Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[wish-tree]

Oh, right. Labor Day is Monday, so not until after this Monday, Kivam is saying.

[Talya]

Ahh, ok Thank you. for both.

 

I have to say I like your half of the slot in this game than the other half. You have come across better for the last half of D1.

 

I still need to finish rereading. Never got chance to do it.

[wish-tree]

I think that it's entirely possible that there are roles that don't return results.

 

The OP says:

If your role is one which would normally return a result (Player X is town, Player X visited Player Y, Player X was visited by Player Y, Player X and Player Y are having a torrid affair ... whatever), you will receive that result as usual at the start of the next day, unless another player's action interferes with that.  You will not receive any other notification (no "action failed" or "no effect" etc.).

 

That means the following options are viable for the people who didn't return results:

1. Their actions failed.

2. Their roles don't return results. (This is what I think my role is)

3. They don't have a power? (can @Kivam answer this question? Is this even a possibility?)

Yooooo

What do you guys think about this?

And the following:

 

As for a redirect ability, I think that it would have to be a role that didn't return results. And since none of us know our roles, and we only could submit one name to target with our NA, it is probably a random redirect ability.

 

Either player chooses a target and any actions that the target takes are randomly redirected,

Any actions that target the target are randomly redirected,

Just a nexus who doesn't even have a choice either way,

Or a random action is redirected to the target selected.

 

Those are the possibilities I can think of.

[wish-tree]

Ahh, ok Thank you. for both.

 

I have to say I like your half of the slot in this game than the other half. You have come across better for the last half of D1.

 

I still need to finish rereading. Never got chance to do it.

np np

 

It takes me a while to break out of the lazy stage -.-

[Talya]

I'm not sure about what happened. I think I would get a headache if I even tried. lol.

 

I think we could tie ourselves in knots over it. The only thing I can think, it that it at least will make us a little more careful over who we target.

[wish-tree]

If you haven't noticed, Celeste is a late gamer as well. Doesn't get into her game until later on.

 

Kk. I need to shower and head to class. Feel gross. See ya.

[Sili Quirrels]

I will have to lead now. Damn.

[Lenlo]

I will have to lead now. Damn.

We can do it together!

[Celeste]

I'm thinking that second kill could be anything a one shot kill, Loki maybe being an SK, or a vig. I think we should also relook at Corys read list to see if someone on his scum list did this.

[Verbal32]

I'm a little worried at the fact you don't know this...

 

I didn't, either.  I submitted an action and have gotten nothing back.

[Niniel]

So we have lost our cop, vig and doc in the first day. That must be some kind of record.

 

I didn´t get a result either. 

 

 

I wish Dice would be here more. He is one of my town reads but I haven´t seen much from him lately. For some reason, Dice thinks that I read him well, but I really don´t. 
 
Leelou talking about me being a possible lynch target earlier felt like pure omgus.

The underlined and the bold seem contradictory.  

 

Why do you think leelou talking about you earlier was omgus?

 

 

No, what I meant was that I thought he was town but wanted him to post more to be sure. He was town but not as town as you or Mish and with little posting it was hard to know if I was right or not. 

 

So JS votes Sooh with no reason. Tries to get her to share her thoughts, Then unvotes saying that she tends to not share thoughts until there are flips. i'm trying and failing to understand his process here.

 

Why did you vote her in the first place?

 

Interesting. When did this happen? I don´t have time to search for it. 

 

Also... I actually didn't realize before now that the game is based on Marvel's Thor, and not the original norse mythologi. Lol.

 

Me too. I just tried to not get annoyed by the English spelling of Tor and Oden. lol 

 

I'm just babbling here (yes, I'm putting off answering Wish' giant posts).

 

But this part you might wanna pay attention to. It's important babble.

 

I got a result on a player I did not target last night. This means we have a redirector or a busdriver. I'm not allowed to say what my result was or mention names. But the existence of a role messing with targeting is something everyone must take into consideration.

 

I usually don´t speculate much about roles or how things happens but in this game it will probably be necessary. A redirector makes it very hard. Maybe it will be more clear after this night. 

 

Well until we see if those of us who got a response back get the same type of response D3, it's hard to say if it's just our targets that's getting messed with, or roles.

 

Scenario A, targets, means:

I am a follower (this is hypothetical, I can't confirm exactly what kind of result I got, Kiv's order), I target player 1, but get randomly redirected to player 5 and get results about them instead. When Loki dies, I will get the results of the player I target.

 

Scenario B, roles, means:

I am a follower and I target player 1. But as long as Loki is alive, roles and results gets messed up. So we say player 2 is a vig and target player 3. Then after all NA's are in, they are put into random.org and changed around. So mine and player 2's roles get switched around. That means that technically I targeted player 3 with a vig kill, and player 2 targeted player 1 with an follower action, and get the result from that.

 

Did that make sense?

 

I see both as just as likely scenarioes. Ragnarok means complete chaos, after all. And consider the OP of the sign up thread where one of the JN players who played in this said Kiv had a "sick, sick mind to think up a game as this", we can't see anything as too unlikely.

 

 

 

 

i just had a fun little exercise making a color coded chart of people's reads lists (and/or compiling what reads they have given, if they didn't do a full list).
 
Very interesting. 
 
It also served as a quick mini-ISO for those who didn't actually do a full list.  This is going to help me quite a bit, I think.

 
Will you share? Would be interesting to see.

 

I tried my best to use the most current reads list and interpret colors to mean approximately the same thing... i.e. if someone clearly intended null, I used gray... null to town was a very pale green, slight town was slightly darker... I only used blue for those who actually specifically color coded them as blue... yellow I used as kind of an FOS/something doesn't sit right with me when nothing else was specified for that player... if someone didn't color code their reads I only used red for those they voted or stated they were willing to vote, varying shades of orange for scum reads.   Hydras I listed separately on the left column because they gave separate reads lists, but together on the top row, because they were counted together in the reads.

 

Not everything is going to be a perfect representation of D1 reads, but I did the best I could late last night.

 

 

Spoilered for big.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did this because, based on my character, I thought there was a fair chance that I might be vig (Thor was the other character that I thought fit better, depending on what roles Kivam decided to use), and if I was....well, I despise being vig, and I wanted to pick someone to target that half the game wouldn't yell at me for assuming - I knew who the people were that I felt least comfortable with, but I used this as kind of a measure of thread consensus.

 

I was also amused by the fact that this is probably the first time Lenlo has been read as town by so many people

 

I believe I will do it again for D2, because it helped me see the big picture, and trolling through people's posts for individual reads if they didn't do a full reads list forced me to take note of their content and helped me form more solid opinions. 

 

I'll sit down and go through thoughts in more detail after work tonight, I have less than an hour and I won't have to finish and post.  But I have a 4 day weekend, so yay for that.  I will probably be lazy as heck at least one day, but I'll try not to procrastinate as badly as I did last weekend.

 

 

Okay, this moves Tress up to greener town. I don´t think she would have made such trouble if she was mafia. This is great. From what I can see it´s spread out a lot. I find it weird that Oci´s train didn´t went further, seeing that a lot of people suspected him yesterday. 

 

 

[v] Oci [/v]

[Niniel]

New, temporary list. Just to see who I need to focus on. 

 

Mish

Tress

 

Taborline

Sili - Sili is moving a little up and down on my list but I think I will keep him here. 

 

Eldrick - I need to take a look at Eldrick. His behaviour today made him look town but I haven´t any memory about what he did yesterday.

Talya - I had a town read on Talya yesterday but need to look her up again because I don´t remember much about what she did in the later part of yesterday. 

Snow - Just like Talya. 

 

Verbal - Still hasn´t posted much.

Sooh - I have really no memory of her posts what so ever. 

 

 

Oci - The one I want to lynch the most. 

Leelou - Haven´t changed my mind about her either. 

Wish/Celeste - I should take a look at their list once again.

 

 

So basically I need to read more about Eldrick, Talya, Snow, Verb, Snow and Wish/Celeste. Puh! I should already be in bed but I will see if I can iso one that hasn´t got many posts. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lenlo]

Tina, please try and get an opinion on me at some point. I'm one of the top 5 posters, I've gotten plenty involved with most people in the game.

 

I find it difficult to believe you can't even place me in the null pile. It's honestly like your trying to ignore me

[Lenlo]

Really it's starting to get suspicious

[Niniel]

I did a quick iso of Sooh´s posting. No quotes.

 

1. At the beginning she didn´t let Snow push her into reads that she hadn´t by that time. I liked that when I read it the first time.

 

2. Didn´t like Talya saying that Sooh/Sili convo looked straged right after Cory mentioning people getting access to their qts days ahead. I can see that. It was a vague acusation and I think Talya said so herself.

 

3 Wonders why Cory is town reading her. First she says Cory is null but later changes her mind to town.

 

4. She says it´s hard to find wolves on D1.

 

5. Makes a list. Good = Dice, Cory/Key, Snow, Sili, Lenlo.  Hard to read = Talya, Leelou, Tina

 

6. She feels Eldrick is different, iso his posts and doesn´t get any wiser. Still null.

 

7. Votes Pral because she doesn´t like his list. In the final vc she has the third vote on his wagon. Don´t know if she was third when she voted.

 

8. Says she could vote Verb as well. She is underwelmed with his performance.

 

 

 

I´m not sure how I should read this. It could be that she is just insecure on D1 (which I understand) but it´s all very neutral. Feels too neutral. For now I will keep her in my grey and wait and see. 

[Talya]

I've just realised what bugged me about Tress's grid...the blocks aren't the same size >.<

 

Neither Oci's nor Verb's train took off, need to have a look at the end of day.

 

I would have thought there would be few going for me today..

[Niniel]

Tina, please try and get an opinion on me at some point. I'm one of the top 5 posters, I've gotten plenty involved with most people in the game.

 

I find it difficult to believe you can't even place me in the null pile. It's honestly like your trying to ignore me

 

OMG! I´m so sorry. Clearly I forgot you. I thought I listed everyone. Sorry. I still haven´t read your posts more but you are not a top priority since so many have you as clear town. You can be light green for now.

 

 

 

Mish

Tress

 

Taborline

Sili - Sili is moving a little up and down on my list but I think I will keep him here. 

 

Eldrick - I need to take a look at Eldrick. His behaviour today made him look town but I haven´t any memory about what he did yesterday.

Talya - I had a town read on Talya yesterday but need to look her up again because I don´t remember much about what she did in the later part of yesterday. 

Snow - Just like Talya. 

Lenlo - Because everyone seems to town read him. And I haven´t seen anything scummy. 

 

Verbal - Still hasn´t posted much.

Sooh - I have really no memory of her posts what so ever. Update: Too neutral - D1 uncertaintly or trying to stay in the middle? 

 

 

Oci - The one I want to lynch the most. 

Leelou - Haven´t changed my mind about her either. 

Wish/Celeste - I should take a look at their list once again.

[Niniel]

I´ll be back tomorrow and take a look at one or more players. I´m going to spend the weekend with my bf. I´m not sure how social he wants me to be but I will post something every day. 

[Sooh]

I'll work on catching up over the weekend as well. I have read everything up until now, but I need to go back and read certain players again to get a better idea. 

 

From where I stand right now I'm most wary about Ocicat and Verbal, but I'll try to keep an open mind when I go back to ISO.

[Leelou]

I actually really dislike that Tina isn't voting me. The fact that she has me so far down on her list is bothering me. I haven't seen her to do anything in regards to discerning my alignment. It's like she just arbitrarily decided I'm scum. I'm not seeing her #solve. I love that she's seen nothing to change her mind, well I haven't had the chance to post anything of substance yet since end of day yesterday. She also failed to answer Key's question directed towards her regarding my calling her out as OMGUS. She's not circling back and following up.

 

Only person I've had time to ISO yet and it's not looking good. Tina, care to actually ask me questions that mean anything or follow up on the ones you have?

[Ocicat]

. From people's reactions, I understand it's the general rule here that a vigkill goes through even if they die? 

 

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Can someone confirm this for me?

 

 

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[Kivam]

Yes

[Kivam]

Simultaneous action rule.

[wish-tree]

Gonna do a little Cory ISO.

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

First post with content. Votes Sili. No explanation given.

 

John Snow a prickly pear and I think I might like it

 

Likes John Snow.

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

You planning on just throwing that out there, or....?

 

 

John Snow wondering about Cory.

 

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 
You planning on just throwing that out there, or....?

For now, yes

 

 

Correh don't care.

 

I'm through 13 and taking a break

 

John Snow

Songstress
Sooh

The rest

 

First few reads compiled in a list.

 

I can't believe I am saying this but I think Lenlo is a villager.

 

Reads Lenlo = town.

 

[Lenlo]

 

ODIN, TOWN COP, HAS BEEN LYNCHED

 

FINAL VOTE COUNT

 

Ocicat (4) - Tina, Dice, Verbal, Pralaya

Pral (9) - Leelou, Ocicat, Sooh, Lenlo, WishLESTE, John Snow, Eldrick, Mish, Talya

Verbal (4) - Songstress, Sili, KeyBOOSE, Taborline

 

 

NIGHT HAS FALLEN. NIGHT ACTIONS ARE DUE BY NOON EASTERN ON WEDNESDAY (25 HOURS FROM NOW)

This is the last VC for Pral, updated with what we know.

 

Sadly not that telling. So I dunno why but I feel bad about the Verb train, if only because I think atleast 1 scum was following Cory there to stay on his good side/separate themselves from their team. (This is assuming Verbal is town which we have no guarantee of. Its just in my head for some reason)

 

For the Pral train WishLeste and Talya kinda catch my fancy as ones to look at today. 

 

Other peoples thoughts on who to look at?