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[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

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Nolder Spam Master

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Nolder, did you read everything in this game at least once over?

Yeah.

I'm sure I glazed over a few posts here and there but I never fell behind an entire page and didn't catch up.

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War makes for strange bedfellows indeed, Malfurion mused, looking at his companions.  The flame-haired wizard was a strange one indeed... of an unfamiliar race -- human, he called himself -- the spellcaster was also a stranger in this time.  He had been transported from ten thousand years in the future, he said, after another war against this same Burning Legion, and his understanding of the enemy and their tactics had been invaluable.  Yes, Rhonin was a powerful ally, but one that Malfurion would never have expected.

 

More familiar to him was the Night Elf at his side, although Jarod Shadowsong had his own qualifications as a strange bedfellow.  Shadowsong had gone from being a Captain in the Suramar City Watch and Malfurion's captor, to being appointed as his bodyguard -- then thrust into leadership of the Kaldorei resistance in a matter of weeks.  He gave off an aura of cool competence, which was critical in the chaos of these days.

 

As Malfurion pondered the circumstances that had made these men his allies, even friends, a raven's screech pierced his eardrums.  Aviana circled the trio, and transformed into her Night Elven form as she landed.  The demigoddess nodded solemnly to the Night Elf commander, then the human, before turning to Malfurion.

 

"There is news you must hear," she stated without preamble.  "The green-skinned one, the one who calls himself an 'orc'... he has been slain."

 

Rhonin bowed his head. "Brox."

 

"Broxigar has found his warrior's death," Malfurion said. "May the Mother Moon guide him on his journey, and his honored ancestors welcome him home."

 

 

Askthepizzaguy - Broxigar Saurfang, Town 1x Vigilante - has been killed.

 

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IT IS NOW DAY FOUR.

Shad_ Spam Master

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Nolder, did you read everything in this game at least once over?

Yeah.

I'm sure I glazed over a few posts here and there but I never fell behind an entire page and didn't catch up.

 

 

I guess I don't understand why you would have thought me a good lynch candidate going into D2 if you were actually informed on the course of events prior.  How did you reconcile your initial read on me with my treatment of Zander?

Celeste Collaborator

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Eeerr i'm kind of mini panicking right now. A bit burnt out but I still want to lynch Nolder even though I was wrong about Pralaya.

Nolder Spam Master

Nolder

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Nolder, did you read everything in this game at least once over?

Yeah.

I'm sure I glazed over a few posts here and there but I never fell behind an entire page and didn't catch up.

 

 

I guess I don't understand why you would have thought me a good lynch candidate going into D2 if you were actually informed on the course of events prior.  How did you reconcile your initial read on me with my treatment of Zander?

How does anyone reconcile such things? They shrug and say it's WIFOM and focus on more substantial concerns.

Shad_ Spam Master

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I will try to study Wish the way I did Cass Celeste and Nolder.  It's not going to happen tonight.  I needed a breather and I have too much booze in me to be productive at this point.

 

I think Nolder is scummy town.  So did Lenlo and Pral, and they've both played with him a good bit.  I'm not AoL Nynaeve levels of confidence here and I admit I could be wrong, but I think he's town.  If you want to lynch him, at least try to study his past games a bit and draw an informed conclusion, because Nolder can be pretty scummy as town.  Doesn't make him town here.  But we've invested too much into this game to just yolo lynch him.

 

Celeste appears to be a player who can be scummy as town as well.  I have zero experience with her beyond TUS where I didn't pay one bit of attention to her posts.  I read her two scum games on this site and I read her town game in Rustlemania.  I think she was more proactive in pushing her reads in Rustlemania than she has been here, but she's definitely been more analytic than in TUS or Ragnarok.  (iirc she never advanced a case beyond "gut feels" in either.)  The margin between her scum and town games is something akin to Hallia, and if I'm hedging on town, the understanding you gain from ISOing other games does not match up to actually playing with someone.  I would say from my limited perspective that she is closer to her town game than her scum game, but it's only a slight lean.

 

Cass played a fantastic D1 as either alignment.  If she's a wolf, she's a damn good one.  She's been very consistent, in my opinion, and how she claims her reads evolved mostly match up to what she actually said as the game progressed.  In a 225 page game, no one is going to be 100% consistent, and her inconsistencies are very slight.  Except for her treatment of Zander at the beginning, which I really struggle to swallow in light of her actual experience with him.  When I found the Frozen DT quote in particular, my initial feeling was that I'd fully outed her, but as time passes and no one else seems to find that observation significant, I wonder if she is simply town guilty of critically forgetting some stuff that happened a few months ago regarding a player that happened to rand wolf.  I dunno.  The connection with Zander is hard for me to get over; but she's played an overall pretty townie game.  She did make a few observations that were o_O hard to swallow, such as calling out Celeste for saying "umm" and calling out Pizza for posting a helpful note-taking tool.  I have never played with Cass before or observed any of her games live.  Her game here doesn't look like any of her previous DM ones, town or scum, and there's both a half-year gap and a Cory mentor separating them.  People who have played with her more recently (Celeste, Wish) ought to state or re-state their opinions on whether the forgetfulness and really obscure call-outs jive with her town game.

 

wish-tree's D1 did not look like her scum games in Rag and TUS.  She bounced around and buddied people and didn't really do much to progress the game in those.  I felt like she was significantly more involved in relevant matters here as of half-way through D1.  But I haven't really studied her since then beyond reading her posts as I follow along.  She is the player I am least informed on by far, and my job (maybe my only job) today is to fix that.  The fact that Zander hit her hard means absolutely nothing about her alignment unless she's Godfather, and even then it might mean nothing.  Measure her by her own actions, not by how outed scum treated her.

 

Laine is town.  Don't even waste your time looking at her.  Her previous scum games were night and day different from the game she has had here. 

alannalynn Spam Master

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[unvote] I'll give you time Shad. I don't 100% believe Nolder is scum anyways

 

This is frustrating. And I need to be at school in the morning and work tomorrow night so I wont be around much in the next day, but I'll definitely be here Saturday morning in RT. For now I absolutely need to go to bed

Nolder Spam Master

Nolder

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God this is so screwed.

I need to convince 4 of you to vote Celeste and....

 

One of you is Celeste.

One of you is Shad.

One of you has sworn up and down since page 8 that Celeste is town because she's scummy (hi Wish).

One of you is so fed up with me/this game you're using a random number generator to decide what to do.

One of you seems to be voting out of self preservation.

 

I don't know how I can possibly turn this around.

I feel like everyone is a lost cause here.

Shad_ Spam Master

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Nolder, did you read everything in this game at least once over?

Yeah.

I'm sure I glazed over a few posts here and there but I never fell behind an entire page and didn't catch up.

 

 

I guess I don't understand why you would have thought me a good lynch candidate going into D2 if you were actually informed on the course of events prior.  How did you reconcile your initial read on me with my treatment of Zander?

How does anyone reconcile such things? They shrug and say it's WIFOM and focus on more substantial concerns.

 

 

Wait.

 

WIFOM?

 

Then why did you drop your case on Pizza before he claimed the vig shot?

 

Or try this: briefly summarize (no rereading needed) how you recall my posts irt Zander on D1 and N1.

Nolder Spam Master

Nolder

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Like even if in some alternate universe I could convince Alanna or Cass...I can't convince the other.

I just don't believe it. And Wish and Celeste are BFFs and I sincerely believe that's getting in the way and there's no way to break through that even on my best day.

 

UUUGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

alannalynn Spam Master

alannalynn

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One of you is so fed up with me/this game you're using a random number generator to decide what to do.

LOL #me

 

fwiw, I wasn't serious.

 

If I decide to vote you, I'll write a beautiful case and even Shad will follow me. It'll be glorious.

 

But you have to wait until tomorrow

 

Or the next day

 

Maybe next Friday, idk

Shad_ Spam Master

Shad_

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[unvote] I'll give you time Shad. I don't 100% believe Nolder is scum anyways

 

This is frustrating. And I need to be at school in the morning and work tomorrow night so I wont be around much in the next day, but I'll definitely be here Saturday morning in RT. For now I absolutely need to go to bed

Every other time Nolder posts I backpeddle on my read and repeat the whole process of assessing him all over again.  -_-

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