[Standard] The Matrix Reloaded - Game Over

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 6:13 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

I guess I will keep thinking that Zander can be very erroneous, flabbergasting, socialite, but like how Dice tunnels too deep, I won't ever advocate lynching him for his personality. At best I will adapt by noting how forward and aggressive he is as a wolf.

 

 

how nice of you..lol

[Shad_]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:36 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:35 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 3:43 PM, cory caboose said:

I had Thane as a villager early because his reads were very non-consensus and abstract but all it takes is a single player in the Mafia QT to go "Thane, remember that your reads as a villager are usually very unique and non-consensus" to stop that from being reliable

 

I don't know; Thane has gotten progressively better about sharing and explaining his reads over the course of the games I've played with him.  This game strikes me as the next step in that pattern.  I would expect a little digression in his first scum game after this recent stretch of town rands.

 

Are you just saying something or do you actually have the content and data necessary to believe this?

 

It's too late to make reads because "something strikes you".

 

 

I'm not even sure what you want me to respond to this with.  I have been pretty heavily involved in this game.  I think Thane is playing to his town meta and I'm not going to waste 20 minutes on an ISO to reconfirm that.  That doesn't guarantee he's town but it is a factor I will continue to consider in judging his alignment.

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 7:11 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

..... bye Clov, see you in DT.

 

people, calm down.... Lenlo is being run up here imo. With 4 wolves still in the game, highly possible. One needs two or three  wolves to start the train ,get town to doubt and boom, one more townie down.

 

I can be wrong about Len, i know. And that'd be bad. 

 

I'll still [v] Hallia [/v]

 

That hammer and her explanation after.... nope. nope nope nope.

 

 

yes yes it would

 

though i certainly agree with you on Hallia pops!!!

[Cory Caboose]

Hallia hammered Sooh yesterday after mostly defending Lenlo even pre-doctor claim.

 

Clov flips bodyguard and Hallia immediately votes Lenlo and pretty much stops talking saying "Clov flipping bodyguard means Lenlo isn't doctor"

Could see that as wolf concerned about the Clov flip locking Lenlo out mechanically, if that makes sense

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/6/2015 at 5:02 PM, Shad_ said:

I'm not even sure what you want me to respond to this with.  I have been pretty heavily involved in this game.  I think Thane is playing to his town meta and I'm not going to waste 20 minutes on an ISO to reconfirm that.  That doesn't guarantee he's town but it is a factor I will continue to consider in judging his alignment.

 

Okay sorry if that came out harsh

 

Please don't take that as me not appreciating your effort

[Cory Caboose]

I think generally bussing is a instinctive action more than not and a response to seeing a teammate get ~heat or about to get ~heat more often than not because "i don't want to look bad for being wrong"

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 7:41 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:53 AM, Hallia said:

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 10:30 AM, alannalynn said:

*snip*

 

.....Hally's in this game?

I find this forced.  At this point in time I had been posting fairly regularly for as short of a game as it was.  And Laine had actually quoted/responded.  Of course Laine's going to come in and say that it's sarcasm, but it feels super fake to me.

 

Also up to page 23, I like Pral's intro.  He's townish right now.

Town hallia.

 

 

 

id like to see proof of this as youre in the bottom of posters and have BEEN so all game.  You are always associated with low posting....so i hope you see why this comment makes little to no sense to me right.

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 7:41 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

If what she said is accurate.

 

 

do you think it is???

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 7:54 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

K

 

Wolves...

Cory

Len

Dice

 

 

Villagers

Yates

Shad

Hallia

 

i like 2/3 of each list

 

Switch Corlanna and Hallia imo

[Cory Caboose]

http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1836

 

Reading this game where Hallia was a wolf and I was a villager and I misread her

 

That post about Pral reminded me of something she said about Lenlo (who was a villager) in that game

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 8:34 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

On p fifty.

 

Wolves are in len thane tab cory zander dice

 

I lynch pref

 

Cory

Len or tab

Thane

Zander or dice

 

 

please explain how i came to be on your list Sili...cause this seems to have came out of left field.  is it a PoE thing or what?

[Cory Caboose]

Len was a villager and being pressured hard d1 and Wolf!Hallia defended him sort of weakly:

 

http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1836&pid=146005#pid146005

 

Feels similar to her approach to Pral this game

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 8:41 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Her hammer is too obviously wolfy to be agenda driven. Dont fall into that trap...

 

 

unless her and len are w/w where she could do this and look TWTBAW and in doing so ensure her teammate isnt tne lynch while hiding in the basking glow of well maybe people will assume this could be way too obv...

 

 

your thoughts?

[Shad_]

God stop posting so much.  I will never catch up today.

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 8:45 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Len has done some mental gymnastics if he is a wolf. Im now a little reluctant to lynch him.

 

 

i dont understand

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 8:52 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Shad. Cory is 80% a wolf.

 

 

Shad hates when people throws math at him

 

like 90% of the time Shad is mad when this happens

 

*throws more math at shad*

 

lolololololol

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 8:54 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Ill need your help so let me say this. I know cory. Yates knows cory. Both of us think theres a real chance he is scum. Yates is probably town.

 

Sheep us. Dont sheep cory. Even if he is town all his scumrds are prpbably wrong.

 

so he should be lynched for it?

 

i dont know if im missing something but that dont make a lot of sense to me.

 

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 8:54 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Well except len. Thats complicated.

 

 

?????  what is this in relation to?

[Shad_]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:04 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Christ, playing with Cory never does get any easier does it? If mafia was menopause, Cory would be the hot flashes.

 

Didn't realise Cory and Alanna were a Hydra here. Don't know why you'd let Cory hydra with anyone, as if his slot needs more posts, but fine. 

 

Ok so the only valuable Nomi contribution is one interaction with Dice?

 

Lenlo is a funny one. I like his level headed posts he made since day, the one where he explains his logic. As that reminds me a lot of the way I like to try to play. Of course, he didn't need to remind me about my first Mafia game where he got me. That being said, today I think he has responded pretty well but may have gained his composure in time to save himself. Still undecided. 

 

Sili, Yates, Tabor looking townie to me. The more Cory posts the more I get a scum lean but more interested to see where we are at with him come Day 4. If he doesn't implode first. Undecided on Lenbro. Null on Dice thus far. The Zander arguments I can totally get behind. I actually think he plays weirder though (somehow) as scum so this is a town lean for me. Shad and Thane I'm leaning town on. Not sure about Hallia. 

 

That being said, there's a scum (or 2) in Cory, Lenlo, Zander, Hallia, or Yates (would be deepest wolf of the group) IMO. 

 

This might be an interesting post to analyze later in the game.  I'm kind of null on it right now and I have zero experience with RTE.

[Shad_]

It's an interesting testament to how I read Sili that when I just went to search him his name didn't pop up in the box from having been entered previously over the course of four or five games.

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 9:12 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Or if he is town he might be able to clear himself under pressure. Thatd be nice too.

 

 

i think this kinda touches on what I last asked.

[Shad_]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:08 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I would like someone to explain why Lenlo's lynch would be the most informative. Lot of past interactions? Right now I can see a lot of people just shrugging it off as a mislynch, and Cory going "Oops, sorry I was wrong" like he has so often in the past, as town or wolf for that matter. 

 

I think you answered part of your question.

[Shad_]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:13 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:10 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

I don't care how town and how certain you are, no one here is enough of a rookie to let Lenlo get so close to being lynched so early in the day when not everyone is in thread yet. 

Clov flipped bodyguard probably helped that.

 

I wasn't around for most of last night and would have unvoted when he got to L-1. Someone else did IIRC. 

 

 

/wave

 

Glad I did, too.

[Yates]

I'm basically just reading pages 10, 11 and 12 of his ISO [in ascending order]:

 

Clov isn't sure he believes Lenlo's claim.

 

Clov "rethinks" his Town read on Thane here.

 

Clov determines Cory is very likely to be Town.

 

Clov says Tab is not playing the way she did in Harry Potter as Town.

 

Clov has no interest in lynching BFG [now RTE] @Cory.

 

Clov hedges on his Dice read.

 

Clov accuses Sili of TMI wrt Sooh flip.

 

Clov "accepts" Sili's reads of Zand, Shad, Yates as Town. [technically I don't know if this constitutes agreement or just that he accepts these would be reads coming from Sili's pov]

 

I hadn't noticed this but Clov doubles down on his Sili scum read here.

 

Clov advocates not tinfoiling on Thane.

 

Clov thinks Tab flipping mafia 100% clears Thane.

 

Clov backs up Shad/Sili wrt Hally's hammer saying Sooh's lynch was not a foregone conclusion.

 

Clov promises Shad he'll look into a Lenlo scum flip spewing Sili Town.

 

 

If I go ONE page further back I see this:

  On 11/3/2015 at 4:00 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 2:20 PM, Hallia said:

On mobile. Correh you asked who I thought the wolves with you might be, I would say Dice, Sooh, Tab.

Cory aside, I really don't hate this list.

 

If I'm going to sponge 100% of Clov's reads, I believe they look something like this:

 

Town:

Corlanna

Yates

Zander

Shad

 

Meh:

Thane?

Hally

Lenlo

 

Wolf:

Sili

Tab

Dice

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 12:03 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 7:11 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

..... bye Clov, see you in DT.

 

people, calm down.... Lenlo is being run up here imo. With 4 wolves still in the game, highly possible. One needs two or three  wolves to start the train ,get town to doubt and boom, one more townie down.

 

I can be wrong about Len, i know. And that'd be bad. 

 

I'll still [v] Hallia [/v]

 

That hammer and her explanation after.... nope. nope nope nope.

 

I'm starting to worry that's true as well, that Lenlo is being run up.

 

Sooh - Lenlo, Corlanna, Yates, Thane, Taborline, Hallia (7)

Lenlo - Zander, Dice, Sili, Shad (5)

 

Saying Lenlo is what he says he is, or some form of town, that leaves a lot of my previous townish-reads sitting in the wolf pile. Right now, I feel Zander and Shad are my only stronger reads, though I have a fear in the back of my mind that Shad is just really, really good. The same fear I have for Cory, Yates and Sili.

 

 

 

so in general Tab can you sum up your read on Len?

[Yates]

So my biggest problem is I don't know if Clov was targeted directly or if he protected somebody. If he protected somebody? It was probably Cory. And he has Cory as a strong Town read.

 

TL/DR - I'm locking Cory in as Town. He is not getting lynched today.

 

Which means I'm now looking at opportunistic wolves who jumped on Corlanna after my vote.

[Yates]

Also - Sorry, Cory. Consider it a compliment?