Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Sili Quirrels]

Pral sounds good at L1. Expected maf pral to be more like a hyena.

[Taborline]

Can I have one of those, Dice?

[Cory Caboose]

[v]Verbal[/v]

[Cory Caboose]

Pral sounds good at L1. Expected maf pral to be more like a hyena.

We are very low on time

 

This day phase went on too long I'm losing my nerve

[michellem]

See, nobody reads my post.

 

Gotta run. See you.

[Cory Caboose]

See, nobody reads my post.

 

Gotta run. See you.

Vote Verb before you go

 

I can't post a VC I am on phone and driving right now

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Pral sounds good at L1. Expected maf pral to be more like a hyena.

We are very low on time

This day phase went on too long I'm losing my nerve

U do what u want cory. Im not confident about much right now and i wont be here for eod.

[Cory Caboose]

If we want to lynch somebody were going to have to start yelling at everyone online to vote for them

[Cory Caboose]

This is why I hate deadline games

 

This #s are pro wolf enough already

[Cory Caboose]

I don't think I did a good enough job this game.

 

Feel sick to my stomach.

[Leelou]

I don't think I did a good enough job this game.

 

Feel sick to my stomach.

Keep it together, man.

[Kivam]

 

VOTE COUNT

Ocicat (3) - Tina, Dice, Eldrick

Pral (6) - Leelou, Ocicat, Sooh, Lenlo, WishLESTE, John Snow,

Verbal (4) - Talya, Songstress, Sili, KeyBOOSE,

WishLeste (1) - Mish

 

Not voting (3):  Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya

 

9 to lynch

 

DEADLINE IS NOON EASTERN (GMT - 4) ON WEDNESDAY. No Majority = No lynch

 

[Leelou]

I actually hate that Pral isn't voting.

[Taborline]

I will put mine Vote: Verbal for right now, but I need to read up since last night. I don't like voting Pral when I have no idea at all. Verbal at least had me suspicious, though even then I'm not sure.

[Taborline]

 

I have played with Ocicat, last game. He was in a hydra with Wombat but rarely showed up. We were scum together. I didn't get a feel for his playstyle because he only posted a few times in the scum QT and once on the thread after the game was over.

 

I'm pretty sure when I rephrased what I said, JS said I wasn't misinterpreting him. So idk why you're getting hung up on that? I'm still pretty sure I didn't intend to twist JS's words, so I was quite surprised when he reacted like that and said that he'd policy lynch our hydra if we continued to do whatever we were doing (we focused on him last game when it was multiball).

 

Celeste can't always be right. She thinks that Ocicat is a naturally scummy player, and is defending him, but I think that Ocicat is still scum. Do I have to quote Ocicat's willingness to hop on Cory-wagons and the frustration when he was just a vote over? Nah, I think you guys should be fine. Just go to last night's posts after I went to sleep.

 

 

Not hung up about it, just pointing out you said JS said something which was actually the opposite of what JS had actually said, and that it was interesting to me.

 

That bolded part is just kind of irksome. I don't like your vagueness, confusion, quoting people from memory, and now this which sounds like "I shouldn't have to make a case, you can figure it out".

[Pralaya]

I actually hate that Pral isn't voting.

I don't see a point. My main vote would be Sooh or Talya. But, that is going to go nowhere.

 

I am not sure of Verbal. I don't think he is scum. If it comes to that, I will consolidate either on myself or verbal.

 

I will be on during the deadline.

[Cory Caboose]

So you think Verbal is town?

[Pralaya]

I think so, yes.

[Cory Caboose]

why

[Verbal32]

You realize you're voting me because the game started over a weekend and I haven't been able to get fully into it yet, right?

[Eldrick4221]

 

I actually hate that Pral isn't voting.

I don't see a point. My main vote would be Sooh or Talya. But, that is going to go nowhere.

 

I am not sure of Verbal. I don't think he is scum. If it comes to that, I will consolidate either on myself or verbal.

 

I will be on during the deadline.

Wait, what?

 

If it comes to it, you'll vote yourself over no lynch?

 

I just lost faith in you. And Ocicat clearly isn't happening.

 

[unvote]

[v]Pral [/v]

[Eldrick4221]

I was just gonna hop on and comment that I can't sleep. Glad I did, though.

[Verbal32]

TBH I'd probably have more fun this game being dead and joking around during night phases.  You won't hurt my feelings.

[Cory Caboose]

Pral "catch up" list as a villager:

 

Back from the weekend and took couple of days to read the entire game. The good news is that I have caught up completely (Thanks for keeping the game 50 pages in 5 days !)
 
First off, the town reads
 
TinaHel
 
As mentioned earlier, I don't see Tina play a risky move as scum. Her main play after that is asking people to kill the claimed survivor, which matches with what I have seen Tina play. Nothing that I have seen screams scum Tina, which is when she plays super-safe.She did say that she wis changing her game, but I don't see her change her playstyle that quickly.
 
CorMish (Cory/Mish hydra)
 
Both Cory and Mish have screamed town so far. Cory isn't as focused on lynching people D1 when he is scum compared to when he is town. Here, I see a lot of positive attempt to scum-hunt - PoE, baiting etc. I kinda read Mish but have not played with her for someitme. But, her posts again are direct and I don't see any subtle opportunism which is what makes her stand out as scum.
 
Next are the slight town reads
 
Lenlo
 
I totally see Lenlo going after the claimed survivor. He suspects me because of me being a low poster so far, but that is expected of him. His reposnses to those who questioned him have also come out as genuine. 
  
Sili
 
I played with him in a game hwere he was both town and scum and could kind of see the difference in his play. He mostly coasts when he is scum and play on the fact that the town are fighting each other. I don't quite see that opportunism here.
  
JMM, Err and Sleeper Service
 
I have not played with them and don't know how they play. So far, jmm being adamant about his playstyle and not changing it under pressure looks like town to me. 
 
Err's whole post looking at who is suspecting whom looked forced. Something like wanting to post something to look townish. Other than that, nothing much to comment on.
 
Sleeper Service has  a lot of posts and very straightforward. I can totally understand his vote on me. But, him going after me, jmm, sili looks like he is gunning for the easy lynches of the day. 
 
All the above are null and would need more time to read them fully.
 
Tommy
 
He has been shipping his votes from one person to another and I can totally see him doing that as town. He claimed survivor, which I would take with a grain of salt. I don't think lynching a survivor is a priority today because it would not give much information and the priority should be to lynch scum. Tommy was trying to hint a third party for a couple of times before he claimed survivor, which makes it seem like a planned move. Suspicious but not today's lynch.
 
Which brings us to the rest who are my scum leans
 
Manbat
 
He has had a lot of playful posts early in the game, too carefree for what I have seen in his town game so far. Again, he is not someone who I have played a lot with but some things seem off. He has been sheeping Cory and Tom in his votes so far and that stands out odd. Leanign scum here.
 
Sarmtosser (Dice/Csarmi hydra)
 
I definitely don't see csarmi go after a claimed survivor day 1. I can see dice doing it but definitely not csarmi. Dice posts also have some weird kind of aggressiveness that stands out - like this post subtly pushing Sleeper or his doggedness in lynching tommy here 
 
HalliYates (Hallia/Yates hydra)
 
Yates whole argument with Cory was making a mountain of a molehill. Yeah, Cory suspected Hally on D1 but the whole build up by Yates seemed over the top. Also, he seems less annoyed that I am posting little and more defending me when others started suspecting me. That said, monstr/Yates talks seem w/w to me - like this response from monstr. I don't buy their claim yet - looks more like "if you kill us, you are going to be in trouble" claim.

 

 

Pral "catch up" this game:

 

Songstress - MOstly town vibe from her. Her catch up was straight forward and and I agree with some of her reads

Sili -I think his vote hopping thing in the beginning is a good indication that he is town. This is the Sili who figures out things and looks for reactions. The scum sili has some set things in mind and meanders with unfocused posts. I kinda agree with his reads too.

Keyboose [keyholder/cory hydra] - Cory started off with how he has been scum the last few games and since then his posts has been figuring out things - especially figuring out the towniness of players. This looks like town Cory to me. He is wrong about me but I can see where he is coming from (will address later). Key's posts have also seemed good so far.

Lenlo - Feeling a good vibe from him. I would want to see his votes and some flip before getting a read on him. Usually in D1 it is difficult to read Lenlo. Leaning town now.

Jon Snow - He seems to be as aggressive as the British Monarchy game. In the Usual Suspects game on D1, I could see a difference in his game style and I thought he was playing a bit scummy there. Which turned out to be true (everyone was scum but D1 nobody knew that). In this game, he is playing more like BM. Leaning town.

Leelou - Her usual schitck of "gunning for inactives" makes me feel she is town. She is more into finding mistakes and turning it back to accuse town when she is wolf. As in she puts more effort than this. I don't see anything much with the Verbal-Leelou-Cory thing early in the day

Verbal - NOt a lot to go with. Just that minor argument with Cory early in the game. Like me, he is not a weekend player and I can see that here as the main reason for his posts or lack of it.

Dicetosser - Other than his vote on Ocicat, I don't see anything substantial in his posts. Seems to me he is just there. At the same time, a wolfy dice would be more opportunistic which I don't see here. Null.
 

TinaHel - Few posts from her (more than me though !). Her opening post seems a bit hurried but I think it is more of a lack of time rather than anything. Null for now.

 

Eldrick - I have played one game with Eldrick where he was town. I am getting a similar vibe here. There was an theory that he could be Loki but that is irrelevant as of now. I think we can get more from him based on his votes and see how he goes. He voted for Sili  for vote hop thing, but that is a weak reason for a vote, but I can see where he is coming from if he is playing with Sili for the first time. Leaning town.

Taborline (mentored by Yates) - Not played with her before. So, don't have much experience on her meta. The thing that stands out is that she has some reads but has not voted anyone. Playing safe or unsure of what to do? Null.

Ocicat - Playing for the first time with him. He has some posts but since I don't know his meta, I don't see much in that. His vote on me though is interesting. But, as a new player, I can understand why he voted me. 

Wishleste [wishtree/celeste hydra] - Have played only one game with them. Frankly, I can't say much without seeing some flips and voting patterns. Null.

Sooh - Sooh has been just there. A minor conversation with Cory. Still has some good posts here and there. Null.

Talya - Her posts during the Leelou-Verbal-Cory conversation felt as if she was hedging and trying to look townie. I did not like her vote on Wish, which seems a bit sudden and not organic. Not sure but I am seeing something between Mish-Talya here - coincidences in reads, out-of-the blue conversations etc. I am leaning scum.

Mish - I don't feel really good about Mish, based on the handful of posts from her. Her vote on Len seems a bit forced and this was when Len was getting heat. Her conversation with Len looked like she was subtly nudging him as she was defending. My best bet for scum on D1.

 

Want to put these side by side to see if anything pops out

 

Something else really bothered me

[Cory Caboose]

 

PRAL AS A VILLAGER AS TOP WAGON

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Sili (2) - jmm, CorMish
Tommy (2) - Tina, Lenlo
Pral (5) - Sleeper, Tommy, Manbat, Sarmtosser, HalliYates
Manbat (1) - Pral

Lenlo (1) - Sili

 

Not voting (1): Err


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, December 10 @ 8:30 PM MST
Countdown Link: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141210T2030&p0=197&msg=DAY+ONE+DEADLINE&csz=1

MOD NOTES:
* Mish will be unavailable from now until Thursday, December 11

 

 

Yeah, whatever guys. If you don't like my reads, I can't help it but I have a good feeling about it myself.

Anyway, I an vanilla. I won't be on deadline because it is something like 8:00 AM here and way before my waking up time. And, I like my vote where it is.

 

PRAL IN THIS GAME AS TOP WAGON

 

 

I actually hate that Pral isn't voting.

I don't see a point. My main vote would be Sooh or Talya. But, that is going to go nowhere.

I am not sure of Verbal. I don't think he is scum. If it comes to that, I will consolidate either on myself or verbal.

I will be on during the deadline.

 

 

Somewhat BOTHERED that Pral had no problem being a one-vote wagon and being stubborn about it as a villager

But in the same scenario here, he says its "pointless"

 

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh