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[Guest]

Oh right, and then, ofc, IF the latter is correct and Len is repeating the same thing again in an attempt to defend a co-scum member, then Dice saying this:

 

and i wont be lynching Clov this game

 

does not bode well.

[dicetosser1]

Besie   it was tongue in cheek regarding yates

 

 

 

and i dont understand ure last post

[BFG]

I'm on my mobile between meetings so I won't quote.

 

 

Bessie can you explain why you're ok with Zanders vote on Yates, because I don't see why from your posts above.

 

Interesting thought on Lenlo, but I got the impression from the DT that he didn't really enjoy the bussing in that game and my (admittedly not great) recollection from that game was that the bussing was initiated by Zander and Lenlo just got caught up by it. I do want to check/compare tone from Ragnarok, but that will probably have to wait till I'm home again.

[BFG]

Dice is extremely likely to be town, not my peek and I'm a little more cautious after Matrix but my strongest read at this point.

 

To preemptively answer Yates, it's due to directness and content, it's not locked in yet, but I'm feeling pretty good.

[Guest]

Dice,

Oh right, and then, ofc, IF the latter is correct and Len is repeating the same thing again in an attempt to defend a co-scum member, then Dice saying this:

 

and i wont be lynching Clov this game

 

does not bode well.

Besie   it was tongue in cheek regarding yates

 

 

 

and i dont understand ure last post

 

I said that IF Len is scum and IF he is protecting a fellow scum (Clov) then you saying that you're not going to vote Clov could POSSIBLY imply that you're scum protecting a fellow team member. Why do you not want to vote Clov?

 

 

 

 

I'm on my mobile between meetings so I won't quote.


Bessie can you explain why you're ok with Zanders vote on Yates, because I don't see why from your posts above.

Interesting thought on Lenlo, but I got the impression from the DT that he didn't really enjoy the bussing in that game and my (admittedly not great) recollection from that game was that the bussing was initiated by Zander and Lenlo just got caught up by it. I do want to check/compare tone from Ragnarok, but that will probably have to wait till I'm home again.

 

 

Yeah, BFG, I can see where you're coming from but my view was the opposite. I believe Zander was just being his annoying self and Lenlo was bussing it like crazy. I had read through their scum thread too and Zander was his annoying self there too, whilst Lenlo was sweet and  calm there. So to say. So I'm going to stick with my viewpoint that it's entirely Len's choice on being that way.

 

I'm okay with his vote on Yates because I trust him, basically. He has more experience that I have and, just like you, he sees connections where I do not yet. I can refer  you to the post he voted in to read his reasoning.

[Zander?]

spammit!  i had 5 quotes and lost them!

 

will try to remember.

 

Zander vote   started cause of our Mafia game Len and i was threatening him and besie on skype. His post where he talks about me asking aj what he would prefer....the tones striking me as wrong.  My vote stays at this point. He has done nothing that screams town zander at me and has done some stuff thats more indepth then i associate with him. yet it doesnt feel like he is really game solving.

 

my concern with my thinking is that its very similar to stuff HE said about Lenlo last time.

 

First off, I know quotes can get eaten (though you use them in your following post for lesser reasons but you didn't go back from them to try an explain/justify your vote) but that's not the only problem I have with this post. Like firstly I have NEVER talked to Len on Skype he's not even a contact so I don't get that at all. And as far as the in depth part that you associate with me, you've seen me be both scum and town so how is me being more in depth alignment indicative of me as either to you?  And then the bolded part....

 

 

She seemed pretty comfortable in the thread early on.  As I suggested to Shad, I think newer players would feel more pressure coming into the game as mafia than town - and she's never played before.  

 

Since then, I like where Zander's been coming from.  His push on Yates seems pretty noticeably different from how he was in the Matrix game, and he seems to be exploring more things in the thread.  I'm not clearing them by any stretch, but he would have made a significant development in his scum game.

 

 

Alright. I can agree with the Zander part, I am simply very wary of him. I think the slot will be resolved as the game goes on. I generally give new people a day or two to get into it and see what they can do/how they act so I at the very least am not lynching that slot today or probably tomorrow short of an outright scum view.

 

Of course its worth noting neither is clearing me (us) but both Clov and Len are saying that opposite of what you are Dice.  So I'm assuming you must disagree but in doing so, please provide these lost quotes you have to prove your point.

 

Also, the same as I said about Len in Matrix.....I think you should take a moment to think that over and look back at that game Dice.  I jumped all over him for his reads list and basically screamed you're a wolf at him and jumped around calling him reading me and Cory as scum as OMGUS!!!  When and where have I done anything at all like that thus far in this game?

 

And as far as me not game solving...when you do more then I do in a game to solve then you can make that comment Dice.  Cause one thing I always do in a game is try to solve as either alignment and I think my body of work especially recently should speak for itself.

 

I guess what I'm saying is If you had just responded with like "My guts telling me Zander's scum"  It prolly wouldn't have bothered me as much cause that's how I feel like Town!Dice is town telling in part, at least to me anyways but your reasoning here is just plain wrong, unsubstantiated and differs from general opinion.

 

I'll be waiting for your response.but I don't like this post nor the reasoning behind it though I'll admit I may be a little bias here...

[Zander?]

Morning Ladies!!!!

 

:wub:

[Thane Vakarian]

hello all. After doing renovation works at home this morning, I arrived at work and will catch up. I expect some interesting things, seeing the number of pages 

 

*hands out coffee and beer*  

[Zander?]

Morning pops!!!

 

Look forward to your catch up and thoughts.

[Zander?]

 

Scum or twtbaw and why?

How about neeeeeither?

 

Or how about you make an argument to talk aboooooout rather than let others do it fooooor you?

 

 

I actually agree with Len here Shad.  Please tell us what it is that you're seeing.  I don't have Town Meta on Len but I feel that he is certainly playing differently then he did in Matrix and he seems to be trying to game solve so both of those points bode well in his favor for me at least,

 

 

Go to your room.

 

 

 

 

 

BEST. RESPONSE. EVER!!!!!!

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Zander?]

Dice,

Oh right, and then, ofc, IF the latter is correct and Len is repeating the same thing again in an attempt to defend a co-scum member, then Dice saying this:

 

and i wont be lynching Clov this game

 

does not bode well.

Besie   it was tongue in cheek regarding yates

 

 

 

and i dont understand ure last post

 

I said that IF Len is scum and IF he is protecting a fellow scum (Clov) then you saying that you're not going to vote Clov could POSSIBLY imply that you're scum protecting a fellow team member. Why do you not want to vote Clov?

 

 

 

 

I'm on my mobile between meetings so I won't quote.

 

 

Bessie can you explain why you're ok with Zanders vote on Yates, because I don't see why from your posts above.

 

Interesting thought on Lenlo, but I got the impression from the DT that he didn't really enjoy the bussing in that game and my (admittedly not great) recollection from that game was that the bussing was initiated by Zander and Lenlo just got caught up by it. I do want to check/compare tone from Ragnarok, but that will probably have to wait till I'm home again.

 

 

Yeah, BFG, I can see where you're coming from but my view was the opposite. I believe Zander was just being his annoying self and Lenlo was bussing it like crazy. I had read through their scum thread too and Zander was his annoying self there too, whilst Lenlo was sweet and  calm there. So to say. So I'm going to stick with my viewpoint that it's entirely Len's choice on being that way.

 

I'm okay with his vote on Yates because I trust him, basically. He has more experience that I have and, just like you, he sees connections where I do not yet. I can refer  you to the post he voted in to read his reasoning.

 

 

[Guest]

[Thane Vakarian]

I'll spoiler the quotes i pulled and will comment on those things, and other stuff from the thread. On a side note, i still need more coffee.... 

 

 

 

 

Killed the thread.  

 

Also, Dice and Bender are probably town.  Still going to try to lynch Zander, just for the hell of it, though.

 

Dice is definitely town.

 

I'm very cautious saying Dice is town after the last game we were in. I kinda defended him all the way and guess what? Bloody wolf. He'll have to prove himself a bit more to me this game. 

 

 

Also Clov, what brought you to an early town lean on Bender?

 

How comfortable were you in your first scum game?

 

Shad was awesome first-game-scum. Personally, I am convinced that he can sound very townie as a wolf as well. He can solve a game pretty well though, so I am waiting for his gamesolve post to come and amaze me

 

Ooohhh I'm being talked about!

I feel special

You are being talked about, and under investigation. New players are easier to catch when they rand wolf (in general). So, I think a lot of players will look at you to resolve the Bender slot. No pressure, right?

 

 

Sooh/Shad is town.

 

I don't have any reason to dispute this, but I'm not there yet.  Sooh's been absent so far, and Shad's done nohting alignment indicative for me.

 

Can't really disagree with that. Did Sooh already check in or not? Can't remember having seen her during the catch up. 

 

What does Seer cover mean? Like dont out the seer I assume, that kinda stuff? Or make soft hints at being the Seer when you arnt?

You're kidding, right? I would think that you would know, so this comment strikes me as odd from you. Also, i think you would remember how to ISO... I find this very odd, bro.

 

 

Id would also like Clov and Dice to respond to Zander, cause deadline is less than 24 hours away I believe.

 

Also would like someone to weigh in on the no lynch option. I still think its probably a bad one, but not necessarily the worst.

 

 

I can only speak for myself but No Lynch is always a bad option imo.  Any confirmed flip provides at least some new information towards game solve.  There's not a lot of time left but there's still some left to get a few half decent reads at least.

 

Yeah, no lynch is not an option this game, agreed. It'll be quite fast paced, which in itself is a challenge. No lynch is just giving wolves more chances to kill townies faster.

 

Weird game so far

Yeah, i kinda agree with this. The vibe fells odd in this game. I don't think it's just me who's feeling it. 

 

Some people i feel weird about are Lenlo and Clov for the moment. From all the players, they 'bug me most', if you will. 

 

From other people i remember thta they post, but not what it was about. 

 

I have too many people in my nullpile at this point, and it's bothering me. I'll reread when things calm down at work

 

 

 

 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

[Thane Vakarian]

I'll be around a bit (while at work) in case anybody has questions

[seph]

Vote Count

 

Bender (2/13) Clov, Dice

Yates (1/13) Bender

Clov (1/13) Lenlo

 

 

Not Voting (9/13)

Sooh/shad, pralaya, aj, notbob, tress, Thane, Tab

Yates, BFG

 

current vote count

 

 

Deadline is in 16 hours

[BFG]

Ok thanks Besie, was asking because you said 'for this reason' implying something in your post that made you agree, but I didn't see anything. So its just a phrasing issue? I pretty much agree with the read and Zander explained it far more eloquently than me. I'm curious as to your opinions, what do you think about AJ? You say Lenlo and AJ, but don't mention AJ in that spoiler

 

Bluntly it's going to take a while to get a read on you, first time players have a decent record of fooling people as mafia and I don't have town meta for Zander.

 

 

Regarding Dice, I was thinking about this and wondering if I need to be more cautious. As mafia in Matrix he had conviction on a 'out of game' reason, he's managed it with game mechanics and people (Tommy) fake claiming. I don't think I've ever seen him fake conviction in a read yet as mafia, so I'm inclined still to say town. Is it a certain read, no, but I'm willing to roll with it for now. I will be watching to see if he disappears at a later stage though :P

 

Thane, yeah I still haven't had time to sit down and write what I had earlier, but weird is the overall vibe. Can you explain what you mean about Clov? Everything you quoted is either null or positive.

[Thane Vakarian]

I can't really pinpoint it, but something bugs me about him this game. It could be that i just fail to follow his line of thinking, but i can't really point at him and go 'There's a townie, right there'. 

[BFG]

So I won't be around at deadline it's at roughly 3.30am for me, I'll try to dip in and out this afternoon but won't be around properly until this evening :/

[Thane Vakarian]

I also don't trust my own reads as much since i was absolutely and positively wrong about most people in the last game i played. Maybe I'm getting paranoid.... 

[Taborline]

I also don't trust my own reads as much since i was absolutely and positively wrong about most people in the last game i played. Maybe I'm getting paranoid.... 

 

Yup.

 

Though I had been leaning on a town Dice so far.

[Taborline]

Also, good morning

[Guest]

Yeah, it's phrasing. Sorry.

 

It should have said Len & AJ & Clov. There was that whole to and fro with Clov talking about AJ. So that IF Len is backing up his teammate (Clov) then that means there's sommmeee connection to AJ, right?

Is it bussing between teammates again (does this occur frequently, btw?); is it a scum trying to get rid of a town? I know he could also be a town, but I'm leaning towards scum for some reason. I'll discuss it with my other half.

 

Here's the Clov>AJ thing I mentioned:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't hate this response but I'm also not encouraged by it either.  So any alignment reads either way atp Clov? 

 

 

Beyond what I said about your hydra and Dice earlier, not really.  I have a very minor - and stupid - reason to be suspicious of AJ that I'm just not going to address today (if my suspicions are wrong, it's going to screw us over; if I'm right, I'm not getting him lynched over it anyways).

 

Mixed feelings about Lenlo.  I think you're right that he's working towards solving, and that's obviously a good thing, but I feel almost every point he's making is refuted by just examining the thread and using basic logic that I have a hard time considering it genuine.

 

 

 

Fair enough brother.  Depending on how things play out later I'd like to hear your reason to be suspicious of him.  The only reason I'm not pressing for it is the first bolded part.

 

It's the 2nd bolded part that's really making me wonder.  If you have a suspicion of someone and its confirmed correct why wouldn't you want him lynched over it?

 

If the answer to the 2nd bold outs it, I'll not be too worried if you don't respond to it atp.

 

 

If I'm alive D3, ask me then.  If I'm not, and he is, just kill him.   

 

It's not that I wouldn't want him lynched over it.  I meant it literally - I cannot get him lynched over it.  Going into it won't be productive, either, because I can't imagine much positive discussion resulting.  Pretty sure 90% of the game will assume I'm either a moron or mafia trying to work towards a mislynch.  

 

 

 

[Thane Vakarian]

Hiyas Tabor

 

Lemme know when you're caught up and what you think about people 

[seph]

Anyone know how to get ahold of notbob?

PmPm me plz