[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Lenlo]

 

So far vote for myself, for Leno (which I'm sure will now disappear), and for Celeste.

I know it's not me. Pral and Celeste are highest on my list.

I'll Pral

Taking Lenlo off my WTL. I disagree with his conclusion on Cass.

  

 

So far vote for myself, for Leno (which I'm sure will now disappear), and for Celeste.

I know it's not me. Pral and Celeste are highest on my list.

I'll Pral

Taking Lenlo off my WTL. I disagree with his conclusion on Cass.

Will not.

 

 

Will not what? And specifically, why?

You've claimed and are effectively of the table, Zander isn't posting 100000000000000 parts a day so you should have energy/motivation/reason left to explain - why are you being so closed?

 

Did you read the post? Let me quote it for you "So far vote for myself, for Leno (which I'm sure will now disappear),". Thats what I meant by will not. Pretty obv if you read the post.

 

 

 

 

I viewed Zander last night, because EOD had me floating on him. Wanted to confirm that slot.

In what world does a cop claim here?

I don't get it.

 

Lenlo you wanna explain yourself?

And please make it good I'm tired of my reads making idiots of me this game. >_>

The world where Pizzas gonna go ham on me and I dont have the energy or will to go back and pull things to fight it.

  

My main hope was to save a mislynch. With 2 goons dead the only ones left are a godfather, guaranteed, and maybe a RB. My power doesnt do much against those.

 

Theres also the fact that atleast now they have to burn a NK on me, rather than on say Pizza or Shad, two hard working townies who are solving this game.

1. What? whose mislynch?

Zander's ? Weren't you suspecting/doubting him yourself?

What? Save my mislynch. If my claim stops me from getting mislynched, that means town lynchs someone else. If town lynchs someone else, than theres a chance town lynchs scum. Thats what I meant by mislynch. Again, its pretty obv.

 

[Cass]

Cass, it's amazing to me that you're the third lowest poster in this game.

 

I feel like you've been way more involved than half of the people above you.

 

Pretty awesome game if you're town.  Cheers.

I think that's because you've been paying a lot of attention to what I post...

 

If you've read my other games that shouldn't surprise you at all though. I'm never a high poster... The amount I've managed to post here so far is probably more than ever before lol.

 

But thanks, and I appreciate the effort you've put into figuring me out if you're Town, if you're Scum at end game I'm buying you a beer. Regardless of your alignment I <3 your work. Where's your pocket?

 

:D

[Cass]

I'm leaving it here til tonight when guests will be gone and kids in bed. Onward to the next visit!

 

Holidays are exhausting :/

[Kaylee]

 

 

 

 

So far vote for myself, for Leno (which I'm sure will now disappear), and for Celeste.

I know it's not me. Pral and Celeste are highest on my list.

I'll Pral

Taking Lenlo off my WTL. I disagree with his conclusion on Cass.

Will not.

Also what conclusion on Cass?

Pral concluded that Cass is likely scum. I disagree.

This scares me. :p

Can you explain why ?

I have. But since toy missed it, your placement and conclusion on the Csarmi train and your progression/interactions with Zander I thought you looked good.

 

So unless a deep wolf thinking yow town.

[alannalynn]

I should have a lot more to read on my lunch break, guys

[Shad_]

The thing is I don't see the same tone against Cass as he had with wish. So, I don't know how Shad is trying to say that Zander's posts spew Cass as town.

 

I agree with your comment on Wish, and while we all know Zander likes to bus, he does it with the goal of winning games, and he has the experience to know what that means.  Consider:

 

Zander's first bus game, relied exclusively on gut, provided no case, managed to get his partner lynched when she was town telling like crazy and had a lot of us pocketed.  It bought him a pass for a while.  Towns kept dying.  Wait a second, how did Zander really know Talya was scum when all of Shad/Verbal/AJ/BFG were oblivious to it at the time?  TMI, gets lynched, town wins.

 

Zander's second bus game, relies entirely on a case because 'gut' was TMI last time, crafts a really solid one because it's a lot easier to point out scummy things when you know someone is scum lolololol.  Holds off the actual lynch for two days by playing up the tunnel vision, because tunnel vision can make towns fail to take notice of the actual quality of the case.  Lenlo finally gets lynched, people review Zander's case and realize it was spot on all along, lock him in as town, scum wins.

 

Diablo: Zander cases a town.  Has a few good reasons and some pretty bad ones.  The push backfires (and he gets peeked), gets lynched instead of his target.

 

This game: Zander cases someone.  Has a few good reasons a lot of pretty bad ones.  The push backfires (and he gets peeked,) gets lynched instead of his target.

 

Yeah, Wish probably town.  Would be a pretty clever and yet stupidly high-risk self-sacrifice otherwise, as either 1) town follows his lead and lynches her, then lynches him after she flips scum anyway because it was super TMI and Zander has a history, or 2) he gets outed for the case D2 or D3, still can't ensure Wish doesn't get vigged by someone who believes him beforehand, still can't ensure she isn't lynched at 3-player lylo because town is telling too hard or has confirmed PRs still living.

 

But Pral, couldn't the difference in tone be a simple consequence of Zander not (in what, the first 20 pages?) making Cass his committed lynch push?  I can understand if you don't agree with my theory that Zander spewed Cass town, but what does his case on Wish have to do with it?

[Shad_]

Kaylee, who is "toy"? 

[wish-tree]

Hi, on mobile, will respond to Cass posts tomorrow irt my questioning, also would like conversations about Shad regarding the different tone he sees between Zander/Cass and Zander/me.

[Shad_]

/wave

 

Did you have a particular question for me?

[wish-tree]

Confused about whether that was your argument or Cass's. Quotes all blend together on Tapatalk. I'll just read it tomorrow.

[Shad_]

As scum I would've had a solid scum read on a townie and pushed as hard as I could. I likely would've gone along with Zander and voted Wish. As scum I don't like to come across as too wishy washy.

 

Actually did: wishy washy. Swayed a lot by others. Only found townies I could trust. Bad D1.

To be honest, it was your extremely wishy-wash "I'm completely stumped at this point" attitude towards the end of Frozen that had me concerned about you D1.

 

But I recognize D1 and end-game are very different environments.

[Shad_]

Confused about whether that was your argument or Cass's. Quotes all blend together on Tapatalk. I'll just read it tomorrow.

 

tl;dr: Pralaya and I disagree on the implications of Zander's early conversation with Cass.  He brought Zander's case on you into the picture to support his argument.  I don't understand how it supports his argument and await further replies from him.

[Shad_]

Kaylee isn't in my inner town circle yet, but I've liked her posts a lot more this phase so far.  Seems far more opinionated and thoughtful.  Trending up.

[Shad_]

Haven't actually looked at her interactions with Zander yet.

[Shad_]

Nope, got the context confused.

 

Csarmi got town-read by Nolder.

 

And Zander got town read by a lot of people except Shad. The original post was correct. Thought I saw a mistake.

 

I did town read Csarmi though.  /shrug

[Shad_]

Thought on Laine

 

Early in the game I expressed doubts about her.  If Zander discredited them, means nothing, but if he suggested I might be on to something that's another clearing point for her.  Z isn't going to encourage suspicion of scum mate Laine early when he has massive excuse by way of precedent to blow off my concerns.  Something for me to check.

[Shad_]

Pizza, as town do you privately consider who might be town power roles?

 

Simple yes/sorta/no question.  Not looking for a detailed response.

[Shad_]

682 about 262 Cass "Complete mind-melding with Lenlo on this post. @ZANDER THIS DOESN'T MEAN I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. It means I'm still trying to figure your alignment out." "Zander. The more I read of you, the more it's like looking into a mirror of my mind \m/ . Your 'pinged gut feel' is wrong. I'm legit me here, I'll figure you out!" <----The way Cass is shouting at Zander here feels realistic to me, for her anyway.

I noted this too the other day.  At some point in Zander's first scum game I remember saying something to the effect of "Dude, chill, I don't think you're scum.  Doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the possibility."  It's a response that his defensiveness as scum naturally draws out of people who aren't used to seeing it yet.

[Shad_]

Awesome.

 

Still waiting for Shad's thoughts on this, but for now this claim puts you in the same category as Turin.

 

@Pizza: thoughts? reactions?

We're not lynching Lenlo.

[Shad_]

Gun to head I'm going to say Pral is town.

I wish there was more content to work with but sometimes gotta make tough call.

 

Ok who's next?

Shad how about you. Ok let's go.

Ok.

 

Talk to me.  What are your concerns? 

[Shad_]

Pizza, I've never been good deciding who to use PRs on. It's not something I ever learned. Also still don't see how Z was the Obv vig target tonight, but whatever. You seem to be continuing on the assumption that I'm still scum and your simply lookin for my teammate. That's a horrible way to go about things.

 

If I survived the night, Zander was dying today, period.  But we're still not lynching you.

[Shad_]

Turin's ISO leaves me unimpressed, he was pocketed by Zander big time. Shad was in his WTL a lot but I think he is slight town now. Kind of makes me think hypothetically what would a deep wolfing Shad look like? I felt like his points were wish washy in a way with his tunneling too.

 

Curious, what were you hoping to gain from ISOing a low-content dead towny who was night killed for a very obvious reason?

[Shad_]

Going to bed, didn't get to really touch my reread but two more nights to work on that, want to continue chatting with Pral and see what Nolder has to say.

[Shad_]

ugh

[Shad_]

Wish, thoughts on Celeste aorn please.