MAFIA KART WII [BASIC] - Mafia Sweep

Sooh · April 22, 2016

(I really don't want to read this whole game)

Lizabeth · April 22, 2016

2k posts. I'm not sure if I'll be able to read all of that. Got a summary for me? Recent lists of scummy-towny?

Okay, here's my summary. I think it would be good for multiple people to post their versions by the way.

I don't have the reads lists marked, but I know that Zander, Thane, and I think Sili have provided them? Maybe Darthe? Seph also provided one sometime back I believe and Zander quoted it somewhere close to end of day I believe.

My take on what happened:

Main pushes/vote focuses of the day:

Me against Calder

Calder and Chris against Seph

Zander against Celeste

Sili against pretty much everyone

By about middish day, the votes were stacked 3 on Calder (your predecessors RVS vote that he never came back to do anything about, Seph, and mine) and 2 on Seph (Calder and Chris) and 1 on Darthe and 1 on Celeste I believe? There might have been 4 players with 1 vote against them at some point in the day.

Seph rolled off of Calder leaving it 2 on Calder and 2 on Seph. No one wanted to vote Calder so I rolled onto Seph (that sounds wrong...but you know what i mean :D)

Votes then started to stack up on Celeste. I believe first Thane and then Hally so it was 3 vs. 3. I can't remember all the back and forth, but votes started stacking upon bth of them and basically it was Celeste and Seph trading off on being the lead lynch over the last 24 hours or so of the game.

But then I think Calder moved off of Seph and moved over onto Sili (who might have already had a vote - this is the lazy version of a recap, sorry!) and the vote tilted towards Seph. Then I think Sili was on Celeste and moved back to Seph after Seph made a comment.

I tried not to inject my interpretation and just inject my recall of the events, so feel free to ask me questions about what I thought of what happened. And getting other people's persepctives would be good too.

Lizabeth · April 22, 2016

But to answer your questions.

-Nothing's changed in my read of Calder. My town read of him was not dependent on Seph being mafia and Calder being town by association (though I'd guess it probably factored in at some level). I didn't think have any problems with his points about Seph before the lynch. I'm not going to crucify the guy because his initial take wasn't right. If anything, I almost want to say Seph flipping town makes him look better because of his roll off. His grasp on the game beyond Seph sounded good, as well, even if I didn't necessarily agree with it.

-Still would go heavily on you being town, though maybe with just a hair less confidence. Seph flipping town after you basically admitted that you were voting him to get a lynch train going isn't something I can really feel BETTER about you for, but I can't say there's no town motivation for it either. I said yesterday I wasn't going to chastise Sili for one small thing after liking most of his play; I liked your D1 play better than anybody's, so suddenly suspecting about you just because Seph was town would be one hell of an over reaction.

Okay, so question - if you think I didn't make the best decision on Seph, what would you have suggested that I do instead?

Clovdyx · April 22, 2016

What do YOU think of everyone now?

I have some thoughts about Calder's rolloff. If he's scum and knows that Seph is going to flip town, then rolling onto someone else makes him look pretty damn good, as you pointed out. Especially after he was so adamant about Seph all day. So yeah, I'll probably go back to pushing him quite a bit even though I really liked his play and tone during the second half of the day.

Celeste...I'm sticking to my town read on her. But I don't mind seeing a lynch wagon build up on her because I think it will be informative. And she's not doing a lot to help herself right now. If she's town as I think she is, she's not playing her A game. I disagree with her reads on Zander and Darthe, but I don't absolutely hate what she's said about why she suspects them (although I suspect that her reaction to Zander is much like her reaction to me in past games). If she's scum like others think she is, she's not bringing her A game, so she'll trip up on D2 and if she does I'll be more than glad to join in her lynch.

You...I know you hate to hear this, but I just can't ever trust because I know you're really good. But it would be disheartening to think that you're THIS good if you're scum XD

I do wonder about your persistence in voting Seph all day though, so can you explain that to me?

Cutting out the parts I don't feel the need to address.

-I don't understand. You're going to push Calder for doing something that makes him look better? I realize the guy can be manipulative and probably has a hyper sense of self-awareness, but you're admitting that he looked good for multiple reasons AND his actions irt to Seph help his image. I don't understand how you can sit there and say THAT is the person you ought to be pushing extensively. If he's mafia, who are his teammates? Because it feels like you kind of just want to lynch him to see if you were right at this point.

-I really don't have much of an issue with your reasoning here. When I first read the post, I was going to say something about how you probably shouldn't be okay with a lynch forming on somebody you're townreading. Now that I've had a little bit of time to digest it, I can sort of see where you're coming from. Bold is a really good thought process actually.

-Uh, yeah...I thought he was scum. I think I very clearly gave my reasoning throughout the day and explained my thought process about him. His answers seemed more ike he was trying to creep his way out of trouble than realistic explanations for what he was trying to say, and his initial points didn't seem genuine to me. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to do there.

Do I want the lynch back? Honestly, not really. I was wrong, and I'm not happy about it, but we had four days to make a lynch. He was the best option I had for pretty much the duration of the phase. Part of that's on him, part of that's on a player base that had a handful of inactives - and yeah, part of that's on me making a bad read. But I'm not going to apologize for making a mistake when I don't really feel like I did; I did the best with what I had to work with.

Thane Vakarian · April 22, 2016

I think you'll have some time. Nightphase will last for another.... 8+ hours i think, and the weekend should be less active.

short Thane recap:

to be lynched Celeste

never lynch: Clov, Darthe, Hallia imo

filter out Sili and Zander for faster catching up

Liz and Laine look ok, for now *nods*

Reread this thing from about page 30 and literally just made this exact list. I think I love you

it's scary that we seem to be thinking alike :unsure:

I think you'll have some time. Nightphase will last for another.... 8+ hours i think, and the weekend should be less active.

short Thane recap:

to be lynched Celeste

never lynch: Clov, Darthe, Hallia imo

filter out Sili and Zander for faster catching up

Liz and Laine look ok, for now *nods*

What? I don't have any issue with Celeste being on your lynch list after yesterday, and I'm okay with Liz and Alanna looking "ok" - though I'm far above ok on the former and still trying to decide on the latter. I don't know that I'd say Darthe is a never lynch but would certainly echo the sentiment for the imminent future...but how is Hallia THAT clear to you? Walk me through this read because I'm just not seeing it.

And the bold isn't a stance...

I know the bold isn't a stance, but it's what i typed up (sorry i'm not always 100% serious itt)

For Hallia: i think i can read her well, got her a few times as wolf. This game, we're dealing with town!Hallia. I'd bet some belgian beer on it

Sooh · April 22, 2016

Thanks Liz.

Working on catch up in another game at the moment, so I'll get back to this once I'm done over there.

Thane Vakarian · April 22, 2016

Thanks Liz.

Working on catch up in another game at the moment, so I'll get back to this once I'm done over there.

did someone ever tell you that you might be addicted to mafia?

Clovdyx · April 22, 2016

So, Sili's posts. Is he clear town yet? Can I skip reading him and one of Zander/Liz?

Opinions kinda vary. I had him as one of my stronger town reads for a decent amount of the day. He made a couple really...questionable, at best... decisions/statements towards EoD that got some pressure on him. The TL;DR is he basically rolled off Celeste onto Seph just to get a lynch through, and after people started questioning him on it, he basically explained that he had no idea that it was going to be a popular lynch - only a hammer system.

Sooh · April 22, 2016

Thanks Liz.

Working on catch up in another game at the moment, so I'll get back to this once I'm done over there.

did someone ever tell you that you might be addicted to mafia?

pot, meet kettle!

Darthe · April 22, 2016

Sooh people are divided on sili but almost everyone has a stance. Youll have to read him prob.

Dont worry about it though, I think town about has its core together

Sooh · April 22, 2016

So, Sili's posts. Is he clear town yet? Can I skip reading him and one of Zander/Liz?

Opinions kinda vary. I had him as one of my stronger town reads for a decent amount of the day. He made a couple really...questionable, at best... decisions/statements towards EoD that got some pressure on him. The TL;DR is he basically rolled off Celeste onto Seph just to get a lynch through, and after people started questioning him on it, he basically explained that he had no idea that it was going to be a popular lynch - only a hammer system.

So many people rolling over one another this game...

I'll keep him off my ignore list then.

Sooh · April 22, 2016

Sooh people are divided on sili but almost everyone has a stance. Youll have to read him prob.

Dont worry about it though, I think town about has its core together

Let me guess, I'm not in it :tongue:

While I'd love to not be a mislynch this game I can see how it will be tough to get into an already established town core. I'll try to show you that I'm town as well, but I recognize that it might be hard this game. I'd love to take part in at least one scum lynch before I go though.

Darthe · April 22, 2016

Hey clov you seem slow to decide on me. Im kinda curious about that.

Clovdyx · April 22, 2016

Hey clov you seem slow to decide on me. Im kinda curious about that.

I don't think I've been slow to decide on you at all. I said early on you were a decent town read, and that's gone up a little bit and down a little bit with some things you've done. I just said don't think you should be treated like you're guaranteed town - hence the reason I won't say you are in my "never lynch" list- but am fine trusting you to be town until I have more reason not to.

Clovdyx · April 22, 2016

Unless you mean I've been slow to concretely say "Darthe is absolutely a townie, and you're stupid to push him" or "Darthe is absolutely mafia, and you're stupid to trust him". In which case I would agree, I guess - but I don't think your play this game merits EITHER of those stances.

Darthe · April 22, 2016

Whos does?

Clovdyx · April 22, 2016

Whos does?

Until about 15 hours ago, the best answer for that would have probably been Seph, and I'm not sure I even felt that strongly about HIM....which is why I'm not sure exactly what your issue with me is.

Lizabeth · April 22, 2016

Yay! Key taught me some new quote reply tricks! <3

What do YOU think of everyone now?
I have some thoughts about Calder's rolloff. If he's scum and knows that Seph is going to flip town, then rolling onto someone else makes him look pretty damn good, as you pointed out. Especially after he was so adamant about Seph all day. So yeah, I'll probably go back to pushing him quite a bit even though I really liked his play and tone during the second half of the day.

Celeste...I'm sticking to my town read on her. But I don't mind seeing a lynch wagon build up on her because I think it will be informative. And she's not doing a lot to help herself right now. If she's town as I think she is, she's not playing her A game. I disagree with her reads on Zander and Darthe, but I don't absolutely hate what she's said about why she suspects them (although I suspect that her reaction to Zander is much like her reaction to me in past games). If she's scum like others think she is, she's not bringing her A game, so she'll trip up on D2 and if she does I'll be more than glad to join in her lynch.

You...I know you hate to hear this, but I just can't ever trust because I know you're really good. But it would be disheartening to think that you're THIS good if you're scum XD

I do wonder about your persistence in voting Seph all day though, so can you explain that to me?

Cutting out the parts I don't feel the need to address.

-I don't understand. You're going to push Calder for doing something that makes him look better? I realize the guy can be manipulative and probably has a hyper sense of self-awareness, but you're admitting that he looked good for multiple reasons AND his actions irt to Seph help his image. I don't understand how you can sit there and say THAT is the person you ought to be pushing extensively. If he's mafia, who are his teammates? Because it feels like you kind of just want to lynch him to see if you were right at this point.

Meh, call me paranoid. But here’s my thought process when I jumped onto Seph’s wagon, which I previously laid out but I’ll try to do it more concisely here.

- I thought Calder was scummy. No one else seemed to and that wagon wasn’t happening

- I was berating Zander all day for the way he was tunnelling in on Celeste, but maybe I was doing the same way. So as much as I thought that Celeste and Seph were likely town and Calder was the most likely to be scum, I figured that maybe I needed to shift gears instead of beating a dead horse. So if I was wrong and you and Calder were right about Seph, then going onto Seph’s wagon should cause some movement in the votes.

- The movement happened, but I really do still believe that the movement was towards town (confirmed Seph) town (unconfirmed Celeste) and town (unconfirmed Sili)

- If that scenario is true, that means that Calder had nothing to lose by rolling off of Seph, because no matter which way you look at it a townie was going to get lynched that day. But he had a lot to potentially lose by staying on Seph’s wagon when Seph rolled town. And he had a lot to gain by rolling off because then people will say “Oh look, he didn’t stay on the lynch of confirmed town despite his earlier push on said town”

- And given that my initial gut read on Seph has now been proven correct, it makes sense to me to go back to my other intitial gut reads rather than trusting the gut reads of others who have been proven wrong about at least one of my reads. Not saying all the rest of my reads are golden. But I want to see what happens with a push on Calder today.

-I really don't have much of an issue with your reasoning here. When I first read the post, I was going to say something about how you probably shouldn't be okay with a lynch forming on somebody you're townreading. Now that I've had a little bit of time to digest it, I can sort of see where you're coming from. Bold is a really good thought process actually.

Thanks.

-Uh, yeah...I thought he was scum. I think I very clearly gave my reasoning throughout the day and explained my thought process about him. His answers seemed more ike he was trying to creep his way out of trouble than realistic explanations for what he was trying to say, and his initial points didn't seem genuine to me. I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to do there.

I’m not trying to crucify you for it. I just wanted to hear your current thoughts.

Do I want the lynch back? Honestly, not really. I was wrong, and I'm not happy about it, but we had four days to make a lynch. He was the best option I had for pretty much the duration of the phase. Part of that's on him, part of that's on a player base that had a handful of inactives - and yeah, part of that's on me making a bad read. But I'm not going to apologize for making a mistake when I don't really feel like I did; I did the best with what I had to work with.

I’m pretty much in the same place. I’m not going to apologize for the lynch on Seph because I think I did the best with the information and options I had at the moment as well.

Lizabeth · April 22, 2016

I think you'll have some time. Nightphase will last for another.... 8+ hours i think, and the weekend should be less active.

short Thane recap:

to be lynched Celeste

never lynch: Clov, Darthe, Hallia imo

filter out Sili and Zander for faster catching up

Liz and Laine look ok, for now *nods*

Reread this thing from about page 30 and literally just made this exact list. I think I love you

it's scary that we seem to be thinking alike

I think you'll have some time. Nightphase will last for another.... 8+ hours i think, and the weekend should be less active.

short Thane recap:

to be lynched Celeste

never lynch: Clov, Darthe, Hallia imo

filter out Sili and Zander for faster catching up

Liz and Laine look ok, for now *nods*

What? I don't have any issue with Celeste being on your lynch list after yesterday, and I'm okay with Liz and Alanna looking "ok" - though I'm far above ok on the former and still trying to decide on the latter. I don't know that I'd say Darthe is a never lynch but would certainly echo the sentiment for the imminent future...but how is Hallia THAT clear to you? Walk me through this read because I'm just not seeing it.

And the bold isn't a stance...

I know the bold isn't a stance, but it's what i typed up (sorry i'm not always 100% serious itt)

For Hallia: i think i can read her well, got her a few times as wolf. This game, we're dealing with town!Hallia. I'd bet some belgian beer on it

So who do you actually WANT lynched in addition to Celeste?

Cory Caboose · April 22, 2016

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/97862-mafia-kart-wii-basic/?p=3641106

Updated scheduling information is in this post.

It is still Night 1.

Sooh · April 22, 2016

So, when does this night end?

keyholder21 · April 22, 2016

9pm EDT or when all night actions are in :). So...6.5 hours at most.

Darthe · April 22, 2016

Whos does?

Until about 15 hours ago, the best answer for that would have probably been Seph, and I'm not sure I even felt that strongly about HIM....which is why I'm not sure exactly what your issue with me is.

I don't have one. I just have enough respect for you as a player to ask questions anyways.

Cory Caboose · April 22, 2016

Night has ended. Write-up on the way.

Cory Caboose · April 22, 2016

Lizabeth has been night-killed.

Welcome to MAFIA KART WII. You are Baby Peach - Town Doctor.

Before the passing of the great Princess Peach in the great Mushroom Purge, she enlisted the scientists of the Mushroom Kingdom to create an identical genetic clone of herself to rule the kingdom in the event of her demise. You are that clone. While not yet of age to rule, you possess her ancient Mushroom power of protective hearts.

Every night phase, you may protect a player of your choice from a nightkill.

Win Condition: Eliminate all threats to town.

MAFIA KART WII [BASIC] - Mafia Sweep

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