[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Nynaeve]

Sorry for not cutting that quote down. On my phone and it's really hard to do that.

[Sooh]

It's a D1 read. I had a lean on him, so I stuck him in that pile. I'll try to find some of the posts that made me nod later when I get the chance. I have used up my lunch break now.

[BFG]

I'll be in thread properly again later (lunch and evening) hopefully I'll catch enough of you then to talk to.

 

 

Meetings and stuff to get to now.

[Nynaeve]

It's a D1 read. I had a lean on him, so I stuck him in that pile. I'll try to find some of the posts that made me nod later when I get the chance. I have used up my lunch break now.

Okay.

[BFG]

@ BFG use your words my dear...lol Also WTL list with reasons please.

 

Wtl:Thane for reasons that have been stated in literally every post I've made about him for the past 24 hours.

 

Not objecting to Nolder

 

Confused by literally everyone else, except

 

(of this group I probably feel best about Nyn conventionally. Eldricks a weird case that I'm Yolo reading as town for now and will reassess in a couple of days if necessary.)

 

not wtl: Turin

 

 

That middle group is frustrating me a lot and my opinions change frequently, hence my unwillingness this game to commit to reads and I hate that my opinions are still so fluid

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. I'm still a few pages behind, but I'm gonna say what I have so far.

 

First of all, I was originally getting the same vibe Pral was about Nolder/Zander, which is why I said I was considering them for a vote. Over the day, I thought about the v/v headbutting I've witnessed in the past that led to a mislynch. This feels like what's going on here to me. I'm not lynching either one of them today. They both have been acting weird in their own way. I don't know Nolder meta for saying he's confused a lot when scum, and I'm not taking it at face value.

 

This Lily/Laine interaction is really confusing me. I don't get Laine's reaction at all. The way she describes how she is perceiving what Lily is doing gives me the feeling she thinks Lily is scum tunneling her, but then she has a town read on her. I would think scum in her shoes, but that's just me I guess.

 

Then there was this post.

It would work for me if I thought you were town, but I don't. I would happily work with Turin, BFG, or Nyn, though.

I could switch my vote to Zander, if you'd like. Or I can leave it where it is until tomorrow and then look for the best place to put it to achieve the best lynch. Would you prefer that I just unvote? I'll do that for you, if you want. I'm not going to get a lynch on you this day, anyway.

This was just horrible. Suggesting to take advice on who to move her vote to from her scum read.

[Eldrick4221]

I intend to get a reread in tonight before I go to bed. I have plans tomorrow afternoon, and want to have some input before the deadline.

[Eldrick4221]

These posts were back to back, and confuse the hell out of me.

(Formatted on my phone, so quote tags are cut)

 

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From Laine to Zander:

Nolder's case on you is highly influenced by my case on you, and so is my view of it. He appears to see the same things I see in you, and I like that about him. He's also, same as Eldrick, someone who I frequently read wrong. This means I'm not confident enough with either of them toDay to move them out of my nulls.

 

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Pg 31-32 is basically Nolder just reacting but not adding anything of substance to the game. Please lynch this scum.

 

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You like Nolder's case on Zander, but you think Nolder is scum. Can you explain this?

[Sooh]

That wasn't Laine to Zander. That was me to Zander.

[Nynaeve]

Nolder has been caught as scum at least 3 times in games where he either plays dumb about clearly stated game rules or misunderstanding and feeling confused about dumb crap. That's a fact.

 

Everyone can feel free to ignore that of course. But Nolder has done nothing to appease my initial suspicion and has flat out refused to give reads on most of the players. That's suspicious in general...but also specifically for him because he is bad at providing read lists that don't lead back to his scummates.

 

He is by far the best lynch today and for a D1 suspicion? That ain't half bad imo.

[Eldrick4221]

DM mafia has grown up? Ha! Was it immature before?

 

Alannalynn... Let me sum up the what I think Lily is trying to convey in one simple term because I'm feeling the same thing from your arguments... WIFOM.

 

The fact you know your town meta means if you are mafia, you can fake your town meta much easier. On top of that you are actively bragging about how townie you are because your play fits your meta so well! Well. I for one am not going to just trust you on that. Talking about how you only like to play and get really involved if you are town is decidedly not a more mature way of playing. How boring is it to play with someone who doesn't try hard because they get mafia? After saying that, if I were ever in a QT with you, I'd ask the mods to replace you for that attitude. Also your example of Calder claiming to be mafia every game is a terrible example I think. Someone admits to being scum, he's got to be lynched. That guy needs to be policy lynched every game until he quits that crap.

 

Every post of yours regarding meta just reads WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM.

Can you do that? Can you get a teammate replaced against their will? That sounds wrong.

[Eldrick4221]

And I agree 100% about calder. Last game I happened to know he was scum, but would have policy pushed for his lynch regardless, and will do so in the future if he keeps it up.

[Nynaeve]

No one cares Eld. Mafia antics can be discussed in a mafia discussion thread.

[Eldrick4221]

That wasn't Laine to Zander. That was me to Zander.

You're right. That makes a lot more sense. Most of the posts in that area are her, and I guess I got mixed up.

[Eldrick4221]

No one cares Eld. Mafia antics can be discussed in a mafia discussion thread.

What is this referencing? I didn't discuss mafia antics.

[Nynaeve]

@Eldrick... so you voted Nolder. Unvoted when you realized that he didn't vote Pral (as he was the leading train). Then agreed with Zander that Nol naming Pral out of his town core is practically equivalent to having a scum lean.... and you left off yesterday debating whether to vote zander or nolder.... and your conclusion for the day is that they're prolly v/v.

 

Is that an accurate summary?

[Eldrick4221]

Or are you talking about the replacement issue cuz I said "teammate". Alignment isn't the concern there. I was asking if you could have the mod replace someone against their will. There are non-mafia teammates (masons, cult, etc) and I thought the concept was bad.

 

It's irrelevant to figuring out the game, though, so it doesn't have to be discussed further.

[Pralaya]

 

 

Re: Zander/Nolder: You've never seen v/v violence before? Seems like you're saying they're either w/w or v/w w/v. Which is the more likely wolf? Zander or Nolder? It just seems like a cop off to not really make a stance between the two of them.

I am saying that this is not v/v. That is exactly what I am saying. How is it a coup out when I am indeed taking a stance elsewhere and voting where I feel the scum is?

 

As for myself, I unvoted Zander because there seemed to be no way I was ever going to get a lynch of him through, and my efforts and vote was wasted there. Could I have waited for someone else to vote for? Sure, but I chose not to. If nothing else both myself (especially myself) and Zander have now had the chance to look at others.

 

I still don't know what you mean by throwing in Alanna. I mentioned her because she was already involved.

I don't see how you are saying that he wouldn't get lynched. That explanation seems week. Even now he has two votes and nobody else is having more than him. It looks more like you backing off when you were staring to get heat.

 

 

Agreed

 

What does that make you think irt me Pral?

 

To be straight, you are in the grey zone right now. I don't think sooh getting confirmed as scum, absolves you because of those actions. Her backing off was a defensive mechanism for her alone and I wouldn't rule out busing in such a case.

[Nynaeve]

 

No one cares Eld. Mafia antics can be discussed in a mafia discussion thread.

What is this referencing? I didn't discuss mafia antics.

It's referencing your reply to BG about people trying less as scum and him thinking that such players should be subbed out.

 

Lets avoid the black hole of sidetracking.

[Nynaeve]

And I agree 100% about calder. Last game I happened to know he was scum, but would have policy pushed for his lynch regardless, and will do so in the future if he keeps it up.

Calder isnt in this game though.... :P

[Eldrick4221]

@Eldrick... so you voted Nolder. Unvoted when you realized that he didn't vote Pral (as he was the leading train). Then agreed with Zander that Nol naming Pral out of his town core is practically equivalent to having a scum lean.... and you left off yesterday debating whether to vote zander or nolder.... and your conclusion for the day is that they're prolly v/v.

 

Is that an accurate summary?

I wasn't aware he was the leading train. I normally don't pay attention to that.

 

Yes. I read that his "not letting Pral into his town core" was equivalent to a scum lean.

 

And I left off yesterday debating which of them I was going to vote. These are both true.

 

I am reading the effective thunderdome as v/v and am therefore not voting them today.

 

Is there something wrong with this?

[Nynaeve]

It's irrelevant to figuring out the game, though, so it doesn't have to be discussed further.

Ding ding ding! You win a yearly supply of turtle wax.

[Nynaeve]

 

@Eldrick... so you voted Nolder. Unvoted when you realized that he didn't vote Pral (as he was the leading train). Then agreed with Zander that Nol naming Pral out of his town core is practically equivalent to having a scum lean.... and you left off yesterday debating whether to vote zander or nolder.... and your conclusion for the day is that they're prolly v/v.

 

Is that an accurate summary?

I wasn't aware he was the leading train. I normally don't pay attention to that.

 

Yes. I read that his "not letting Pral into his town core" was equivalent to a scum lean.

 

And I left off yesterday debating which of them I was going to vote. These are both true.

 

I am reading the effective thunderdome as v/v and am therefore not voting them today.

 

Is there something wrong with this?

I don't quite see how you got from suspecting both to town reading both.

 

Elaborate?

[Pralaya]

This Lily/Laine interaction is really confusing me. I don't get Laine's reaction at all. The way she describes how she is perceiving what Lily is doing gives me the feeling she thinks Lily is scum tunneling her, but then she has a town read on her. I would think scum in her shoes, but that's just me I guess.

Are you saying that people shouldn't evolve their reads? I thought Alanna explained why she thinks some of LIly's posts is town and why she thinks some of Lily's posts is scum. Doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

[Eldrick4221]

I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm townreading them. Reasons to suspect and perceiving a v/v interaction imo. Makes them null at best. All I'm saying is I'm not wtl them today.