Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Songstress]

Mostly your null read on our only flipped scum at this point.

 

[it was a continuing theme throughout D1 from what I saw - but I'm not sure your interactions with her at the start of D2 would be w/w. Then again you weren't talking about anything really substantive.

 

I have you a question mark currently, and that worries me.

 

I could point out that Cory and Pral were also null on Wishleste at that point, but whatever.  I hadn't finished my reread of D1 and was vague on a lot of things, and you should remember from previous games just how wishy washy I am on D1 reads, especially when I'm not familiar with the players.

 

Keep reading, if you don't have a firm read on me by the time you finish, then maybe we should talk more.

[Lenlo]

 

 

My current theory is that if someone targets Loki, everything gets scrambled. If that were the case, we could figure it out by who is being targeted. But that's only useful if we all decide to test it.

 

As the game currently stands, I feel the NA's are 100% useless until Loki is taken out.

 

Please. Stop. With the theorycrafting. It gets us nowhere. 

 

Besides even if we were to test your theory, I can almost guarantee you scum wouldn't go with it if they had PR's, cause they benefit more than we do so long as Loki is alive. Since town is more PR dependent, if only alittle, than scum.

 

Focus on casing people if you can rather than these theories.

 

Thanks for paying attention to my post. I thought calling the NA's useless would say that I was giving up until Loki was dead. It's not my fault that I want to know how the game is working.

 

I did pay attention. And unless you or someone else says something explicitly, I am not going to assume you meant anything other than what you said.

 

This is so silly though. You get onto me for apparently not reading your post enough, saying you were basically giving up until Loki is dead, and then immediately go back to saying you want to know how the game is working and all this stuff. Heres the thing, we wont know how the game works until its over most likely. Do you see the quote in Kivs sig? Its something dastardly! He did something to earn that quote!

 

Eldrick still probably a villager though, despite that foolishness.

How do you get this?

 

Cause I would still want him lynched if it wasnt for how the Wishleste lynch went down.

[Andrej]

Cory and Pral's reads don't justify yours, so idk why you bring that up.

 

But yeah, you're right - I do remember that you're pretty... hesitant to start but I'm not gonna give you a pass just because it's your meta because frankly I don't think it would be that hard to fake.

 

And okay. I'll let you know where I'm at when I'm finished. I just started D2 and still pressing onward. Doubt I finish tonight but hopefully I'll be fully caught up before I go to bed tomorrow.

[Andrej]

 

Eldrick still probably a villager though, despite that foolishness.

 

How do you get this?

 

Cause I would still want him lynched if it wasnt for how the Wishleste lynch went down.

 

Soulreads. I really really doubt that Eldrick could fake this amount of involvement if he weren't innocent.

 

I also don't think it's a hard conclusion to come to. So what does that say about you, Len?

[Songstress]

Cory and Pral's reads don't justify yours, so idk why you bring that up.

I brought it up because they're both flipped, proven town and both of them were null on the only flipped mafia on D1 as well.  You bring up the fact that I was null on them like it was something to be terribly concerned about.

 

If that's all you have, then you're really trying to dig for something.

[Andrej]

Again - their reads, just because they're proven - doesn't vet you at all. So??

 

I said you were a concern because I am seeing the game through tinted lenses considering I have post-flip info while reading.

 

So yes, when I see that you have a known scum as a null read I think this is questionable. Pointing to dead townies to justify YOUR read doesn't change anything.

[Lenlo]

 

 

Eldrick still probably a villager though, despite that foolishness.

 

How do you get this?

 

Cause I would still want him lynched if it wasnt for how the Wishleste lynch went down.

 

Soulreads. I really really doubt that Eldrick could fake this amount of involvement if he weren't innocent.

 

I also don't think it's a hard conclusion to come to. So what does that say about you, Len?

 

What does it say about me? How bout you finish reading and figure it out for yourself tough guy.

 

Cause I have never played with Eldrick before so I have no way of "soul reading" him. All I have is this game, and the conclusion I came to this game until the Wishleste lynch was he was not town. Maybe Loki, Maybe scum, hadnt decided but I wanted him lynched.

[Andrej]

@Tress - this really isn't any different than a player who started from D1 that goes back now in D3 to look at interactions and goes, "Hey - Tress seemed to be rather ambivalent/ambiguous/noncommittal about this slot that is known mafia". I really don't think it's unreasonable of me to think that you are slightly suspect for this stance, regardless of it being D1 and ESPECIALLY regardless of how other players were reading them - like that somehow absolves YOU OF YOUR READ. That was seriously a bad defense.

[Andrej]

I certainly will, Lenlo.

 

But from what I've seen from the past 94 pages, I highly doubt that Eldrick is scum. So yes, your stance for wanting to lynch him that hasn't seemed to have progressed from D1 is a bit questionable.

[Songstress]

Again - their reads, just because they're proven - doesn't vet you at all. So??

 

I said you were a concern because I am seeing the game through tinted lenses considering I have post-flip info while reading.

 

So yes, when I see that you have a known scum as a null read I think this is questionable. Pointing to dead townies to justify YOUR read doesn't change anything.

 

You aren't getting the point, or you're refusing to see it.

 

I'm not trying to justify my reads by pointing to Pral and Cory, they were what they were.  The fact that you are pointing out my null read on them as a reason for concern when there were other proven townies with the same read feels like a stretch.  

 

But keep reading.  If you feel like you have a case on me, make it.  Then I'll decide whether I think any differently about your slot's play.

[Lenlo]

I certainly will, Lenlo.

 

But from what I've seen from the past 94 pages, I highly doubt that Eldrick is scum. So yes, your stance for wanting to lynch him that hasn't seemed to have progressed from D1 is a bit questionable.

Keep reading. As I said, based on how Wishleste treated him and backed me up in my push of him early on I came to the conclusion that he is probable town. Bad town imo, but still town.

[Songstress]

@Tress - this really isn't any different than a player who started from D1 that goes back now in D3 to look at interactions and goes, "Hey - Tress seemed to be rather ambivalent/ambiguous/noncommittal about this slot that is known mafia". I really don't think it's unreasonable of me to think that you are slightly suspect for this stance, regardless of it being D1 and ESPECIALLY regardless of how other players were reading them - like that somehow absolves YOU OF YOUR READ. That was seriously a bad defense.

 

That. Was. Not.  A. Defense.

 

I said "I could point it out, but whatever."  I took responsibility for my own LACK OF READ, thank you very much.

[Andrej]

Lenlo we can agree on that.

[Andrej]

Tress, I don't think YOU are getting it.

 

Just because dead townies had a "similar" read as you on D1 doesn't make your read any better or like excuse you from it. Just because they flipped town doesn't mean you are - this is elementary.

[Lenlo]

Lenlo we can agree on that.

Truly a rare occurrence.

[Songstress]

Tress, I don't think YOU are getting it.

 

Just because dead townies had a "similar" read as you on D1 doesn't make your read any better or like excuse you from it. Just because they flipped town doesn't mean you are - this is elementary.

 

AJ.

 

Just stop. 

 

 

Finish reading the damn game and get back to me if you feel like casing me.

 

I will say this.  If you can't tell I'm town by the time you're done, then you have no idea how to read me.

[Andrej]

Sure.

 

Though I've never claimed to be able to read you, so I guess GL me?

[Songstress]

Sure.

 

Though I've never claimed to be able to read you, so I guess GL me?

 

GL indeed.

 

Talk to Cory sometime about it, or Clov.  They're pretty good at it.

 

In any case, I'll wait until you're done reading.  Talk to me about your concerns when you've seen the whole picture.

[Andrej]

Yeah - but I'm like way better than both of them, so.. ya'know, whatever

 

I think I may be stopping for the night. I'm on pg 96 and I feel like I'm starting to not comprehend as much as I should be. Eyes are glazing over, the whole shebang.

[Andrej]

[v]Verbal[/v] He's just odd all around. His tone and the fact that he isn't around much. Also I see little content in his posts.

 

One thing though - not sure how to interpret this vote which came immediately after Sili turned his attention to Celeste.

 

Also dislike how she was all 'why aren't you voting Verb now?' as if trying to turn Sili back to his D1 scum read. As much as I dislike the notion considering what I have seen, I think this may be good for Verb.

 

Not sure I would hold my breath yet, though.

[michellem]

 

 

 

 

 

And Mish could easily be Loki...

I go from being town to being Loki in two posts? Wow.

 

Riddle me this: If I was Loki, would I start the discussion on NA's D2? Give town information just like that? What would I earn from that as Loki?

I said before about it being difficult to find Loki and that they could be looking town. I have you as Town, but doesn't mean I don't think you can't be Loki. You would earn looking town. Anyone could be Loki, I said that because I had just named you town, but you are not off my Loki list, no one is :p

 

Do you think I would

 

 

 

Ugh my phone autoposted wth

 

 

 

 

 

And Mish could easily be Loki...

 

I go from being town to being Loki in two posts? Wow.

 

Riddle me this: If I was Loki, would I start the discussion on NA's D2? Give town information just like that? What would I earn from that as Loki?

 

 

I said before about it being difficult to find Loki and that they could be looking town. I have you as Town, but doesn't mean I don't think you can't be Loki. You would earn looking town. Anyone could be Loki, I said that because I had just named you town, but you are not off my Loki list, no one is :p

 

 

Do you think Loki knows exactly the way he affects the game/? Do you think it's plausible that I would be able to guess correctly about NA's if I was Loki to start the conversation I did at the beginning of D2? If Loki is a superredirector, he knows parts. But would he know that Kiv forbids saying the exact results you get? Eld confirmed that he wasn't allowed to say so either. Every single thing I brought up he confirmed. Do you think if I'm Loki I would have all the information about how Kiv communicates with the ones who get results, to be able to fake it at the level I did?

 

You brought up the possibility. You gotta stand for it now.

 

 

 

 

This could very easily be nothing, but Mish's phone apparently sent a message before she had time to word it the way she wanted. The way she started the first one isn't how her finished post reads. Very suspicious that she would start off talking about how SHE would... and then talks about how LOKI would ...

 

I started writing a sentence, couldn't figure out how to formulate what I wanted to say, and I was gonna delete it and try over. It posted when I hit "enter" instead of "backspace", or a combo of both buttons or something. Nothing more to it than that.

[michellem]

Btw, does anyone (Verb?) know what makes posts autopost? It's happened to me several times, both on the phone and on the computer. But I've rarely seen it happen to others.
It sems to be some combo of buttons but I'm not sure wich combo exactly.

[Eldrick4221]

I hate rereads and ISOs. If I didn't see anything the first time, chances are I won't with a reread either. Trying to figure Tab out. I'm not seeing anything scummy, so I guess I'm gonna go with a slight town lean. I can't think of anything substantial she's done, so it's only a slight one.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Mish could easily be Loki...

I go from being town to being Loki in two posts? Wow.

 

Riddle me this: If I was Loki, would I start the discussion on NA's D2? Give town information just like that? What would I earn from that as Loki?

I said before about it being difficult to find Loki and that they could be looking town. I have you as Town, but doesn't mean I don't think you can't be Loki. You would earn looking town. Anyone could be Loki, I said that because I had just named you town, but you are not off my Loki list, no one is :p

 

Do you think I would

 

 

 

Ugh my phone autoposted wth

 

 

 

 

 

And Mish could easily be Loki...

 

I go from being town to being Loki in two posts? Wow.

 

Riddle me this: If I was Loki, would I start the discussion on NA's D2? Give town information just like that? What would I earn from that as Loki?

 

 

I said before about it being difficult to find Loki and that they could be looking town. I have you as Town, but doesn't mean I don't think you can't be Loki. You would earn looking town. Anyone could be Loki, I said that because I had just named you town, but you are not off my Loki list, no one is :p

 

 

Do you think Loki knows exactly the way he affects the game/? Do you think it's plausible that I would be able to guess correctly about NA's if I was Loki to start the conversation I did at the beginning of D2? If Loki is a superredirector, he knows parts. But would he know that Kiv forbids saying the exact results you get? Eld confirmed that he wasn't allowed to say so either. Every single thing I brought up he confirmed. Do you think if I'm Loki I would have all the information about how Kiv communicates with the ones who get results, to be able to fake it at the level I did?

 

You brought up the possibility. You gotta stand for it now.

 

 

 

 

This could very easily be nothing, but Mish's phone apparently sent a message before she had time to word it the way she wanted. The way she started the first one isn't how her finished post reads. Very suspicious that she would start off talking about how SHE would... and then talks about how LOKI would ...

 

I started writing a sentence, couldn't figure out how to formulate what I wanted to say, and I was gonna delete it and try over. It posted when I hit "enter" instead of "backspace", or a combo of both buttons or something. Nothing more to it than that.

 

Yea. I said disregard it. I figured it was something like that.

[Eldrick4221]

And I can't help you with the autopost. Sorry. Never heard of it happening before.