[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

wish-tree · January 6, 2016

ISO of Zander, part 1: RE: Openings-

Few things to note (read within the spoiler for more details):

1) Is a meta-reliant player. Heavily so. Welcomes hearing about other people's metas, even hearing about self-described metas.

2) Lots of fluff and buddying/flirting.

3) Pushing people behind the joking.

Some things that don't make sense about his push on me irt these observations:

1) Does not take other people's meta-reliant reads of me, nor acknowledges my own self-described meta.

2) Consistently asks other people about their own meta, does not find it suspicious, yet focuses on me.

3) Does not believe my meta with Penny either.

Some things that I like:

1) Pushing people even as he is posting some fluff.

2) Considering meta and other people's reads (except in regards to me).

Some things I don't like:

1) Fluff amounts.

2) Buddying/flirting.

3) Late start to content.

Overall conclusions from just this? Weird focus on me. Great start in comparison. Let's keep going.

[also, note that all emoticons were snipped]

SWEEEEET RANDED TOWN AGAIN!!!!!

Checking in, will be online after work, looking forward to some content by then to look over

Lock Clear!!!!!!!

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I'm getting a funny feeling that this game will not average 20 posts per hour.

more fluff.

Only players in this game I feel I have a pretty solid grasp of meta on.

It's going to be fun playing with so many unfamiliar faces. A different sort of challenge than I've gotten used to.

Just Lunch The Wolves imo!!!!!!!!

Well, unfamiliar relatively speaking. I think I've played with all of you at least once except Cass.

This is the biggest question mark of the game....Can Cory's Townyness outweigh Cass's Wolfiness??!!!!!!!

Only players in this game I feel I have a pretty solid grasp of meta on.

It's going to be fun playing with so many unfamiliar faces. A different sort of challenge than I've gotten used to.

You have a solid grasp of my meta? Do tell, its always fun hearing what others think.

First ya Id like to hear your thoughts on Len's Meta.....and mine as well!!!!!!

Also before I head to bed [v]Cass[/v]
checking in at break to lol at this, purely because Cass' ability to rand mafia hehehehehe

Shad/Lenlo being cute

Lololololololol (Sorry Zander, had to steal!)

OFC YOU CAN USE THE LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ALSO TELL CORY I LOVE HIM!!!!!!

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[v]Penny![/v]

LOVELY PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I. AM. TOWN !!!!!!!!

And I have permission/instruction from Cory to go #FULLCASS!!

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Ooooooohhhh Wiiiiiilllllvvvveessssss.....

Watchyo back!

Cass I have no Meta on you...is joke votes normal for you? How do you play? What are your scum tells??? Or is it just straight Rand.Org has forever branded you a Wolf??!!!

lmklmklmk

good morning [emoticons snipped]

Morning Turin havent played with you in a long time or really much at all for that matter looking forward to it man!!!!

good morning
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Morning Turin havent played with you in a long time or really much at all for that matter looking forward to it man!!!!
it has been a while. let's lunch some wolves.

Lets do this brother!!!

Turin have you played with Cass??

Like do you have any Meta on her?

Im a pretty heavy Meta reliant player so I need some info on her.

Also a little on yourself would be pretty ok.

Others will weigh in on both but I do like hearing people describe themselves tho.

Z, I think I played once or twice with her in the game. I don't recall a lot about her but I think she is a more analytical player. I recall dice always having to tell her to go to sleep.

For me, I'm Turin and I like lazy Sunday mornings in bed, medium sized walks in the park and living here in the shire.

I'm town. Like always.

ok on the Cass part....and I love the rest of the response!!!! lololololololol

wish-tree · January 6, 2016

and part 2, because it wouldn't fit:

Shad/Lenlo being cute

Current thoughts on these two are that there's ?probably too much interaction and Town-Town calling there for them to be W-W. Lenlo possibly a more likely candidate for non-Town (but this with full disclosure that I'm reading Lenlo much the same as everything I read of his in the Diablo game and he flipped Town).

@Laine, can you explain 'being cute' and why it was important to you? Ie - what's your assessment of the cuteness in relation to initial reads?

Why Lenlo over Shad? Shad can play a good wolf game and Lenlo is pretty null so far.

The being cute joke comment was saying that they're being really chummy. It wasn't meant to indicate alignments of either, but it is good to note for later in case one of them flips.

I'm slightly wary of Alanna right now...

Lainey, you a wolf?

Yo! Cass, calm yourself. I'm not a wolf. Why are you wary of me?

Checking in, will be online after work, looking forward to some content by then to look over
Lock Clear!!!!!!!
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Hi dahhlingggg! [emoticons snipped]

For Zander:

[emoticons snipped]Don't think you can lock clear me as a pocketing technique though. I'm watching you, Z.

Alanna its not a pocketing technique its that I know that you have a righteous towny soul ldo!!!!!

lolololololol

I would actually say Lenlo (I originally just wrote Lenlove? wtf) a little more likely to be town than Shad, due to his willingness to give Shad a town lean like that.

For now..

Lenlo

Shad

Really???!!!!

I dont think that is in anyway shape or form alignment indicative my dear. Why do you do???

Oh wait it isn't hearthstone.

Still cool.

So wassup.

WHO LET CSARMI IN HERE???!!!!!

loloololololol

I would actually say Lenlo (I originally just wrote Lenlove? wtf) a little more likely to be town than Shad, due to his willingness to give Shad a town lean like that.

For now..

Lenlo

Shad

Really???!!!!

I dont think that is in anyway shape or form alignment indicative my dear. Why do you do???

LET ME DO MY THING ZANDER OMG

YES MA'AM...but remember....Im just doing mine as well!!!!!!!!

Kaylee · January 6, 2016

@Kay don't you believe for a second you are playing badly. I like your play.

Thank you

Askthepizzaguy · January 6, 2016

Gun to head and off the cuff changes to my list, since thread indicates that it's wrong

Day One no lynch list:

Turin

Myself

Shad

Pralaya

Nolder

Zander

Celeste

Kaylee

Bottom 5:

Lenlo

Wish

Cass / Laine, probably Laine over Cass for the lynch.

Csarmi

No ISO has been done on Csarmi, Laine, Cass, Wish, or Lenlo. So if all of my previous top 3 aren't big candidates for a lynch today, either by my own detective work or by claim, then.

That order.

alannalynn · January 6, 2016

Okay I'm here now, going to catch up and then let's talk

Askthepizzaguy · January 6, 2016

With 8 hours to go and most of those during the normal Sooh/Pizza sleeping time hours, I don't have time to ISO all of them.

So if Csarmi is a good bet, let's go there, otherwise I'm sheeping someone. Which isn't my favorite thing to do but it's what has to be done with the time remaining.

Kaylee · January 6, 2016

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Turin (1): Laine,

Wish (2): Zander, Turin

Csarmi (4): Cass, Pizza, Wish, Kaylee

Pralaya (1): Lenlo

Kaylee (1): Pralaya

Not voting (4): Shad, Csarmi, Celeste, Nolder

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

DAY ONE WILL END AT 10:00 PM MST (MIDNIGHT EASTERN) ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160106T22&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+One&font=cursive&csz=1

Didn't I vote before Wish? Thought I had

alannalynn · January 6, 2016

Pizza, ISO me and tell me you still want to lynch me. I want to go ahead and clear myself because I'd rather have you on my side than now right now

wish-tree · January 6, 2016

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Turin (1): Laine,

Wish (2): Zander, Turin

Csarmi (4): Cass, Pizza, Wish, Kaylee

Pralaya (1): Lenlo

Kaylee (1): Pralaya

Not voting (4): Shad, Csarmi, Celeste, Nolder

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

DAY ONE WILL END AT 10:00 PM MST (MIDNIGHT EASTERN) ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160106T22&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+One&font=cursive&csz=1

Didn't I vote before Wish? Thought I had

no, pretty sure I voted first

alannalynn · January 6, 2016

I would YOLO lynch Cass or Csarmi. Otherwise, I would lynch Kaylee

Askthepizzaguy · January 6, 2016

Pizza, ISO me and tell me you still want to lynch me. I want to go ahead and clear myself because I'd rather have you on my side than now right now

Sure, but I have better.

In your own words, walk me through what you did today to find scums.

What did you do that is actually outside your scum meta, that you would not do today.

What are your core villaging principles? I need several.

Demonstrate that you followed them by citing example.

wish-tree · January 6, 2016

unvote

Vote Csarmi

Zander, you and I can fight tomorrow.

[v] unvote[/v]

What do you think about the Csarmi claim/Pizza's case on him?

Im not with you yet today.

Csarmi defense of kay seems strange imo.

as does the timing of his claim.

what does this mean?

Don't think the timing is weird. Shad did ask him to claim. And iirc, thread kinda pressured him to full-claim. Agree with Pizza's point on csarmi setting Kaylee up.

i mean im not done with you yet today.

I was in the middle of ISOing you.

Let's go.

youve read me Town all game lololololol

i cant wait to see what you come back with

glgl

probably also terribly misguided Town, but Shad did ask me to reevaluate

This is how Shad described my Town game:

Zander is like a Mack Truck with an Epic GPS

Misguided not so much...also its worth noting Shad's refusal to accept my case against you but weve disagreed before but I think there could be a poss link between the 2 of you....

Just because he's defending me means there's a link between us?

alannalynn · January 6, 2016

OKay going to start where I left off

Shad_ · January 6, 2016

Also Kaylee had some really good players town reading her early.

It was just an all around outstanding game from her. My guess would be it was a well above average performance. (Not discrediting your scumming ability Kay, just saying you were especially impressive in that one.)

Hmm

So you think that this game is still within her scum range?

I really liked the Pizza argument when I read it

but just analyzing posting content, style, and type from her town game and this game seems to point to more similarities with her town game than Frozen (even if it is a bad game to ISO her as scum in).

Frozen is literally the only game we've ever played together before.

I just think it might not be a great example of the norm.

Kaylee · January 6, 2016

WTL atp:

Wish

Kay

Id have said Turin but claim so prolly Csarmi.

knowing that scum has fake claims, is there a possibility that Turin's is a fake claim?

The specific character and role claimed means it's irrelevant even if it were fake.

He always dies, so he shouln't be in anyone's POE

vote wish with me Pizza. where do you have her?

I don't have a proper leans list, and the reason why is the original note-taking method I was doing kept falling further and further behind.

As such, it was going to always be behind the current events.

More useful was to iggy everyone but one player and do ISO of that person.

With Turin removed from the POE, I did Celeste, and found very little to dig into. I felt if there's a scum by analysis, the best way is to continue ISO'ing.

I pushed Celeste up into a category above Lenlo. And yourself because I'm still not sure. I haven't had time to read Matrix again.

This is what I had before falling asleep about 9-10 hours ago.

Askthepizzaguy (again!)

Turin - Doc claim

Shad <----Blue

Cass <---- Skating on early good stuff.

-

Celeste <----Post ISO

Lenlo <---Isn't doing enough to justify being this high. Had good feelings earlier.

Zander <----I want to hard clear, but I can't. It's just going to be generically villager.

Nolder <----He's not acting like his scum game but I can't completely clear him. I gave him points. The best thing about his game is his reads are unique and not copycatted.

Wish <---- Probably was the next one to be ISO'ed because there's nothing really to see when iso'ing Pralaya.

Pralaya <--- Essentially null but had good feelings

-

Csarmi <-----this is prior to even opening the thread this session. I felt like Csarmi was letting others do the work, much like Kaylee.

Laine <----Got bad vibes around the Turin-claim region

Kaylee

I have no specific reason not to lynch Wish.

I will consolidate onto Wish to ensure a lynch if pressure does not move onto Csarmi.

I will consider other candidates but now we're under the clock.

I'd Fire-drill Cass, because if Cass flips scum it looks excellent for Nolder.

So,

willing to lynch

Csarmi for the main, Wish for consolidation, Cass or Laine are the folks I think fooled me today if they're wolves. Would be willing to YOLO either one right now.

Csarmi is now main? Thought I was

Shad_ · January 6, 2016

Damn, got up for an hour and I'm six pages behind again. <_<

Askthepizzaguy · January 6, 2016

Reason why that response, Laine, is because of time pressure.

Getting more data on you right now in your own words is helpful to me.

Askthepizzaguy · January 6, 2016

Csarmi is now main? Thought I was

You haven't cleared you. The behavior of the thread indicated that I was incorrect.

But that's super weak. If you're still alive late game, and unresolved, and you have nothing that locks you clear, someone should really look at the case I made.

I will be dead by then and unable to push you, so this is my will-

Resolve Kaylee before Day Four ends.

wish-tree · January 6, 2016

Csarmi is now main? Thought I was

You haven't cleared you. The behavior of the thread indicated that I was incorrect.

But that's super weak. If you're still alive late game, and unresolved, and you have nothing that locks you clear, someone should really look at the case I made.

I will be dead by then and unable to push you, so this is my will-

Resolve Kaylee before Day Four ends.

Noted.

Kaylee · January 6, 2016

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Turin (1): Laine,

Wish (2): Zander, Turin

Csarmi (4): Cass, Pizza, Wish, Kaylee

Pralaya (1): Lenlo

Kaylee (1): Pralaya

Not voting (4): Shad, Csarmi, Celeste, Nolder

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

DAY ONE WILL END AT 10:00 PM MST (MIDNIGHT EASTERN) ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160106T22&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+One&font=cursive&csz=1

Didn't I vote before Wish? Thought I had

no, pretty sure I voted first

and you unvoted or am I mixing that with someone else?

wish-tree · January 6, 2016

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Turin (1): Laine,

Wish (2): Zander, Turin

Csarmi (4): Cass, Pizza, Wish, Kaylee

Pralaya (1): Lenlo

Kaylee (1): Pralaya

Not voting (4): Shad, Csarmi, Celeste, Nolder

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

DAY ONE WILL END AT 10:00 PM MST (MIDNIGHT EASTERN) ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160106T22&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+One&font=cursive&csz=1

Didn't I vote before Wish? Thought I had
no, pretty sure I voted first
and you unvoted or am I mixing that with someone else?

I unvoted and then voted

nothing wrong with the vote count

wish-tree · January 6, 2016

rereading Zander posts makes me mad

He's asking others to meta clear him wrt his interactions with Lainey, and tells Cass to back off

WHY IS HE SO CONCERNED ABOUT MY INTERACTIONS WITH PENNY, THEN?

Kaylee · January 6, 2016

Csarmi is now main? Thought I was
You haven't cleared you. The behavior of the thread indicated that I was incorrect.

But that's super weak. If you're still alive late game, and unresolved, and you have nothing that locks you clear, someone should really look at the case I made.

I will be dead by then and unable to push you, so this is my will-

Resolve Kaylee before Day Four ends.

What's weak? I was seriously confused. You're still in my high town pile.

Anyway I'm trying to clear myself. Reads will become better and scum pile will be better after flips. I agree if I haven't stepped it up then I'm not helping and need to go.

Zander? · January 6, 2016

Csarmi ISO PT 1

Zander have we wrekt the wolves yet or do i need to play?

Like just wtf.

I'm getting a funny feeling that this game will not average 20 posts per hour.

Villagery intro.

Really? How so?

[v]Penny![/v]

LOVELY PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I. AM. TOWN !!!!!!!!

And I have permission/instruction from Cory to go #FULLCASS!!

Ooooooohhhh Wiiiiiilllllvvvveessssss.....

Watchyo back!

Cass I have no Meta on you...is joke votes normal for you? How do you play? What are your scum tells??? Or is it just straight Rand.Org has forever branded you a Wolf??!!!

lmklmklmk

This is somehow out of tone for me espec7ally given Zanny's earlier posts around here. Awkward switch of ... Approach.

First game related post really. Whats awkward about it?

Also Len/Laine are literally never w/w there.

Why? Seems like a lazy thought post.

All right. Got a good handle on you now, Cass.

My initial reaction to you made me recalibrate the scum scope a lot until I found a you that I could understand. Fortunately I am a brand of that kind of villager sometimes so it's not completely foreign, or you'd sound all kinds of forced. Hah.

I don't understand what you mean by 'recalibrate the scum scope' but, well, read my wolf games. That's me forced.

Read my previous Town games. That's me more leashed.

If you're INFP like was said in chat, understand my personality as the extraverted version. I'm the same type as Zander. Campaigner/Champion/Possibility hunter. I'm also less experienced and really tired. I'm just getting in early because excitement and Cory threatened I need to make 10-15 posts each RL day and excitement.

You're pretty spot-on with the manic observation, and yep, I'll come down and hopefully be easier to understand.

Re-read complete, and my villager leans are thusly

We're not giving points for everything this time, that leads to runaway (Lenlo) scumreads which are sucky and don't reverse until it's problem. Instead posts which are likely town but more easily faked as scum are 0 with the word town next to it.

Askthepizzaguy (again!)
Cassy +5 initial wtf reaction has been clarified a lot. Yeah blue.
Shad +3 not outside his scum game but much improvement
Laine +2 Not confident but in my top 3
Zander Null points, but +1 overall (Not outside his scum range but I get good vibes)
Csarmi Null points, but +1 good feels
Turin Null points, but +1 good feels
Kaylee Null
Lenlo Null
Celeste Null

Wish True Null
Pralaya True Null
Nolder True Null

Manic Cass is townic Cass. Agree with her self-assessment, Pizza's approach, and just about ready to clear Cass there.

Never played with Pizza before but he lookw to be trying to solve the game and his approach is +EV. Green, I guess?

Think I'm at Shad and Cass as villagers, Pizza and Leno as possible villagers.

Too many early town reads without reasoning.

Kaylee · January 6, 2016

I unvoted and then voted

nothing wrong with the vote count

Ok just checking because I look at these after a flip and order can be telling.

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