[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Verbal32]

Once again - my whole intent was to make Nolder recognize that the reason he doubled down wasn't true. I stated it passively at first, and even showed him a quote, to then which then which he immediately attacked me over. My response, if anything, was a bit emotive as I ramped up in a sort of "are you kidding me?" way.

 

I had my own reasons to be leery of Tina, unrelated to Nolder, which is why I said I could support it.

 

I used "fair" to describe her response for a reason. I didn't say it was good or it was bad. That's basically the only way she could answer my question reasonably and I have consistently maintained that her doing it in the first place has bugged me. Tina doing weird stuff = scum!Tina in my experience.

 

You say that "fair" does not mean "good" or "bad", but you have to admit that your choice of words (especially stating she answered "reasonably") infers pretty heavily that you thought the answer was......good.

 

And Tina doing weird stuff is par for the course in my experience.  She's unpredictable, which one might equate to "weird stuff".....but it is normal Tina to me.

 

 

^ all of this doesn't shape a read on Tina.  I'm still a little stuck on you for how emphatic you pushed back @ Nolder.

[Andrej]

Nolder is town but just derping hard and making up false tells to compensate for his lack of reading.

 

Yates is probably town.

 

Verb is probably town just disappointingly weak town. Like a limp noodle ;-)

 

Tina looks a little better but she's one I would need to keep the heat on because she'll ghost out as scum.

 

Zander seems to be slowly trying to gear up into voting me, but wants to show the work first. I don't like this.

 

Hallia is a coin toss. She looks scummy imo but I can never tell.

 

Thane looks okay but he's fooled me early on before.

 

Lenlo is another I would push for continual content, he what he gave so far was decent.

 

Leelou hasn't said much because busy but she seemed okay.

 

Dice I admittedly don't want to see as scum. However the case building against him does have merit and the more people chime in the more I am forced to think I am just wrong.

 

Turin is remarkably more diplomatic with me than how I remember him in the past, but maybe he's just not being an a-hole which I can appreciate. Content seems okay, would need to see some flips on those he's cased before I would lock him in as town.

[Andrej]

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[Andrej]

Could go Dice/Hallia

 

Maybe Zander atp

[Verbal32]

Nolder is town but just derping hard and making up false tells to compensate for his lack of reading.

 

Yates is probably town.

 

Verb is probably town just disappointingly weak town. Like a limp noodle ;-)

 

Tina looks a little better but she's one I would need to keep the heat on because she'll ghost out as scum.

 

Zander seems to be slowly trying to gear up into voting me, but wants to show the work first. I don't like this.

 

Hallia is a coin toss. She looks scummy imo but I can never tell.

 

Thane looks okay but he's fooled me early on before.

 

Lenlo is another I would push for continual content, he what he gave so far was decent.

 

Leelou hasn't said much because busy but she seemed okay.

 

Dice I admittedly don't want to see as scum. However the case building against him does have merit and the more people chime in the more I am forced to think I am just wrong.

 

Turin is remarkably more diplomatic with me than how I remember him in the past, but maybe he's just not being an a-hole which I can appreciate. Content seems okay, would need to see some flips on those he's cased before I would lock him in as town.

 

LOL, I haven't been weak town since before you were in diapers, son.  Get on my level.

[Verbal32]

^ oh God I sounded like Wombat there.......

[Andrej]

I pushed back hard at Nolder because he was calling me scum for correctly his lack of reading comprehension lol.

 

It pissed me off, dude. Not to mention as I pointed out, which he called discrediting, scum!Nolder likes to make "mistakes" so yeah, after doing the fact checking for myself I immediately was in sort of disbelief that he didn't realize what was going on with that. After our back and forth though, that doesn't sound like scum!Nolder.

[Zander?]

 

 

I'm also a little worried about AJ. It's been a while but he seems off as well. Not going to expand on that at this point in time.

 

Can you guys touch on your AJ reads please.  Id like to see what it is you guys are seeing irt to AJ.

 

Yup.

 

I know I haven't played here in a while but this game isn't playing out how I would expect. Dice isn't acting like Dice, you aren't a lolercoaster spam poster [TM], Hally tried disarming me with her first post [one of her first posts?], and Verb isn't posting spidey.

 

BUT the thing that sticks out to me the most is AJ's play. Through that post [and as of the post I'm quoting here], AJ has been remarkably non-confrontational. Even where he's challenging people [like the Nolder thing comes to mind] I'm not really seeing any "teeth" in his handling of what should be suspects. I was thinking maybe it was early in the game and he was feeling out the game state given he hasn't played with me, Verb, or Leelou in a while [part of the reason I was convinced to play was because it was the return of the later two] but I don't think that's it. I have a "playing to the crowd" scum tell I like to use that's pretty effective and he's precariously close to tripping that red flag.

 

I'm not ready to call him scum because there are a number of possible reasons for him to be playing this way but he has my attention.

 

 

 

Zander - post 257 is more like what I would expect from a Town AJ.

 

 

Maybe you're right, but regardless she wasn't clear. That's not my fault.

 

She was pretty clear after Turin asked her for clarification imo.

 

So that's YOUR fault for not reading carefully enough.

 

Speaking out in her defense instead of just leaving her to defend herself is what I would consider protecting her.

That's why I said it was weird because I don't understand why TownAJ wouldn't just let Tina defend herself.

 

Any defense of Tina was done through proxy by pointing out the wrongness in your case.

 

You said she didn't respond to you. I corrected you, thus rebutting your argument. Get your facts straight.

 

 

That post stands in fairly sharp contrast to what I had been seeing as of the post you had asked me about.

 

 

Ok so whats your actual read on AJ?

 

Zander might be scum.

 

Raisins?

[BFG]

Votecount

 

Dicetosser1 (1/7): Turin

AJ (3/7): Nolder, TinaHel, Verb

Nolder (1/7): Hallia

 

Not Voting (7): AJ, Dice, Leelou, Lenlo, Thane, Yates, Zander

 

 

[Zander?]

Nolder is town but just derping hard and making up false tells to compensate for his lack of reading.

 

Yates is probably town.

 

Verb is probably town just disappointingly weak town. Like a limp noodle ;-)

 

Tina looks a little better but she's one I would need to keep the heat on because she'll ghost out as scum.

 

Zander seems to be slowly trying to gear up into voting me, but wants to show the work first. I don't like this.

 

Hallia is a coin toss. She looks scummy imo but I can never tell.

 

Thane looks okay but he's fooled me early on before.

 

Lenlo is another I would push for continual content, he what he gave so far was decent.

 

Leelou hasn't said much because busy but she seemed okay.

 

Dice I admittedly don't want to see as scum. However the case building against him does have merit and the more people chime in the more I am forced to think I am just wrong.

 

Turin is remarkably more diplomatic with me than how I remember him in the past, but maybe he's just not being an a-hole which I can appreciate. Content seems okay, would need to see some flips on those he's cased before I would lock him in as town.

 

So me asking questions and trying to figure you out makes me scummy?

 

I havent laid out a read on you yet,  You seem to be getting a little defensive brother.  You also sussed Turin for building a case on you as well. 

 

This is not a good look imo.

[Andrej]

I think in Yates's heart of hearts he knows I'm town.

 

He's just bothered because I've been playing somewhat with kiddy gloves because I didn't want to be a pushy a-hole within the first 24 hours of the game. I can be though, if needed. I've asked nicely for content and been involved in almost nearly every interaction. I am expressive and keeping things straight so misinformation is not used. Like I am literally CAMPED in this thread.

 

There's no way I'm scum this game.

[Andrej]

Turin didn't case me.

 

And yes, it seems that you are slowly trying to reverse your read on me. You didn't seem to have problems with me before until after Nolder started my wagon. So?

[Zander?]

Turin didn't case me.

 

And yes, it seems that you are slowly trying to reverse your read on me. You didn't seem to have problems with me before until after Nolder started my wagon. So?

 

 

Turin could be scum after that case, but Turin does narrative spin regardless. He's like Despot in that regard, as much as he'll hate that comparison.

 

Sorry i misread that post.

 

But can you show me where i reversed my read on you? I havent given a read on you.

[Verbal32]

 

Zander might be scum.

 

Raisins?

 

 

I don't know why I laughed at this.  I clearly need more caffeine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

(as if I ever need a reason to have more ice coffee.....)

[Andrej]

Then stop pussy footing and give one.

 

I think by now you should have one, one way or another.

[Verbal32]

Can we maybe step back and leave the thread in this state so others can read, catch up, and weigh in?

[Andrej]

Should've had one, even if initial, a while ago imo.

[Andrej]

DL is just a few hours away.

 

I'm not going anywhere.

[Verbal32]

Isn't it like 4-5 hours away?

[Andrej]

Yes. And at the rate this game started that's probably a death sentence for me.

[Verbal32]

And I'm not asking you to go away, I just want people to read up and weigh in.  If we bring up an issue, discuss it, and then move onto something else, we give some players the option to cherry pick what they want to comment on as they come back into the thread.

 

I'd like to see what everybody thinks about the Nolder/Tina/AJ discussion, and the offshoot of AJ/Verbal/Zander follow up.

[Andrej]

7.5 hours according to the VC.

[Zander?]

Then stop pussy footing and give one.

 

I think by now you should have one, one way or another.

 

Why should I have one by now?  You havent been normal Boss Town!AJ self atp.

 

I dont know if that necessarily make you scum or not yet as you havent played here in awhile.

 

But I will do as you ask

 

AJ- ???

 

 

But tbh I have some concerns and reservations.  I dont think youve been overly Towny or overly Scummy.  AJ are you 3rd party perhaps?

Ill have a reads list after i get a chance to go back over things.

[Verbal32]

Was that at the point of the post, or doesn't it show an updated time based on when you open the page?

 

 

#mightbeastupidquestion

[Andrej]

And to clarify about what you said easier, I get what you're saying how fair and reasonable could be construed as "good"

 

Wasn't my intent, though. If I felt better about Tina I would have expressed explicitly shortly after when I talked about her to Turin.