[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Guest]

 

Zander was a very Eldrick, Celeste, Besie, Seph kill. I will say that much.

Zander didn't want to kill me...?

 

 

I don't even think Zander's defense of Besie really matters there because (1) besie is a team player, and (2) scum!besie this game thinks about appearances too much.

I don't understand. Are you defending me? Aren't you voting me? I'm confused.

 

 

Besie has 75 posts since the beginning of night on page 58 or so. It has been 48 pages since then, but most of it was at night so the thread has obviously slowed down some probably because we already know who the lynch is but we're procastinating. Anyway, point is that iun the span of 2 days she's posted about 50% less than she posted day 1 and she's posted mostly fluff afaict. If anyone has another opinion on this, please speak now.

Sorry, what? Have you read the thread properly actually? I've been defending myself. That's not fluff. And secondly,  you already know all my thoughts on almost everyone. I've nothing to add except to wait for the mislynch that D2 is going towards atm.

 

And if I'm mislynched, then I don't have anything to add to what I've already said either.

 

 

Keep in mind that her experiment with gathering names was mostly wolfy because it is unusual for town to focus on that for pages and pages and then votes off wagon leaving it up to rng. It really only happens when the villager is confused and doesn't know how to help. Furthermore I've yet to see a single post of hers that was upset about how people did not consolidate which was the entire point of her collecting her names, and certainly the majority of her posts at the time were bent to exactly that purpose. So indeed if she was a confused villager who was that intent on helping I have yet to see a continuation of that in her lower post count today as her wagon was run up.

1. It's Monday.

2. I have a full time job.

3. Why should I be upset? People can do what they want. I never said they must follow me. A bad leader is one that forces people to things against their will. A good leader makes people want to follow them on their own accord.

4. See #2.

5. D1 and N1 was during the weekend.

6. I live in GMT +2 zone.

 

I don't mind that you count posts and what - not, but I need you to keep in mind little things like time of day, and hours at work. I work from 07:00 to about 20:00 every day.

 

I see in Turin 's ISO of me on p107 he also somehow, conveniently, forgot that it was weekend. And I believe I said that I was using every off period I could find to do mafia.  Why didn't you quote that one?

 

I also save quotes on my phone. I'm 99% of the time on my phone. So when I have an off minute, I read maf. When I want to respond to something, I quote it and answer it in a sticky note. Later I just copy and paste everything into posts when I have caught up. I like doing this as it prevents me from answering already answered questions too. They aren't fake. They're very much real.

 

You also literally only used certain posts. Like the "why not" one. I answered it in full. And then I snarkily added another answer: "why not". Your ISO on me is flawed.

 

It's also very biased. You made many of those comments as though I knew they were town before their flip. I did not. Let me actually quote the part I'm talking about:

 

 

 

 

 

This is what I get for passing on mobile with a now-mobile one year old distracting me. Meant to finish that first sentence with "anyone else"? Or are the rest of us here?

 

For now: [v]zander[/v]

Raisins?

You and Hally seem to be avoiding each other. Considering how well you read each other, that suggests one or both of you may be a wolf

!!!!!!!

 

 

You're right!!! They talked like they were 2 peas in a pod in the previous game.

Jumps right on how TOWN Z1.0 and TOWN Hallia are "different" and it sounds like implying that there is something to it.

 

All these posts by you, many flawed, really sounds like a scum trying to nail down a town. The fact that you're even going for the masons makes me think that you're even trying to wedge in a foot there to see if you can mislynch them too. I think you are misjudging the amount of trust all the actual town are putting in your reads. Sili, with his horrid and confusing posts, agreeing with everything you say, is either a blind town or a scum teammate. I'm still deciding which.

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol Len

 

I'm leaving it to 50/50. I am for both Hallia and Kivam, so let's see.

Yeah I know. What happened to trusting your town core Bess? I thought 6 voices were better then 1? I thought you were bringing them togther to FIGHT THE RANDOM

Lol Len. I don't see what your problem is, honey. It was an idea that you obviously hated. Only 3 towns actually went for the plan.

 

 

... okay 3 people that I hope is town.

 

 

 

 

 

Lol Len

 

I'm leaving it to 50/50. I am for both Hallia and Kivam, so let's see.

Yeah I know. What happened to trusting your town core Bess? I thought 6 voices were better then 1? I thought you were bringing them togther to FIGHT THE RANDOM

Lol Len. I don't see what your problem is, honey. It was an idea that you obviously hated. Only 3 towns actually went for the plan.

After day ended but before hallia flipped.

 

Wanna reconsider???

 

No not really.

 

Why didnt you quote her follow up.

Because it was irrelevant. It was the initial post that is damning. Think back to the Eldrick voting Thane and then Turin back when Eld and Thane were mafia together. That is what it means to slip. Just because she (and he did as well) went back and caught it does not erase the first post.

 

 

So you were saying about a slip. And I understand why you say this. I've done it before. But in this post:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you saying Besie looks sketchy cause she tabulated everyone's WTL.....cause unless youre claiming her math is wrong, this is awful.

 

I am NOT saying that her math is wrong. I am saying that she framed the results in a manner to cast more doubt on townies than on people that I have found suspect during the course of the game. Kiv was town. I know I;m town (I understand this is my PoV and you may not be able to see that for whatever reason). Celeste has been a question mark to me. Darthe has been a bit weird but I am sort of waiting to see what happens by end of day. I am saying that the people I think are townies are getting put nearer the top of the list to make it look like they are worse than the ones below. It is a psychological thing IMO. Start at tht top of the list and work your way down. The pattern repeats going down the list as Shad (claimed mason) and Hallia (dead townie) are both above Seph.

 

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

 

 

also think turin is saying her math is swrong and that's why and yeah that much is sketchy lol.

See above.

 

First you say the bolded part, which sounds like TMI. And then, later in the same post, you fix yourself. It reads like an afterthought. My point is, that sounds like a slip and a fix in the same post. You honestly want to say that my doing the exact same thing - but stretched over 2 posts that were sent directly after one another - was more scummy than your doing it within one post?

 

I forgot to bold it.

The 'slip' is: "...to cast more doubt on townies...";

And the 'fix' is: "...I am saying that the people I think are townies..."

[Guest]

And that's a bit broken but you get the idea.

[Turin Turambar]

Bes, if that is what you've got you should just post funny cat pictures. 

[Guest]

No one better peek Eldrick this time.

Why?

[Guest]

No need to be rude, Turin.

[Turin Turambar]

How about you give an updated reads lists with reasons?

[Guest]

How about you give an updated reads lists with reasons?

Town - Shad, Dice, Thane, Celeste

Null - NZan, Eldrick

Perhaps scum - Sili, Darthe

Scum - Turin, Seph, Lenlo

 

 

Town - same reasons as last time.

Null - Funshine Bear because I don't know; I'm still biased. Eldrick I'm still deciding on but there's been a few off posts. There's also been a few good posts.

Perhaps scum - Sili because there's been a few odd posts that I disliked, constantly giving mixed reasons. Darthe was in my scum reads previously - felt more towny since p75.

Scum - reasons as before. Even more convinced Turin is scum now. Atm I think the scum team (if there's only 3) is Turin/Seph/and. Still deciding who the "and" is.

[Lenlo]

Still deciding who the and ia, yet lists me in wolf reads.

 

Puts her two biggest aggressors in wolf reads.

 

I was town like literally a day or so ago, curious what changed.

 

Taking a soft stance on new Zander. Really weird.

 

Lynch this turkey.

[Turin Turambar]

No need to be rude, Turin.

sorry.

 

Not meant to be personal. I will refrain from being cheeky.

[Guest]

Still deciding who the and ia, yet lists me in wolf reads.

 

Puts her two biggest aggressors in wolf reads.

 

I was town like literally a day or so ago, curious what changed.

 

Taking a soft stance on new Zander. Really weird.

 

Lynch this turkey.

We're you? Please quote it for me.

[Guest]

Still deciding who the and ia, yet lists me in wolf reads.

 

Puts her two biggest aggressors in wolf reads.

 

I was town like literally a day or so ago, curious what changed.

 

Taking a soft stance on new Zander. Really weird.

 

Lynch this turkey.

And yes. What do you expect of me? I didn't have much of a read on Nyn either. Even less on NZan.

[Guest]

 

Still deciding who the and ia, yet lists me in wolf reads.

 

Puts her two biggest aggressors in wolf reads.

 

I was town like literally a day or so ago, curious what changed.

 

Taking a soft stance on new Zander. Really weird.

 

Lynch this turkey.

We're you? Please quote it for me.

*sigh*

 

Were, not we're

[Guest]

Again,

 

Seph, on p41 I asked why dice's posts bother you.

On p85 I asked why you voted me last second.

I also asked who you think the scum team is.

 

Lenlo, on p85 I asked who you think the scum team is, and

on p108 I asked what you'd think if I were town.

 

Shad,

On P108 I asked what you would think if I'm town.

 

The lack of answers is quite alarming for some of the questions I've asked and repeated multiple times now. Please go look where I asked it and answer them.

[seph]

I literally have explained both of those besie.

Anyways I need to reread to form some actual opinions here as I am pretty far behind. Most of what I read was skimming.

 

Things that bother me.

1. Dice- I want to iso him but I have been his main suspect from the beginning, and I don't remember him going at anyways else. Yet at eod he follows me on hallia once I thought Kivam was town and pulled a 180 to keep him alive, unfortunately the person I chose was town.

Dice why would you ever follow your top scum read at eod?

 

Z2- I honestly disliked most of nuns d1 play. She gave out reads without much meaning, and really just didn't see her trying to game solve. Here we are on day 2 with z2.

What has he actually done today? I honestly need to reread to see what he was posting because I just saw him defending besie. What is bothering me here is if town zander actually went this hard in defending someone, he would have placed his vote. I have no idea who he wants to lynch, but for defending besie as hard as he did he is the only one not voting.

 

[unvote] until o have time to iso in a few hours

[Lenlo]

Beds I've been in my speech class all morning. I couldn't have answered that. Also my wtl is pretty obvious.

 

If you flip town then I'm wrong. But that doesn't make Turin wolf. It would look bad for him and me most likely, but I know I'm town, clearly town for those paying attention.

[Guest]

Thanks seph, and Lenlo.

 

I agree with most of what you're saying, Seph. It was a bit strange on dice. Z2 hasn't done anything today, but he's still sick. What bothers me is also that he hasn't done anything other than defend me, or at least, nothing that I picked up as a possible alignment indication.

[seph]

If anyone cares, look at besie atm and how she reacted to being called a wolf in just her last game.

 

I plan on doing it as well, but her last game it seemed really obvious imo

[Celeste]

 

 

 

I think Kivam might have been killed because of his claim. Zander is the kill I don't understand.

Can you explain?

 

I think with Hallia flipping her role that Kivam is basically cleared going into D2.

 

I don't follow this at all.

 

How does Hally flipping VT make Kivam also VT?

 

As I said before to Besie, it's the easiest friggin role to fake claim. Just because Hally was telling the truth, doesn't mean Kivam was.

 

He was, but that's a silly reason to think he got killed for it.

 

It's just that it's more likely to be true. It's something I see happening.

[Darthe]

So what do you all think of this zander in comparison to the first one?

[Darthe]

Still deciding who the and ia, yet lists me in wolf reads.

 

Puts her two biggest aggressors in wolf reads.

 

I was town like literally a day or so ago, curious what changed.

 

Taking a soft stance on new Zander. Really weird.

 

Lynch this turkey.

Question inspired by this post ftr

[Darthe]

Wait, bessie are you trying to lead this town?

[Darthe]

Celeste could you make some sort of chart that shows how your logic progresses? Dead serious btw, I wanna see you work out your math apl the way through at least once.

[Guest]

Wait, bessie are you trying to lead this town?

Besie*

 

Yeah, I tried to at the end of D1, but I think it's quite clear that I know nothing. Right now I'd much rather just stand back and hope for a red flip. I'm very worried that i'm still getting it wrong.

[Celeste]

Celeste could you make some sort of chart that shows how your logic progresses? Dead serious btw, I wanna see you work out your math apl the way through at least once.

I look for fake tone mostly and patterns that don't add up with someone's previous game. That shows if they come from a town or scum mindset. That's why when new people play i'm like in the background or people I don't know how to read well. I have said this in previous games Darthe. It's why i'm pushing Turin because I don't think he's town.