[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

 

 

 

 

Zander feels reasonable the wrong way and stubborn the wrong way in that exchange.

 

Reasonable in that he's sitting and discussing it at length with you.

 

Stubborn in that he won't budge from his positions and that his positions wouldn't budge regardless of how the player reacted.

 

The lengthy numbered exchange felt worse from Zander than anything else I saw this game.

 

Zander doesn't feel like that in the previous couple of games. His suspicion was more spread out and he wasn't as interested in calmly discussing it.

 

why is it the wrong way?

 

 

Difficult to describe.

 

I don't recall him sticking to one topic for such an extended length of time in the previous games.

 

I don't recall him investing that much in any conversation with any one person.

 

I think he spoke more directly to his suspects as opposed to just trying to lay out a case. It's also been stagnant for a long while.

 

In that exchange with Shad, I felt like Zander was acting more like a lawyer than the berserker I know him to be.

 

Not town tunneling? 

Others have kept saying that this is null for Zander because of his stubbornness. You think otherwise because of the lawyer thing?

 

I was just on the receiving end of tinfoil-berserker Zander. I also saw how he cased Tabor in the game prior. This is different.

 

He's very focused on you and has been for a long while at the expense of his usual pushing of half the player list.

 

I think he's more about laying out persuasion than hammering at the moment.

 

Like, his willingness to even engage at length with mostly just Shad for that long even feels out of character for him.

 

He's basically a toddler on crack who as ADHD. Getting him to stand still for even five seconds is out of character. To be focused for this long and be so measured in his approach, and willing to exchange with shad for that long feels wrong.

 

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

 

What are your thoughts about the earlier wagons for today? i.e.: Kaylee, csarmi, Pralaya, me

 

 

I would consolidate onto Csarmi.

 

Not lynching Pralaya.

 

Difficult to consider lynching you atm. Your main accuser is giving me issues.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well youre working up to another one Pizza unless ofc youre scum....

 

I don't believe for a moment you believe I'm scum.

 

[Zander?]

 

 

The way you keep bringing up my pregame stuff as opposed to dealing with me now is a bad look.

 

 

ARE F@#@ING KIDDING ME>>>YOU TOLD ME TO SUSS YOU FOR THIS STUFF!!!!! YOU TOLD ME IT WAS YOUR SCUM GAME!!!!!  YOU TOLD ME YOURSELF!!!!!

 

 

And you have me as your top villager.

 

You can't keep using it to try to control my behavior. That's manipulative.

 

 

 

OK MAN LISTEN THE HELL TO ME NOW!!!!!

 

PIZZA TELLS ZANDER THESE ARE MY SCUM TELLS...IF YOU SEE ME DO THEM IM SCUM.

 

ZANDER SEES PIZZA DOING HIS SELF DESCRIBED SCUM TELLS.

 

ZANDER QUESTIONS PIZZA

 

PIZZA VOTES ZANDER AND CALLS HIM MANIPULATIVE

 

WTF??!?!!

 

LIKE YOU CALL ME MANIPULATIVE TRYING TO CONTROL YOUR BEHAVIOR DUDE I HAVENT EVEN VOTED YOU YET I BROUGHT IT UP TO YOU LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE!!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will not be cowed by all caps. This does not impress Pizza.

[wish-tree]

*doesn't know how to even interfere in this fight*

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zander feels reasonable the wrong way and stubborn the wrong way in that exchange.

 

Reasonable in that he's sitting and discussing it at length with you.

 

Stubborn in that he won't budge from his positions and that his positions wouldn't budge regardless of how the player reacted.

 

The lengthy numbered exchange felt worse from Zander than anything else I saw this game.

 

Zander doesn't feel like that in the previous couple of games. His suspicion was more spread out and he wasn't as interested in calmly discussing it.

 

why is it the wrong way?

 

 

Difficult to describe.

 

I don't recall him sticking to one topic for such an extended length of time in the previous games.

 

I don't recall him investing that much in any conversation with any one person.

 

I think he spoke more directly to his suspects as opposed to just trying to lay out a case. It's also been stagnant for a long while.

 

In that exchange with Shad, I felt like Zander was acting more like a lawyer than the berserker I know him to be.

 

Not town tunneling? 

Others have kept saying that this is null for Zander because of his stubbornness. You think otherwise because of the lawyer thing?

 

I was just on the receiving end of tinfoil-berserker Zander. I also saw how he cased Tabor in the game prior. This is different.

 

He's very focused on you and has been for a long while at the expense of his usual pushing of half the player list.

 

I think he's more about laying out persuasion than hammering at the moment.

 

Like, his willingness to even engage at length with mostly just Shad for that long even feels out of character for him.

 

He's basically a toddler on crack who as ADHD. Getting him to stand still for even five seconds is out of character. To be focused for this long and be so measured in his approach, and willing to exchange with shad for that long feels wrong.

 

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

 

What are your thoughts about the earlier wagons for today? i.e.: Kaylee, csarmi, Pralaya, me

 

 

I would consolidate onto Csarmi.

 

Not lynching Pralaya.

 

Difficult to consider lynching you atm. Your main accuser is giving me issues.

 

 

 

and now youre back and forthing like this COME ON PIZZA this is just plain bad.  why did you vote me in the first place??!?!?!?

[Nolder]

Sorry for the long quote, got pasta in front of me.

 

I then ISO'ed celeste.

 

Posted it.

 

then ISO'ed Kaylee.

 

My bottom 3. I pushed or examined in detail all 3 of them.

 

Ok but you've been on record saying you don't want to lynch Celeste.

Are you saying that changed?

[Zander?]

I will not be cowed by all caps. This does not impress Pizza.

 

 

Just like i WASNT cowed by your threats in ME eh,...

[wish-tree]

UH, LAINEY

 

HELP

 

My dark green is fighting with another one of my light greens

 

I want to vote csarmi, but I'm really tempted to vote Zander because he has been tunneling me all game, even though I found his other behavior townie.

 

what are your thoughts?

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

 

 

I'd probably lynch Wish purely because that's where Turin is voting. No other real reason comes to mind.

Turin is voting me because he thinks there's a conspiracy between me, Cass, Laine, and you to get Celeste lynched.

 

He thinks I hard defended her but am also willing to vote her....

 

This is not a good reason.

 

 

I'm going to vote with my village if I can't get my main suspects lynched.

 

 

 

Pizza this is starting to feel like your scum tell with your reads man.  Leaving yourself to back and blame following others as a reason.....im not liking this,

 

 

This is not what I told you.

 

I pushed Turin and attempted to get him lynched. That doesn't leave me room to back away. His claim forced that behavior.

 

I pushed Kaylee really, really, really hard. She still isn't clear. I didn't back away, there was no room to back away. She isn't suddenly a villager in my eyes. But on the assumption I can be wrong, I've pushed onto others.

 

Csarmi I laid out why he can be scum, and have pushed him, as opposed to just sheeping others.

 

This is my town game, as I explained.

 

Now, you have repeatedly brought up my scum tells that I told you pregame, while at the same time calling me your top villager.

 

I won't have that used to direct my behavior this game, especially when you're using them inappropriately AND don't believe I am scum.

[wish-tree]

 

Sorry for the long quote, got pasta in front of me.

 

I then ISO'ed celeste.

 

Posted it.

 

then ISO'ed Kaylee.

 

My bottom 3. I pushed or examined in detail all 3 of them.

 

Ok but you've been on record saying you don't want to lynch Celeste.

Are you saying that changed?

 

Nolder, catch up, please

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zander feels reasonable the wrong way and stubborn the wrong way in that exchange.

 

Reasonable in that he's sitting and discussing it at length with you.

 

Stubborn in that he won't budge from his positions and that his positions wouldn't budge regardless of how the player reacted.

 

The lengthy numbered exchange felt worse from Zander than anything else I saw this game.

 

Zander doesn't feel like that in the previous couple of games. His suspicion was more spread out and he wasn't as interested in calmly discussing it.

 

why is it the wrong way?

 

 

Difficult to describe.

 

I don't recall him sticking to one topic for such an extended length of time in the previous games.

 

I don't recall him investing that much in any conversation with any one person.

 

I think he spoke more directly to his suspects as opposed to just trying to lay out a case. It's also been stagnant for a long while.

 

In that exchange with Shad, I felt like Zander was acting more like a lawyer than the berserker I know him to be.

 

Not town tunneling? 

Others have kept saying that this is null for Zander because of his stubbornness. You think otherwise because of the lawyer thing?

 

I was just on the receiving end of tinfoil-berserker Zander. I also saw how he cased Tabor in the game prior. This is different.

 

He's very focused on you and has been for a long while at the expense of his usual pushing of half the player list.

 

I think he's more about laying out persuasion than hammering at the moment.

 

Like, his willingness to even engage at length with mostly just Shad for that long even feels out of character for him.

 

He's basically a toddler on crack who as ADHD. Getting him to stand still for even five seconds is out of character. To be focused for this long and be so measured in his approach, and willing to exchange with shad for that long feels wrong.

 

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

 

What are your thoughts about the earlier wagons for today? i.e.: Kaylee, csarmi, Pralaya, me

 

 

I would consolidate onto Csarmi.

 

Not lynching Pralaya.

 

Difficult to consider lynching you atm. Your main accuser is giving me issues.

 

 

 

and now youre back and forthing like this COME ON PIZZA this is just plain bad.  why did you vote me in the first place??!?!?!?

 

 

I have stated I wouldn't lynch Pralaya since well before that become a common opinion.

 

I have been willing to vote for Csarmi for more than one session of being at this computer.

 

I have said for a long while I haven't cleared you and I didn't want to push onto Wish because you're not in my circle of trust.

 

Framing it as being wishy-washy when it's not, when I am a player who does move his vote and opinion a lot, and painting it as not having strong opinions, is inaccurate at best.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

I'd probably lynch Wish purely because that's where Turin is voting. No other real reason comes to mind.

Turin is voting me because he thinks there's a conspiracy between me, Cass, Laine, and you to get Celeste lynched.

 

He thinks I hard defended her but am also willing to vote her....

 

This is not a good reason.

 

 

I'm going to vote with my village if I can't get my main suspects lynched.

 

 

 

Pizza this is starting to feel like your scum tell with your reads man.  Leaving yourself to back and blame following others as a reason.....im not liking this,

 

 

This is not what I told you.

 

I pushed Turin and attempted to get him lynched. That doesn't leave me room to back away. His claim forced that behavior.

 

I pushed Kaylee really, really, really hard. She still isn't clear. I didn't back away, there was no room to back away. She isn't suddenly a villager in my eyes. But on the assumption I can be wrong, I've pushed onto others.

 

Csarmi I laid out why he can be scum, and have pushed him, as opposed to just sheeping others.

 

This is my town game, as I explained.

 

Now, you have repeatedly brought up my scum tells that I told you pregame, while at the same time calling me your top villager.

 

I won't have that used to direct my behavior this game, especially when you're using them inappropriately AND don't believe I am scum.

 

 

 

i give more then a small sample size before judging you scum i also said ID NEVER LYNCH YOU D1 IM NOT VOTING YOU!!!

 

IM ASKING QUESTIONS AND MAKING POINTS FFS!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

Sorry for the long quote, got pasta in front of me.

 

I then ISO'ed celeste.

 

Posted it.

 

then ISO'ed Kaylee.

 

My bottom 3. I pushed or examined in detail all 3 of them.

 

Ok but you've been on record saying you don't want to lynch Celeste.

Are you saying that changed?

 

After the ISO I haven't been interested in pushing Celeste.

 

I have her as more trustworthy than Zander presently.

 

But she absolutely has to step it up going forward.

[Zander?]

Pizza im straight up not being mislynched so whats next for you?

[Nolder]

Gun to head and off the cuff changes to my list, since thread indicates that it's wrong

Day One no lynch list:

 

Turin

Myself

Shad

Pralaya

Nolder

Zander

Celeste

Kaylee

 

Bottom 5:

 

Lenlo

 

Wish

 

Cass / Laine, probably Laine over Cass for the lynch.

 

Csarmi

No ISO has been done on Csarmi, Laine, Cass, Wish, or Lenlo. So if all of my previous top 3 aren't big candidates for a lynch today, either by my own detective work or by claim, then.

 

That order.

So Celeste is no longer on the bottom.

You have a bottom FIVE but Celeste isn't there.

My, that sure is convenient.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

i give more then a small sample size before judging you scum i also said ID NEVER LYNCH YOU D1 IM NOT VOTING YOU!!!

 

IM ASKING QUESTIONS AND MAKING POINTS FFS!!!!

Why is this even bothering you?

 

Like one vote from me is going to slow down the Zander Mack Truck?

 

Why can't you multitask this game? I saw you attacking the entire thread at once in previous games as town.

 

Your mind is way more focused than it usually is. That indicates you have an agenda.

 

Or am I mischaracterizing you?

 

Tell me if that's even inaccurate.

 

We're talking right now, so talk me down from this position. Am I misremembering, lying, or what?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza im straight up not being mislynched so whats next for you?

 

I'm prepared to sit at the back of the class and shoot spitballs at you until you act like Zander.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

Gun to head and off the cuff changes to my list, since thread indicates that it's wrong

Day One no lynch list:

 

Turin

Myself

Shad

Pralaya

Nolder

Zander

Celeste

Kaylee

 

Bottom 5:

 

Lenlo

 

Wish

 

Cass / Laine, probably Laine over Cass for the lynch.

 

Csarmi

No ISO has been done on Csarmi, Laine, Cass, Wish, or Lenlo. So if all of my previous top 3 aren't big candidates for a lynch today, either by my own detective work or by claim, then.

 

That order.

So Celeste is no longer on the bottom.

You have a bottom FIVE but Celeste isn't there.

My, that sure is convenient.

 

 

 

If you lynch her and she's scum, you have my EXPLICIT PERMISSION to lynch me next.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I won't ever have to worry about paying up on that bet.

 

XD

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

I'd probably lynch Wish purely because that's where Turin is voting. No other real reason comes to mind.

Turin is voting me because he thinks there's a conspiracy between me, Cass, Laine, and you to get Celeste lynched.

 

He thinks I hard defended her but am also willing to vote her....

 

This is not a good reason.

 

 

I'm going to vote with my village if I can't get my main suspects lynched.

 

villagers can be wrong (and often are)

-_-

 

 

Yeah but I'm not going to rely on wolves to point at a wolf right now with the outcome this in doubt and several candidates proposed.

 

I know of one person who is a villager, me. Odds of me lynching a wolf are higher than a wolf.

 

Turin's claim approximately never comes from a wolf, but it can happen, but not at the time of day he claimed with me explicitly warning off counterclaims.

 

It's always a suicide move.

 

So I am willing to follow Shad, and Turin, and me.

 

I have to be misunderstanding this. There is no way you're saying mafia never claim doc.

 

What are you saying? Please restate it.

[Zander?]

Dude its coming up on EOD and your going after someone who aint being mislynched

 

You tell me you want me to learn your tells and you explain them to me

 

i notice them and point them out

 

you vote me and then say im manipulating you!!!!!!!!!!!

 

YOU GOTTA SEE WHY THIS ALARMS ME FFS!!!!!

[Lenlo]

Remind me why Lenlo is so high on people's lists?

Dunno

 

Pizza, Zander, your fighting over stupid stuff. Pizza, we both know that the way your responding riles Zander up instead of actually talking to him. Zander, stop using all caps and communicate like a big boy. Srs its D1, stop town imploding on each other.

 

As of the last VC how much time do we have?

[wish-tree]

I won't ever have to worry about paying up on that bet.

 

XD

yup

[Kaylee]

LAINE: Why take so long to unvote Turin if his claim moved him so far up for you? I don't get it. You have me at the bottom, said you liked the case against me, seem to think I'm on my scum game. So why not vote me? Also you're comment about not lynching the claimed doc with one vote is...Idk rubs ne the wrong way.

 

Moving Alanna down on my list.