Diablo the mafia game!

[Thane Vakarian]

It's like you don't even want to consider what i would like to add to this game, now that the weekend is over.

[Yates]

do i really have to read mafia theory and not go by my own gut feeling here?

Yes. Because it isn't theory so much as a mechanic at this point.

[Thane Vakarian]

You know what Yates? I'll just be honest here. The NERVE you got to tell people how to play mafia is beyond me. Mechanics, abused by the right players, can still lead to a loss. Like, here's the thought that crossed my mind:

 

allknowing player: Don't do what you think and feel is right. It's mechanics and we win this.

Silly town: so, not trust my gut?

allknowing player: ofcourse not, that's because my scumbuddy is in the cleared pile and i want to wolf to victory.

 

points against: you got a wolf lynched

my thoughts: you were buddies, feel all clear and want to mislynch as many townies as possible now.

 

No, i don't trust you Yates, and i don't trust any of the other players either. There are still 8 suspects left in this game, and i will not consider the other players otherwise. Anyone would be a fool to simply rule out people 'cause of fakepeeks. And don't go all 'but it's mechanics' on me. I haven't plowed through all those bloody pages between you and Bender so that i'd be mislynched here. Don't like my ideas? Deal with it. I will not play differently because you say so.

 

As for my LEAST willing to lynch people, they include BFG and Dice. Who i might have peeked, or not.

[Thane Vakarian]

I was really looking forward to this game, ya know? I love Diablo. But i think i won't check back in untill tomorrow and do something useful instead, and reread after.

[Yates]

Relax, Thane. I'm seriously just trying to help you out in case you are Town. And I want you to be Town. I'm not sure why you are so defensive. I'm not even asking you to play differently. The point is that there are a bunch of people in here reading the game a certain way and you are marching to the beat of your own drum. I'm not necessarily discouraging that. I'm just trying to give you some perspective.

 

Look at it this way; if the scum don't kill the cop tonight and the cop peeks someone alive tomorrow the game is mechanically locked. If you are Town you should be in a great mood.

 

How do you feel about Pral, NotBob, and Tress? I ask because I can tell you with a high degree of certainty that one of the four of you are going to be lynched today.

 

You can tinfoil on me all you want. But I'm pretty sure I get NKed or peeked by the cop [if I haven't already been] long before I get lynched. Ditto Clov. Ditto Dice. Ditto BFG. Ditto Tab. Even if you disagree with the logic, there are so many people here that do NOT disagree with the logic that you will be fighting an uphill battle.

 

You are in the POE because, by your own admission, you weren't around at all during the day phase that lynched a wolf. I get that you have a valid excuse. I'm not even damning you for it. It's just that this is a game of credits and demerits and you didn't gain any credits. There are people here with more credits than you and those credits buy Town points. It's simple math, really.

[dicetosser1]

VOTE PRAL

[dicetosser1]

As for Notbobs vote on D1 without reading   thats classic NB. not saying he isnt mafia  he might be  just that you cant read anything into that action

[Yates]

It's nice to be sharing a brain with you, brother.

[dicetosser1]

i know   I told mum you needed your own but she didnt listen. Figured mine was big enuff for both of us.

 

 

shakes head sadly

[dicetosser1]

Yates  who in this game do you think does NOT kill you last night?

[BFG]

 

 

in my opinion, it'd be dangerous to clear anyone who was a fakepeek. Nobody is clear, everybody is still a suspect for me. Call me paranoia if you like, but that's how i feel about it.

Is this a scum claim?

 

no,  it's not. Is it so weird that i don't exclude people who have been fake peeked?

 

 

 

do i really have to read mafia theory and not go by my own gut feeling here?

Who do you want to exclude?

 

As of Day 2 I think you had Shad as town, early Day 1 you were uneasy about Lenlo and Clov but I don't recall anything else?

[Yates]

Yates who in this game do you think does NOT kill you last night?

Really anyone who thought I was going to drive a mislynch on Clov. Or anyone seer hunting.

[Pralaya]

Also, Pral choosing the Clov vote over Bender when I was clearly hinting that my "peek" was on Bender but keeping open the option it was on Clov was pretty gross. So he's almost lock scum #2.

Well, I am town. But obviously you are not going to believe that nor am I going to convince you hard. So, go ahead.

 

I gave my reasons why I voted clov. Based on the context and the information at the time, it was the right thing to do. Especially since I did not have a reason to trust you completely.

 

Anyway, dice raises a pertinent point. Who wouldn't kill you? Of course, it was because they were seer hunting, since it was shad who was killed. But, it had to be a person who would know you very well and guess that you would be gambiting. And, sure that you are gambiting as a vt. There are hardly 2-3 names in this game that would do that. Think about that once you are sure that I am town.

[Clovdyx]

 

in my opinion, it'd be dangerous to clear anyone who was a fakepeek. Nobody is clear, everybody is still a suspect for me. Call me paranoia if you like, but that's how i feel about it. 

 

You don't believe in SHC theory?  You think mafia is deliberately throwing the game, then?  Because at this point, leaving the cop alive will mechanically lock the game in a phase or so.

 

 

Vote Count

Clov. (1/13) Bfg
Bender (3/13) Dice, Yates, Lenlo

Lenlo (4/13) AJ, Shadooh, Thane, Bender

Taborline (1/13) Clov


Not Voting (4/13)
Pralaya, Notbob, Tress, Tab

This vote made the wagons 4-4:

Haven't even started to read...Vote Zander

Bender was already on Lenlo. So if NotBob is scum he is counting on either Pral or Tress to be the deciding vote as his scum mate? Or just really really hoping Clov will switch off Tab?

And I know... "derp clear" and all but:

why is my vote on someone named Bender?  
 
I voted Zander

Blech. This might actually be a derp clear.

Basically, I think Pral looks the worst by a fairly wide margin. If you want to lynch NotBob before Thane I don't think anyone will argue that order. Tress goes last and I think this game is locked.  But I think that vote count looks pretty bad for Thane without digging too deep.

 

 

I don't disagree with your point about Thane looking bad there, and I have no issue with Pral coming before Notbob.  I do think Scum!Notbob could easily vote Bender there.  I was clearly going to be around near deadline, and anybody paying attention to my votes should have known there was no chance in hell I let it go random between the two of them - and CERTAINLY I'm not going Bender over Lenlo at that point.  And it wouldn't be the first time I got burned by a teammate tying wagons, but I will concede that it at least makes him look good enough at I don't start POE lynches with him.

 

 

 

in my opinion, it'd be dangerous to clear anyone who was a fakepeek. Nobody is clear, everybody is still a suspect for me. Call me paranoia if you like, but that's how i feel about it. 

Is this a scum claim?

 

no,  it's not. Is it so weird that i don't exclude people who have been fake peeked?

 

 

It's incredibly weird, given the fact I used fake peeks to POE-lock a win for town in BFG's game, and I don't recall you objecting in the slightest then.

[Clovdyx]

As for Notbobs vote on D1 without reading   thats classic NB. not saying he isnt mafia  he might be  just that you cant read anything into that action

 

I am not prepared to argue this in any way, shape, or form.

[BFG]

 

in my opinion, it'd be dangerous to clear anyone who was a fakepeek. Nobody is clear, everybody is still a suspect for me. Call me paranoia if you like, but that's how i feel about it.

 

You don't believe in SHC theory?  You think mafia is deliberately throwing the game, then?  Because at this point, leaving the cop alive will mechanically lock the game in a phase or so.

 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Clov. (1/13) Bfg

Bender (3/13) Dice, Yates, Lenlo

 

Lenlo (4/13) AJ, Shadooh, Thane, Bender

 

Taborline (1/13) Clov

 

 

Not Voting (4/13)

Pralaya, Notbob, Tress, Tab

This vote made the wagons 4-4:

Haven't even started to read...Vote Zander

Bender was already on Lenlo. So if NotBob is scum he is counting on either Pral or Tress to be the deciding vote as his scum mate? Or just really really hoping Clov will switch off Tab?

 

And I know... "derp clear" and all but:

why is my vote on someone named Bender?  

 

I voted Zander

Blech. This might actually be a derp clear.

 

Basically, I think Pral looks the worst by a fairly wide margin. If you want to lynch NotBob before Thane I don't think anyone will argue that order. Tress goes last and I think this game is locked.  But I think that vote count looks pretty bad for Thane without digging too deep.

 

 

I don't disagree with your point about Thane looking bad there, and I have no issue with Pral coming before Notbob.  I do think Scum!Notbob could easily vote Bender there.  I was clearly going to be around near deadline, and anybody paying attention to my votes should have known there was no chance in hell I let it go random between the two of them - and CERTAINLY I'm not going Bender over Lenlo at that point.  And it wouldn't be the first time I got burned by a teammate tying wagons, but I will concede that it at least makes him look good enough at I don't start POE lynches with him.

 

 

 

 

in my opinion, it'd be dangerous to clear anyone who was a fakepeek. Nobody is clear, everybody is still a suspect for me. Call me paranoia if you like, but that's how i feel about it.

Is this a scum claim?

 

no,  it's not. Is it so weird that i don't exclude people who have been fake peeked?

 

 

It's incredibly weird, given the fact I used fake peeks to POE-lock a win for town in BFG's game, and I don't recall you objecting in the slightest then.

 

Tress also had Lenlo as her only(?) orange at that point, there was probably some doubt as to if I'd shift my vote or not, or if Pral would turn up and vote.

[Clovdyx]

 

Also, Pral choosing the Clov vote over Bender when I was clearly hinting that my "peek" was on Bender but keeping open the option it was on Clov was pretty gross. So he's almost lock scum #2.

Well, I am town. But obviously you are not going to believe that nor am I going to convince you hard. So, go ahead.

 

I gave my reasons why I voted clov. Based on the context and the information at the time, it was the right thing to do. Especially since I did not have a reason to trust you completely.

 

Anyway, dice raises a pertinent point. Who wouldn't kill you? Of course, it was because they were seer hunting, since it was shad who was killed. But, it had to be a person who would know you very well and guess that you would be gambiting. And, sure that you are gambiting as a vt. There are hardly 2-3 names in this game that would do that. Think about that once you are sure that I am town.

 

 

I would argue that lynching me was the right thing to do ONLY if you trusted him completely.  Without looking back, I don't see you saying anything but "If Yates is claiming the peek on Clov he should be the lynch today".  Well, I mean, that and then suggesting Yates would be auto-lynched when I flipped town.

[seph]

Vote Count day 3

Pral (1/9) Dice

 

Not voting

 

Everyone else

[Yates]

[v]Pral[/v]

[seph]

Vote Count day 3 

Pral (2/9) Dice, Yates

 

Not voting 

 

Everyone else 

 

 

 

 

thanks for waiting until I posted one Yates

[Clovdyx]

[v]Thane[/v]

 

Don't tell anyone, but I'm going to vote Pral later.  I'm just doing that thing where I meaningless start a counterwagon to see how people react.

[seph]

Vote Count day 3 

Pral (2/9) Dice, Yates

Thane (1/9) Clov

 

Not voting 

 

Everyone else 

[Yates]

Anyway, dice raises a pertinent point. Who wouldn't kill you? Of course, it was because they were seer hunting, since it was shad who was killed. But, it had to be a person who would know you very well and guess that you would be gambiting. And, sure that you are gambiting as a vt. There are hardly 2-3 names in this game that would do that. Think about that once you are sure that I am town.

Nah. I think I pretty obviously ruled myself out as the cop when I suggested Clov was my red peek. So unless Clov actually *is* scum fooling me? I think the thought was to leave us both alive to have a town vs town thunder dome. But here's the thing... If Clov is scum then yeah. I would be dead. I don't think even Clov could have stopped his lynch after the Town credit I gained from the Bender lynch combined with the fact he was single handedly attempting to stop it. And that was the whole point of the gambit. If Clov was scum I would have been nk'd and you guys hopefully would have turbo lynched him with the assumption I was right. And I couldn't really run that game on Shad because if he was the cop he doesn't know me well enough and might counter me and screw up my long con.

 

So really I'm treating Clov as SHC for the rest of the game. I am prepared to lose to Clov Scum because that would be the ballsiest play ever to leave me alive.

 

So really all of you in the Poe have reasons to keep me alive. Tress knows I gambit a ton as VT. So I could see her seeing through my claim. You and Thane would want me to drive a mislynch on Clov. Plus you both saw me drop cover more than once. And NB might bank on the fact I gave him Town credit for tying the Bender wagon and just hope I was lying while taking out another person with seer equity.

[Yates]

thanks for waiting until I posted one Yates

You are entirely welcome.

[Yates]

[v]Thane[/v]

 

Don't tell anyone, but I'm going to vote Pral later. I'm just doing that thing where I meaningless start a counterwagon to see how people react.

I don't even dislike it. When I'm back at a computer and not on my phone I have to see if Thane is just play acting with this seer clear stuff. I find it incredibly difficult to believe he believes what he is saying. And obviously it is in scum's best interest to keep the Poe pool as populated as possible.

 

Also I don't think Thane has a ton invested in this game so that blow up seems out of character based solely on memory. Like I think he has said in the past he didn't care if he got mislynched as VT but I could be making that up in my head.