[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Sooh]

Laine: Bringing up one's own meta is always wifom-y. I know Pizza does this all the time, and I know it's impossible to judge his alignment based on those posts. Why? Because I know that those posts will always tell 100% the truth, and the honest tone of people explaining their meta may get them town read. 

 

If it helps, BG and Lily, Laine and Zander often mindmelds as town. It is something that has happened many times. She did trick him last game, which is why he was hesitant to begin with this game. 

[bgrishinko]

Also I'm not trying to prevent people from working together. You claim to be a sheep but how do I know you aren't a wolf in sheep's clothing? That's my point.

[alannalynn]

But Nolder didn't refer to his own meta! It's completely different! If Turin or Eld or someone came in and said you were acting like your normal town self, that'd be fine. But you can't just tell people "Look how town I'm behaving! Believe me or else you are anti-town. How dare you question my obviously town play?"

 

Do you know what WIFOM means? Or has that term gone out of style?

Please don't treat me like I'm an idiot. I know how this game works and I have a pretty good track record of lynching mafia d1, or can I not say that either because game threads aren't open to the public? God forbid I ever reference to any game ever again.

 

I'll just start speaking in simple sentences that only reference to this game if that's what you want.

 

Nolder is mafia.

Please lynch him.

[Nynaeve]

Rawrrr

But seriously, it's a little sus that you don't want to figure out my alignment and had that opportunity already, so I'm waiting. If you're towning this game, I want your support.

#550 glad you agree on Nolder, too. I didn't know if I was the only one seeing it since everyone seems to think I'm damn crazy

I think that's a pretty bad interpretation. Yes getting under your skin is a method I used several times before to make sure I'm on the right page with you if I was having doubts. The fact that I have yet to do it doesn't equate to me refusing to read you. I have been interacting with you and voicing my thoughts about you. Those are other ways I use to read people :P Your content improved in my eyes from you read list onward so, for now? You're good.

 

 

Also, you're not crazy. Like I said, the Nol warning signs are definitely there.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

this conversation feels very familiar

 

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

 

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

 

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[v]Zander[/v]

 

Sooh, can you explain the bolded?

 

When I did my ISO of Zander I tried pointing out all the players he has FOSed early game. Then came a post where he said that Cory and he hadn't discussed very much yet, and then came the list of leans in which he pointed out he had cooperated with Cory on making. Some of the town leans on that list were people he had sussed earlier.

 

 

 

So after a reread with CoryGOAT, here is where I am atp:

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

Thane- Engaged and committed

Nyn- Making good observations and points.  Decent presence ITT.

BFG-  More active then Id expect as a wolf!BFG atp

 

Alanna- I didnt hate her response to my question.  I'm more worried about her atp then Cory is.

 

BG- Null and dont know him really.  Want to hear his response to my question.

Nolder- I think we came back weird for just about every post of his.  But Nol posts weird so Null

Turin- Here for now.  Wanna see some more content before passing judgement as I was wrong on him in the last game.

Pral-  Need more to go off of.

 

Lily- This is one spot were kinda were I differ from Cory he has her higher and has more experience with her then me as I have none.  But I wasnt a fan of her switching off her votes as soon as questions arose.

 

Eldrick- Feels very forced

Sooh-  Sooh is sick but I feel like after last game Sooh should be Town telling better atp.  Also something I noted was her Null stance on Eld.  May be nothing but where I have them both scummy its something I noticed.

 

[v] Sooh [/v]

 

Could just as easily vote Eld atp.

 

FOS'ing everyone is more likely to come from Town!Zander or Scum!Zander Sooh? 

 

Anyone else care to weigh in on this?

 

Also which of my Town leans do you feel I sussed and what about that suss and or the change on the read bothered you and why?

[alannalynn]

THE POINT IS THAT I'M SCUM HUNTING ALL OVER THE THREAD AND THAT SHOULD SPEAK FOR ITSELF. WHY ARE YOU QUESTIONING THIS????

[alannalynn]

Nyn can you help me get these people on the same page wrt Nolder or do I have to start screaming at people?

[alannalynn]

I've literally never had people so unwilling to town read me in my life.

[Nynaeve]

Phone posting is hard, man

[bgrishinko]

 

But Nolder didn't refer to his own meta! It's completely different! If Turin or Eld or someone came in and said you were acting like your normal town self, that'd be fine. But you can't just tell people "Look how town I'm behaving! Believe me or else you are anti-town. How dare you question my obviously town play?"

Do you know what WIFOM means? Or has that term gone out of style?

 

Please don't treat me like I'm an idiot. I know how this game works and I have a pretty good track record of lynching mafia d1, or can I not say that either because game threads aren't open to the public? God forbid I ever reference to any game ever again.

 

I'll just start speaking in simple sentences that only reference to this game if that's what you want.

 

Nolder is mafia.

Please lynch him.

Sorry if I offended you. I don't think I was treating you like an idiot. I was genuinely curious if you knew the term WIFOM because you didn't seem to address that part. Also I signed up for this game, not a full research project of other past games so I will not be researching your play in other games.

[Nynaeve]

Guys lets do the following. I know the way zander and laine buddy and talk about meta seems weird. I didn't care for it when I first came across it. But they always do that so at worst that's entirely null. So! Lets drop it and find scum, cause I'm pretty sure they're not it, mkay? Great!

[alannalynn]

I've been playing for almost 6 years, I'm pretty sure I know the term WIFOM when I come across it.

 

Things are just as verifiable asking other players but you don't seem concerned with knowing if I'm telling the truth or not, you seem more concerned with discrediting me.

 

Do not lynch Zander

Do lynch Nolder

 

When Nolder flips scum, will you trust me then?

[alannalynn]

Guys lets do the following. I know the way zander and laine buddy and talk about meta seems weird. I didn't care for it when I first came across it. But they always do that so at worst that's entirely null. So! Lets drop it and find scum, cause I'm pretty sure they're not it, mkay? Great!

I said this hours ago. =/

 

and I already found scum. so why am i still here?

[Nynaeve]

Nolder is prolly scum so that's a good place to look at, btw.

[Zander?]

omg Zander I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt here! But yeah, I do see that more likely to come from a wolf!Sooh than a town!Sooh so you've made your point. I'm not sure she'll get lynched today so I'd prefer a push on Nolder.

 

#FULLZANDER at eod for me?

 

Lily the last game you saw me as scum was on JN, I think it was Ragnarok. I might look back at that game. hm.

 

 

It may be inevitable I feel the WIM coursing through my Town Toned veins!

 

DM mafia has grown up? Ha! Was it immature before?

 

Alannalynn... Let me sum up the what I think Lily is trying to convey in one simple term because I'm feeling the same thing from your arguments... WIFOM.

 

The fact you know your town meta means if you are mafia, you can fake your town meta much easier. On top of that you are actively bragging about how townie you are because your play fits your meta so well! Well. I for one am not going to just trust you on that. Talking about how you only like to play and get really involved if you are town is decidedly not a more mature way of playing. How boring is it to play with someone who doesn't try hard because they get mafia? After saying that, if I were ever in a QT with you, I'd ask the mods to replace you for that attitude. Also your example of Calder claiming to be mafia every game is a terrible example I think. Someone admits to being scum, he's got to be lynched. That guy needs to be policy lynched every game until he quits that crap.

 

Every post of yours regarding meta just reads WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM.

 

We know what WIFOM is, its still a term used in DM.  I can get what you and Lily are saying in regards to self Meta but for the others in the game her describing self Meta can be a tell either way as we have a pretty good handle on Town!Alanna and Scum!Alanna Meta so we can sift through fact and fiction. 

 

 

 

You keep saying using Meta is scummy but let me ask you this then, if someone is building a case on you based on Meta that is both incorrect and irrelevant based on what that person said themselves, is it not ok to use prove-able facts about said Meta to debunk the case?

 

Im not the one who brought up Meta, it was brought up against me so I proved it wrong.

Zander is my favorite person lol

 

 

Its ok I love me some me as well.

 

 

Laine: Bringing up one's own meta is always wifom-y. I know Pizza does this all the time, and I know it's impossible to judge his alignment based on those posts. Why? Because I know that those posts will always tell 100% the truth, and the honest tone of people explaining their meta may get them town read. 

 

If it helps, BG and Lily, Laine and Zander often mindmelds as town. It is something that has happened many times. She did trick him last game, which is why he was hesitant to begin with this game. 

 

Truth

 

Do you feel me being hesitant on her because of last game is alignment indicative and is so which and why?

 

I dont wanna put words in your mouth but the last sentence almost reads as you should be Town reading me but perhaps Im wrong..

 

Nyn can you help me get these people on the same page wrt Nolder or do I have to start screaming at people?

 

I LIKE SCREAMING BUT NO ONE BOTHERS TO LISTEN ANYWAYS.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

this conversation feels very familiar

 

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

 

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

 

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[v]Zander[/v]

 

Sooh, can you explain the bolded?

 

When I did my ISO of Zander I tried pointing out all the players he has FOSed early game. Then came a post where he said that Cory and he hadn't discussed very much yet, and then came the list of leans in which he pointed out he had cooperated with Cory on making. Some of the town leans on that list were people he had sussed earlier.

 

 

 

So after a reread with CoryGOAT, here is where I am atp:

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

Thane- Engaged and committed

Nyn- Making good observations and points.  Decent presence ITT.

BFG-  More active then Id expect as a wolf!BFG atp

 

Alanna- I didnt hate her response to my question.  I'm more worried about her atp then Cory is.

 

BG- Null and dont know him really.  Want to hear his response to my question.

Nolder- I think we came back weird for just about every post of his.  But Nol posts weird so Null

Turin- Here for now.  Wanna see some more content before passing judgement as I was wrong on him in the last game.

Pral-  Need more to go off of.

 

Lily- This is one spot were kinda were I differ from Cory he has her higher and has more experience with her then me as I have none.  But I wasnt a fan of her switching off her votes as soon as questions arose.

 

Eldrick- Feels very forced

Sooh-  Sooh is sick but I feel like after last game Sooh should be Town telling better atp.  Also something I noted was her Null stance on Eld.  May be nothing but where I have them both scummy its something I noticed.

 

[v] Sooh [/v]

 

Could just as easily vote Eld atp.

 

 

 

FOS'ing everyone is more likely to come from Town!Zander or Scum!Zander Sooh? 

 

Anyone else care to weigh in on this?

 

Also which of my Town leans do you feel I sussed and what about that suss and or the change on the read bothered you and why?

 

Going to work now. Won't get a chance to respond to this for several hours.

[Nynaeve]

This is ridiculous. Im not policy lynching anyone for using meta to defend themselves. Most of the mafia community here utilizes meta to read people. Especially on D1. So you're welcome to disapprove and frown upon it but there's no way in hell I'm lynching someone for it.

 

Kapish?

[bgrishinko]

I've been playing for almost 6 years, I'm pretty sure I know the term WIFOM when I come across it.

 

Things are just as verifiable asking other players but you don't seem concerned with knowing if I'm telling the truth or not, you seem more concerned with discrediting me.

 

Do not lynch Zander

Do lynch Nolder

 

When Nolder flips scum, will you trust me then?

I'd probably be more inclined to. But at this point I don't think he's the best option. I have no reason to disbelieve what you say your meta is. I don't doubt you are telling the truth there. I just don't believe you can't fake it if you wanted to.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

omg Zander I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt here! But yeah, I do see that more likely to come from a wolf!Sooh than a town!Sooh so you've made your point. I'm not sure she'll get lynched today so I'd prefer a push on Nolder.

 

#FULLZANDER at eod for me?

 

Lily the last game you saw me as scum was on JN, I think it was Ragnarok. I might look back at that game. hm.

 

 

It may be inevitable I feel the WIM coursing through my Town Toned veins!

 

DM mafia has grown up? Ha! Was it immature before?

 

Alannalynn... Let me sum up the what I think Lily is trying to convey in one simple term because I'm feeling the same thing from your arguments... WIFOM.

 

The fact you know your town meta means if you are mafia, you can fake your town meta much easier. On top of that you are actively bragging about how townie you are because your play fits your meta so well! Well. I for one am not going to just trust you on that. Talking about how you only like to play and get really involved if you are town is decidedly not a more mature way of playing. How boring is it to play with someone who doesn't try hard because they get mafia? After saying that, if I were ever in a QT with you, I'd ask the mods to replace you for that attitude. Also your example of Calder claiming to be mafia every game is a terrible example I think. Someone admits to being scum, he's got to be lynched. That guy needs to be policy lynched every game until he quits that crap.

 

Every post of yours regarding meta just reads WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM.

 

We know what WIFOM is, its still a term used in DM.  I can get what you and Lily are saying in regards to self Meta but for the others in the game her describing self Meta can be a tell either way as we have a pretty good handle on Town!Alanna and Scum!Alanna Meta so we can sift through fact and fiction. 

 

 

 

You keep saying using Meta is scummy but let me ask you this then, if someone is building a case on you based on Meta that is both incorrect and irrelevant based on what that person said themselves, is it not ok to use prove-able facts about said Meta to debunk the case?

 

Im not the one who brought up Meta, it was brought up against me so I proved it wrong.

Zander is my favorite person lol

 

 

Its ok I love me some me as well.

 

 

 

 

Laine: Bringing up one's own meta is always wifom-y. I know Pizza does this all the time, and I know it's impossible to judge his alignment based on those posts. Why? Because I know that those posts will always tell 100% the truth, and the honest tone of people explaining their meta may get them town read. 

 

If it helps, BG and Lily, Laine and Zander often mindmelds as town. It is something that has happened many times. She did trick him last game, which is why he was hesitant to begin with this game. 

 

Truth

 

Do you feel me being hesitant on her because of last game is alignment indicative and is so which and why?

 

I dont wanna put words in your mouth but the last sentence almost reads as you should be Town reading me but perhaps Im wrong..

 

 

 

Nyn can you help me get these people on the same page wrt Nolder or do I have to start screaming at people?

 

I LIKE SCREAMING BUT NO ONE BOTHERS TO LISTEN ANYWAYS.

 

Zander, if you are Town this game you're not having very much fun with it it seems. In terms of this particular example, you said during the aftermath of last game that you would be wary of Laine for a while. I don't expect that that is very difficult to fake, so in terms of your alignment I think it's null.

[Nynaeve]

NOLDER IS PROLLY SCUM GUYS.

 

I caught him twice as scum. I'm not bad at it. Just sayin'

 

Not that I'm bragging....

 

Kinda am.

[Zander?]

I've literally never had people so unwilling to town read me in my life.

 

God I really want to lock you in my Town Core.

 

Guys lets do the following. I know the way zander and laine buddy and talk about meta seems weird. I didn't care for it when I first came across it. But they always do that so at worst that's entirely null. So! Lets drop it and find scum, cause I'm pretty sure they're not it, mkay? Great!

 

Disobeying Nyn is not good for one's health imo.

 

Nolder is prolly scum so that's a good place to look at, btw.

 

Nolder most likely Scum.  I think Sooh is as well.

 

 

 

 

 

FOS'ing everyone is more likely to come from Town!Zander or Scum!Zander Sooh? 

 

Anyone else care to weigh in on this?

 

Also which of my Town leans do you feel I sussed and what about that suss and or the change on the read bothered you and why?

 

Going to work now. Won't get a chance to respond to this for several hours.

 

 

You can run but you cant hide from me...

[Sooh]

I've been playing for almost 6 years, I'm pretty sure I know the term WIFOM when I come across it.

 

Things are just as verifiable asking other players but you don't seem concerned with knowing if I'm telling the truth or not, you seem more concerned with discrediting me.

 

Do not lynch Zander

Do lynch Nolder

 

When Nolder flips scum, will you trust me then?

Leap of faith

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

[alannalynn]

NOLDER IS PROLLY SCUM GUYS.

 

I caught him twice as scum. I'm not bad at it. Just sayin'

 

Not that I'm bragging....

 

Kinda am

SAME! LET'S LYNCH HIM ALREADY DANGGIT!!!

 

Zander, I'm not in your town core? lol (is hurt) You know good and well that GnD mafia wasn't a normal game for me.

[bgrishinko]

This is ridiculous. Im not policy lynching anyone for using meta to defend themselves. Most of the mafia community here utilizes meta to read people. Especially on D1. So you're welcome to disapprove and frown upon it but there's no way in hell I'm lynching someone for it.

Kapish?

Agreed. That's why I'm not voting Laine either. I think using self meta is suspicious, but not a policy Lynch.

[alannalynn]

 

I've been playing for almost 6 years, I'm pretty sure I know the term WIFOM when I come across it.

 

Things are just as verifiable asking other players but you don't seem concerned with knowing if I'm telling the truth or not, you seem more concerned with discrediting me.

 

Do not lynch Zander

Do lynch Nolder

 

When Nolder flips scum, will you trust me then?

I'd probably be more inclined to. But at this point I don't think he's the best option. I have no reason to disbelieve what you say your meta is. I don't doubt you are telling the truth there. I just don't believe you can't fake it if you wanted to.

 

hey hey who is your WTL right now? I don't remember