Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

Cory Caboose · August 30, 2015

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wish-tree · August 30, 2015

BLUE are people I think are villagers 99%+ of the time.

GREEN are people I think are villagers like 80-90% of the time depending on placement. In the last used I used a darker shade of green for JS and Sili which would put them in, say, a 85-90% bracket.

LIGHT GREEN are people I think are slightly > rand to be villagers. Basically they have done enough things where I would guess they are a villager but it's thin to the point where I'm not comfortable with giving them a strong lean. I am rarely wrong on my blues and greens in general, but a wolf slips into my light greens now and then and I'm aware of it.

GREY are people I think are = rand to me. I have no opinion on these people in correlation to players in a different bracket. They are mysteries.

ORANGE are players who I think are slightly to reasonably > rand to be wolves. I always have players on a draining system of town equity so sometimes null players slip into here depending on thread environment, etc. Really just depends on the way things are going and the level of content and behavior.

RED are players who I think are wolves more than like 70% of the time to just plain old outed wolves. If I have someone in here, you can be damn sure I have a good reason for putting them there.

Okay, thank you :3

Celeste · August 30, 2015

I find Verbal's silence to be odd. Is he not active usually?

Cory Caboose · August 30, 2015

VOTE COUNT

Sili (1) - KeyBOOSE

John Snow (2) - Ocicat, Dice

Eldrick (1) - Lenlo

Ocicat (2) - Eldrick, Tina

Lenlo (2) - John Snow, Mish

Not voting (9): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Wishleste, Talya, Sooh, Sili

9 to lynch

Colored in for my convenience

Meh

Not sure if I have the balls to go hard at Verbal aorn but the way he was prodding Leelou along and just his general tone and demeanor seems so much like his wolf game and it like hit all of my inner cory senses but he's never really a "strong" d1 lynch

More things for me to digest, not really feeling like my reads are particularly amazing, need to reassess and readjust and get my head into it 100%

wish-tree · August 30, 2015

I guess I should also admit freely that Celeste and Ocicat being linked at the hip tilts me to no end. -_-

Tilts... How scandalous. You jelly? Hahahaha

Cory Caboose · August 30, 2015

I find Verbal's silence to be odd. Is he not active usually?

He's almost always gone during the weekends, but he had some content earlier, particularly IRT to me and Leelou's little spat

Cory Caboose · August 30, 2015

I guess I should also admit freely that Celeste and Ocicat being linked at the hip tilts me to no end. -_-

Tilts... How scandalous. You jelly? Hahahaha

He's using tilt as in the poker term:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt_(poker)

Tilt is a poker term for a state of mental or emotional confusion or frustration in which a player adopts a less than optimal strategy.

wish-tree · August 30, 2015

stfu lenore

...Cory...

Well, I'm here, after being drained from extroverting.

A few observations:

Sili seems to get serious way too quickly. That just happened in the last game we were playing in. And you wanna know why? He was distancing from me, who was joke voting.

Possible correlations between Ocicat mistake/joke vote and Sili calling him out on it? Perhaps.

I, for one, don't know how Ocicat plays. I'll defer to Alette when trying to read him, but I prefer to assign null (leaning towards scummy) for anyone I don't know well. Lurking and not posting doesn't seem indicative of alignment, and neither does not knowing who is even playing. I make that mistake a lot. But default: *narrows eyes* Null-scummy until you prove yourselves unblemished.

Areas of confusion: don't get drunk Cory.

Possibilities: Eldrich possible Loki because of his disappointment at Kivam revealing Loki win con on thread-> argument espoused by a few, like John Snow.

Does JS drop the argument because Eldrich is too experienced to make that kind of slip? Hmm. Why the focus on Loki? I would think that scum would be more concerned about eliminating Loki than town, as someone previously mentioned.

^My recap, from what I remember.

2nd time your hydra has tried to misrep me. Do it again and I'm lynching you on policy.

IMO the only thing the Eldrick as Loki argument had going for it was that I thought he was newish. Since he's not, I don't buy into it at all.

You're too cute <3 Please favor us with your love.

Please rep yourself properly, then.

wish-tree · August 30, 2015

I guess I should also admit freely that Celeste and Ocicat being linked at the hip tilts me to no end. -_-

Tilts... How scandalous. You jelly? Hahahaha

He's using tilt as in the poker term:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt_(poker)

Tilt is a poker term for a state of mental or emotional confusion or frustration in which a player adopts a less than optimal strategy.

>.< Ah. Darn. I thought I had a chance to tease Sili.

Celeste · August 30, 2015

I guess I should also admit freely that Celeste and Ocicat being linked at the hip tilts me to no end. -_-

Why?

dicetosser1 · August 30, 2015

i always think of Tilt as in Pinball. Where u hit the machine too hard and everything froze. kinda take it as Someones eyes rolling in their head unable to make up from down

wish-tree · August 30, 2015

i always think of Tilt as in Pinball. Where u hit the machine too hard and everything froze. kinda take it as Someones eyes rolling in their head unable to make up from down

Omg. <3

*pockets openly*

wish-tree · August 30, 2015

Ey. I need to leave to play pool. See ya later losers.

Cory Caboose · August 30, 2015

i always think of Tilt as in Pinball. Where u hit the machine too hard and everything froze. kinda take it as Someones eyes rolling in their head unable to make up from down

That's actually where the poker term comes from

Basically when you "tilt" a pinball machine modern pinball machines will freeze your flippers so that you are basically guaranteed to lose the ball

The idea being that something causes you enough turmoil and frustration that you start to do things that actually increase your chance of losing

Because you know if you start tilting the machine, you are going to lose the ball regardless, but people do it anyway

Cause they're TILTED

Dice gets a brownie knowledge point

Celeste · August 30, 2015

Also with what Mish pointed out with the Verbal/Tayla/Leelou chat it looks odd to be but I can't quite but my finger on it.

Songstress · August 30, 2015

Dice gets a brownie knowledge point

I really appreciated the explanation of this terminology.

Also, I want a brownie now. :mad:

Cory Caboose · August 30, 2015

Tina in full for all curious souls:

Good morning! I have a birthday party later today so I will probably not be here much until tomorrow.

[v] Sili [/v]

oh hey its started.

a couple days ago i think i wanted to vote john snow, for completely arbitrary reasons, so I'll do that.

[v]John Snow[/v]

Hard claiming Gladiator. So come at me bro.

I think I should counter-claim Gladiator now :)

lol

I have read and taken notes up to page 10. I´ll continue to read and hopefully post some thoughts later today.

Hi Tina!

What's bouncing around in your head ATM?

Too much is bouncing around because rl doesn´t want me to sit down for more than 15 minutes at a time. I´ll come back later with some reads, when I get enough time to write it all down.

Got a little time to make this post.

In the past I have been able to read Sili well but I haven´t played with him in a long time. From the start he looked town, jumping all around. Then I was starting to think that he was setting up platforms for future lynches. But then I really liked his vote on Ocicat. I think post 342 was good and also that he questioned Celeste. I didn´t like Ocicat´s answer. I will +1 Sili´s reasons and

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[v] Ocicat [/v]

Something about Leelou-Verbal-CoryKey-Talya seems strange.

1. Cory mentions mafia could have had four days to chat. I don´t think that shows any alignment.

2. Leelou votes him for possible tmi. That seemed like a weak vote.

3. Then Cory gets annoyed and, after getting permission from Kivam, says that he and Key has shared a qt for four days.

4. Leelou then asks Verbal what he thinks about that. Not strange that he asks him of his oppinion but...

5. Verbal then says that (basically) annoyed Cory is town. And then Leelou unvote and say that she wanted to clear Cory early.

I thought the vote in itself was weak but she is now townreading Cory because of this. It seems like a bit too easy.

But then we have Talya that didn´t want Leelou to vote or mention anything so that Cory could have revealed more (?? I think that is what she means.) She says that this doesn´t look good for Leelou. What does this mean? That she thinks Cory was mafia and Leelou too? Leelou thinks Talya jumped on it too quick. Talya said that she did so because Leelou never gave a reason to begin with. (But when she did, she didn´t think Leelou should have mentioned it.)

Cory: what do you think about Leelou, Verbal and Talya?

Leelou: what do you think about Talya?

Talya: What do you think about Leelou?

Verb: What do you think about Leelou and Talya?

I usually don´t ask questions like this but it seems like it was a "knot" that has been left unsolved. (At least to me.)

Sooh looks town to me so far. I think she answered Snow good when he questioned her in the beginning.

Nothing screams "she is a villager" - the Leelou/Tayla/Me tiff had been discussed already by a few people. But it's a small sample size so I'm fine with giving her some more time to get engaged in the game.

Cory Caboose · August 30, 2015

I really appreciated the explanation of this terminology.

Also, I want a brownie now.

As long as I am alive I will try to operate as official Sili Translator for you.

*gives you dark chocolate*

I is good internet husband yes?

Cory Caboose · August 30, 2015

Tress what's bothering you about Leelou?

She's one of the people I am least confident in keeping in my light green pile and she's a slippery lass and her "trolling me to get a reaction" is definitely a stunt I could see a wolfteam pulling to try and level me (see: Tom in any game where we are w/v) so I'm not confident in just clearing someone because they were willing to go @ me

Would love your take!

Celeste · August 30, 2015

@Tress What are your thoughts if you haven't said them?

dicetosser1 · August 30, 2015

i always think of Tilt as in Pinball. Where u hit the machine too hard and everything froze. kinda take it as Someones eyes rolling in their head unable to make up from down

Omg. <3

*pockets openly*

Lold in RL

Ey. I need to leave to play pool. See ya later losers.

Pockets Wish for this. Been FAR too long since i played pool

Dice gets a brownie knowledge point

I really appreciated the explanation of this terminology.

Also, I want a brownie now.

Eats the Brownie

Songstress · August 30, 2015

Tress what's bothering you about Leelou?

She's one of the people I am least confident in keeping in my light green pile and she's a slippery lass and her "trolling me to get a reaction" is definitely a stunt I could see a wolfteam pulling to try and level me (see: Tom in any game where we are w/v) so I'm not confident in just clearing someone because they were willing to go @ me

Would love your take!

I'll have to re-read to see if I still feel that way, it's mainly a memory of thinking something struck me as weird when she went after you. She went on record as saying she didn't believe that the mafia had 4 days to plan before the game started, but then voted you for TMI when you suggested they did. It might have made perfect sense to everyone else but I just made a little note of it to mull over further.

Songstress · August 30, 2015

@Tress What are your thoughts if you haven't said them?

Very nebulous. :smile:

I gave a few quick impressions earlier, but I am being lazy today and waiting to do a full reread until tomorrow. There are a lot of people I haven't really thought much about yet or nothing has stuck in my mind one way or another. I work mainly on gut reads and meta D1 because not knowing anyone's alignment I tend to overthink what everything could possibly mean and get mired in paranoia and mixed feelings and am completely useless. :laugh:

My gut reads are pretty decent though, especially where certain people are concerned. *winks at Dice*

Songstress · August 30, 2015

I really appreciated the explanation of this terminology.

Also, I want a brownie now.

As long as I am alive I will try to operate as official Sili Translator for you.

*gives you dark chocolate*

I is good internet husband yes?

The best. :happy:

dicetosser1 · August 30, 2015

@Tress What are your thoughts if you haven't said them?

Very nebulous.

I gave a few quick impressions earlier, but I am being lazy today and waiting to do a full reread until tomorrow. There are a lot of people I haven't really thought much about yet or nothing has stuck in my mind one way or another. I work mainly on gut reads and meta D1 because not knowing anyone's alignment I tend to overthink what everything could possibly mean and get mired in paranoia and mixed feelings and am completely useless.

My gut reads are pretty decent though, especially where certain people are concerned. *winks at Dice*

winks at Tress. Its good to see you are as accurate as usual.

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