but whether you had the capacity to. Zander said you were not able to adjust the order, and I am saying you could have (even though it's not likely).

Fair enough.

[Zander?]

This is such a clown show. I'm going to have to lower darthe into my want to lynch if Zander was like this and Darthe still said Zander is just biased.

 

Im not following.

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okaaaaayyyyy peeps! So everybody's votes were just scattered everywhere.

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (1) - Kivam

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (1) - Celeste

Dice (1) - Seph

Kivam (1) - Sili

Not voting (4): Darthe, Hallia, Zander, Besie

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

Came up with a plan to find the one (or more) person that at least most people can agree on lynching.

The idea is this: if more than 5 people think a single person is scummy, and thus lynchable, these 5 are (1) not all wolves, they (2) all have their own reasons for thinking as such, and (3) if a scum member was bussing or covering, then they just doomed their own teammate.

Okay, #3 is maybe closer to hopeful thinking and might be what they want. But #1 and #2 is true. And if #2 is true, then that person, by general consensus, is the most scummy.

I'm going to vote that person, because that person is the person that the town, in general (with #1 and #2 in mind) agree on.

On page (p) 41, I asked everyone for at least 3 of their top wtl. This is the outcome:

Besie - p41 - Shad, Hallia, Turin, Darthe

Sili - p41- Seph, Shad, Kivam

Lenlo - p41 - NO - p42 Seph, Celeste

Celeste - p41 - Turin, Sili

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

Shad - p45 - Hallia, Kivam

Seph - p45,46 - Dice, Hallia, Sili, Kivam, Celeste , Nyn, Turin, Darthe

Dice - p46,47 - Seph, Nyn

Nyn - p48 - Celeste, Darthe, Turin

Turin - p50 - ????, Thane (voted)

Thane - ????

Darthe - ????

Kivam - ????

Eldrick - ????

When each person is then sorted according to how many people is wtl him/her, the list is as follows:

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

So, [v]Kivam [/v]

Something that looks odd to me is that with the same number of votes at 4 and 3 the people I have as town (myself and shad) were listed at the top and the people I find as suspects (Celeste, Darthe {New} Seph) were listed under. there may be some innocent reason for this but it looks sketchy to me.

 

found some other funny things in the search but that will wait for the morning. I actually searched on mobile.

Are you saying Besie looks sketchy cause she tabulated everyone's WTL.....cause unless youre claiming her math is wrong, this is awful.

I am NOT saying that her math is wrong. I am saying that she framed the results in a manner to cast more doubt on townies than on people that I have found suspect during the course of the game. Kiv was town. I know I;m town (I understand this is my PoV and you may not be able to see that for whatever reason). Celeste has been a question mark to me. Darthe has been a bit weird but I am sort of waiting to see what happens by end of day. I am saying that the people I think are townies are getting put nearer the top of the list to make it look like they are worse than the ones below. It is a psychological thing IMO. Start at tht top of the list and work your way down. The pattern repeats going down the list as Shad (claimed mason) and Hallia (dead townie) are both above Seph.

 

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

also think turin is saying her math is swrong and that's why and yeah that much is sketchy lol.

See above.

This is awful.

 

Besie didnt choose the order this was the averages of EVERYONE;'s WTL.

 

Youre reaching here badly.

 

Likely vote on you coming after I catch up.

 

A computer didn't generate that list, she did. Therefore the formatting and which names went where within the same cote blocks was entirely up to her. I am saying that IMO it looks like the people that are either confirmed town or are people I am town reading were put at the top of each strata. You think it means nothing. I think it means something.

 

Place your vote if you feel like it.

Lol... I generated it from wtl lists. I even added page numbers of where each person gave their wtl list. Lol. Why would I edit and fake the list and then still give reliable information so that you can check up on me if you wanted to?

Why can you not understand? I never doubted the numbers themselves. To fake the data would be beyond foolish. I stated that you put people you wanted to make look worse higher on the list WITHIN the limits you could. Example: Shad, Hallia and Seph all had 3 points. Shad(claimed mason) and Hallia (dead townie) were placed higher than Seph, who I have as a suspect.

 

Do you get what I'm saying now?

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okaaaaayyyyy peeps! So everybody's votes were just scattered everywhere.

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (1) - Kivam

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (1) - Celeste

Dice (1) - Seph

Kivam (1) - Sili

Not voting (4): Darthe, Hallia, Zander, Besie

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

Came up with a plan to find the one (or more) person that at least most people can agree on lynching.

The idea is this: if more than 5 people think a single person is scummy, and thus lynchable, these 5 are (1) not all wolves, they (2) all have their own reasons for thinking as such, and (3) if a scum member was bussing or covering, then they just doomed their own teammate.

Okay, #3 is maybe closer to hopeful thinking and might be what they want. But #1 and #2 is true. And if #2 is true, then that person, by general consensus, is the most scummy.

I'm going to vote that person, because that person is the person that the town, in general (with #1 and #2 in mind) agree on.

On page (p) 41, I asked everyone for at least 3 of their top wtl. This is the outcome:

Besie - p41 - Shad, Hallia, Turin, Darthe

Sili - p41- Seph, Shad, Kivam

Lenlo - p41 - NO - p42 Seph, Celeste

Celeste - p41 - Turin, Sili

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

Shad - p45 - Hallia, Kivam

Seph - p45,46 - Dice, Hallia, Sili, Kivam, Celeste , Nyn, Turin, Darthe

Dice - p46,47 - Seph, Nyn

Nyn - p48 - Celeste, Darthe, Turin

Turin - p50 - ????, Thane (voted)

Thane - ????

Darthe - ????

Kivam - ????

Eldrick - ????

When each person is then sorted according to how many people is wtl him/her, the list is as follows:

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

So, [v]Kivam [/v]

Something that looks odd to me is that with the same number of votes at 4 and 3 the people I have as town (myself and shad) were listed at the top and the people I find as suspects (Celeste, Darthe {New} Seph) were listed under. there may be some innocent reason for this but it looks sketchy to me.

 

found some other funny things in the search but that will wait for the morning. I actually searched on mobile.

Are you saying Besie looks sketchy cause she tabulated everyone's WTL.....cause unless youre claiming her math is wrong, this is awful.

I am NOT saying that her math is wrong. I am saying that she framed the results in a manner to cast more doubt on townies than on people that I have found suspect during the course of the game. Kiv was town. I know I;m town (I understand this is my PoV and you may not be able to see that for whatever reason). Celeste has been a question mark to me. Darthe has been a bit weird but I am sort of waiting to see what happens by end of day. I am saying that the people I think are townies are getting put nearer the top of the list to make it look like they are worse than the ones below. It is a psychological thing IMO. Start at tht top of the list and work your way down. The pattern repeats going down the list as Shad (claimed mason) and Hallia (dead townie) are both above Seph.

 

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

also think turin is saying her math is swrong and that's why and yeah that much is sketchy lol.

See above.

This is awful.

 

Besie didnt choose the order this was the averages of EVERYONE;'s WTL.

 

Youre reaching here badly.

 

Likely vote on you coming after I catch up.

 

A computer didn't generate that list, she did. Therefore the formatting and which names went where within the same cote blocks was entirely up to her. I am saying that IMO it looks like the people that are either confirmed town or are people I am town reading were put at the top of each strata. You think it means nothing. I think it means something.

 

Place your vote if you feel like it.

Lol... I generated it from wtl lists. I even added page numbers of where each person gave their wtl list. Lol. Why would I edit and fake the list and then still give reliable information so that you can check up on me if you wanted to?

Why can you not understand? I never doubted the numbers themselves. To fake the data would be beyond foolish. I stated that you put people you wanted to make look worse higher on the list WITHIN the limits you could. Example: Shad, Hallia and Seph all had 3 points. Shad(claimed mason) and Hallia (dead townie) were placed higher than Seph, who I have as a suspect.

 

Do you get what I'm saying now?

Yep, thanks.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

This is such a clown show. I'm going to have to lower darthe into my want to lynch if Zander was like this and Darthe still said Zander is just biased.

 

Im not following.

 

You're tilting me so hard Darthe is tilting me.