Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[BFG]

And lunch over... Back later :)

[Zander?]

This is where I am at the moment, this is based off a partial reread of Day 2 and memory.

 

 

Dice is my strongest read for all sorts of reasons. The only possible negative I have is that during Day 1 there weren't many reads outside of Laine, AJ, Yates and maybe Thane (was technically Night 1, that I recall). I liked the way that he kept returning to Laine as a suspect; last time I saw him bus he bussed with a logical reason, but his vote just sat there. I also don't see Laine's appeal heading in a teammates direction. Dice is the read I wager the game on, so to speak.

 

 

 

Problem is that after Dice I feel like everyone's a little scummy but mostly townie :/

 

AJ I'm having to work to not tinfoil on (sorry bro ), but every time I want to I come back to Day 2, when he pretty much built the case on Laine that got her lynched. Laine wasn't really under any pressure before that, as most people were mostly ignoring Dice (sorry). The only negatives are that AJ was last to vote, despite being the second (first person being Dice) to pressure Laine. And yesterdays argument about Verb/Rand seemed a little 'eager'?

 

 

 

 

Zander is mixed but likely town, maybe, hopefully? I like his presence on thread, I do NOT like the tunnel. As an involved party in that, his tunnel looks to me entirely like a way of burying his vote and attention. He KNEW that even if he was right on me and Talya that there was a third yet he kept dismissing everybody else as town regardless. I am finding it extremely difficult to look past that. He also completely ignored my ISO on him, and I figure Zander as being a more reactive player than that. Against that, does Laine appeal to Zander to read her as town if they're teammates (kind of like the Dice thing above). And earlier Pg 60ish Zander EXPLODES at Laine when she suggests that he's been saying that Rand/Talya could be a team, I don't see this reaction against a teammate. He's both soft and hard defended Laine for much of the game, BUT he's hard and soft defended most players on thread EXCEPT Talya and myself. This goes back to the tunnel thing, and although I don't think the defending a flipped mafia is a great thing, it doesn't look awful in context. If that 'wreck towns' post turns out to be a genuine slip then I'm going to scream, possibly literally.

 

I have a horrible, horrible feeling that Zander and I are going to wind up clashing in every game if he IS town in this one :(

 

I think on balance that Zander is ~more likely town than not. Given that I have to pay more attention to his read on Talya

which makes me sad

 

 

 

 

Thane for me is random. Completely so. Reads from Day 1; include me as overall null-suspicious despite sounding townie (or something like that). Reading between the posts, he has Dice as scummy for Dices aggression towards Laine, which has since evolved to 'distancing'. The things I have as null-townie can all be described as 'derpclear' in a way and I have to actively work to not automatically regard them as scummy: whether or not mafia have a NK seperate to vig shots speculation, the disbelieving me as doc, ATE (which I don't honestly know how to read, I've never seen Thane get that aggressive/emotional in a game ever. In the back of my head is Cindy saying math=mafia

 

In a sense the towniest thing I have for him is his belief that everyone 'should' be reading him townie for 'reasons' which is a pretty poor reason to find someone townie. So I'm kind of going to go off thread consensus here, which is also mixed . I can't clear him or condem him based on content. He's had 'little' interaction with most of the thread which makes it harder as well. I want to believe his ATE/threat to quit/derp moments are ~more likely to come from town!Thane but I don't know.

 

I actually hate this, I've played a lot of games with Thane and I can't read him. At all, and I feel like that's me playing badly/failing :/

 

 

This leaves me with Talya and Verb :(

 

 

Talya Literally the only thing I have is that she may be one of the 'too clean' mafia. I agree with most of her posts, including the confusion about a lot of players. What becomes really interesting if Verb flips mafia, that if it is Talya then that means his train 'analysis' pointed away from all his teammates, which is smart. Laine also possibly tries to set me up after a Talya flip ~

 

 

Verb I have marginally more on Verb than the others, but most of it's based on thread absence, and a lot of that was holiday/weekend stuff and not avoiding the thread. I do feel that he's been reserved on thread, and this game didn't come back into thread under pressure. I feel like I don't know how he feels about most players, and that's an alarming lack of transparancy :/ I don't know Verb well enough to know if transparancy is his schtick though.

 

 

At this stage I kind of 'want' it to be Thane/Verb, because I'd rather my read on Talya was correct, but I think maybe Verb/Talya is more likely?

 

i hope we don't!!!

 

and I agree completely on Talya.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

1st Bold- We'll compare batting avg's at the end of the game brother...but pretty sure over the last 2 im batting much higher....or wait can it get higher then 1.000...im not sure the maths are pretty hard. Also not feeling Thane as scum really just was more PoE.  willing to bet theres at least one wolf in the other 2 though.

 

lol

 

Yeah? Well mine's bigger  :laugh:

 

im never voting AJ!!!!  lolololololol

If Zander is a wolf I'll be disappointed

 

This isn't really game related in the sense of casing or whatever - but I loved the vibe of this post and his reaction to it.

 

 

you wont be!  im town!!!!

[Zander?]

Gonna resume from where I left off last night but I don't think I'll be staying up as late.

 

The last two are in Verb, Thane, Talya and Zander imo. Feeling pretty good with lynching Verb because his explanation for the Rand vote didn't make a lot of sense to me. Feels like he doesn't really care in this situation with his other defenses as well.

 

After him I'm less sure but gun to my head I would say it's probably between Thane/Talya after that. I really wanna believe Zander is town here with some bad reads D1/D2. He could've been correct on Talya the whole time though, so GOAT etc.

 

pretty easy way to out this to the test imo.

[Zander?]

Brady is good.

 

Not as good as Aaron Rodgers but good

 

wolfy imo lololol

[Zander?]

 

This is Talya's reaction to Rand's Flip

 

What?!

 

Bleh!

 

like you didnt know he was gonna flip.  Your too pot on this game Talya.  Every game we've played in people have wavered on you.  It's almost like....I don't know, maybe you already know who is who in this game.

 

See I don't get this :(

 

In SW Talya was in the POE, except for a couple of players at the end who can apparently read her well, as she is now in this game. Was there early game suspicion that I don't remember in that game? This reads like somebody saying that you made a good point on Day 2, which you're now reiterating despite the fact it's no longer valid.

 

What makes you think she's too spot on???

 

 

The fact that no one is reading wolf at all.  This makes me very concerned. as town people read her off as she forming her opinions/reads only based on what she reads.  this game shes just to point.  like she knows what reaction to make to posts based on the fact she knows their alignment.  if that makes sense.

[Zander?]

TLDR: Zander is kind of a mixed bag right now.

 

 

 

The big plus is his activity and level of content; there’s a lot less fluff than I would have thought. He’s also supremely relaxed on thread (tonewise), but I’m not putting much stock in that any more. There are a lot of easily given, relaxed observations/reads/thoughts in his early game that I really like.

 

The big issue I have is his reads and how he seems to have developed them.

 

His two mafia reads both seem to have started after we’ve questioned him; Talya jokingly about his teammates and myself about his progression on Talya (although I need to check whether the original post was before or after in thread of his BFG Shad progression post). This is supremely defensive if true and at odds with his tone; so maybe I'm misjudging the reasons for his reads, and also OMGUS reads aren't alignment indicative.

 

His approach to us seems different to the rest of the thread and fairly inorganic. He uses games to determine tone similarity for Yates/AJ/Verb/Thane/Shad/Laine, but despite having both mafia and town games with me recently (not many people playing have a recent mafia game with me) he’s using expectations from how I am in the Band to determine what I ‘should’ sound like. I’m still calling bull on this. My read on Shad is gross; particularly where I say he’s not paying attention (Shad later agreed, I now think I was being harsh, meh) but AJ doesn’t get a blink for the same read. Talya, as a mod, should have known better than to fall for Yates trap, but (again) AJ doesn’t get a blink, despite also being a mod. It feels (from this end) that he’s made up his mind that we’re mafia based on ~15 pages of game play and is now using anything to justify it. The problem is that he’s not evaluating his reads at all.

 

Talya pointed out a lot of the same stuff that Zander has wrt my read on Shad, yet it isn’t factoring into his read on her. She posted about Rands re-entrance about 20 minutes before she voted him Day 1, yet Zander 'missed it', he’s said that he won’t reconsider Talya if Zander flips mafia... This refusal to re-evaluate looks awful.

 

I also don’t like that he’s using ‘too into it’ as a reason to mafia read us, not sure on Talya; but Cindy describes my mafia play as ‘reluctant’ and she’s not wrong (given that ‘reluctant’ gets me town read /shrug, I’m not changing it unless I’m in a mafia game with Cory, who I think reads me pretty well)

 

Beyond us; his reads on others is erratic, but not necessarily in a bad way. He has an extremely early town read on Thane, but that evaporates (although I believe that Thane stopped posting for a while) then comes back then goes, but is generally understandable on thread; Dice is null-town then town without any explanation, in the interim Zander called Dice wolfy over a joke post, or any additional posting by Dice inbetween (Yates seems to find Dice scummy at the same time). Laine is mayor and he’s covered why already, except at the time he said he’s explained why he’s barely mentioned her in game; although the reason can be assumed. But none of these is ‘bad’ as such, just early reads developing (maybe)

 

Read on Rand is heavily associated with Zanders read on Talya; likes Rand more when he’s mafia reading Talya... Can’t really fault him for that, I’ve been clearing AJ for similar reasons.

 

He’s been defending/soft-defending Rand and Laine all game (but was also defending Shad at several points), and this may be null dependent on their flips.

 

Interesting comparisons with Star Wars and 9-5. In 9-5 he says he had the entire team in POE by End Day 2, yet this game that’s obviously not the case because he ONLY has 2 suspects AND ISN'T looking for a third. In Star Wars, he was right about Yates, but after the cop clear thing; I’m pretty sure that beforehand he agreed that AH should be the lynch (and might be I'm misremembering). This comes back to the refusal to re-evaluate thing, in SW he WAS re-evaluating, here he’s static.

 

This is actually the biggest problem I have; he has 2 suspects and isn't looking anywhere else.

 

 

 

TLDR of the TLDR

Zander seems relaxed on thread and has posted a lot and been ~consistent (especially once he’d made up his mind that Talya/I were mafia); however it feels to me that his read on Talya and myself is based on ~15 pages of gameplay and that he’s ignoring everything since that might/should make him reconsider and I’m finding it hard to see past that stubbornness/refusal to re-evaluate. Consequently his reads feel static/inorganic/and forced.

 

I suspect that this has to do with a different approach to playing; I tend to reevaluate continuously and never fully trust anyone, he ~doesn't?.

 

How much of this is OMGUS I don’t know, but I’m feeling distinctly uneasy on Zander round about now. I'm willing to listen to people who have played with him before for a better read; my most recent game with him I was mafia and not paying attention, before that it was his first game and he's a different player now :)

 

what do you want me to comment on.  I think I'm right on Talya and with your claim and no CC i was wrong about you. sorry!!   lolololol  and Ive explained my thought process out on my reads whether or not you agree with them or how you feel about how i got there doesn't change them or how i will continue to do so.

 

Bolded- Did you read SW??  Ask everyone about "my stubbornness" and refusal to move from Yates/Sili!!!  I'm not even referring to the fact I was right.  And even on Sooh in ME when I was town and mislynched her.  When I think I'm right I focus on it hardcore.  Anyone who played with me in either game should be able to verify that for me.  And as for the last some people have different ways of reading people for better or for worse.  Imma keep sticking with mine and develop them more on new ones as the game progresses.

 

and I agree with some your points in the bottom and like how you are looking for others to help with my read,.  Im not sure why this is such a big thing to you?  Did I answer what you were looking for or is there something specific you feel im missing here?

[BFG]

 

 

 

TLDR: Zander is kind of a mixed bag right now.

 

 

 

The big plus is his activity and level of content; there’s a lot less fluff than I would have thought. He’s also supremely relaxed on thread (tonewise), but I’m not putting much stock in that any more. There are a lot of easily given, relaxed observations/reads/thoughts in his early game that I really like.

 

The big issue I have is his reads and how he seems to have developed them.

 

His two mafia reads both seem to have started after we’ve questioned him; Talya jokingly about his teammates and myself about his progression on Talya (although I need to check whether the original post was before or after in thread of his BFG Shad progression post). This is supremely defensive if true and at odds with his tone; so maybe I'm misjudging the reasons for his reads, and also OMGUS reads aren't alignment indicative.

 

His approach to us seems different to the rest of the thread and fairly inorganic. He uses games to determine tone similarity for Yates/AJ/Verb/Thane/Shad/Laine, but despite having both mafia and town games with me recently (not many people playing have a recent mafia game with me) he’s using expectations from how I am in the Band to determine what I ‘should’ sound like. I’m still calling bull on this. My read on Shad is gross; particularly where I say he’s not paying attention (Shad later agreed, I now think I was being harsh, meh) but AJ doesn’t get a blink for the same read. Talya, as a mod, should have known better than to fall for Yates trap, but (again) AJ doesn’t get a blink, despite also being a mod. It feels (from this end) that he’s made up his mind that we’re mafia based on ~15 pages of game play and is now using anything to justify it. The problem is that he’s not evaluating his reads at all.

 

Talya pointed out a lot of the same stuff that Zander has wrt my read on Shad, yet it isn’t factoring into his read on her. She posted about Rands re-entrance about 20 minutes before she voted him Day 1, yet Zander 'missed it', he’s said that he won’t reconsider Talya if Zander flips mafia... This refusal to re-evaluate looks awful.

 

I also don’t like that he’s using ‘too into it’ as a reason to mafia read us, not sure on Talya; but Cindy describes my mafia play as ‘reluctant’ and she’s not wrong (given that ‘reluctant’ gets me town read /shrug, I’m not changing it unless I’m in a mafia game with Cory, who I think reads me pretty well)

 

Beyond us; his reads on others is erratic, but not necessarily in a bad way. He has an extremely early town read on Thane, but that evaporates (although I believe that Thane stopped posting for a while) then comes back then goes, but is generally understandable on thread; Dice is null-town then town without any explanation, in the interim Zander called Dice wolfy over a joke post, or any additional posting by Dice inbetween (Yates seems to find Dice scummy at the same time). Laine is mayor and he’s covered why already, except at the time he said he’s explained why he’s barely mentioned her in game; although the reason can be assumed. But none of these is ‘bad’ as such, just early reads developing (maybe)

 

Read on Rand is heavily associated with Zanders read on Talya; likes Rand more when he’s mafia reading Talya... Can’t really fault him for that, I’ve been clearing AJ for similar reasons.

 

He’s been defending/soft-defending Rand and Laine all game (but was also defending Shad at several points), and this may be null dependent on their flips.

 

Interesting comparisons with Star Wars and 9-5. In 9-5 he says he had the entire team in POE by End Day 2, yet this game that’s obviously not the case because he ONLY has 2 suspects AND ISN'T looking for a third. In Star Wars, he was right about Yates, but after the cop clear thing; I’m pretty sure that beforehand he agreed that AH should be the lynch (and might be I'm misremembering). This comes back to the refusal to re-evaluate thing, in SW he WAS re-evaluating, here he’s static.

 

This is actually the biggest problem I have; he has 2 suspects and isn't looking anywhere else.

 

 

 

TLDR of the TLDR

Zander seems relaxed on thread and has posted a lot and been ~consistent (especially once he’d made up his mind that Talya/I were mafia); however it feels to me that his read on Talya and myself is based on ~15 pages of gameplay and that he’s ignoring everything since that might/should make him reconsider and I’m finding it hard to see past that stubbornness/refusal to re-evaluate. Consequently his reads feel static/inorganic/and forced.

 

I suspect that this has to do with a different approach to playing; I tend to reevaluate continuously and never fully trust anyone, he ~doesn't?.

 

How much of this is OMGUS I don’t know, but I’m feeling distinctly uneasy on Zander round about now. I'm willing to listen to people who have played with him before for a better read; my most recent game with him I was mafia and not paying attention, before that it was his first game and he's a different player now :)

 

 

 

what do you want me to comment on.  I think I'm right on Talya and with your claim and no CC i was wrong about you. sorry!!   lolololol  and Ive explained my thought process out on my reads whether or not you agree with them or how you feel about how i got there doesn't change them or how i will continue to do so.

 

Bolded- Did you read SW??  Ask everyone about "my stubbornness" and refusal to move from Yates/Sili!!!  I'm not even referring to the fact I was right.  And even on Sooh in ME when I was town and mislynched her.  When I think I'm right I focus on it hardcore.  Anyone who played with me in either game should be able to verify that for me.  And as for the last some people have different ways of reading people for better or for worse.  Imma keep sticking with mine and develop them more on new ones as the game progresses.

 

and I agree with some your points in the bottom and like how you are looking for others to help with my read,.  Im not sure why this is such a big thing to you?  Did I answer what you were looking for or is there something specific you feel im missing here?

 

Lol, Zander I was looking for any sort of reaction/comment :p My impression is that you ARE a reactive person, I'm sure I've seen you comment on people mafia reading you in other games with a 'but I'm OBV town' sort of response, so silence seems 'weird'. I guess at the time I made the ISO I was in your mafia pile though /shrug

 

In Star Wars you got 'stuck' into Yates after ~300 pages of game play, to me that seems different to a similar reaction after ~15 pages of game play; but meh, I'm not a gut player. I have a sinking feeling you're right here :( Thanks for the ME pointer, I'll look into that later (I only read the ~last game day or two of that game)

 

I also don't want you to ever change your style :)

 

 

I think I want to go

 

Verb > Talya :( > Thane > Zander

[BFG]

Anyone have a clue on deadline?

[Verbal32]

I think I miscleared AJ.

[Verbal32]

I'm obviously the lynch, which I think is awful, but whatever.  I'm not doing the math on how many mislynches remain, but you need to sort out AJ ASAP.  No way town!AJ doesn't rethink his stance when I WAS RIGHT ON RAND.

 

Let me repeat that - I was right.  I sussed him, then started to back off....was urged back on by AJ, and then sussed by AJ for exactly that reason.

 

People, that alone should tell you something is wrong.  Now we have a Laine wolf flip and a Rand villager flip, meaning I was right to back off of Rand.  I said the lynch seemed too easy, and it was.

 

 

 

With missing a whole day to DM being down, I'm not really in the mood to start ISOing.  But I think AJ & Zander might be our remaining wolves.  AJ is playing like a cocky wolf right now - he's been town read by a few people, and is just stating things like it is a fact, or close to.  Town!AJ doesn't act like this - town!AJ is more thoughtful and willing to revisit and re-assess.  Apparently me backing off of a villager is a bad thing now?  Yeah....no.  He might be showing us his @$$ today.

 

Thane & Talya still clear.  BFG cleared as well (imo) due to claim and lack of cc.  Dice is unknown, but nothing overly weird from him.

[Verbal32]

Only thing in AJ's favor is his case on Laine.  Bussing?  Maybe.  He was a late vote on her and the one to early case her, so it could have been a distancing move that turned into a bus once several other people (like myself) sussed Laine a bit and votes starting building.

 

It fits, too - at that point when the trains were close, I was starting to back off Rand towards Laine, and AJ cautioned me to stay the course.  That was a subtle push to avoid Laine and vote Rand.  I stayed on Rand, and we all know how those chips fell.

 

I'm trying not to OMGUS here, so I'll stop.  I was townreading AJ until his recent push on Rand and myself.  If I'm confbiasing here, so be it....but I do think I miscleared him.  Like, I miscleared somebody, and AJ fits the best.

[Verbal32]

Feel free to hammer me now, btw.  glgl

[Talya]

 

 

This is Talya's reaction to Rand's Flip

 

What?!

 

Bleh!

 

like you didnt know he was gonna flip.  Your too pot on this game Talya.  Every game we've played in people have wavered on you.  It's almost like....I don't know, maybe you already know who is who in this game.

 

See I don't get this :(

 

In SW Talya was in the POE, except for a couple of players at the end who can apparently read her well, as she is now in this game. Was there early game suspicion that I don't remember in that game? This reads like somebody saying that you made a good point on Day 2, which you're now reiterating despite the fact it's no longer valid.

 

What makes you think she's too spot on???

 

 

The fact that no one is reading wolf at all.  This makes me very concerned. as town people read her off as she forming her opinions/reads only based on what she reads.  this game shes just to point.  like she knows what reaction to make to posts based on the fact she knows their alignment.  if that makes sense.

 

 

You had me in your sights quite early on, and not everyone was reading me as town, and yet this had you concerned. I think that you are picking and choosing all the comments people make and make them into your own, because you haven't come up with an original idea about since this game started. When I flip town, what are you going to do then. this is copy catting, so bad.

 

I originally out this down to how you play, but actually you don't. Even in SW game you focused in on Seph D1, then moved to CS and it was only later you went with Yates, but I have never seen you go for someone all the game, and I believe it's because you are wolf, know my alignment but feel you can't back down from this, as you keep telling everyone it is your meta. Well it isn't.

 

Verb > Zander > Thane would be my choice.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

This is Talya's reaction to Rand's Flip

 

What?!

 

Bleh!

 

like you didnt know he was gonna flip.  Your too pot on this game Talya.  Every game we've played in people have wavered on you.  It's almost like....I don't know, maybe you already know who is who in this game.

 

See I don't get this :(

 

In SW Talya was in the POE, except for a couple of players at the end who can apparently read her well, as she is now in this game. Was there early game suspicion that I don't remember in that game? This reads like somebody saying that you made a good point on Day 2, which you're now reiterating despite the fact it's no longer valid.

 

What makes you think she's too spot on???

 

 

The fact that no one is reading wolf at all.  This makes me very concerned. as town people read her off as she forming her opinions/reads only based on what she reads.  this game shes just to point.  like she knows what reaction to make to posts based on the fact she knows their alignment.  if that makes sense.

 

 

You had me in your sights quite early on, and not everyone was reading me as town, and yet this had you concerned. I think that you are picking and choosing all the comments people make and make them into your own, because you haven't come up with an original idea about since this game started. When I flip town, what are you going to do then. this is copy catting, so bad.

 

I originally out this down to how you play, but actually you don't. Even in SW game you focused in on Seph D1, then moved to CS and it was only later you went with Yates, but I have never seen you go for someone all the game, and I believe it's because you are wolf, know my alignment but feel you can't back down from this, as you keep telling everyone it is your meta. Well it isn't.

 

Verb > Zander > Thane would be my choice.

 

 

 

 

Maybe I'l try it this way. In the other games like SW and ME everyone at some point starting reading Talya as Maf or into a PoE this game no one but me is.  Those other games she a little more all over the place this game very concise like she KNOWS who is who,  Like she has to putting EVEN more effort and thought into what she says and does to leave little to no space for error.   Town!Talya is a little more... carefree maybe the word im looking for.   I hope my explanation makes sense.  My gut is telling me somethings up here and so Im following it.

Can't hate this post.

 

 

1st Bold: You wanna try again lololololol. And you dont flip town.

 

2nd Bold:LIES its only D2 here and i was on seph and Csarmi for a lot longer the ive been on you.  I was on seph and Csarmi from what their 1st or 2nd psot each.  THIS IS MY META!!!!  trying to mis rep me a bad look for you!!!

 

And now your getting worried about people seeing it as well.  i like it!!!! ...Howl for me Talya!!!!

[Thane Vakarian]

so... Verb... if you flip town, we need to lynch AJ, if i read that correctly? It's an option, yes. 

 

@all the rest: what if Verb is actually right here? He flips town, what do we do?

 

Just something to keep in the back of our minds.

 

If i remember correctly, he's at L-1, right? Some replies would be nice before i hammer. 

[Thane Vakarian]

i'm at work, we're 2 instead of 3 today and i'm about ready to strangle someone here... so i'll be in and out. 

[BFG]

Verb still isn't blowing me away :( although he has picked up on my worst nightmare with an AJ/anybody mafia team lol.

 

 

 

@Verb, Why Zander over Dice, given that you don't seem to have a read on Dice?

 

 

 

@Verb, if you flip town and mafia still have a shot we have no mislynches left (assuming no town vig shots left; which is possible).

 

How sure are you that Talya and Thane are town? How caught up are you in thread?

 

 

And that was a response I've been waiting for from Talya, heh (and sort of shifts everybody back to bleh :/ at least until I've finished my Day 2 reread as a minimum

[Verbal32]

so... Verb... if you flip town, we need to lynch AJ, if i read that correctly? It's an option, yes. 

 

@all the rest: what if Verb is actually right here? He flips town, what do we do?

 

Just something to keep in the back of our minds.

 

If i remember correctly, he's at L-1, right? Some replies would be nice before i hammer. 

 

Why would you want to hammer?  Do you really think I'm a wolf?

[BFG]

Can we hold off on a hammer until we get confirmation of the deadline from the mods? If it's the original one I think it's passed already (don't take my word for it)? If it's extended I'd rather use my time this evening finishing a Day 2 (as a minimum) reread.

 

@Thane; if he flips town we reassess, like normal

[Thane Vakarian]

See Verbal, here's my problem: there is one townie i'm sure about... me

 

second would be BFG because uncontested claim.

 

Third Zander because i think he'd be diffirent when wolf.

 

Aj so far has been doing ok, but yeah... i know that he can be a deep wolf from experience.

 

Talya... i dunno what Zander sees... but it makes sense, his case seems alright.

 

And you.. you're in my bottom 3. I also know you can try to talk yourself out of basically anything. I can't do any math now to see how towns chances would be should you flip town concerning victory. So i'm torn.. you seem a valid lynch target, Verb. But you have a point and i agree with BFG here... about AJ.. 

[Verbal32]

Verb still isn't blowing me away :( although he has picked up on my worst nightmare with an AJ/anybody mafia team lol.

 

 

 

@Verb, Why Zander over Dice, given that you don't seem to have a read on Dice?

 

 

 

@Verb, if you flip town and mafia still have a shot we have no mislynches left (assuming no town vig shots left; which is possible).

 

How sure are you that Talya and Thane are town? How caught up are you in thread?

 

 

And that was a response I've been waiting for from Talya, heh (and sort of shifts everybody back to bleh :/ at least until I've finished my Day 2 reread as a minimum

 

I've only played a couple of games with Zander, and I have no wolf meta on him.  In this game, I feel like he's not willing to accept he might be wrong on Talya.  Everything she says just confirms her as a wolf for him.  For many people, this would be very suspicious.  I can't say if it means that for him, though.  Just a gut feel for me.

 

And I don't need to "blow you away".  I've been playing catchup for most of the game - I was on vacation for the start.  Not your fault, obviously, but I have been acting the same way in this game as I usually do when a villager, minus the more activity and 'harder' stances.  I had Rand and Laine early on, thought maybe v/w, and said so on thread.  My mistake was to keep after Rand and not make the switch on thread that I was making in my head.  That single event is the ONLY dirt anybody has on me.

 

Protip: villagers make those mistakes all the time - wolves hardly do, because they are thinking hard about how they are perceived.  I was not, so if anything....that is another point for me, not against me.

[Verbal32]

See Verbal, here's my problem: there is one townie i'm sure about... me

 

second would be BFG because uncontested claim.

 

Third Zander because i think he'd be diffirent when wolf.

 

Aj so far has been doing ok, but yeah... i know that he can be a deep wolf from experience.

 

Talya... i dunno what Zander sees... but it makes sense, his case seems alright.

 

And you.. you're in my bottom 3. I also know you can try to talk yourself out of basically anything. I can't do any math now to see how towns chances would be should you flip town concerning victory. So i'm torn.. you seem a valid lynch target, Verb. But you have a point and i agree with BFG here... about AJ.. 

 

Read my above post.  You guys have 1 thing on me, and I debunked it in that post.

 

As for the bold above, I suggest you never use that thought process in mafia.  You have no idea, and not even an educated guess.  If you knew Zander IRL, then maybe I'd entertain you having an educated guess on how he'd be as a wolf.

 

Most solid players have great early wolf games because we have no idea how they'd be....so they fool us a few times before we can hone in on their specific tells.  Zander is like this - he's a good player, so he WILL fool people in the beginning.  At that point, it'll be on him to evolve his wolf game to adapt.  But in the beginning, there is little we can do.  Is this Zander's wolf game?  Meh, my gut says yes.  Am I wrong?  Perhaps.  But I'm not going to pretend I have something on him that makes it different -- I can only use a gut judgement on him before I know how he actually plays as a wolf.

[Verbal32]

Don't make this an easy mislynch, guys.  I doubt the village is just derping into my lynch......somebody is doing the push from a wolf agenda.  Who looks to be trying the hardest to get me lynched?

[BFG]

@Verb how confident are you on Thane and Talya? How caught up are you on thread?