Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[BFG]

So I'm out for most of the day :/

 

In ISO Thane looks scummiest to me because I don't really understand why he's thinking anything. But he's done a few things early on I don't think he does as mafia. But this is without any understanding of how he thinks. I don't understand why he wouldn't vote Rand if he was online and mafia, given that the mafia QT would have likely been screaming at him.

 

I've read Zander's ISO in part 3 times now and he doesn't seem as scummy Day 1 as I remember. 2 things that stand out. He didn't vote Laine, he's said (and said at the time) that he was willing to, but his vote on Rand would have put him at L1, and I don't understand this, if you're waiting to vote Laine why the need to vote someone else to hammering range. For the past 2 Days he's voted his number 2 read over his number 1, extremely early on in the Day. Either we've crushed his soul or he doesn't care, or doesn't believe his gut read enough which makes the tunnel look even worse.

 

Minor points, I remember being surprised that he went Talya over me Day 1. There was also an odd linking post, where a town Rand lead to a mafia Talya, but a mafia Rand lead to a Town Talya. Given Laine was mafia and Rand town this became interesting.

 

Dice voted Laine early, has made several points I like throughout the game, but never posts enough for me to be confident this late in the gsmr, esp when everyone seems more townie than not.

 

AJ found most of the case against Laine Day 2, but was moving Zander out of his POE before just voting him.

 

Talyas been putting in #werk and is hard to see as mafia.

 

 

Thoughts?

[BFG]

I don't really think it's Dice or Thane, but I'm not massively confident.

 

I really struggle finding a team out of the other 3 that makes sense.

[BFG]

I'll be voting in an hour or so and then will be out, uncertain signal and with family so don't know if I'll be around much. I'd really like people to be as open as they can.

 

 

Bluntly put I'm the worst person here at 'good' reads, so I NEED input from people.

[BFG]

AJ also found some inconsistencies reading through Talya? I think at one stage she said that a Town Rand flip would look good for Verb, but then voted him early anyway?

[BFG]

And just as I post that Thane explains why he's thinking things and says what I'm thinking far more concisely

[Thane Vakarian]

i have about 11 hours left before i leave on vacation, so i'd like a flip *nods* i don't like to leave unfinished business

[dicetosser1]

what say we knock zander off then? he DOES give info with his flip

[Thane Vakarian]

it could also be endgame, but we should do it imo. chances are 66% to hit a wolf among those 3, and that's not bad at all

[dicetosser1]

BFG?

[BFG]

Yeah, we have to treat this as mylo

[dicetosser1]

so should we lynch or not BFG?

[BFG]

Yeah, we have to treat this as mylo

[BFG]

[V]Zander[/v]

 

I don't really know where else to look.

 

 

Sorry if we've crushed his soul

[BFG]

If it's Thane/Dice I'm never reading the DT

[dicetosser1]

its not me

[dicetosser1]

im gonna give zander a few cause i know he is online

[Zander?]

ok seriously you freaking give Verb all the time in the world but run me up??  think atp we should take all TIME WE CAN TO NOT LYNCH ANOTHER VILLA HERE EH!!!

[Zander?]

Day 1 votes:

 

 

 

 

Only serious vote before this I missed was AJ's on Shad

 

<snip>

 

obviously crawling for town cred

 

unvote vote LAine

 

 

after your reaction i think you are mafia

 

for the rest its been mostly fluff tho I took note of AJs gut and Yates test.

 

 

i thought she was visible but fairly null Talya

 

 

Official Vote Count 6:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (2/7): Shad, Dice

No lynch (2/7): Yates, Talya

Shad (1/7): AJ

 

Not Voting (7/13):

BFG, Verb, Laya, Laine, Thane, Zander, Hally

 

 

 

<snip Thane on Verb/Pral>

 

 

Vote: Thane

 

 

i'm currently trying to re-read. It takes time at work. i've said so before. Ignore that, if you want.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

you're grasping., tunneling... whatever... 

 

I'll be back in a few hours (!) when i have managed to reread while AT WORK

 

 

[v]Thane Vakarian[/v]

 

Yay!

 

 

Official Vote Count 7:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Shad (1/7): AJ

Thane (2/7) Hally, Shad

Hally (3/7) Thane, 

No Lynch (1/7) Yates, 

Not Voting (6/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine, laya. Zander, Tayla

 

 

<snip>

 

 

 

So basically town reads on Yates, Shad, and Thane

Scum reads on Alanna, Talya, AJ

 

For now, [ v]Alanna or Laine?[\v] not good at nicknames sorry

 

 

My vote would be on Hallia.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

There have been some suggestions from Yates and Shad on no-voting today. I don't agree. Especially with town also being vigs, the game is going to be mostly blind if there are no flips. I am pretty sure if we no-lynch, neither town nor scum is going to kill anyone and it will be back to square-one tomorrow.

 

 

Damnit Hally.

 

I'm on page 22 catching up but you are quite obviously a wolf. Town points for anyone that knows how to read Hally telling me why - based on page 22 alone...

 

Le sad.

 

[v]Hally[/v]

 

 

meh i dont know if BFG is scum or frustrated towny,

 

going with my first bad impression

 

[v] Talya [/v]

 

 

Official Vote Count 8:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Shad (1/7): AJ

Thane (2/7) Hally, Shad

Hally (3/7) Thane, Yates, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Not Voting (4/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine, Tayla

 

gonna be gone today daughters having her wisdom teeth out

 

 

 

Okay I'll trust you.

 

What do you think on Rand? I think you posted how you were suspicious of his intro posts and I haven't seen him since.

 

A couple things from his catch-up, reading in reverse order:

 

* He says Laine is trying to turn Dice's joke vote against him and set him up as scum.

--This is pretty ridiculous.  Your response to the joke vote was "Dice how is that helping at all? Do you have actual points to make?" and Dice is the one who started tunneling you, not vice-versa.

 

* He doesn't like AJ for explaining his own scum game to people.

--But AJ never did this.  He just explained the atypical set-up of Middle Earth and its implications.  And he was right, by the way.  I ran into the exact problem AJ is describing when I tried to use Middle Earth to study him in Star Wars.

 

* He doesn't like AJ for doubting Darthe would go "derp, gg town" if everyone voted no lynch.  He asks "Why didn't you vote? Were you trying to stall until mafia could think of something to do? Biggest scum read."  Yet he likes me for researching the rules.  Aren't AJ and I doing pretty much the same thing here?  But I get town cred for it and he's scummy.

 

* He thinks Talya is "fence sitting" on page 9 because she doesn't have a strong read of Yates yet.  Has he ever played with Yates before?

 

* Rand scum reads Laine almost immediately, on the grounds that :???:  I guess he doesn't like that she's joking around with people who joke voted her?  I don't get it.  It's like he thinks the people who joke voted her are total strangers to her, and she's shady for returning the serve.  But if I joke voted a stranger, shouldn't I be the one who looks a bit suspicious?

 

 

 

Thanks for asking me to look into him again Laine!  Kind of reiterated what I was feeling last night and made it more glaringly obvious.

[v]Rand[/v]

Too wolf to be a wolf maybe, but it feels like he drew three town names out of a hat and just went to work trying to dig up whatever dirt he could on them with little regard for anyone else.  Still feeling Thane as scum, but that's more for what he hasn't done yet.  Rand's catch-up is pretty terrible.

 

 

 

It's getting late already, and I haven't moved from here for hours

 

[v]Rand[/v] as per above

 

 

[v]Rand[/v] btw.

 

Think there's a good chance we found a wolf here with the type of arguments he is pushing.

 

Feeling pretty good on some of my town reads.

 

Zander/Talya two of my stronger.

Shad is trending up. 

I feel pretty good about BFG and reasonably okay with Yates and Laine. 

Thane probably a villager too.

 

Pral seems okay at first glance but I'll need some time to read him better - he's tricked me in the past but thus far I liked his entry.

 

Dice still mostly null.

Hallia more on the scummy side of null but still has some redeeming qualities.

 

Rand probably scum.

 

Verb hasn't posted yet - so no clue.

 

 

Official Vote Count 10:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Thane (1/7) Hally

Hally (3/7) Thane, Yates, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

rand (3/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine,

 

 

You're cutting and splicing quotes of mine that had context before and after them, not including those.  Great way to take things out of context to make them seem scummy

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Yates

 

 

I'll be sticking here.

 

 

Thane and Pral are viewing but not posting? That's never a good sign.

 

 

Deadline is in 43 minutes. VC incoming

 

 

Official Vote Count 11:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (3/7) Thane, Yates, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (3/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj

Yates (1/7): Hally

 

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine,

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Rand

 

 

[v]Rand[/v]

 

Fine. I'm out. Night all!

 

 

 

5minutes

 

vc?

 

 

 

Official Vote Count 13:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (2/7) Thane, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (5/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj, Hally, Yates

 

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine

 

If Dice was mafia I *think he'd have moved his vote to Hallia before leaving. Sticking to his guns here is a really good look for him (regardless of who he was voting).

 

Based on AJ's & Hallia's observation that Thane was viewing the topic he isn't mafia with Zander, because the 2 could have switched to Rand for a town lynch without looking awful; bonus in that Rand could have been the doc and they wouldn't look awful for the lynch.

 

Laine says she fell asleep, I don't think she's the sort to lurk as mafia, at least she wasn't later; which means that Zander/Laine can't be ruled out here.

 

Cursory analysis suggests that at least one of AJ/Talya is mafia, but since I already think that it's not a big surprise.

 

 

then why would I as mafia not switch over to him either BFG?  makes no sense...unless ofc IM TOWN which I am.

 

yet your voting me??!!!!!

 

Come on now BFG...i dont get this at all!!!

[Zander?]

Thane,

 

ISO'd Thane, so will do it by ISO page...

 

P1

 - Mainly fluff

- Says he isn't voting Alanna for her not liking beer and Choc ice cream - not worth the vote

- Agrees Vigs should holster, says something about wolves using all theirs night 1

- Mentions Pral and Verb a couple of times.

- Zander only one he trusts

- Gets muddled over BFG and Alanna.

 

The muddles bit is null, could happen to anyone. The only thing standing out is he actually says he's not wasting his vote on Alanna, as others have, I think it would put her to about 3 (maybe 4) votes if he had.

 

P2

- Dice feels snippy and agreesive

- Zero chance he (thane) flips scum

- Likes BFG's entrance

- Scum AJ hard to find

- Doesn't think he is on point as wolf

- Wary of people finding him fully town D1 (TMI), or vote him D1

- VOTES HALLY - for grasping, tunnelling whatever

- Then the AtE

now into D2

- Suggests 2 shots were hero shots, doesn't want them to say but is curious.

- Doesn't see a townie shooting Pral

- About BFG - says that she noticed he has changed the way he plays, sometimes read lists sometimes not. Avoids having the same playstyle

- Reads Town - Zander, AJ. Wants BFG to be town. Tal has him confused and Zander does make sense, have him confused. Dice and Laine and Rand as wolf (there are other reads- but town )

 

His vote on Hally was OMGUS, having read back the AtE didn't seem as bad as when I first read it. Juat fed up with the 20pages of reading, Rereading it I don't think this makes him town. Also the bit about making a point about him changing how he plays...

 

P3

- Pretty sure Rand Laine wolf

- VOTES RAND - This should happen today!

- VOTES ALANNA - 10 mins later after in response to someone

- Thinks Rand lynched the next day

- Fluff

 

I'm getting an impression here that Thane takes what people are saying about other people to decide where to go. In other words, using there reasoning and persuasion to follow on, rather than have ideas himself. He did vote Alanna, was 4th on her vote.

 

P4

-VOTES RAND

- Still not seeing Dice as town

- Shad's kill made sense, other than him being town, wolves PR hunting

- If not Rand or Verb, then look at Dice.

- When Verb asked if Rand would do what he did with the Cloudflare - Thane answers He'd try anything if it stopped him from getting lynched if wolf.

- To BFGs claim "if a wolf would claim Doc right now and I'd be doc, I wouldn't cc, so I wouldn't be targeted.

- When asked about Verb - case against him was pretty convincing, but likes his posts, on the other hand I know he could talk his way out of anything.

- Thinks is Verb flips town we need to lynch AJ

 

P5&6

- Him town and BFG town as uncc'd doc, Zander because he thinks he would be different as wolf.

- AJ so far doing ok

- Tal - sees what Zander is saying

- Verb 100% wolf for him

- No idea on dice

- thinks AJ/Verb Town wolf Zander and Tal

- Zander/Tal unlikely due to Zander going after her

- dice going after Laine early - perhaps distancing, now not really involved, Laine goes down and dice cleared for rest of game

- AJ/Zander - pretty sure town first half of game up until Verb's town flip

- Doubting AJ's interaction with Verb, Zander posting less.

- Zander more gut than anything

- Wants to put Dice town (trusts what BFG is saying) POE Zander/AJ/Talya for lynch ooin that order.

 

Does some flips here, from AJ/Zander town to his top two WTL, Flips on Dice, because he trusts BFG. If thane is wolf he could be wolf with Zander. The way he has thought him town and believed Zander on him saying I'm wolf loud enough and enough times. Then flips that round.

 

Thane - Can you please explain why you now think Dice is town (in your own words - not BFGs)

Why do you think that Zander isn't town anymore (apart from the POE) what makes you think he could be wolf, the same with AJ, and what are your thoughts on me too?

 

I have felt that he doesn't have any of his own thoughts where the alignment of people are except Dice. If Thane is wolf I think that clears Dice. Can't see wolfThane pointing out about Dice and Alanna if they were all on the same team.

 

A break and then AJ

 

 

Lol, you've highlighted everything that makes me worry I've miscleared him :/

 

I'll be out most of this evening, but hopefully back for some reading later.

 

again your doubting someone else and voting me??

[Zander?]

I'm around kinda. Been checking the thread when I get a moment from this morning but I haven't read in depth since I left the other night.

 

All I can really say is that I'm not a wolf here. I understand how the last two lynches look for me since I pretty much drove them but it is what it is. The ones you need to be looking at are those who cast their votes but didn't do much else. I was on the forefront of Laine/Rand/Verb the entire way. Tbh Laine probably doesn't get ran up to hammer range D2 without my involvement, so if you REALLY think I do that as a wolf just to make it harder for me to win or something then idk what to tell you.

 

There's two left and I'm about as confident as I can be that they resolve within Zander, Talya and Thane. I haven't really pieced together which combo yet but if I'm wrong and Dice is a wolf then I'll be a little pissed post game because I hate his play against Laine if they're partners.

 

I think the points about Zander dropping off the last few phases have merit and I really don't like the way him and Talya have been regarding each other while both being on town lynches.

 

Basically I am leaving this up to BFG/Dice because I can't research anymore. Just know you'll have my vote whichever way you go.

 

so your saying your towny for driving up 3 lynches...2 of them mislynches and the 3rd you hammered when it was all over but the crying.  then now say well ill follow BFG and Dice and not to he exact thing that makes me town?????

[dicetosser1]

ok seriously you freaking give Verb all the time in the world but run me up??  think atp we should take all TIME WE CAN TO NOT LYNCH ANOTHER VILLA HERE EH!!!

 

 

notice im giving you time.

[Zander?]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

just lololololololol

[dicetosser1]

zander give coherent logical thoughts please.

 

no rants

[Zander?]

This sort of activity won't help ftr. There's 4 villagers alive - show it.

 

Zander 368 BFG 351 Andrej 343 Shad_ 248 alannalynn 145 Thane Vakarian 131 Talya 128 Yates 113 Hallia 100 Verbal32 73 dicetosser1 59 RandA lThor 54 Darthe 52 seph 47 Pralaya 9 csarmi 1 Clovdyx 1

 

well i AM the top poster in this game.  i also have other reason for less activity then normal which others currently playing know about but im not a fan of AtE so I haven't brought them up.

[dicetosser1]

and you know what i think of using post counts for decisions.

 

 

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