Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Sooh]

5 to lynch. I can add some pressure to that.

 

[v]Nikon[/v]

[Nikonis]

Was out of town yesterday so I've got about six pages to read since I last posted then can answer any questions and pick back up on my reads/thoughts list for a few hours until I have to get ready for GoT, eat dinner then OUaT.

[Nikonis]

Seriously tho people, it is nearly assured that there are two left unless someone wants to claim a Ghostbuster character right now so they can be shot.

 

Alanna even thinking to sell that there's only one left is very bad.

 

Her response about Tsuki viewing her also rang of mafia miffed that all that hard work of looking town was wasted because she was getting peeked.

 

The delay on Shad is telling to me also. IIRC she never gave a real reason for either pushing/voting him or for defending him. It felt like she was just dragging her feet about voting him.

 

My 2 pence.

 

 

First Mafia/Supporter flipped was one of the Ghostbusters

Second one to flip was ALSO a ghostbuster

 

Someone already mentioned they assumed that the scum team must all be ghostbusters and, from what I can see based off of these flips, I'd have to agree it is very likely.

In the original movie, what I assume this game is based off of if not both that and the second film (even so, sequel only added new ghosts, same busters team), we have the four ghostbusters

 

From the IMDB page on the film, we know that

Peter Venkman holds PhD's in Psychology and Parapsychology, and was engaged in academic research for many years before forming the Ghost Busters franchise with his partners, Dr. Ray Stantz and Dr. Egon Spengler.

Raymond Stantz is one of the Ghostbusters. Ray is considered the "heart" of the Ghostbusters by the other members of the team. He is an expert on paranormal history and metallurgy.

Egon Spengler is a master at electronics as well as paranormal detection. As one of the founding members of the Ghostbusters, he contributes his genious to the inventions and gadgets they use. One of most used gadgets is the proton pack and gun which is used to subdue ghosts/ monsters until they can be put in a trap.

Winston Zeddemore is the only member of The Ghostbusters who is not a founding member. He joined the team during the cross-dimensional rift, which led to the coming of Gozer-this eventuality caused the Ghostbusters to receive such a huge surge in business that they required an extra gun in the team, so they therefore advertised the available position.

 

Apart from the actual ghostbusters there were two others I can think of who could be a part of the scum team, if not all ghostbusters themselves, which would be

Janine Melnitz is the Ghostbusters cynical, sassy secretary and (most of the time) love interest to Dr. Egon Spengler. (First & Second Film)

Louis Tully is the Neighbor of Dana Barret; an accountant by trade, Louis Tully is a good natured, but rather awkward man. He hooks up with Janine in the second film then, at the end, suits up in a spare uniform and proton pack.

[Turin Turambar]

Zander was Louis. He is dead.

[Nikonis]

Zander was Louis. He is dead.

 

Okay, wasn't looking at claims but, as I said, those are the characters who are or worked with the team in the movies so would be the most likely.  Still thinking that it is just the ghostbusters themselves though based off of the two flips from scum team and their supporter.  Would his role say scum if he had been recruited or, off they had recruited him, would we not know that info until EoG.

[Nikonis]

And with that I am caught up on the recent posts, ask a little time to catch up today and tomorrow then can see where it leads. As for yesterday's vote I already explained that but whatever, lynching me is a bad choice but if you do it will mean one less person to suspect (though would also give scum team one more town down and one step closer to a win)

 

With 8 alive, assumedly two scum...

Mislynch today makes it 6-2

One mislynch & one scum lynch Today/Tomorrow would make it 5-2

Mislynch today & tomorrow would make it 4-2

 

This means we should have three days to kill at least one of the scum team or they win... Shouldn't be hard to figure that out.

 

If I'm still your best bet at the end of this day phase, knowing we have two more days to find one of them, go ahead and lynch me and you'll have one less person to suspect.

 

 

P.S.

Since one or two of you think I'm scummy and have voted me, might as well let you know I'm Dean Yaeger, vanilla town...

[Nikonis]

Going to go load some laundry in the washing machine then should be back to start my catchup reads/opinions.

[Eldrick4221]

I think at least one of Sooh and Nikon are lying.

 

Nikon claimed a one scene nobody (Tsuki did too, but his role kinda fits)

 

Sooh claimed a character without a name. There are already 2 one scene nobodys, and more that Sooh could have gotten.

 

Nikon's defense is so generic, it's painful. My vote is staying.

 

Nikon, you say you're caught up. What are your reads?

[Eldrick4221]

Nevermind. I didn't read your last post. You'll be doing that next.

[Eldrick4221]

Comparing Shad's older and newer reads list. (Spoiler tags still not working)

 

Really wanna see a reads list from you brother.

Off the cuff not thinking too hard about this

Tsuki*
Turin*
 

Eldrick
Laine
 
Zander
Hallia
Reyoru
Lenlo -- I keep forgetting you're in this game dude, and I know you've been active.  I dunno if you're flying super under the radar or if it's just me.  Need to ISO but the fact that you haven't pinged me in the slightest is probably a good sign.
 
Dice
Niniel

BFG

RTE

Consider the order fairly interchangeable in each of those groups.

 

Tsuki
Laine
Eldrick
Turin
Dice
Niniel

Hallia
Reyoru
Lenlo
BFG
RTE

 

Dice probably the biggest move for me.  The focus on self-defense makes it a little harder to get a clear read on him--through no fault of his own--but when I think about Dragon Reborn and how... kind of obviously scummy he was there.  Not feeling that here.  I think if he's town then if he can get the pressure off his back it's going to show more clearly in time, and I think he's probably town. 

Niniel was an incredibly easy read for me in DR, like within two serious posts she was my top villa for the entire phase.  It didn't strike me as obvious here on D1, but this phase she may very well be out of her scum range on shear quantity of content alone.  Granted I've only seen her wolf once, she was super lurky and I gathered that was the norm.  I dig it. 

Lenlo is maintaining his swagger of late but still not really leaving much of an impact in my memory banks, and I don't know what to make of that, and lol ISOs maybe I'll get there some day. 

BFG deserves a pass on inactivity.  I mean she just literally lost Eldrick's game for forgetting to submit her night kill.  But I'm not really impressed by what I've seen so far.  If you're town do that thing you do and I'll probably read you correctly. 

[v]RTE[/v] can die today.

 

Still has Tsuki as blue read for his cop claim. Makes sense. this would be the case whether or not the claim was true.

 

Reads on Laine and me don't really change, and he doesn't give a reason for our reads.

 

Shad moved Turin out of his blues and a lower town read than Laine and me, for no apparent reason.

 

Dice's self defense during D1 "made it harder for Shad to read him", and yet Shad moved him up to town.

 

He isn't getting the "easy town read" he got on Nini in the past, but is giving her a town read for quantity of content. I feel like he is underscoring the quality of her recent content. (The quality posts might have come after this list, though)

 

Starts to move Lenlo into nulls because he isn't remembering what Lenlo has done.

 

Still hasn't given a read on BFG, but IIRC she really hadn't done much atp.

[Eldrick4221]

Yea. Shad moving Turin out of his blues makes no sense to me. I can't find anything that leads to that reasoning, and this looks good for Turin.

 

Turin was already being townread by a lot of people. If Turin was scum, I would think Shad would leave him at the top of his list. Moving him down looks like an attempt to start spreading doubt about him.

[Eldrick4221]

Yeah Eldrick, should be in my ISO, just ctrl-f Lenlo and you should be able to find it. I would do it for you but I'm going to bed, gotta wake up in 6 hours for school.

 

That IS a lot of green Shad. Who do you think in the greens is the last scum?

 

RTE is at L-

 

Laine talking to Shad about who the last scum is besides RTE. Spreading the idea all the way back here that there's only 2 scum.

 

Bad look for Laine.

[Eldrick4221]

I suppose a scum mate could come up with the plan.  It's not something I think scum!Dice is likely to dream up.  He's more reactionary, not really one to plan things out in advance much, I think.

 

Would Shad say this is he was said scum mate? Does this look good or bad for Dice?

[Eldrick4221]

If Nikon ends up being scum, I will believe that Sooh is town. Who subs in and then systematically lynches their teammates?

[alannalynn]

I will catch up as soon as I'm done watching Game of Thrones

[alannalynn]

Just thought y'all should know that GoT is more important than life and mafia

[Eldrick4221]

Gotta have your priorities :P

[Eldrick4221]

Well Life is > Mafia. If GoT is > Life, then of course it's > mafia. That's simple logic.

[alannalynn]

I'm just going by one page at a time and responding as I get to them, so bear with me if something is already answered and I don't notice until the next post lol

 

 

I know that Laine didn't use the kill action tonight. 

 

How do I know? 

 

Because I'm the jailkeeper and I put her in jail. 

 

She might have tried to use some other action though, but in that case that action shouldn't have gone through. 

 

Night 1 Lenlo jailed RTE

 

This is why I suspected that Hallia's claim wasn't true when I first came into the game. I thought the block of RTE's action might have explained the lack of a kill that night, but you'll notice that as soon as RTE flipped I changed from not believing to believing Hallia's claim.

 

Night 2 I jailed Shad

 

That night he was role blocked from using his action, and it said in Shad's flip that he had used the role block action as his second action (remember I asked if you guys thought those actions were in order?). Tsuki got his peek, which I assume would have been what Shad was trying to block.

 

Night 3 I jailed Laine

 

I was hoping for a no kill this morning, but since there is a kill I can't discount that Laine might in fact have been innocent.

 

This is.. interesting. But it also fits I guess, so we're going with it. It's starting to put other claims into doubt though.

I'm a little flattered that you jailed me, haha

[unvote] for now

 

 

Turin, Eldrick was peeked. He should be considered town unless you have additional information.
I'll be around more once I'm caught up on hw today
Sucks Hallys gone though

I can think what I like. I think I have a valid reason to question the authenticity of that peek.

Why is Dice town again??

What was your valid reason for questioning the peek? I don't remember what you're referring to, sorry.

 

Dice is town because I believe him and I think he's town. I've been pushing him as town since early game and was sticking to that read. But damn, there's a lot of roles that I'm seeing right now so that's making me a little suspicious.

 

Character?

There are most likely two mafia left so all that means is that she didn't kill anyone.

Why 2 mafia? I've been going under the assumption that there's one more if you have a symp and Shad, but then again a symp is like half mafia and the game is heavily roled, so you might be right. My character is Janine Melmite, the recptionist.

 

Laine, can you confirm this?

Confirm... what?

[Eldrick4221]

I'm just going by one page at a time and responding as I get to them, so bear with me if something is already answered and I don't notice until the next post lol

 

 

I know that Laine didn't use the kill action tonight. 

 

How do I know? 

 

Because I'm the jailkeeper and I put her in jail. 

 

She might have tried to use some other action though, but in that case that action shouldn't have gone through. 

 

Night 1 Lenlo jailed RTE

 

This is why I suspected that Hallia's claim wasn't true when I first came into the game. I thought the block of RTE's action might have explained the lack of a kill that night, but you'll notice that as soon as RTE flipped I changed from not believing to believing Hallia's claim.

 

Night 2 I jailed Shad

 

That night he was role blocked from using his action, and it said in Shad's flip that he had used the role block action as his second action (remember I asked if you guys thought those actions were in order?). Tsuki got his peek, which I assume would have been what Shad was trying to block.

 

Night 3 I jailed Laine

 

I was hoping for a no kill this morning, but since there is a kill I can't discount that Laine might in fact have been innocent.

 

This is.. interesting. But it also fits I guess, so we're going with it. It's starting to put other claims into doubt though.

I'm a little flattered that you jailed me, haha

 

[unvote] for now

 

 

Turin, Eldrick was peeked. He should be considered town unless you have additional information.

I'll be around more once I'm caught up on hw today

Sucks Hallys gone though

I can think what I like. I think I have a valid reason to question the authenticity of that peek.

 

Why is Dice town again??

What was your valid reason for questioning the peek? I don't remember what you're referring to, sorry.

 

Dice is town because I believe him and I think he's town. I've been pushing him as town since early game and was sticking to that read. But damn, there's a lot of roles that I'm seeing right now so that's making me a little suspicious.

 

Character?

 

There are most likely two mafia left so all that means is that she didn't kill anyone.

Why 2 mafia? I've been going under the assumption that there's one more if you have a symp and Shad, but then again a symp is like half mafia and the game is heavily roled, so you might be right. My character is Janine Melmite, the recptionist.

 

Laine, can you confirm this?

Confirm... what?

 

You're flattered that she suspected you enough to jail you and see if that stopped the kill?

 

From what I can tell, Turin's "valid reasoning" is that he's running with the idea that Tsuki is a naive cop.

 

Why do you keep pushing the idea that there's only 1 mafia left? How does that make sense?

Even without the heavily roled, mafia is typically 1/4. 3 mafia is under 1/4 of the 13 players. There's no guarantee they would get the symp even if they could, so balancing it counting the symp as already mafia would be unfair to mafia. 3 mafia, 1 symp, and 9 townies makes more sense to me.

 

I was asking you to confirm the jailing. Did you get a notification of said jailing?

[alannalynn]

I confirm that what Sooh says makes perfect sense - I attempted to read Alanna and recieved No Result.

It's only a little annoying that I can't be confirmed.

 

 

Time to find some scums.

 

If Laine wasn't the killer tonight, who was?

 

1. Turin - neighbor

2. Eldrick - scanned innocent

3. Niniel

4. Tsuki - cop

5. Nikon

7. Dice - stump

8. Sooh - jailkeeper

13. Alanna

 

 

If neither claim is a lie we're down to Niniel, Nikon and Laine, and we know Laine didn't kill.

Nikon perhaps? People keep saying Niniel is so towny.

Does anybody have meta on Niniel? I've always had a hard time reading her so I'm not sure I can be relied on on that front. As for Nikon, he replaced BFG, right? I was town reading BFG pretty good before she subbed out, so I kind of trust that slot. If Dice is mafia, this is a repeat of Harry Potter mafia over again and there's going to be a lot of self loathing lol.

 

Has Dice gotten quiet recently or is it just me that hasnt been here much?

 

[unvote]

On the grounds that if you are telling the truth, I don't want to lose you.

I still don't believe you. I need more time to process information. Also want to hear if laine knows anything about being jailed.

Also not as sure as I used to be about laine being town. Her level of effort has dropped considerably since d1. I think thats a sign for her.

My effort level has dropped due to many factors:

1. I joined a high volume game which I singlehandedly screwed up and handed to mafia because I shot the doctor who was being consensusly townread n1 and then got myself and another townie modkilled, so that was a bit of a hit on my morale

2. The phases are extremely long and I keep losing interest. (who the hell keeps waiting the full phase to turn in their actions?!)

3. It's been a bad week

 

 

That IS a lot of green Shad. Who do you think in the greens is the last scum?

Laine talking to Shad about who the last scum is besides RTE. Spreading the idea all the way back here that there's only 2 scum.

 

Bad look for Laine.

Eld, we don't even KNOW how many scum there are. But you also took that out of reference. What I meant in that quote was basically "who are you misclearing"? He had RTE and BFG at the bottom of his list, calling them scum, and I wanted to know who was last of them. Remember this is before the RTE flip of symp, so I had no way to know that RTE was only "half-mafia". You can see in this quote below that he understood what I was asking by saying "who the third scum is when we haven't lynched one yet"

I don't really want to speculate on who the third scum is when we haven't lynched one yet.

 

I mean, I started typing an answer to this and realized I was just restating my list. <_<

[alannalynn]

1. You're flattered that she suspected you enough to jail you and see if that stopped the kill?

 

2. From what I can tell, Turin's "valid reasoning" is that he's running with the idea that Tsuki is a naive cop.

 

3. Why do you keep pushing the idea that there's only 1 mafia left? How does that make sense?

Even without the heavily roled, mafia is typically 1/4. 3 mafia is under 1/4 of the 13 players. There's no guarantee they would get the symp even if they could, so balancing it counting the symp as already mafia would be unfair to mafia. 3 mafia, 1 symp, and 9 townies makes more sense to me.

 

4. I was asking you to confirm the jailing. Did you get a notification of said jailing?

1. Kinda flattered that I got so much attention last night haha Tsuki and Sooh in one night? (suggestive eyebrow waggle) But seriously, it kinda sucks that I didn't get peeked, but I'll just have to work around the suspicion

 

2. What does he have to back this up? What is Tsuki's character, would it even make sense that he's a naive cop? Also, why would we have a naive cop in this setup? It just doesn't make sense to me and feels more like Turin is trying to put doubt into Tsuki's peeks for shenanigans. It's a little scummy of Turin.

 

3. Nah already talked myself out of that. 1 symp and 3 mafia makes sense for a game this heavily roled.

 

4. Am I supposed to? I don't have an action so it didn't do anything lol

[Eldrick4221]

I didn't say I agree with Turin. I don't. I was explaining what I understand is his take on the situation, why he thinks it's "valid reasoning".

Tsuki has claimed the girl at the beginning of the movie. The one that was being tested to be a psychic. She failed at being a psychic, but was being told that she was getting it right.

This is why Tsuki and Turin are tinfoiling that Tsuki's role is naive.

 

As for my question to you about the jailing, of course you aren't "supposed to". You are just the only one alive that Sooh has claimed to jail. I was curious if you were able to confirm that she jailed you, cuz if you did it would show she's telling the truth. (Or you are both lying...)

[Eldrick4221]

Also, I wasn't taking the quote out of context. Yes, you were asking him who he was misclearing, but you asked in in such a way to suggest that there was only 2 mafia.

 

The number of mafia issue has already been covered, and I'm not trying to rehash it here. Just saying that I wasn't misrepping your information.

[Eldrick4221]

FWIW I agree that the phases are to long but /shrug