[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[Lenlo]

Yeah AJ reminded me. I thought someone had the right of you that game though. Was it Yates?

[Zander?]

Yeah AJ reminded me. I thought someone had the right of you that game though. Was it Yates?

 

Yes and he peeked me N1....kinda hard to fight through that....lolololololol

[Lenlo]

Yeah, but D1 he had you pegged before the peek, didn't he?

[Zander?]

Yeah, but D1 he had you pegged before the peek, didn't he?

 

Yes he did.

[Zander?]

im not gonna be awake for EOD so im going to 

 

 

Vote Snow

 

somethings bugging me but i dont know what it is or if its just i dont like that style of entrance cause it has bugged me every time he has done it

 

Yet you asked Tab why she shouldnt be lynched and you vote John for doing something you said he normally does?

[dicetosser1]

zander  i also said at one poiunt that i wanted snow to come convince me. He didnt. he showed up said nothing and left

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

You also have yet to address the NotBob situation with calling what you are doing Null, instead deciding to go after someone else.

Wait, what? I don't understand what you mean by this.

 

You have yet to address how NotBob handled Pizzas case against you. Instead you decided to spend your time going after someone else. That would be me, btw.

 

Tab what about that post/what I have done bothered you?

 

Yeah Dice gets into the rules regardless of alignment I think. In the last game with Yates though, I think Yates wrote alot about what Dice does as town/scum. Could try reading up on that?

 

 

It was just something that stood out, as I was reading it all in order. Why not wait for AJ to give his thoughts, instead of feeding him an answer to just agree with?

 

 

@ Tab    so what do you want?  Ive already said im reading AJ town, Ive interacted with Pizza re him Nolder and NB  Ive gone back and forth with Snow    and that one isnt JUST about ettiquette. If you read it you should see that it started because of conversation about voting people because they were posting elsewhere. You wanna vote someone? make a case. Hell even just agree with Pizza who already made a case. Even just say I want to vote so and so cause i want to but take some ownership of why ure doing it.

 

 

 

So now YOU tell me. Why shouldnt we lynch you? What are your thoughts on Pizza? or Len?

 

This! There are about two people I've started to feel like I can get a read one, and you were one of them, which is why I wanted more.

 

I gave some thoughts on Pizza and Len already - I feel good about Pizza (can we call you Nomi?), I like how he's putting it all out there, engaging people, and pushing people. So far, I lean town.

 

For Lenlo, I'm not sure. His back and forth with AJ felt weird, but I want to finish catching up in the thread first and look through his posts again. His suggestion of help to me at the end of the post quoted above does make me feel better about him.

 

 

It's actually taken me all day to catch up with the whole thread, and I still feel like I have very few notes.

 

I feel quite good about Pizza, though I don't really have much meta to go on there. I only played with you once in Mafia, but I don't think I can trust that meta as you were trying to disguise yourself (if your usual post style is like this, long and detailed, then it could have been quite the give away).

It should be noted, I wasn't trying to disguise my thoughts or my style of play, I merely tried to use a different account name to avoid a personal conflict between myself and another member.

 

It ended up being prophylactic, but not necessary, and caused more drama than it was ever worth, trying to avoid non-game-related drama.

 

All my thoughts and posts were in the same style as before. You'll note I was very open that game, and that some persons such as Cory and Zander figured out who I was anyway, mostly because I wasn't trying to hide me at all, just the name.

 

Not relevant but relevant. Kinda

 

 

Thanks :)

 

 

Thats it?

 

 

how about thoughts on nolder? NB? AJ? Thane? Laine?

 

something other then the obvious?

 

 

Another push at Tab will still staying on John Snow.  More just me noting it then anything else atp.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

Your question is predicated on the idea that I caught him in an out and out lie. I never said that nor did I mean to imply it if that's what you got. I said he was distorting the issue.

Simple fact. You sir are the one who's trying to distort the situation.

The second quote is what I specifically highlighted and asked you about. If you simply worded it poorly, I don't know why you couldn't have just come out and said so in the first place.

 

First of all I didn't word it poorly I said what I said and I meant it.

Secondly you were asking me for a "follow through" or whatever.

I don't know what that means nor do I know what you're looking for.

You are the one who could be clearer here imo.

 

Saying that someone is intentionally misinforming and saying that someone is lying mean the same thing. I can't believe I am actually having this conversation again.

 

The 'follow through' question was an out. You did something that struck me as pretty blatantly contradictory: you called Pizza out for intentionally misrepping something, then said you hadn't made up your mind on him yet. This means that either 1) the accusation was a reaction test, 2) you thought he might be town intentionally lying, or else 3) you are not thinking through what you're saying at all. The first two are significantly more likely to stem from a town state of mind than the third.

 

I went down the line without telling you what a 'townie' response would look like in my mind ahead of time. I treated it as a test, and that confused you. Check. I asked what made you think he might be town intentionally lying. You refused to answer for a while and then said you never thought that. Check. So you are either scum or a highly razzled town prone to losing focus any time you're under pressure.

 

 

 

 

red  wanna try this again? the third one is MUCH more likely to come from a town head. Mafia need to think cause they need to not get caught. Town dont care. this is twice youve said what a town does and been wrong this game.

 

ure worrying me and have dropped in my reads.

 

Nolder is awesome. It's such a shame he's mafia this time.

 

Vote: Nolder

 

 

What made you choose Nolder here.  It seems like a joke vote but then you proceeded to build your case on him.  Seems strange to me.

 

 

I can't recall ever seeing Dice be a townie. But then again I am probably forgetting one game.

 

This game, I think Dice is pretty solidly townie. It's in his tone and sense of humor. I sense something good here.

 

 

This post is also very strange.  Can't quite put my finger on it.....

 

 

@pizza   that first Darthe game of ures? Pretty sure I was town.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Humor me please?

AJ took Nolder out of the picture by ensuring Tab would have four votes if Snow doesn't go down. I'm torn between Nolder and Snow but I would lynch either of them over Tab, so Snow it is.

 

 

 

So in theory if I switched to Nolder you'd vote there?

 

No. In reality I have no clue who I want to lynch but AJ made the decision easy for me.

 

You put snow on the same level as Nolder, but you wouldnt vote Nolder? Whats with that Shad?

 

 

AJ said he'd switch to Tab if Snow's lynch wasn't going through.  Off the top of my head, that would have made a Nolder vote from me result in 4 on Tab, 3 on Nolder, 2 on Snow, without any obvious sign that others would show up to vote before deadline.  So I committed to my reads and took the path that would get someone in my scum pile lynched rather than Tab.  /shrug

 

You did ask me later whether I'd be willing to switch to Nolder.  IIRC it was less than 10 minutes before deadline and I was just trying to get reactions out of people at that point.

 

 

red    yet me and zander were both in the thread and posting at the time so the potential for swaps was there

 

 

 

 

The other half are players not actually in the game. Which I agree with you on, btw. That'll be confusing/distracting for a bit

 

But I kept my top on and everything... :/

 

 

Dont do that!!!

 

 

 

The other half are players not actually in the game. Which I agree with you on, btw. That'll be confusing/distracting for a bit

 

But I kept my top on and everything... :/

 

 

Why...? 

 

 

this!

 

I get where you're coming from with your thinking, Laine (as I'm told you prefer to be called by, sez Sooh)

 

I can give you my reactions to John Snow's posts as I re-read them.

 

 

 

 

My impression is that he wants to get this game started and is clearly very uncomfortable (in a good way) with the lack of content and lack of seriousness or anything to sink his teeth into so far, which is a feeling that is not often faked by scum in my experience, and a feeling commonly felt by certain personalities such as my own particularly when a day 1 hasn't gotten really rolling yet. That feeling is a large part of why John Snow is a townie for me.

 

Next, although generically, the vote with someone he was just voting for, without really clearing that person, would be suspicious to me, the specific situation rolls differently down that continental divide and ends up in a different ocean for me (pardon the elaborate metaphor).

 

This doesn't feel like that in this circumstance. In that circumstance Lenlo was basically the only other active person around, and he clearly wants to break out of the doldrums of day one. This is an active player uncomfortable with inactivity, lack of thread presence and discussion, and wants to get the ball rolling.

 

My reaction to his Zander push:

 

 

Is John Snow a lock to be town? No. But I don't agree with the conclusions you've reached, Laine, on John, and I am pretty solid on that stance unless something substantial changes things.

 

I think your thought process on him is fair enough, I just have specific reasons why I don't think it leans that way. I think my findings on John are more solid than your points against.

 

Red   as I stated to AJ JS has had this sort of start to every game i can think of him in since he came back   what?? 6mths ago? In fact they feel so similar i think they are planned.

 

Blue   Snow can be active but he can also suddenly disappear for days. Think your jumping to some conclusions off a too limited sample.

 

Johns start bugs me. It gives me bad vibes but it does that every game he does it. theres just something about it. If I had to vote right now it would be him but its all just a feel no reasons.

 

 

I can discount the reasons you're giving for his non-activity, based on his activity elsewhere on the forum.

 

So no, I was thorough. He's avoiding the game and not hunting because he's choosing to, not because of RL.

 

:)

 

I don't want to blindside a guy who was busy in the first 20 hours of the day with such a charge. Suffice to say, that particular reason why I could be wrong is not valid. Very not valid.

 

straight up. I HATE this reasoning. By ANYONE. its BS. Sometimes you have nothing to say in the game so you just dont. Some of us have duties to carry out elsewhere on the site. this is a game we play. those duties are something we signed up for sometimes on a longterm basis.

 

If you wanna go after nolder fine but use mafia game related arguments not out of game bs plz

 

 

 

 

I like that Dice brought this up as well.  I'm going to follow this as I see what Dice has to say about John going forward.

 

 

I cant figure out which bit of this you like cause theres a couple coloured. Clue me in?

 

 

 

 

Confusing the generic with the specific.

 

That's another tactic I recognize as scummy.

 

You're picking at my finding NotBob suspicious because of his position on you, which I had as strongly scummy and his was "null", as opposed to finding NotBob suspicious because of his position on AJ, which I had as mildly suspicious and his was "null".

 

It's obvious why one would be more concerned about the stronger disagreement, and the pressure on NotBob exists.

 

So to claim that it's an example of inconsistency, is wrong and scummy. It's distortion at best.

 

Behaving like the last game you were in where you were total scum, and wildly differently from the last game I could find where you were townie, that's a legit problem.

 

The kinds of consistency arguments I find scummy are the former, not the latter.

 

And it should be obvious why. It's not a mistake that you're confusing the two examples. That's deliberate on your part, and it's a scummy argument.

I'm picking on your position on Notbob because it's crap.

 

Again, you're creating a false dichotomy where the results are both favorable to your argument.

There is another possibility that you aren't allowing into the discussion with regards to Notbob.

 

That aside though, what you're saying here is true so I don't get why you think using it as a defense is a good idea.

You find Notbob suspicious because of his position that's in disagreement with you on me but not where he's in disagreement with you on AJ.

I don't see why it would make any difference whether you find me a lot scummy and AJ a little scummy because the subject of the discussion here is Notbob and why you're reading him the way you do.

 

Claiming it as inconsistency is not wrong nor is it distortion and you can think what you want about being scummy or not but usually when someone is right that's not scummy so I don't know where you're trying to go with that other than trying to call me scum as many times as you can and hope it sticks in the minds of others. It is inconsistent to be suspicious of Notbob for disagreeing with you on one person and not another. Simple fact. You sir are the one who's trying to distort the situation.

 

 

I hate to be Captain Obvious here but it could just be that he feels like he has a better read on you then he does with AJ.

 

 

Someone else needs to read zander for me.

 

His tone is bugging me again but im kinda having to look at him thru nice eyes atm so I cant be really sure

\

 

 

@pizza    i assume thats at me?  I will take as long as I take to get a read on you. You are tricksy so i will be careful

 

 

Has your read/thoughts on me changed Dice?

 

 

Zander is Town

 

 

@ Tab    so what do you want?  Ive already said im reading AJ town, Ive interacted with Pizza re him Nolder and NB  Ive gone back and forth with Snow    and that one isnt JUST about ettiquette. If you read it you should see that it started because of conversation about voting people because they were posting elsewhere. You wanna vote someone? make a case. Hell even just agree with Pizza who already made a case. Even just say I want to vote so and so cause i want to but take some ownership of why ure doing it.

 

 

 

So now YOU tell me. Why shouldnt we lynch you? What are your thoughts on Pizza? or Len?

 

Hmmmmm....good question......I'm wondering why Dice didn't stick with this EoD.  But again I gotta look at what he built up to for his final vote.

 

 

answered this the post before this

[dicetosser1]

btw zander  if ure looking at me for NOT voting tab? remember to consider I said I would if needed and that my lynch list for today is nolder and tab atp

[Zander?]

Also as of p12 Lenlo strongest town read.  If you're fooling me grats dude.

 

Way too early for that type of comment from you imo.

 

 

 

 

 

I try to post things as they come to mind as I am reading, because its worked better than what I did before. I am of course still learning how to do this whole trying to win thing well though.

 

In this instance I am Null on Thane though, cause I just cant remember what he has done. I know he has posted but none of it really sticks out enough to remember. I suppose that isnt a really a good thing now that I think about it...

 

Lenlo

AJ

Pizza

Dice

BFG

Laine Shad

Taborline

Lord Commander

NotBob

Thane

Zander

Nolder

 

Who is Lord Commander? Also the nulls are ordered. Everything else isnt.

 

 

I know this prolly just stupid to mention but my god I hate it when people include themselves in their read lists.

 

Most people do it, so deal.

 

AJ, I would also be up for Zander and I wouldnt fight a NotBob one. I dont see JS as scum and Pizza has yet to give me a case on Thane.

 

 

I'm just the opposite.  Zander in my town pile.  JS could go either way...Thane very reticent in his posts...I may go that way.

 

 

NotBob can you explain your read on me atp?

 

 

Alanna/Shad-  Was reading Alanna Town early on and Shad's done nothing to convince me otherwise.

Lenlo-  Other then the bit of a misrep on me I feel pretty good on Lenlo. He's posting his thoughts much more clearly.  He's into and involved in the thread.  He backing off when good points are made and willing to re adjust his reads which he didnt do in Matrix as Scum.

 

BFG- Only thing really keeping me from putting her higher is that though shes into it and on the ball I'm not seeing the big WoT analysis posts that I've come to expect from her.  Something worth keeping my eye on.

Dice-  Hasnt done anything to scream scum at me and has made some Town!Dice type posts.  Dice will become easier for me to read as the game progresses.

AJ-  Hasn't done anything really to ping me but I don't feel like Town Captain AJ has been put into effect yet.

 

Pizza- He's been playing pretty clean thus far.  Need to look into him more with the large amount of WoT posts,  My only concern really is his skill level and with no one here myself included has a lot of Meta to work off if,

 

NotBob- Gotta re read him and get some feedback for him as I have a hard time reading him.

John Snow- Same as Not Bob.  Did feel his back and forth vote with Lenlo on me was off.  And I think Len's town so...it may not be that either HAS to be scum but it stood out to me.

 

Thane-  Only reason I'm not MORE concerned with Thane's lack of posting/involvement which is a Scum Tell of his, is the fact I KNOW he has RL reasons for not being active with not being able to post at work.

 

Nolder- Gut mostly,  He;s had a few things that have pinged me thus far,  I've touched on some.  Wanna try and ISO as well.

Tab- I've already explained.

 

 

I can tell you there prolly gonna be some changes on this list....lolololololol

[Zander?]

btw zander  if ure looking at me for NOT voting tab? remember to consider I said I would if needed and that my lynch list for today is nolder and tab atp

 

Its noted.  im just reading through and pointing out what I see.

 

 

 

About the Cluing you in question:  it was about John Snow disappearing for extended periods of time as Town like in British Mon.  I mentioned it as well.

[Shad_]

 

Dice

Zander

Lenlo

BFG

Pizza

NotBob

 

Making progress, I hope.

 

iyo if theres someone youre wrong about here who would you think it is? and if so why?  also if its me give me a 2nd choice as well.

 

 

NotBob is the weakest of those reads by a large margin, but I recognize that he's not someone I'm ever going to get a truly firm read of based on his content, and I have to make a leap of faith sooner or later or I would never rank him above null in any game.  Based on my earlier assessment and chat with him, I feel like he's being genuinely honest.  I wouldn't bank the game on it.

 

I doubt I'm wrong on the others.  Hesitance on Pizza is more of a general fear of what I think he's capable of; he strikes me on the surface as playing a pretty open pro-town game.  BFG dips a little in the "what have you done for me lately" category, but I felt like she's been thinking/questioning critically in the manner I expect out of her.  I knew she was scum D1 of US, so my lens was a bit tainted there, but as her team mate I felt like she was playing more on the surface without showing signs of attempting to understand everyone's thought process.  I considered scum reading her for it but meh D1 bussing.

 

I'll take BFG as my second choice to your question for the simple fact that I've invested the least amount of time into her.  I rather doubt based on what I remember that my read on her slot is going to change after an ISO though.

[Zander?]

@ Shad- How do you feel about BFG's EoD 1?

[Zander?]

BFG I love it when we're obv town together.

 

QFR

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Well I'm caught up to when I joined the game now...

 

YOU CAN DO ITTTTTTTT!!!!

 

 

I want to review the thread before casting my final vote.

I may put it back on Lenlo in the end.

 

why unvote if hes your top scum read though.  It looks like you know your case, point and reasoning were bad and are trying to draw yourself away from it.

 

It looks to me like you're putting words in my mouth because I don't believe any of those things to be the case.

 

 

WTH Nol??  You didnt unvote Len?  While saying he was your top scum read (hence why your vote was there) then saying you'd come back to possibly voting him after others weigh in??  Cause unless Im drunk (which im not) Im pretty sure that's exactly what happened.  How the hell am I putting words in your mouth by me giving MY opinion on what youre doing???!!!

 

Being outed as scum sucks doesnt brother.  it's ok if you tell us your teammates I'll go easier on you.

 

......Maybe

 

lololololololol

 

 

Quoting this because I dont remember if he answered this and I didnt want to forget it in case he did

[Lenlo]

@Zander I cant wait to see this new list of yours.

[Clovdyx]

Calder is wolfy and smug like that in real life too.

He's pretty much the smuggest person in the world.

Checking in?

[Shad_]

aaaaaaaaand Oliver deleted my reply to Zander....

[Zander?]

 

 

If Nolder is town, how do we turn him into a murder target instead of a lynch target?

 

Question is for everyone.

 

??????????????/

 

I know I didn't stutter, this is text.

 

I don't think he's going to start town-telling on his own. He's scum in the minds of a lot of people, if he's NOT, the best use for him this game is to absorb a murder.

 

Yes or no?

 

 

I subscribe my life to the KISS rule- Keep It Simple Stupid....lolololololololol

[Zander?]

 

I think there's too many variables for me to feel comfortable with this.  Like leaving a possible scum alive and possibly mislynching another townie for starters.  If the Seer out themselves to prove it then that sucks especially if the Scum team can't or haven't identified the Seer.  Im not the best on trying to figure and plan out these type of situations though.  It's just how I feel

Take a risk, live a little. I'll help you lynch Tabor.

 

And PS- the seer doesn't have to out themselves with the information on D2. They can simply know that he's town or scum, breadcrumb it subtly.

 

And if several townies breadcrumb the different results, mafia won't know where to hit.

 

Forces them to hunt for crumbs which might not even be there, because the seer can also not leave crumbs.

 

 

But you didnt though.....

[Zander?]

aaaaaaaaand Oliver deleted my reply to Zander....

 

Maybe he didn't wanna let you sketch me out anymore????

 

lololololololol

[Zander?]

 

AJ

Shad

 

NotBob

Pizza

BFG

 

Jon Snow

Taborline

Dice

 

Thane

 

Zander

Lenlo

 

Let's start at the top (note each category is in no order) which brings us to AJ. He's seemed pretty open about everything so far. From when he's going to be around to whether he agrees or disagrees. If there's one point against him I'd say that he's being a bit too friendly to everyone and I'd like to see some teeth but other than that I feel good about him.

 

Shad occupies the sport Alanna previously did. I liked Alanna's willingness to chart how she felt about people early without being asked and even though she wasn't here too much she did try to move the game along. Since Shad's gotten here he's taken the time to reread the thread and engage as much as possible. It may surprise people but imo a mafia replacing in often wont bother because they think they can get away with not knowing what's going on, at least for awhile. Especially towards end of deadline like Shad replaced into. So points in his favor.

 

Notbob hasn't hit any of my tells for him yet. Which isn't hard because he hasn't said too much but when he has talked imo it made sense. Not ready to put him in the blue pile yet but I have no problem leaning that way with him this early.

 

Nomi...well I'll be honest here I might have played with him maybe once on another site (maybe?) but this may as well be my first time playing with him so I don't have any meta to look back on here. We're in the same boat in that regard. My thought is that he's being taken in by his own narrative about what I'd do in one game compared to what I'd do in another game etc etc. Truth is people act different from game to game not just role to role. For example I think my last 3 or 4 games prior to this I got mafia all in a row which is why I took a few months break from mafia I was just getting exhausted playing the same role/team over and over. I have no doubt that my last game as mafia wasn't as good a performance as the first game. Anyway I'm taking a long time to simply say I think he's overestimating his ability to understand the way I act from game to game and I think a lot of people do this with everyone to some degree. THAT SAID, I do like that he came out guns blasting and tried to make something happen. I put him leaning town because of that but he's not blue because I'm worried about my ability to read him in the first place. Unlike some people I'd rather hedge my bets on people I've never played with before than think I'm reading them right on D1 of our first game together. :P

 

BFG stepped up from being obscure (to me at least) to the front of the game when called on. I asked her a series of questions and imo she had some pretty good answers for them. From that exchange alone I put her leaning town.

 

Ok now we're in the nulls. Jon Snow I just don't feel has said anything of note. He hasn't been really aggressive but he has been around so it's not like he's been missing. Dunno what it is I just don't have any impressions of him one way or the other yet.

 

Taborline has had almost no game related posts. Would lynch purely for activity reasons.

 

Dice I think is more my fault. I know he's said stuff and engaged and put opinions out there and whatnot but whenever I see his posts I just kind of gloss over them. Dunno why. The guy isn't boring or anything. I think depending on how EOD1 and N1 goes I'll need to buckle down and force myself to just do a Dice read but I don't think anyone has put him up as a lynch so there's no need to do it right now.

 

Thane...well there's not much to say. He hasn't said much and promised to be around more on D2. I put him leaning scum for one reason. I didn't like how when Nomi voted me the first time he jumped to my defense and called it wolfy (post #103). Just strikes me as extremely early to call out a bad vote. Or even a good vote. Any vote. I mean Nomi could have just been joke voting you know? I don't it just struck me as an attempt to buy early credit. Maybe I'm wrong about that but I didn't like it. Hopefully Thane can do some more on D2 to clear his name. Or not, I'd be willing to lynch him if anyone else is up for it.

 

Ok now we come to the scum. It's both funny and unfortunate that they both teamed up to attack me tonight. I obviously already suspect Lenlo but I had planned on doing a case on Xander. Now it's just going to make me look petty and OMGUSy because they went on the offensive first. Such is life though. I mean what can I do about it? It's weird because I don't think Xander knew I was going to go after him I think he just perceived me as an easy target and joined his teammate in finishing what Nomi started. I'll be making posts for each of them separately before deadline.

 

 

 

How do you feel about this now?  Any changes and if so why?  And I think I already mentioned it but your reasoning behind your Scum reads is horribad.

[Zander?]

Lynching Zander is a no-go for me.

 

Lenlo I'm leaning town on but not settled, need to finish my main re-read and then do the individuals.

 

I am still willing to lynch Thane, the problem is people don't want to do it because it's cruel to lynch a guy who can't defend himself. I don't care, and I will still lynch him if the behavior he exhibited when he could play was scummy, and it was, mildly so. I'm totally going to lynch Thane if you help me do so.

 

In my travels through this thread I've found people who look townier than Dice, because I have things more substantial to base my opinion on since my initial Dice read, and I don't see much from Dice since then which affects the lean, but he's under no pressure so nothing's going to happen there. If he's scum he's skating right now because he's in a blind spot. But I can't say he is scum.

 

I don't know about Taborline. I'd lynch Taborline based off of what Zander said, and the fact that they were in my blind spot for so long. I need to feel someone's presence in the game so I can place them on my town or scum chart. I'd rather have a negative opinion on someone that I can articulate and put pressure on, and see if that leads somewhere both in terms of lynching them, or clearing them, than no opinion or a nearly null one. I don't know what you are, is grounds for lynching after enough has been posted that can be analyzed.

 

Jon Snow I probably won't lynch without a bunch of my town leans telling me to do so, but I'd do so to consolidate. I lean town on him.

 

Don't have a strong feeling about BFG.

 

Would lynch NotBob.

 

Won't be lynching Shad.

 

Dunno about AJ, but a re-read of AJ should help me place him.

 

@ Nolder Your best bet is Tabor for an actual lynch, or Thane for a suspect we both agree on.

 

 

lolololololololol isn't this exactly what he did???!!!!

[Shad_]

Not going to try and restate my pre-ISO thoughts because they no longer hold.  Something like "I felt meh and was surprised she voted".
 
#902 -- pressed for time, will try to ISO the three options
 

Right now I'm pretty meh about both Snow and Tabor, I don't think skimming Nolder ISO is fair to him, there's a fair bit I'm missing.

The two concerns with Snow is the disconnect between his opening and actual posting - which could just be due to finals and recently more concerning is his reasons for voting Zander.

Tabor I'm pretty null on this game, but I ISO'd her in Diablo, there were a few none content posts for which she got voted, but she came back with a 'risky' reads list and interacted with people, this game she feels less involved.

I don't like Snow', Tabor and Nolder all being missing and don't know what to make of Tabor and Snow not voting to self pres

 
I kind of love red because it tells me she really did look back and isn't just making things up from memory.  Nolder has said quite a lot in this game and it really isn't something you can fully wrap your head around in a quick skim.
 
Voting process from here very similar to mine--expresses uncertainty, ultimately says she'd rather lynch scum than null so votes Snow.  #982 reiterates her reason on Snow when asked, doesn't add anything.
 

 

 

Zander when did you push Tabor? What stage of the game?

Ive pushed her for awhile BFG. Ive made more then a solid case AND SHES DONE NOTHING.. Come on this is easy people.

 

I thought earlier on you were referring to a prior game?

 

Asks this at one point, again shows that she's thinking, though I'm not sure what at this point.


The bad: Low content--simple as that, and could be a time thing. Rack's lynch in Matrix might be a good comparative example for town!BFG at EoD feeling uninformed and restricted by time.  Maybe also add that she voted, when she usually doesn't under these circumstances.

The good: I believe she really did ISO them, because her reason for not wanting to vote Nolder is consistent with doing so. Her uncertainty could be faked I suppose, but it parallels mine, and she pretty much drew the same conclusions. I don't know that I actually stated my reason for going with Snow until after the fact--if I didn't then she's certainly not sheeping me.  She asked a question that doesn't serve an obvious outward purpose but could help connect dots in her mind.  If she's scum, she's faking her process pretty well, and I'm walking away from this feeling like I witnessed fairly typical town!BFG behavior.

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I'm looking at Snow and Nolder right now.

 

After an ISO of JS:

 

His first vote is a joke vote, which makes sense given JS and Len's interactions in the game I played with them, it's null, as is Lenlo's reply.

 

He posts some fluff posts, next vote is another jokey one for Zander.

 

His vote for AJ is fine, based on what content there was, and then there's the confusion about who is actually playing. My instinct would say that's a point in his favour, as I would think scum would be more in tune with what they're doing.

 

His interaction with AJ, and subsequent unvote for not seeing what he thought he saw could be a point against him, but his honesty/apology and immediate unvote seemed legit.

 

He comes back to Zander then and puts his vote there because of Zander's repeatedly mentioning his randing town - an OK~ reason, but Zander does tend to do that a lot, though I know JS was saying he doesn't care about meta. I'm pinged a bit by his reads list, only because I'm not really scum reading Zander so far, despite his casing me which has been a scum move of his in the past if we want to get into personal paranoia ;) But no, Zander's right about my lack of posting/not having contributed much yet, and he's not done anything else to make me worry yet.

 

This post really reads like TMI for an inexperienced player especially since her ability to read me in the first place isnt very good.  That's not an insult just the truth.