[Standard] The Matrix Reloaded - Game Over

[Taborline]

  On 10/28/2015 at 6:15 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 11:12 PM, rackcitysteelers said:

Well I had some posts queued up but I lost them so oh well. But I think the push on me is stupid but not scummy. I think it was silli that was saying they were expecting me to finally say something when I got back but I pretty clearly stated in my post that I wasn't going to actually be able to catch up until later. So now I'm gonna give you some thoughts.

 

I don't really set out with a concrete strategy, but the Lenlo thing was kinda just looking for actions. I wasn't entirely happy with Lenlo's reactions to it but it wasn't terrible and I have a bigger scum read anyways.

 

I think Zander is scum. I thought his opening post felt forced but some people said it was just him so I was like whatever. Someone else pointed this out (I forget who) but he's spent a lot of time just defending and backing people up. It's a pretty easy tactic to lay low and get on some people's good side. Zander said that he had been attacking people though, but it wasn't a high risk one. He just jumped on the popular Lenlo bandwagon. His reasoning wasn't good either, Lenlo imo was pretty clearly just using a mostly gut read on that person who had barely posted so I didn't get why Zander was making a big deal about it. It felt like a weak reason to jump on a popular bandwagon. I'm gonna Vote: Zander

Sorry Z, meant for you to respond to this one.

 

This is a concern that isnt coming from me, so maybe youll actually answer it instead of dancing around it with gifs and pictures.

 

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 9:09 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 7:53 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 6:15 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 11:12 PM, rackcitysteelers said:

Well I had some posts queued up but I lost them so oh well. But I think the push on me is stupid but not scummy. I think it was silli that was saying they were expecting me to finally say something when I got back but I pretty clearly stated in my post that I wasn't going to actually be able to catch up until later. So now I'm gonna give you some thoughts.

 

I don't really set out with a concrete strategy, but the Lenlo thing was kinda just looking for actions. I wasn't entirely happy with Lenlo's reactions to it but it wasn't terrible and I have a bigger scum read anyways.

 

I think Zander is scum. I thought his opening post felt forced but some people said it was just him so I was like whatever. Someone else pointed this out (I forget who) but he's spent a lot of time just defending and backing people up. It's a pretty easy tactic to lay low and get on some people's good side. Zander said that he had been attacking people though, but it wasn't a high risk one. He just jumped on the popular Lenlo bandwagon. His reasoning wasn't good either, Lenlo imo was pretty clearly just using a mostly gut read on that person who had barely posted so I didn't get why Zander was making a big deal about it. It felt like a weak reason to jump on a popular bandwagon. I'm gonna Vote: Zander

Sorry Z, meant for you to respond to this one.

 

This is a concern that isnt coming from me, so maybe youll actually answer it instead of dancing around it with gifs and pictures.

 

 

 

ok i did respond to this already.

 

 

visual aids are important though....

 

I will admit, you have been on point with your pictures/gifs. If anything, you put effort into those.

 

[v]Rack[/v]

 

He hasnt done or explained anything I had hoped he would, so im cool with this. Maybe enough votes will get him to actually talk.

 

 

I do feel like your frustration with Zander is honest, Lenlo, but I don't like the look of this either, for the possibility of you and Rack being team mates.

[Zander?]

fwiw im starting to like how Tab's starting  to kick it up a notch lately

[Pralaya]

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:21 PM, Zander said:

Pral can touch on some reasoning on these please?  especially the bottom thanks man!!!

Cory - I touched upon it in my previous post

Sooh - I talked about it earlier in the day. Her posts look a bit forced in places and as she admitted, she has been going after easy lynches. I get a feeling that she is trying to play safe

Rack - The only two thing I remember him doing is the whole Lenlo conversation with you and then voting you/unvoting you. Lot of fluff posts. I have a feeling there is a wolf between you or rack. DOn't think you both are w/w

 

If not you, I would go for sooh/rack today.

[Zander?]

  On 10/26/2015 at 2:23 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 1:03 AM, Clovdyx said:

Just did my own re-read, and I'm probably not touching Yates/Sili/Cory/Shad today.  I don't feel as good about Shad as the other three, but probably good enough for a D1 pass.  

 

Lenlo and Sooh both sound dirty to me, and I really have no idea why.  Lenlo sounded great to me when I was paying attention to Kivam's game, and he just sounds so...bleh (technical term) this game.  As for sooh, I guess it pretty much just stems from this post.

Probably because I havnt really gotten going/done anything yet. In Kiv's game stuff moved abit faster so there was stuff for me to bite into early. We are just starting to get to that point in this game. I plan to try and do a reread of the thread either tonight after I finish up a lab report and go shopping, or tomorrow once I get back from classes.

 

Can you expand on the Sooh reason? I get that the OMGUS bugs you, but can you expand on it? I have my own thoughts but I wanna put those in the reread post's with everything else. Ill second your Zander thing btw, he bugs me atm. I dunno if this is usual for him but I havnt really seen much content from him. Posts yeah, but nothing meaty.

 

 

 

so what youre complaining about people not liking your content or lack there of youre bothered by the same thing about me....

[Lenlo]

Whats your concern Tab? That I'm wolf mates with Rack? And yeah I am frustrated with Z, cause I don't see how what he's doing is town. This game is going to end with Zander being the last remaining scum and everyone alive refusing to believe it. And when the last lynch clears, everyone who is professing him as one town is going to feel stupid.

 

Z, I think your scum but let's sit down and talk. Your not getting lynched today regardless of what I do. I'm probably not getting lynched regardless of what you do. So answer me, after me who is your strongest scum read you want lynched and why? Let's actually talk and figure this out rather than just battering each other with he said, she said, I hate you, no I hate you BS. k?

[Taborline]

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:46 PM, Zander said:

fwiw im starting to like how Tab's starting  to kick it up a notch lately

 

For better or worse, I get excited when I think I might see something :P

[Lenlo]

I don't care if people like my content, but alteast I have original content.

 

Z we've done this back and forth crap for pages now and it's really just drowning out other arguments. It's not helpful to catching scum IMO. Yes, you think I'm a wolf, everyone knows this now. Can we move on?

[Zander?]

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:53 PM, Lenlo said:

I don't care if people like my content, but alteast I have original content.

 

Z we've done this back and forth crap for pages now and it's really just drowning out other arguments. It's not helpful to catching scum IMO. Yes, you think I'm a wolf, everyone knows this now. Can we move on?

 

 

most certainly after your lunched wolf!!!!

 

and i think if we look into it, i prolly have more OC then you do homie.

 

nice try though.

[Taborline]

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:51 PM, Lenlo said:

Whats your concern Tab? That I'm wolf mates with Rack? And yeah I am frustrated with Z, cause I don't see how what he's doing is town. This game is going to end with Zander being the last remaining scum and everyone alive refusing to believe it. And when the last lynch clears, everyone who is professing him as one town is going to feel stupid.

 

Z, I think your scum but let's sit down and talk. Your not getting lynched today regardless of what I do. I'm probably not getting lynched regardless of what you do. So answer me, after me who is your strongest scum read you want lynched and why? Let's actually talk and figure this out rather than just battering each other with he said, she said, I hate you, no I hate you BS. k?

 

My concern is tunnel vision. Who do you think is scum with him?

[Lenlo]

Sure whatever you think.

 

Now answer my question please, after me who is your strongest scum read and why?

 

Hmm... Thane same question when you get back.

 

After Z, mine is either Sooh or Rack. Rack didn't answer the pressure against him well IMO and his explanation for the Z thing feels like a back peddle after a failed push against.

[Zander?]

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:52 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:46 PM, Zander said:

fwiw im starting to like how Tab's starting  to kick it up a notch lately

 

For better or worse, I get excited when I think I might see something :P

 

 

 

ME TOO!!!!!

 

lets wreck some wolves!!!!

 

you said you think rack/lenlo may be scummates together.  who do you feel worse about and why?

 

I think last i seen you had Dice and Thane has top scum reads (i may be wrong but im going from memory).

 

0% chance Thane is getting lynched here today or possibly at all.

 

So your thoughts??

[Lenlo]

I've tried to get the game back on track with Z multiple times Tab, but every time he keeps dragging the thread back to him and me and away from from everyone else. Specifically Rack and Pral it seems. I don't like it. I feel he's trying to overwhelm me and get my lynched by force of personality alone and not the strength of his arguments.

[Shad_]

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:37 PM, Taborline said:

As if they were randed town, they'd just come out and said "BTW, since I'm town, you can all know I'm Darthe" or something.

My first post in my first game I said something to the effect of "I was going to play stupid but since I landed town you can all know I did some research and observed a game before signing up."  I was scum read for it all game. 

 

But honestly as much as I am sussing you I think it's correct to look at people's reactions to the lack of disclosure.  I hope it doesn't come off as a grey area irt limits on Nomi.  People reacted and I'm not going to throw out their content regarding this subject; I'm just not going to question Nomi on it per Nolder's request.

[Shad_]

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:30 PM, Pralaya said:

There were two posts that I didn't like about Sooh.

 

The first is this

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:56 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:55 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Id shoot u regardless of what he flipped idgaf

Sili, calm down! we don't need v/v violence!

 

I know this was slightly tongue-in-cheek, but it looked like a bit too confident appeal that Sili and Nomi are villagers. Just a few posts before this, Sooh had mentioned that although she think Nomi is town, she feels a bit iffy. In contrast, she is more direct here and that sudden change in town looks a bit forced.

 

The other is this

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 9:34 PM, Sooh said:

Oh what fun. We're playing the "lynch the low posters" game again. That always works.

Although she is not in the list of lowest posters, this sounds like a statement aimed at gaining sympathy. And this is not the first time she has done that. Early part of the game she started commenting that she would already have a bunch of votes on her. Just like the earlier statement, this looks forced

 

Town to scum, this is my list:

 

Thane

Clov

Yates

Sili

Shad

Taborline

Nomi

BFG

Dice

Lenlo

Hallia

Corlanna (Cory/Alanna)

Rack

Sooh

Zander

 

 

Talk to me about Rack.  You've got him near the bottom.

[Taborline]

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:59 PM, Lenlo said:

Sure whatever you think.

 

Now answer my question please, after me who is your strongest scum read and why?

 

Hmm... Thane same question when you get back.

 

After Z, mine is either Sooh or Rack. Rack didn't answer the pressure against him well IMO and his explanation for the Z thing feels like a back peddle after a failed push against.

 

I would really like to see you and Rack resolved, to be honest.

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 4:00 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:52 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:46 PM, Zander said:

fwiw im starting to like how Tab's starting  to kick it up a notch lately

 

For better or worse, I get excited when I think I might see something :P

 

 

 

ME TOO!!!!!

 

lets wreck some wolves!!!!

 

you said you think rack/lenlo may be scummates together.  who do you feel worse about and why?

 

I think last i seen you had Dice and Thane has top scum reads (i may be wrong but im going from memory).

 

0% chance Thane is getting lynched here today or possibly at all.

 

So your thoughts??

 

 

You are correct, I had Dice and Thane. Thane is not moving, but I would still also have Dice up there for the time being. My issue with him is similar to this one - a lack of more spread out game solving, and voting based on Nomi's anonymity problem.

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 4:01 PM, Lenlo said:

I've tried to get the game back on track with Z multiple times Tab, but every time he keeps dragging the thread back to him and me and away from from everyone else. Specifically Rack and Pral it seems. I don't like it. I feel he's trying to overwhelm me and get my lynched by force of personality alone and not the strength of his arguments.

 

Noted.

[Lenlo]

I'd like the Rack thing resolved to, so let's lynch 'im.

[Zander?]

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:51 PM, Lenlo said:

Whats your concern Tab? That I'm wolf mates with Rack? And yeah I am frustrated with Z, cause I don't see how what he's doing is town. This game is going to end with Zander being the last remaining scum and everyone alive refusing to believe it. And when the last lynch clears, everyone who is professing him as one town is going to feel stupid.

 

Z, I think your scum but let's sit down and talk. Your not getting lynched today regardless of what I do. I'm probably not getting lynched regardless of what you do. So answer me, after me who is your strongest scum read you want lynched and why? Let's actually talk and figure this out rather than just battering each other with he said, she said, I hate you, no I hate you BS. k?

 

 

i missed something here sorry so ill address:

 

and youre not voting me.  or even trying to build a case??

 

That is correct

 

I posted my WTl like an hour ago...seems like youre not even paying attention to what I post which i find strange if youre reading me scum.

 

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

And honestly dude i dont hate you at all man!!!  were just playing a game on the internet for the funs!!!!  i apologize if you considered anything i said as rude homie, i dont do personal attacks and im usually the first to call people on it.  Though ill have some fun poking at Game Related stuff.  So just so you know i like you man and if i said anything that bothered you thats not game related i truly apologize but im not gonna back off a scum read because of it, i hope you understand!!

 

Sincerely,

 

Your friendly neighborhood Zanderman

[Zander?]

  On 10/29/2015 at 4:01 PM, Lenlo said:

I've tried to get the game back on track with Z multiple times Tab, but every time he keeps dragging the thread back to him and me and away from from everyone else. Specifically Rack and Pral it seems. I don't like it. I feel he's trying to overwhelm me and get my lynched by force of personality alone and not the strength of his arguments.

 

 

[Lenlo]

I'm not trying to push you because I recognize it as futile today and that my time could be better spent elsewhere. I just have to hope at some point people break out of your spell and finally start seeing you for what you are. Maybe a cop view or something will hit you, idk.

 

I saw the list. Sooh, Rack, Myself and one other I can't remember. I want reasons though. And I don't believe that list was ordered either, other than me at the top. So I would like which of those you feel the most strongly about other than me and I would like a reason for that read.

[Shad_]

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:33 PM, rackcitysteelers said:

Agreed. I just wasn't going to continue pushing him once I realized I had gotten the facts wrong. As for now, I don't really have strong feelings on many people one way or another, whether it's because I just can't get a good read on them or because their posts just kind of blend in to me. Later I'm going to try to go back and reread on some of the people I'm slightly suspicious of and see if anything stands out to me. It's tough though because mafia on this forum seems to be entirely meta-based and a) I don't know anyone's meta here really and b) I never really relied on metas even before so I'm kinda at a disadvantage in terms of scum hunting.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: lack of meta grants a fresh perspective to see things that many of us are conditioned to ignore.  Sort of like Cory's joke earlier.  Those of us with a great deal of meta knowledge are going to accept that certain players will be scummy as town, and that gives them an easy opportunity to lurk by as scum while we go "oh yeah it's wolfy AF but he always does that" and move on to the next target.  If you're town, use lack of meta to your advantage.

[Shad_]

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:39 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:15 PM, cory caboose said:

The problem is that your playstyle doesn't keep you from ever randing wolf. You can lecture me on how you were a villager in Ragnarok, but I've seen games where you've gone deep as a wolf despite contributing very little and players just went "Oh it's just Pral being Pral".

 

You don't get a free villager read for being you, and other players are more villagery for you, so exactly why do you deserve to be higher in my PoE?

 

If you think D1 is erroneous or meaningless I have no idea what to tell you. I have something like a ~60% d1 wolf lynch rate, and games where villages lynch wolves on d1 end in village victories a very good clip of the time because there is a great deal to glean from it.

 

Why are you a villager, Pral? Besides that this is "how you always play". I don't care at all how you play, I care about whether or not you are a villager. Capiche?

The problem is not PoE but the vague excuses of playstyle that you bring in trying to think of me as scum. Nowhere did I say that you should think of me as a villager because of my playstyle. But, statements like "He did this in that game and he is not doing it this game" is such a wrong way to play. And that is what I am pointing out.

 

Things like the above is why you have never been able to read me properly. In the games that I have played here, there have been much less than 30% where a scum has been properly lynched D1. Like I said, it is throwing dart - it is bound to stick sometimes or if the scum makes mistakes. Going by just tone/meta is not going to lead anywhere

 

Also, as I said before, the later the game goes, the more you can glean out of me. D1 and D2, I don't care much either as town or scum.

 

 

Belichick might have been an anomaly, but you and Hallia were both epic D1. Just saying; I know both of you can do it when you put in the effort.

[Zander?]

sup Shad??!!

[Shad_]

The "too easy" solve says scum are some combination of Rack, Sooh, Tab, Lenlo, Pral, and BFG.  I'll be damned if I didn't name at least two of them though.

[Shad_]

  On 10/29/2015 at 4:34 PM, Zander said:

sup Shad??!!

 

Yo.  Catching up.

[Shad_]

I'm a bit sleep deprived today.  Not playing at 100%.