Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Taborline]

And some other various things:

 

Verbal and Leelou are close friends and have been playing Mafia together for quite a few years and have extensive experience with each other. It's absolutely nothing out of the ordinary to see them form a one-two punch early, as they have a pretty natural chemistry and like working together. It also means almost nothing to either of their alignments, afaict.

 

If you are weighing that "cory was an easy push / easy person to case" in your read of Leelou I legitimately suggest you discard that. There are plenty of other reason to think Leelou may be a wolf for trying to provoke a response from me (one of them being I would ~probably think it was villagery), but here's some knowledge on me if you care: I have played some 300+ long games and in those games my mislynch rate is > 1%. I am probably currently the most annoying, loud and self-involved player on DM. But in my entire mafia career I have been mislynched once (and way back, I modkilled myself once to prevent a mislynch when I was a more selfish and antagonistic player), so you can pretty easily discard the notion that Leelou would be scum trying to push an "easy target".

 

Bolded: That's just the sort of thing I wanted to know, thank you. That nulls that line of thought.

 

I never thought she was trying to push you as an easy target, but rather casting an easy vote to be seen as NOT really pushing for any one person specifically. It was an easy train to get on in order to lay low.

 

And that's one damn good record you have. 

[Cory Caboose]

I would discard your tinfoil and paranoia and do your best to listen to me and the things I think instead

 

It'll serve you far better in the long run

 

Also feel free to ask my questions about what it is I am doing, if I feel friendly enough I may even answer

[Cory Caboose]

I never thought she was trying to push you as an easy target, but rather casting an easy vote to be seen as NOT really pushing for any one person specifically.

 

Okay this is workable 

[Taborline]

I would discard your tinfoil and paranoia and do your best to listen to me and the things I think instead

 

It'll serve you far better in the long run

 

Also feel free to ask my questions about what it is I am doing, if I feel friendly enough I may even answer

 

I will keep this in mind

[michellem]

Tab, if Cory is mafia, he won't get caught D1. Later on, it'll become obvious though. So don't worry about that :) He's also the best D1 town player I've ever met. So generally, trust him D1, then start looking at him from D2 onwards

[Taborline]

Tab, if Cory is mafia, he won't get caught D1. Later on, it'll become obvious though. So don't worry about that :) He's also the best D1 town player I've ever met. So generally, trust him D1, then start looking at him from D2 onwards

 

Okay Thank you both.

[Cory Caboose]

Tab, if Cory is mafia, he won't get caught D1. Later on, it'll become obvious though. So don't worry about that :) He's also the best D1 town player I've ever met. So generally, trust him D1, then start looking at him from D2 onwards

 

           

[Talya]

Is it a good time to confess I killed a cat today >.>

[Taborline]

Is it a good time to confess I killed a cat today >.>

 

 

Oh my! That's awful 

[Talya]

I was doing 70 miles an hour and it ran out in front of me, but I had no where to stop to check it (busy main road)

[Taborline]

Hopefully it was so fast it didn't even know.

[Talya]

So do I...I could even see, by the time I looked back cars were in the way :(

 

There were no houses anywhere near there neither so not sure where it can from

 

Anyway back to the game...

 

ISO'd Mish

 

 

 

 

-Fluff post

-Catch up post - doesn't feel good about Len, on his ISO of me and him posting post counts. Likes Sili, Cory and Leelou. First game with Eld and Ocicat. JS feels relaxed. Feeling good about Wisheste VOTES LEN

-Responds to Len, abut reading his posts and felt there was no game solve.

-Talks about when she last played and what she does when wolf

- Answers sili that she thought Celeste was more engaged in the game

 

 

 

Also feeling good about Wisheste, Celeste seems more "on" and Wish more relaxed than TUS.

Might be significant. I haven't found CEleste to be particularly 'on the ball' regardless of her alignment. Could be confirmation bias. meh.
 
@Mish* can you elaborate?

 

 
She feels more attuned to the thread than TUS, wich is my only other experience with her. There her posts felt more like "I post because I have to to look good", whereas here I feel like she's been more engaged.
 
 
 

Also with what Mish pointed out with the Verbal/Tayla/Leelou chat it looks odd to be but I can't quite but my finger on it.

 

I cannot remember saying anything like that...
 

[v]Tayla[/v] It's a gut vibe mostly.

 

I'd like more of a reason than that tnx.
 

 

Yo Len....thats not my thinking, my thinking was just that ure usually more laid back thats all.  Hopefully no offence was caused cause none was EVER meant

Nah that wasnt directed at anyone, no one offended me. Just wanted to explain jokey len who does nothing every game is dead.

 

 

These posts, combined with how you responded to me, makes the iffy feeling you have me earlier go away. It explains quite a lot.

 

[unvote]
 

[v]Mish[/v]

 

Y? You said something about things stated earlier in thread, but all I can remember seeing earlier is a percentage.

 

 

Not sure why the formatting goes...arggh!!

 

Bolded Black - Mish is right here at no point does she mention Leelou/Verb/Cory/Me - Celeste can you please explain why you said this and clarify?

 

Bolded blue - Not fully understand this, how does it explain things can you (Mish) please expand on that.

 

And that's about it

 

 

 

Mish, do you have any further reads from your last one (nearly two days ago). Do you still feel the same for those you thought town? Who do you have now in your scum pile?

 

I also had a quick look at Celeste and Wish - All they have done is fluff posts, also asked questions but more to the general about if that's normal of people. Wish a coupld of times asks for thoughts, but they don't seem to go back to anything. They haven't given any indication of who they think is town and who isn't, nor any game solving. The only time is when they try to push Eld could be Loki, because of his question. not feeling good about this slot.

 

@Celeste/Wish - you said you were going to look at Lenlo - what did you find. What are your current reads?

[Cory Caboose]

Poor Talya :(

[Talya]

It wasn't a pleasant experience :(

 

It was a Black Cat as well...is that really bad luck, although it did cross in front of me

[Cory Caboose]

I'll use my weird universe-likes-me powers to cancel out your bad luck. This one is a freebie on me, but try to avoid ladders and mirrors in the future.

[Talya]

Why thank you...I will certainly avoid them like the plague!

 

Cory - what is your opinion on Celeste/Wish?

[Cory Caboose]

I don't really know how to read either of them particularly well

 

I would guess villager on a few things I remember (wish took a certain line with me IRT to my read of her I thought was less likely to come from her as a wolf and Celeste seems a little more engaged than TUS where she was a wolf, but that was a weird game) but it's not at the confidence level where I would take them out of my greys

[Cory Caboose]

I am going to try and read through everything again and see if that clears up anything for me

[Talya]

I'm going to have to do that too. But it will be tomorrow, it's been a long day today.

[Taborline]

Looking back (I'm on page 13), I feel more confident in John Snow as town. He votes for Sili based on knowing Sili's style (saying he's off), which Dice tries to shoot down by saying he can't know what Sili's style is. JS then goes for Sooh in a back and forth which demonstrates he does know something about her style, and then he unvotes her.

 

It looks to me like provoking two people he feels he can read well, and trying to rule them out, which would be good town solving. 

[Kivam]

VOTE COUNT

 

John Snow (1) - Dice
Eldrick (1)  - Lenlo
Ocicat (1) -  Tina
Talya (1) - WishLESTE
Mish (1) - Sili
Sili (1) - Eldrick
 
Not voting (11): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, Sili, Ocicat, Keyboose, John Snow, Mish
 
9 to lynch

 

A DEADLINE WILL BE SET ON MONDAY.  No Majority = No lynch

[Niniel]

@Tina - I'll answer you in depth when I get a chance to ISO her. Right now, slightly uneasy which means she's most likely town. 

 

 

@Tina - do you want my thoughts too, or specifically only Cory?

 

Regardless, I am going to gice them to you .

 

Need more from Verb, but it's the weekend, so that will have to wait.

 

I like Lee's play so far. I mentioned it earlier, but she's involved and not jumping on easy bait, imo.

 

Tal seemed slightly wolfy to me when I stopped reading before. I'll have to see if she's said anything new that sticks outm

 

Of course! Should have written Cory/Key. I don´t agree about Leelou, and does she ever jump on easy baits? 

 

Not a fan of Tina's vote. I think Ocicat is a hella easy target.

 

Easy in what way?

 

@tina - why did you vote me in the first place?

 

It was just my first vote. On page 1 I think. 

 

 

Got a little time to make this post.

 

In the past I have been able to read Sili well but I haven´t played with him in a long time. From the start he looked town, jumping all around. Then I was starting to think that he was setting up platforms for future lynches. But then I really liked his vote on Ocicat. I think post 342 was good and also that he questioned Celeste. I didn´t like Ocicat´s answer. I will +1 Sili´s reasons and 

 

[unvote]

 

[v] Ocicat [/v]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Something about Leelou-Verbal-CoryKey-Talya seems strange. 

 

1. Cory mentions mafia could have had four days to chat. I don´t think that shows any alignment.

2. Leelou votes him for possible tmi. That seemed like a weak vote.

3. Then Cory gets annoyed and, after getting permission from Kivam, says that he and Key has shared a qt for four days.

4. Leelou then asks Verbal what he thinks about that. Not strange that he asks him of his oppinion but...

5. Verbal then says that (basically) annoyed Cory is town. And then Leelou unvote and say that she wanted to clear Cory early. 

 

I thought the vote in itself was weak but she is now townreading Cory because of this. It seems like a bit too easy. 

 

But then we have Talya that didn´t want Leelou to vote or mention anything so that Cory could have revealed more (?? I think that is what she means.) She says that this doesn´t look good for Leelou. What does this mean? That she thinks Cory was mafia and Leelou too? Leelou thinks Talya jumped on it too quick. Talya said that she did so because Leelou never gave a reason to begin with. (But when she did, she didn´t think Leelou should have mentioned it.) 

 

Cory: what do you think about Leelou, Verbal and Talya?

Leelou: what do you think about Talya?

Talya: What do you think about Leelou? 

Verb: What do you think about Leelou and Talya? 

 

I usually don´t ask questions like this but it seems like it was a "knot" that has been left unsolved. (At least to me.)

 

 

 

Sooh looks town to me so far. I think she answered Snow good when he questioned her in the beginning.

To clarify, I thought if Leelou was thinking Cory was setting people up, letting him run with and catch him at it would have been better. By her saying what she was voting for means she would never know...so defeated the object of what she was thinking.

 

At present not sure on Leelou, she didn't get too flustered over me talking to her. The way she pulled the vote off Cory could be taken a number of ways. The thing I did like was her interaction with Verb, and his interaction with her...so at the moment slight town read

 

 

Okay. So you thought she was town at the time and didn´t act well. I get it now. 

 

 

 

uhuh. 

 

 

From what I conjecture already, OCicat is one who lurks and keeps notes and irregularly comments. When he does comment, it's often tangential or queer.

 

Because he is a heteroclitic player, according to you, should I conclude he is not be compelled to respond to pressure? And even though he pushed JS over something really minute, does he not find other topics worthy of being noted? Or, if his vote was made to garner a response, why not follow up on said response and continue to engage the thread?

 

I checked his account. I know he is around.

 

If he is not responding to pressure how is one supposed to read him based on an inexistent reaction?

 

 

For the record I HATE when people do this. It means nothing!  People use it saying "he posted here.."  So?? people post in threads other then mafia some even have responsibilitys to do so. 

 

Other people like me leave the DM window open and go to bed so it will show im online but im not active.

 

Also sometimes a player doesnt post because they have nothing to say! Thats not lurking imo they could be totally upto date  its just not interacting. if they only pop in at OPPORTUNE times for them then THATS lurking.

 

And someone tell me what the Red possibly tells you about alignment? Cause either Town or Scum or 3rd party could do this.

 

 

 

Also because people wanna start posting post counts again Im about to make a point of how that doesnt mean much either

 

 

Thanks, Dice! 

 

I didn't realize until writing it out how much not having a read on Tina's slot bothered me

 

I can usually clear her like 10-12 posts when she is a villager and she can attest to this

 

She has posted, she did make a post with CONTENT, and I still really have no sense of ease with her

 

That's probably a really bad sign

 

Yes, I can defenitely attest to this. I don´t think you have ever been wrong about me. I´m sorry but I won´t give you much to work with today either. Rl has not been nice to me this weekend and I need to go to bed. Actually, I should already be in bed. But my rl problems should be better tomorrow afternoon and I will be back then. 

 

Is it a good time to confess I killed a cat today >.>

 

Poor you! And poor cat!

 

 

 

 

I´ve just skimmed the thread enough to quote the posts that interested me or involved me in some way. About Leelou: what felt really wrong about it all was that she voted Cory over something like that and then unvoted with a "wanted to townread you early". It felt really fake to me - both the vote and the way she cleared Cory. I know that she trust Verbal, but still it doesn´t look good to me. I also don´t agree with Verbal that Cory being emo (not the word he choose but something like that) is a town tell. It has been a long time since I played with Cory but I remember one our first game that we played together where he was third party and went pretty emo for a while.

 

For the record - I have Cory/Key as town right now, but I didn´t by this time in the game. 

 

 

I´ll continue with Oci tomorrow. I still haven´t seen anything really good from him yet. 

 

If you have any questions I will be here for like 8 more minutes. 

[Niniel]

Oh, forgot to comment on the Leelou quote above. Why is uneasy = town?

[Cory Caboose]

Feel better Tina I hope everything is alright 

 

Take your time

[Niniel]

Thanks.