[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Sili Quirrels]

 

more Celsete.

 

 

 

Penneh Ive noticed youve gone anonymous this game....

 

Any particular reason....

Because I'm pretty much invisible mode on every site but dragonmount and forgot to start doing it until you mentioned me last game for lurking.

 

This is an interesting find by Z1.0 now. I still don't go with that stuff too much tho.

 

[v]Turin[/v] I don't really like his tone this game. Also his push of Thane is weird.

Here is her vote of me. If you look at it it is the only thing she actually follows up on. 

 

 

[V]Celeste [/v]

Choo choo

why? If it's because I'm not posting all the time than I'm calling bs.

 

Calls out Len for his vote even tho I think he had been sussing her earlier. Again she tries to steer the reasoning to something that she can try to defend or make excuses for.  

 

 

Did I miss a Mason claim somewhere? Can someone quote it/give me a post number to go find?

 

[v]Turin[/v] I don't really like his tone this game. Also his push of Thane is weird.

This all you got? Really? After that "catchup"?

omfg i'm still doing the reading. I don't really re-read much and have to alter my play for DM a bit. what more do you fudging want lenlo?

 

she get upset at Len here (or seems to). she said it was part two of her catchup and there wasn't another big post (I think) so The still reading thing looks faked. More town points for Len based on her dealing with him.

 

 

 

 

[V]Celeste [/v]

Choo choo

why? If it's because I'm not posting all the time than I'm calling bs.

 

What didnt notice this on reread? Also wheres the calling out Nyn one?

 

At first it was an experiment, which is why I didnt give reasons, since I was going to be in class for 3 hours. I wanted to see what would happen this close to deadline. 

Im not a fan of your catchup, your vote or tone.

 

what about Nyn? She had a reason for her vote as far as I see.  What about my tone or vote? Have you seen the push he is doing towards thane?

 

Note: this reads as subtle defense of Nyn(now Z2.0). immediately followed by deflection onto her Turin case. Possible Z connection there.  

 

Turin, Sili, and idk about the last one. 

Mafia tend to include one teammate in their sus list. No matter how few there are.

 

 

 

Ugh such a bad day today, I don't know what is wrong with what I have said this game compared to the rest. Lenlo saying I have no backing is kind of pathetic because It is a base line for reads.

Pathetic? Cant defend so go on the attack. Personal attack.

 

Base line for reads? What does that even mean? You were asked for a WTL and provided two names you had never spoken of or mentioned up to that point. As if they were pulled out of a hat. 

 

How is that a personal attack? I voted Turin, who I don't feel strongly about with his push of Thane. A mason is a risky claim and soft claim. Sili is more of a gut read.

 

continues the Turin push. Sili is only a gut read that she would be able to back away from easily. 

 

As for who I think is town, I have Seph and Besie as slight town. Zander makes me scratch my head as usual.

Seph, (unknown) Besie (town) that she had to vote later. Z(1.0 Town I think).

 

 

Len looks much better in this section. I do as well but I will leave that for others to weigh in about.

 

Sili and Z both question marks for me. 

 

finish last parts of this after I run an errand.

 

How can Sili be a question mark for you?

 

Other then Shad/Thane is most obv Town imo.

 

did you read his mq?

 

it's explained sort of.

[Zander?]

 

Yaaaay. No more self doubt! Who needs retrospection?!

Anyone who voted Besie and maybe Dice =D

 

 

Legit lolololololol'd in rl.

[Shad_]

lol @ me

[Shad_]

I probably won't get into this much until this evening.

[Shad_]

Might poke my head in occasionally but need to recharge a bit.

[Zander?]

Last part of Celeste. I left out most of what I posted in the catch up from when she voted Besie. Which was mostly how I was so bad.

 

 

 

 

Zander I'm ~4 pages behind but who do you wtl?

 

Im almost caught up and havent had a chance to reread yet.

 

Other then one comment Darthe has made he's done nothing to make me feel any better then I did as old me D1.

 

Dont like Turin's or Lenlo's pushes/cases against Besie. Still dont like Turin's very early comment about Besie HAVING to be SK if there were   Need to ISO them both to see. 

 

Penny has done nothing this game and basically just stopped posting.

 

Kinda where Im at now.

 

 

 

 

lolme.

 

Who is your WTL?

I've been waffling all over the place.

 

Turin atm. Celeste can die but I'd rather she be peeked since I feel like it's pretty much rand and a pure POE lynch. I'd let Darthe live to see another day personally but he should never survive lylo with his current performance. Lenlo's a little sketch but his thread presence alone is worth something.

 

Things could change a lot for me between now and EoD.

 

I feel like Seph jumped ship and I don't know what's up with that because I really liked him D1.

 

Dude, I don't know how many times I said this but I am really preoccupied during the active times of the game. If you have questions than ask but I will continue to say what's on my mind. I don't give a damn if people think i'm scummy for it. 

 

Interesting aside in that Z 2.0 is sussing Lenlo, Turin and Darthe. Basically the same people that Celeste is even tho Z has her as a mafia read. I am feeling pretty confident that Len is town now. I know that I'm town and have wavered on Darthe. But If Z is mafia here then I think that it looks good for Darthe.  

 

I think that the Turin lynch really took off after shad put me down as lynchable. The mafia took this as a green light IMO.

 

Celeste post is only bad AtE. I think at this point that she was giving up because there was no way she was gonna make it to endgame. As noted earlier Z couldn't very well switch up his Celeste read to vote Besie over her so he was stuck.

 

 

 

Turin is being really TMI this whole game and his tone/back tracking comments are doing him much. Nobody has gotten an answer from him on why he thinks their is an SK. This setup is closed and mostly seen VT flips. I'm not sure on much except that Turin is being super scummy. 

 

Darthe is super null to me and doesn't really sit well with him saying little and not voting. I want him to answer these questions.

 

1. What are your top scum?
2. What do you think about besie compared with her other games? 

 

Lenlo is mostly giving complete BS for me being scum. I don't really understand it when it's basically my usual play.

Do you even know what im saying in why I find you wolfy?

 

How bout you answer those questions, since youve done just as little as Darthe? Less actually.

 

How have I done little when I have less time to be in the thread? My top scum are in that post, you have me wavering a bit. Besie I think is slight town based purely on her tone.

 

Apparently these are Celeste top scum. Same three others as Z is sussing aside from Celeste herself. Pretty sure He doesn't do this as town. (recall healso vogted me after Celeste and Darthe but later after he unvoted said that he didn't like my train because both of them were on it. Again Celeste was mafia. If Z is also then it looks good for Darthe IMO.

 

LOL at the underlined. It basically confirms that she isn't doing much.

 

 

Celeste could you make some sort of chart that shows how your logic progresses? Dead serious btw, I wanna see you work out your math apl the way through at least once.

I look for fake tone mostly and patterns that don't add up with someone's previous game. That shows if they come from a town or scum mindset. That's why when new people play i'm like in the background or people I don't know how to read well. I have said this in previous games Darthe. It's why i'm pushing Turin because I don't think he's town.

 

Gobbledegook. but thos becomes a bit of an argument that I think looks good for Darthe also. 

 

@ Shad The difference between the Zander's I see is he doesn't really give much thought after his 1st death, not sure what that means but it's slightly suspicious to me. He's consistent with his defense of Besie which gives him town points. He asks questions but doesn't really follow through with them as much as he did. Those are the main points.

Zander is mentioned but it is very wishy washy. Yet she has already listed him in her 3 most likely mafia.  

 

I haven't liked Turin at all. My PoE for now is Turin > Darthe > Zander 2.0. I regret switching to besie but it was out of self pres and nobody was going to trust me on Turin.

okay... I'm town. I'm thinking Darthe is getting spewed town here and Z is most likely getting spewed mafia.

 

I'm not letting myself get lynched over my EoD. I'm town and really don't believe Turin's claim.

And then she does absolutely nothing to show she is town. No #werk. No complete read list. No claim. Nothing. Trying hard not to spew more.

 

Eldrick that is a horrible reason to vote me. Have you not noticed I have been saying "I'm busy this game and low activity" I don' like the reason you have.

More likely this spews Eld town also. I doubt that mafia being bussed is gonna call out a teammate for a bad vote. 

 

I'm pretty fudging tired now. I was trying to keep up today and Zander is a bit more scummy than his previous day so he is moving up in my PoE. Then Dice's reactions to the push on him are really fake and coming from a scum mindset. People aren't listening to my read of Turin still. Right now my PoE is Turin/Dice > Zander > Darthe

 

[v]Dice[/v]

Late Dice vote literally from nowhere. This is anti spew mode for sure. I  don't even think she had mentioned him previously. Zander gets moved up to be in front of Darthe also. I would not be surprised at all if they were both on her team. 

 

 

 

 

Spew report:

 

Town:

Eldrick

Lenlo

Turin

Darthe

Seph

 

Mafia: 

Zander/Nyn

Dice 

Sili

 

I think if we can properly coordinate town actions tonight we can really do some damage to the mafia tonight.

 

This is not only a bad reads list  the last sentence looks like posturing himself into what he's trying to sell as he should be obv Town.

[Sili Quirrels]

 basically he has done a spew analysis thing, and because celeste was uncertain how to treat me at various points he 'thinks' i'm a wolf.

 

it's up to you whether you believe his reasons are legit.

[Eldrick4221]

I need to stop reading. I'm not retaining any of it.

 

Good night.

[Zander?]

 

Disgusting.

Poor Sili. You say that my analysis is too simple. I say that unless it was a set plan right from the start simple is most likely (KISS).

 

Maybe you should shoot me. It's probably gonna result in your death tho. unless you RB me too. Then at least it will be someone else get their action thru.

 

Darthe, I am considering holstering but I think the mafia need to know they might be shooting themselves in the face. 

 

 

Fear mongering?

[Thane Vakarian]

Well at least we're moving forward now.

you're welcome *bows*

 

 

 

Here, lets line some stuff up.

 

Vig plz shoot one of len/zander/eldrick/dice/Sili if you have a shot. If not please dont say so til morning.

 

Turin please bd one of shad/i with someone who they are never gonna kill, a la the masons or yourself. Kinda safe it.

 

Investigator plz aim at one of the four the vig is going at. Maybe at the lined out ones to confirm. Otherwise the risk is of doubling up which is wasteful. Also, if the masons haven't been checked yet they need to be.

 

Doc plz protect one of me/shad.

FTFY

 

Have you been drinking at the office? How do you have me targeting shad to protect and then say I should move it to Shad/Thane because mafia wouldn't kill them? 

 

 

Why would Mafia shoot Shad/Thane over someone else?

 

You can not mislynch confirmed townies, so the only way to get rid of those is by NK. Mafia 101 imo.

 

By daybreak, I think I can and will break this game wide open. Saved something for tonight, and decided it's the right moment to do it. Not going to explain further, just asking mt fellow townies to trust me on this.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Disgusting.

Poor Sili. You say that my analysis is too simple. I say that unless it was a set plan right from the start simple is most likely (KISS).

 

Maybe you should shoot me. It's probably gonna result in your death tho. unless you RB me too. Then at least it will be someone else get their action thru.

 

Darthe, I am considering holstering but I think the mafia need to know they might be shooting themselves in the face. 

 

 

Fear mongering?

 

more like posturing.

[Zander?]

So sad, I vigged you tonight

 

Was this to Sili or me because both are stupid.

[Sili Quirrels]

town posture too though. it doesn't mean a lot in the scheme of things.

[Sili Quirrels]

zander, this might be a silly question, and i am frazzled enough to not want to ask, but are you taking my side in this me v turin because you want to pocket me?

[Sili Quirrels]

idk maybe im paranoid.

[Zander?]

Yeah remember that time I randomly lynched my town read instead of her..........

 

sadface,gif

[Zander?]

 

 

Turin was the person who wouldn't get a joke even after it was explained to him, and Nyn lobbed him a softball.

 

You know, we can lynch Zander first. I am okay with that. But it would satiate my pride if Turin was a wolf and we had him for dinner tomorrow.

 

Are you gonna make me do something stupid Sili?

 

 

Gimme a break. I'll decide later. Yes you seem a likely wolf. Yes I am glad you are seeing the same things are about Turin. That makes me feel better. Yes, I felt like your push on celeste and defense of bessie might not be wolf motivated but i'm going to have to process it.

 

 

Do so and reread me imo.

[Zander?]

 

 

I get credit for voting her over Besie yesterday. You and everyone on Besie at the end of the day do not. Today doesn't matter. Day 2 does.

 

But I dont?

 

Cause you're zander :P

 

you sort of do, but i don't think it's equivalent because i was on besie and could have stayed on besie without drawing any negative attention, whereas you had actively defended her.

 

 

sadface.gif

 

This does make sense tho.

[Turin Turambar]

So sad, I vigged you tonight

So sili is dying tonight???

Isn't Dice's tone normal?

 

That's basically what my 30 page reread found. Man his tone was compelling to me. No idea if that's how I should be reading him, but he felt town quite a few times.

nice.

 

And of course he was a counter-wagon to a wolf. And Turin has been harping on that thing about him sheeping too much I think. -lazy imho.

You have Dice as town for tone??? okay...

 

lazy thinking.

Is Dice's sheep voting indicative of a townie mindset to you??

 

 

Hyperbole dude, he is lowest behind dice but I have a gulf of space between the two.

 

Hey turin don't use your power tonight actually. If you accidentally get the wrong person killed that's gonna go badly for you, better to holster

that's assuming he's town.

 

Well I am. We will see who lives tonight. I bet it's not me.

 

 

Acceptable. Why do you think seph can be?

uh he hasn't given me those same town vibes yet. It's really as simple as that. I guess you could call him a null rn. If I found something something scummy about him in my reread it wasn't notable enough for me to remember anyway.

 

Night 3 and that is the best you have for basing reads on? Thanks for playing.

 

Right. Seph was asking questions about ppl a lot in the beginning.

so scummy

 

If Zander is a wolf Turin's equity goes up because if Zander is a wolf the wolves were openly bussing, and if that's the case there was a clear incentive structure for celeste to bus in case she got lynched first.

Said no wolf ever when their teammate is getting heavy pressure. Make your target their teammate. Never mind that Z 2.0 has been more sus of me than any other player not named Celeste.

 

 

I tell you what wolves. you wanna shoot me go for it. I can't target myself. Do you believe that???

 

I guess we will see if they think it is worth getting me out of the game or trying to frame me as mafia by not shooting at me.

 

Right now gonna switch Sili and someone I think. Maybe Z and someone.

 

Maybe I will just holster. Then nothing else gets mixed up. What do people think I should do?   

[Zander?]

Not gonna quote Turins entire post just this part.

 

No, I think you dying as town with purpose fits. You would probably do it as a wolf too if you'd do it as town - really very little difference. Regardless this has nothing to do with what troubles me. Claiming like you did has no purpose. As town it was better to lie about certain things and to frame it better if you needed to claim.

"Again you don't know me. Darthe is a bit off in that characterization IMO. He even admitted that He doesn't have a real handle on me. So if you wanna try to blame Darthe later on about your reading me wrong go ahead. 

 

I very rarely lie about my role as town. I might not give all information but I very rarely lie and almost never completely fake. It just isn't part of my game. Ask someone if you feel the need."

 

 

 

It didnt read to me that someone wasnt implying you were Town and lying about your role.

 

So I dont know why you felt the need to respond this way at all.

[Zander?]

I hate the gaps I have in the thread. I really need to sit down and read the whole thing.

 

Maybe I'll find time to do that tomorrow. It is my day off.

 

 

Read tomorrow as later today. Friggin overnight shifts.

 

You have a long laundered list of excuses this game.

[Sili Quirrels]

You have Dice as town for tone??? okay...

 

not in the least comparable because i'm not harping about it.

 

 

Is Dice's sheep voting indicative of a townie mindset to you??

 

 

it's not sufficient for me.

 

Well I am. We will see who lives tonight. I bet it's not me.

 

derp clear denied, although attempt noted.

 

Night 3 and that is the best you have for basing reads on? Thanks for playing.

 

 

on seph yes. but he's not a focus of mine. my problem with your case on me is that it is a focus of yours.

[Zander?]

 

I clearly missed something huge. Why is Darthe so cleared that we are talking about protecting him?

idk. he got to me.

 

 

Hope you dont catch something.

 

 

lololololololol

[Turin Turambar]

sorry turin, i think i'm done for now.

 

we can settle it at you're wrong and i'm right but i'm a bastard about it.

Mafia brush off post. 

[Sili Quirrels]

Not gonna quote Turins entire post just this part.

 

No, I think you dying as town with purpose fits. You would probably do it as a wolf too if you'd do it as town - really very little difference. Regardless this has nothing to do with what troubles me. Claiming like you did has no purpose. As town it was better to lie about certain things and to frame it better if you needed to claim.

"Again you don't know me. Darthe is a bit off in that characterization IMO. He even admitted that He doesn't have a real handle on me. So if you wanna try to blame Darthe later on about your reading me wrong go ahead. 

 

I very rarely lie about my role as town. I might not give all information but I very rarely lie and almost never completely fake. It just isn't part of my game. Ask someone if you feel the need."

 

 

 

It didnt read to me that someone wasnt implying you were Town and lying about your role.

 

So I dont know why you felt the need to respond this way at all.

I was saying that if he was town that he should probably have framed his claim better, and I'd argue would have - but again need to process some information before I reaffirm that claim.