[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Andrej]

Re AJ's 1824.  I am null on Kiv.  I just think the arguments advanced against him are crap and his explanations are plausible.

 

Fair enough.

[csarmi]

Also, only 78 pages to catchup :)

 

Morning all. Will be busy with work anr i am in a bad mood cause i am aching all over from sunburns but i will be trying.

[Nynaeve]

FYI I'm in the clinic all day. Gonna try to catch up from my phone but I'm not sure if I'll be back before the deadline. Will try though.

[Andrej]

(spoil it for me - did he follow up?). 

 

Not yet.

 

Said he would make some updated reads in his last post but haven't seen them yet.

[csarmi]

Well you got an extra Dice. Put him to work.

[csarmi]

AJ whats the case for Lenlo? He looked quite normal to me and also i seriously doubt he can be read d1.

[Andrej]

Also, only 78 pages to catchup :)

 

Morning all. Will be busy with work anr i am in a bad mood cause i am aching all over from sunburns but i will be trying.

 

 

You're supposed to wear the sunscreen, Csarmi.

[csarmi]

He is probably the worst lynch possible regardless of content and hr doesn't seem to care if what he posts is popular. No blending in whatsoever (proof for that even i took notice of him despite me skimming the weekend).

[csarmi]

 

Also, only 78 pages to catchup :)

Morning all. Will be busy with work anr i am in a bad mood cause i am aching all over from sunburns but i will be trying.

 

 

 

I was hungry okay?

You're supposed to wear the sunscreen, Csarmi.

[Andrej]

AJ whats the case for Lenlo? He looked quite normal to me and also i seriously doubt he can be read d1.

 

He seems to be making up/confusing a bunch of crap.

 

Says that me/Zander would be a good info lynch but won't commit to scum reading me. Doesn't want to apply this same logic towards Kivam even though his justification was that we had a lot of interactions ITT. Says that he mixed me up with someone else, but doesn't remember who after the connection is made that he only begins to see me as a good lynch after Cory voices some concerns. Talks like he doesn't like my body of work in one post, says he thought it was good in another.

 

Just a lot of inconsistencies and disconnects.

[csarmi]

With that said tell dice to get his butt in here asap

His intro. Do you think that comes from a wolf Dice ever?

[csarmi]

As in... Why not blue?

[Andrej]

He is probably the worst lynch possible regardless of content and hr doesn't seem to care if what he posts is popular. No blending in whatsoever (proof for that even i took notice of him despite me skimming the weekend).

 

You're talking about Lenlo here?

 

What makes him the worst and who would be better iyo?

[Zander?]

getting pretty tired here.  gonna try to look over Len b4 DL.  AJ and others how confident are you in him being a wolf??

[csarmi]

He doesn't like your body?

[Andrej]

He doesn't like your body?

 

Everyone likes my body imo

[csarmi]

 

He is probably the worst lynch possible regardless of content and hr doesn't seem to care if what he posts is popular. No blending in whatsoever (proof for that even i took notice of him despite me skimming the weekend).

 

 

You're talking about Lenlo here?

 

What makes him the worst and who would be better iyo?

No idea who would be a good lynch (reading the thread might help there) but Lenlo is a very hard read d1 and he gets much easier later. He doesn't have the stamina to keep a good wolf gamr going.

[csarmi]

 

He doesn't like your body?

 

 

Everyone likes my body imo

So do you expect disconnect and confusion to be scum traits in a 100+ page d1? I would think the opposite.

[Andrej]

getting pretty tired here.  gonna try to look over Len b4 DL.  AJ and others how confident are you in him being a wolf??

 

Not incredibly, tbh.

 

I think overall he's done a poor job explaining himself, but that's more null than anything. Could be that he genuinely got mixed up or he's just trying to do damage control now that people are scrutinizing him. I do think some of the points raised against him have merit though, such as his logic behind voting you/wanting to vote me and his defense has been lacking and hard to follow to say the least.

[Andrej]

So do you expect disconnect and confusion to be scum traits in a 100+ page d1? I would think the opposite.

 

I guess that would depend on the player. Too broad of a brushstroke otherwise, imo, and gives leniency for scum who are pushing bad cases and can't back them convincingly.

 

Maybe you should just read it for yourself?

[Zander?]

 

 

Also there is some disagreement between me and nyn   she has sili higher then i do i have yates higher then she does. 

 

Yates poked and questioned early in a way i see him as town for.

 

Sili makes me nervous when he doesnt have a million posts and isnt off the wall. I have seen him as town like this but ive seen him scum like this too so im wary.

 

Problem is I have no real right to an opinion at this point.  Nyn is the game for us at this point and has a much better grasp then i do. So when push comes to shove we go nyns way.

 

like theres ANY scenario Dice you dont go Nyn's way.....lolololololol

 

 

At least im not scared of her. Can you say the same??  and know that if you say Yes you lied....:D

 

 

 

....i fear nothing!!!!!

 

 

I'm not sure how much of the past 20 pages or so that I really took in, but at the moment I'm feeling worse about Lenlo at this point than Kivam or Zander/Seph

 

There's an internal consistency to Kivam in the Pral vote aftermath. I think the ATE thing with Zander is different 'standards' of the use of ATE. I'm a little concerned still by the inclusion of meta at all in the Pral vote, I don't understand how he thinks. but that argument is going nowhere and I'd rather judge by future actions.

 

I'm not sure how much value this really has, but at the moment I'm currently light town on Zander. The key thing that stood out to me in Belichick (after several ISO's) was how much difficulty he had reading people as mafia and how instead his inclination was to town read pretty much everyone (technically he had me as his bottom 2, but whenever I challenged him he'd move me to possible frustrated townie). This game from what I can recall, he's only really gone 'after' Kivam, but is treating several other people as possible suspects and more importantly isn't town reading the whole thread. I can't be confident in this assessment, given how rapidly he's improving and due to the large nature of the game, town reading everyone would stand out more here than there

 

Lenlo is still in my group of nulls/?

 

BFG starting to look like the Townt BFG we've all come to love and expect imo.

 

I have returned. Gotta catch up.

 

looking forward to it and hearing your current thoughts.

[Andrej]

It's getting close to midnight and I've gotta be up early, so I'm gonna call it a night.

 

I'll check in again before I head out for work.

[csarmi]

Clov can be town for now.

Mish and Clov look town around here. Mish for having the same reaction as me. Clov for his clean thought process.

[csarmi]

 

So do you expect disconnect and confusion to be scum traits in a 100+ page d1? I would think the opposite.

 

 

I guess that would depend on the player. Too broad of a brushstroke otherwise, imo, and gives leniency for scum who are pushing bad cases and can't back them convincingly.

 

Maybe you should just read it for yourself?

Good post.

[csarmi]

 

 

Believe me, Laine's lynch all hydras thing is null. Make what you will of people supporting it.

 

 

Like I said, I disagree with the concept. Laine is still squarely null right now. But I want to see where she goes with it. Kiv's supporting it cause... MATH!.... eh.  As is him trying to portray a null Pral tell as a scummy. Zander charging in, agreeing with Kiv, and demanding a vote on Laine be removed is a head scratcher. I'm taking my time with him, though, cause judging by the last game we played together.... I don't speak Zanderlish. 

 

Thank you Nyn...I know Alanna's LAH is carryover from previous games and part of the signup.  Alanna hasnt done anything to ping me atp and still hasnt tbh.

 

Nyn you understand some Zanderlish!!!!

How does Laine play as mafia?