[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Askthepizzaguy]

We can't just slack at this point. We have me/pral/nolder who are confusing the masses. If my flip is necessary to lynch the last two scum who are also confusing to others than do it. I don't want to be a hindrance anymore if it helps town win.

 

Good god, I wish people would stop saying this kind of stuff.

[Pralaya]

Okay sorry for my absence today. I ended up actually being productive. Dentist, school supplies, school books, cleaned my stupid room, ACTUALLY DID HOMEWORK OMG. So here I am now, will probably only be around for an hour or so though because I have to wake up in 6 hours.

 

Reminder to look at Zander's teammate placement for minority town. I think this is all of his scum games:

Diablo link; QT link

Tarmon Gai'don

Matrix

Belichick

TUS

 

Does anybody have Csarmi's scum games?

 

 

Let me look into Zander's games. 

 

You won't get much from csarmi's scum games. I don't remember which but either he is extremely disinterested or wanting to quit when he is scum. Just like he was in here. 

[Shad_]

fwiw she laid out all of his reads lists in a later post Pral.  No need to dig for them.

[Celeste]

 

We can't just slack at this point. We have me/pral/nolder who are confusing the masses. If my flip is necessary to lynch the last two scum who are also confusing to others than do it. I don't want to be a hindrance anymore if it helps town win.

 

 

Good god, I wish people would stop saying this kind of stuff.

Then what do you have? I don't defend myself well, I'm in PoE, and it's getting close to end game. I'm just giving solutions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Kaylee (dead townie), Celeste, Pralaya, and everyone else who has this attitude:

 

The order of the lynches matter.

 

If we lynch a scum in the POE today, then sometimes other people in the POE look townie, and/or never get lynched, and/or the game is over with a town victory.

 

Saying things like "I'm town, but you guys should just lynch me and get it over with" is bad, especially when there's a few other people saying that same stuff.

 

Because if we lynch you, and someone else, and you're townies, now we've also lost a couple of cleared people.

 

Now the lynch is being decided by fewer people we can trust, and time has passed, and it gives any wolves who were in the POE a chance to wiggle out of it by acting townier than you.

 

It's death to the village team when villagers roll over and go, welp, you caught me, I look scummy but I'm a villager. You should just execute me.

 

It's bad. Always.

 

You're never caught when you're a villager. It's never over. You can be at lynch-1 with an hour left to go, and change my mind.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Being POE as town does not mean you will always get lynched.

 

Sometimes we notice someone like Cass who I'm willing to go after for deep wolfing reasons.

 

Nothing is inevitable. Stop being so surrendery and defeatist.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm already dealing with you guys won't listen to be anyway why bother Nolder.

 

Hearing better just lynch me guys villagers just ticks me off, I'm sorry.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm also sorry I'm feeling annoyed, but I am. It's just how it is.

 

Focus on lynching wolves. Ignore these distractions.

[Celeste]

I'm also sorry I'm feeling annoyed, but I am. It's just how it is.

 

Focus on lynching wolves. Ignore these distractions.

Who I'm pretty certain are Pral/Nolder

[Pralaya]

This is going to be just like the Kaylee lynch. We were clearly going to vote Pral it seemed like than for some odd reason it switched to Kaylee. Pral hasn't even reconsider who the scum are it seems like.

 

Fearmongering

Misrep

Nudge

 

:)

 

TWTBAW?

[Nolder]

I blame you for the current confusion Nomi.

Should have just lynched Pral.

Don't want to beat a dead horse but I think it needed saying again.

Probably your biggest mistake in the past several games imo.

[Shad_]

Says a guy who thinks Pral is town.

 

Every time I convince myself I don't want to lynch you, you make it a battle again.

[Pralaya]

fwiw she laid out all of his reads lists in a later post Pral.  No need to dig for them.

 

Ýep, saw that on my read through now. Thanks Alanna   

 

Confirms what I was thinking.

 

Zander mixes it up but at the same time he likes to distribute his reads. It could be town-null or town-scum etc. In this case, csarmi wasn't exactly playing - so he had no choice but to put him in null. The other wolf, based on my other reads, is in shad/cass/nolder or celeste. I have townish leaning reads on Shad and Nolder and as I said yesterday, wolfish read on Cass.

 

So, that is where I am - cass/celeste

[Shad_]

Cassssssssssssssssss I want to go to bed. 

[Pralaya]

I blame you for the current confusion Nomi.

Should have just lynched Pral.

Don't want to beat a dead horse but I think it needed saying again.

Probably your biggest mistake in the past several games imo.

 

Well, in a way, yeah. But, I guess, then the lynch would have been Kaylee today in that case. Same situation

[Nolder]

Says a guy who thinks Pral is town.

 

Every time I convince myself I don't want to lynch you, you make it a battle again.

Says the wolf.

 

To be fair I don't really know why most people feel town towards me.

I know I am but I don't think I've signaled it very well this game.

Did you ever explain why you're townreading me?

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

I have a question for all of you

 

You are on the side of a road walking down the sidewalk.

You have a gun with 1 bullet in it.

Two people are walking towards you.

The one on your left has a baseball bat the other is wearing a cowboy hat.

Who do you shoot?

Umm what does this prove Nolder? Seems like pointless WIFOM.

 

 

Uhhh, Penny? Your Tone has changed :P

 

Last game Penny asked random entry question thing like this herself when Town.

 

I have no problem her questioning Nolder/stating it seems like WIFOM.

 

The Umm is unnecessary to the question and a change in style/tone from last game.

 

 

 

Changed in a positive or negative way Cass?

 

 

Negative from where I'm up to, starting with that Umm (as nothing as that seems/could be). Last I saw she was in a huff about people questioning the timing of her unvote and congratulating them on picking her for a mislynch. I have played twice with TownPenny, pushed her ridiculously and voted her for what I thought was lock-scum contradictory logic and she never lost her cool.

 

 

Just noticed, this is extremely contradictory to Wish's explanation of town!Celeste.  Doesn't make it false--if Celeste happened to keep it cool as town in those two particular games--but I wonder if the two of them get to talking about it.

 

Celeste, do you happen to know which games she's talking about and can confirm/deny Cass's statement?

[Cass]

 

What I find interesting today is that I put him at a second vote with the intent of pressuring him, Pizza put him at L-2 while explicitly stating that he thinks he's town, and some players were just like "yeah I'm cool with that, we can lynch him today."

 

The popcorn consent after Pizza is incredibly lazy town, if it's town at all.

 

It looks the worst for Cass imo.

 

?

 

My comment about Nol/Pral looking good for today isn't definite, it's off the top of my head and my vote will be dependent on ISOs and comparison with as many of the players left as I can manage.

 

Those two have seemed suspicious/been top of my PoE for most of the game so it really isn't that strange. I gave my opinions on Pral's ISO yesterday, still need to re-look at Nol/compare. Celeste is next, then tinfoil on the other players I've been most convinced are Town.

 

Note I say 'most convinced'. Popcorn consent always bothers me, I have a tiered list but noone's exempt from my suspicion/locked in blue.

[Shad_]

 

Says a guy who thinks Pral is town.

 

Every time I convince myself I don't want to lynch you, you make it a battle again.

Says the wolf.

 

To be fair I don't really know why most people feel town towards me.

I know I am but I don't think I've signaled it very well this game.

Did you ever explain why you're townreading me?

 

 

I'm townreading you because you have a unique thought process as town that I've been consistently picking up on in this game and that I think you struggle to replicate as scum.

 

I'm waffling because I only have three games to base this distinction on and you're offering absolutely nothing to show that you've been honest about your reads.

 

For instance, you claim to have ISO'd me but still won't say why you think I'm scum.  This has gone on for days now.  Are you doing that weird town!Nolder thing or are you silent because you're scum and didn't actually ISO me and don't really care enough to be bothered doing it now when you can just replicate doing that weird town!Nolder thing instead?

 

You kind of make me want to pull my hair out of my head.

[Shad_]

Cass is heeeeeeeeere!

[Cass]

Also, apparently this hyper-paranoia is one of my worst Town traits, and 'fear everyone' is more useful/convenient for scum. Just a thought.

 

Dinner with family now. Will keep catching up as I can.

[Shad_]

 

 

What I find interesting today is that I put him at a second vote with the intent of pressuring him, Pizza put him at L-2 while explicitly stating that he thinks he's town, and some players were just like "yeah I'm cool with that, we can lynch him today."

 

The popcorn consent after Pizza is incredibly lazy town, if it's town at all.

 

It looks the worst for Cass imo.

?

 

My comment about Nol/Pral looking good for today isn't definite, it's off the top of my head and my vote will be dependent on ISOs and comparison with as many of the players left as I can manage.

 

Those two have seemed suspicious/been top of my PoE for most of the game so it really isn't that strange. I gave my opinions on Pral's ISO yesterday, still need to re-look at Nol/compare. Celeste is next, then tinfoil on the other players I've been most convinced are Town.

 

Note I say 'most convinced'. Popcorn consent always bothers me, I have a tiered list but noone's exempt from my suspicion/locked in blue.

 

 

What had you close to locking Nolder into your town core at one point?

[Shad_]

Also, apparently this hyper-paranoia is one of my worst Town traits, and 'fear everyone' is more useful/convenient for scum. Just a thought.

 

Dinner with family now. Will keep catching up as I can.

 

You're...... leaving me again. 

[Shad_]

Cass, I don't mean to be a pain in your butt, but I need you to converse with me in real time in the near future.

[Nolder]

 

 

Says a guy who thinks Pral is town.

 

Every time I convince myself I don't want to lynch you, you make it a battle again.

Says the wolf.

 

To be fair I don't really know why most people feel town towards me.

I know I am but I don't think I've signaled it very well this game.

Did you ever explain why you're townreading me?

 

 

I'm townreading you because you have a unique thought process as town that I've been consistently picking up on in this game and that I think you struggle to replicate as scum.

 

I'm waffling because I only have three games to base this distinction on and you're offering absolutely nothing to show that you've been honest about your reads.

 

For instance, you claim to have ISO'd me but still won't say why you think I'm scum.  This has gone on for days now.  Are you doing that weird town!Nolder thing or are you silent because you're scum and didn't actually ISO me and don't really care enough to be bothered doing it now when you can just replicate doing that weird town!Nolder thing instead?

 

You kind of make me want to pull my hair out of my head.

 

I started an ISO. I never finished it.

I figured I'd just do it later when it mattered.

Would you rather do 7 pages of Celeste ISO or 21 pages of Shad ISO?

Especially if you knew there was no chance of Shad being lynched earlier than D4?

Sorry but doing the whole thing is a daunting project and I'd rather put it off as long as humanly possible.

 

Like I said before maybe I'm wrong and Pral is mafia.

Or maybe there's only 3 mafia and Celeste is the last one.

I don't want to drive myself crazy reading 21 pages of you (no offense) when I don't have to.