Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

RandA lThor · July 8, 2015

I'm actually just going to post everything at once at work, but here's one post after my WoT on 24 that Im going to reply to because I'll forget about it after.

Thane being a sudden D1 wagon should be enough.

I'm willing to settle on him saying he's not scum to let him ride. Shad/Hallia scum imo

Maybe both? Don't feel particularly good about either

I really just want more time to figure Thane out, but I think his response to Hallia asking about his reads was a little snippy. I haven't seen anything scummy from Hallia as of yet, are you just placing her there because of your scum lean on Shad and that she supports the Thane lynch with him? Curious.

Hallia is actually a lot more solid than I've seen her in the past which is good because what has struck me about her in previous games is the fluffy-ness coming from her. I don't see much fluff right now, which I consider good.

Hally has fluff every single game, more of her personality, which she says, that in previous game she has fluffy-ness. Its not alignment indicative, but for some reason Laine considers it a good sign, and then Hally gets killed by the mafia. If Laine calls Hally town early on, and then kills her to see the flip, it might help her gain more town cred for reading her correctly. Scum read increasing.

Talya · July 8, 2015

@ Rand (I will respond because quoting is going funny.

At the time Darth had not put in the set up that wolves did not get a nk, he put it in later and said he had entered it on thread. You would have just seen what he had edited in.

Talya · July 8, 2015

I'm actually just going to post everything at once at work, but here's one post after my WoT on 24 that Im going to reply to because I'll forget about it after.

Thane being a sudden D1 wagon should be enough.

I'm willing to settle on him saying he's not scum to let him ride. Shad/Hallia scum imo

Maybe both? Don't feel particularly good about either

I really just want more time to figure Thane out, but I think his response to Hallia asking about his reads was a little snippy. I haven't seen anything scummy from Hallia as of yet, are you just placing her there because of your scum lean on Shad and that she supports the Thane lynch with him? Curious.

Hallia is actually a lot more solid than I've seen her in the past which is good because what has struck me about her in previous games is the fluffy-ness coming from her. I don't see much fluff right now, which I consider good.

Hally has fluff every single game, more of her personality, which she says, that in previous game she has fluffy-ness. Its not alignment indicative, but for some reason Laine considers it a good sign, and then Hally gets killed by the mafia. If Laine calls Hally town early on, and then kills her to see the flip, it might help her gain more town cred for reading her correctly. Scum read increasing.

sorry just catching up, it is more than likely Yates vigged hally, we're obviously not 100% sure, but from what he was saying it seems logical, so that would ruin this idea

Thane Vakarian · July 8, 2015

i'm pretty much certain that Hallia was not a wolf kill.....Rand, you need to step up your game, i'm getting inclined to put a vote on you.

i can understaand the people having some doubts about Laine. I've stated in a previous post that she is lacking the town leader spirit this game... that's how i feel about her at least.

Dice never reacted on where i put him on my list. I think he would have if he'd be town.

Shad_ · July 8, 2015

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/page-24?do=findComment&comment=3508419

Rand, can you explain why you're ignoring alltogether the setup spec from Thane, but commenting on it for Talya? It feels like you're setting up the next step. lso you ignore Laines participation in this conversation altogether, despite her being one of your suspects?

To your first question, it was because Talya was commenting on game specs that Darthe had already told us about (which is useless unless he's bastard modding) where as Thane was contemplating a game plan.

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices....

True, I like waiting for a smaller POE before people start vigging. No need to pull a Zander/Notbob, both killed strong townies N1.

1 Wolf 2x vigilante

1 Wolf 1x vigilante

1 Wolf 1x vigilante

Do you think they have an NK on top of the vig shots? If they did, theoretically they could kill 4 people N1 with that.

I think if they had nightkills as well, this could be over pretty quick. to me looks like they just have those 4, but this is a Darthe game, besides, I think that would be a too powerful wolf team.

See red, try again.

Talya · July 8, 2015

Quoting is not going well..

Post #417

Here she responded to me about Thane, She has him at null because he has some good posts and bad ones, but I don't see where she has liked his posts, she says he is pinging, but in a different way. - I think if she had showed the posts she liked and the posts she didn't you would see where she was coming from, but she didn't. They are all negative. so why not push the wolf lean, plus she feels guilty about what happened in the last game. Again I can understand IF Thane was Town but he was Wolf, not buying that bit. It doesn't usually bother her to hunt and find wolves.

Verbal32 · July 8, 2015

Rand/Laine for w/w?

Rand's vote was still wasted on the EOD no matter how you wanna look at it and perhaps the 'scummy' stuff he referred to with Laine comes from the perspective that he knows she's a wolf and therefore is already looking at her that way. Could be why most of us thought he was exaggerating.

That's sorta where I'm heading right now, yeah.

Laine is creeping her way down into my WTL pile pretty quickly.

Problem I'm having is idk who the third would be if those two are w/w. Probably getting ahead of myself on that note, but once the wheels get going they spin fast lol

If they are w/w, this game is gonna be easy. But there are a few others I have some thoughts about shooting tonight.....we'll see.

Talya · July 8, 2015

Oh it did one...

her reads for info

But for reals though:

Town: Zander Shad
Townish: Hally Andrej Yates
Mixed/IDK: Talya BFG
Scumish: Dice Thane

Null: Verb Pral Rand

Zander? · July 8, 2015

@ Talya you have an updated reads list and or WTL.

Shad_ · July 8, 2015

I'm actually just going to post everything at once at work, but here's one post after my WoT on 24 that Im going to reply to because I'll forget about it after.

Thane being a sudden D1 wagon should be enough.

I'm willing to settle on him saying he's not scum to let him ride. Shad/Hallia scum imo

Maybe both? Don't feel particularly good about either

I really just want more time to figure Thane out, but I think his response to Hallia asking about his reads was a little snippy. I haven't seen anything scummy from Hallia as of yet, are you just placing her there because of your scum lean on Shad and that she supports the Thane lynch with him? Curious.

Hallia is actually a lot more solid than I've seen her in the past which is good because what has struck me about her in previous games is the fluffy-ness coming from her. I don't see much fluff right now, which I consider good.

Hally has fluff every single game, more of her personality, which she says, that in previous game she has fluffy-ness. Its not alignment indicative, but for some reason Laine considers it a good sign, and then Hally gets killed by the mafia. If Laine calls Hally town early on, and then kills her to see the flip, it might help her gain more town cred for reading her correctly. Scum read increasing.

Do you think it is more likely that scum!Laine killed Hallia to make herself (and a majority of players) look better for reading her town, or that Yates killed Hallia because he said he would and had a vig shot?

RandA lThor · July 8, 2015

I'm actually just going to post everything at once at work, but here's one post after my WoT on 24 that Im going to reply to because I'll forget about it after.

Thane being a sudden D1 wagon should be enough.

I'm willing to settle on him saying he's not scum to let him ride. Shad/Hallia scum imo

Maybe both? Don't feel particularly good about either

I really just want more time to figure Thane out, but I think his response to Hallia asking about his reads was a little snippy. I haven't seen anything scummy from Hallia as of yet, are you just placing her there because of your scum lean on Shad and that she supports the Thane lynch with him? Curious.

Hallia is actually a lot more solid than I've seen her in the past which is good because what has struck me about her in previous games is the fluffy-ness coming from her. I don't see much fluff right now, which I consider good.

Hally has fluff every single game, more of her personality, which she says, that in previous game she has fluffy-ness. Its not alignment indicative, but for some reason Laine considers it a good sign, and then Hally gets killed by the mafia. If Laine calls Hally town early on, and then kills her to see the flip, it might help her gain more town cred for reading her correctly. Scum read increasing.

sorry just catching up, it is more than likely Yates vigged hally, we're obviously not 100% sure, but from what he was saying it seems logical, so that would ruin this idea

Didn't know that he mentioned he wanted to vig Hally, nvm on that then

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/page-24?do=findComment&comment=3508419

Rand, can you explain why you're ignoring alltogether the setup spec from Thane, but commenting on it for Talya? It feels like you're setting up the next step. lso you ignore Laines participation in this conversation altogether, despite her being one of your suspects?

To your first question, it was because Talya was commenting on game specs that Darthe had already told us about (which is useless unless he's bastard modding) where as Thane was contemplating a game plan.

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices....

True, I like waiting for a smaller POE before people start vigging. No need to pull a Zander/Notbob, both killed strong townies N1.

1 Wolf 2x vigilante

1 Wolf 1x vigilante

1 Wolf 1x vigilante

Do you think they have an NK on top of the vig shots? If they did, theoretically they could kill 4 people N1 with that.

I think if they had nightkills as well, this could be over pretty quick. to me looks like they just have those 4, but this is a Darthe game, besides, I think that would be a too powerful wolf team.

See red, try again.

Oh got it, read it out of context then. Move Talya to null for now then, I'll revisit my read after I"m done with my reread.

Zander? · July 8, 2015

I'm actually just going to post everything at once at work, but here's one post after my WoT on 24 that Im going to reply to because I'll forget about it after.

Thane being a sudden D1 wagon should be enough.

I'm willing to settle on him saying he's not scum to let him ride. Shad/Hallia scum imo

Maybe both? Don't feel particularly good about either

I really just want more time to figure Thane out, but I think his response to Hallia asking about his reads was a little snippy. I haven't seen anything scummy from Hallia as of yet, are you just placing her there because of your scum lean on Shad and that she supports the Thane lynch with him? Curious.

Hallia is actually a lot more solid than I've seen her in the past which is good because what has struck me about her in previous games is the fluffy-ness coming from her. I don't see much fluff right now, which I consider good.

Hally has fluff every single game, more of her personality, which she says, that in previous game she has fluffy-ness. Its not alignment indicative, but for some reason Laine considers it a good sign, and then Hally gets killed by the mafia. If Laine calls Hally town early on, and then kills her to see the flip, it might help her gain more town cred for reading her correctly. Scum read increasing.

sorry just catching up, it is more than likely Yates vigged hally, we're obviously not 100% sure, but from what he was saying it seems logical, so that would ruin this idea

Didn't know that he mentioned he wanted to vig Hally, nvm on that then

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/94787-belichick-mafia-day-two/page-24?do=findComment&comment=3508419

Rand, can you explain why you're ignoring alltogether the setup spec from Thane, but commenting on it for Talya? It feels like you're setting up the next step. lso you ignore Laines participation in this conversation altogether, despite her being one of your suspects?

To your first question, it was because Talya was commenting on game specs that Darthe had already told us about (which is useless unless he's bastard modding) where as Thane was contemplating a game plan.

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices....

True, I like waiting for a smaller POE before people start vigging. No need to pull a Zander/Notbob, both killed strong townies N1.

1 Wolf 2x vigilante

1 Wolf 1x vigilante

1 Wolf 1x vigilante

Do you think they have an NK on top of the vig shots? If they did, theoretically they could kill 4 people N1 with that.

I think if they had nightkills as well, this could be over pretty quick. to me looks like they just have those 4, but this is a Darthe game, besides, I think that would be a too powerful wolf team.

See red, try again.

Oh got it, read it out of context then. Move Talya to null for now then, I'll revisit my read after I"m done with my reread.

do you starting to look bad with this....i hope im not wrong on you...

Zander? · July 8, 2015

ebwop

dude not do

Verbal32 · July 8, 2015

@Zander

Why is Rand looking bad after that post, and not before? If anything, that post explains his internal thought process a bit.

Shad_ · July 8, 2015

I'm around kinda Hi Shad

Zander, if Talya is scum what are your thoughts on who her team mates might be?

Unrelated but I'm kind of frustrated right now because Hallia and Pral feel like real wastes of N1 vig shots and I doubt they died to scum. -_- Shooting Rand would have been more likely to kill scum given what we knew at the time and the flip would have given us decent leads either way.

^ Probably Yates that killed Hallia, right? That would make the most sense to me. I can see Yates as a mafia kill. Pral, I have no idea about.

Why would Yates be probable to kill Hallia?

Rand, reasons that I think Yates shot Hally:
Yates' post: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, just to name a few.

I feel like you're not even reading the thread, lol

To the 1,2,3,4,5,6 links, yeah you're right, still rereading, and I get that this is what most of you are mad about, but I'm honestly actually just rereading... um, I'll try to post where I'm at before I go to work at around 8:30, and then I'll work on it at work a little, just if its alright, someone quote me before I get lynched in case I miss it, so I get a notification and do the appropriate things (claim/give out final reads etc.)

Hally has fluff every single game, more of her personality, which she says, that in previous game she has fluffy-ness. Its not alignment indicative, but for some reason Laine considers it a good sign, and then Hally gets killed by the mafia. If Laine calls Hally town early on, and then kills her to see the flip, it might help her gain more town cred for reading her correctly. Scum read increasing.

sorry just catching up, it is more than likely Yates vigged hally, we're obviously not 100% sure, but from what he was saying it seems logical, so that would ruin this idea

Didn't know that he mentioned he wanted to vig Hally, nvm on that then

You're tripping me out man. Do you see why?

Talya · July 8, 2015

After EOD

Post #977

Has a hard time reading BFG.

Doesn't like Hally's vote on Yates, but likes her push back and can't see how anyone can call her scum.

Mentions Thane and Pral being on DM but not around (Shad noticed it I think)

-------------

Stupid DM...another quote gone wrong!

Morning Alanna!!! getting caught up and im around. what are your current thoughts atp?

Current thoughts in my post above, current reads list:

Top town: Shad Zander Andrej

Towny: BFG Verbal Talya

Mixed: Dice

Bottom two: Thane Rand

Her latest list. Although she says Thane has improved D2 she still has him down there.

If Rand was wolf, would he come in and plonk (or try to) a vote on a team mate, someone who already had a vote? Apart from Dice I don't think anyone else would have jumped on that wagon.

Still keeping her in the wolf lean area. I think she is more decisive as town, and happy to get stuck in on reads, they have been few in coming, although questions asked, not giving much of what she is thinking.

Zander? · July 8, 2015

@Zander

Why is Rand looking bad after that post, and not before? If anything, that post explains his internal thought process a bit.

his responses to it

Talya · July 8, 2015

@ Talya you have an updated reads list and or WTL.

Town

AJ - still liking him, some sound reasoning

Shad - gone back up now

BFG - overall I have liked her posts,

Thane - Still have a town read on him, I'm glad he came back to play, would like to hear more from him.

Verb - I have liked his thoughts so far.

Dice - Had him down as town lean before, but I would like to see more, it is D2 and still just going for Alanna, has a few town reads and BFG at null, would like to hear some more,. Moving down to Null.

Zander - yep you are still there, although you haven't been so in your face for the last few pages.

Alanna - Already said

Rand - Already said

Zander? · July 8, 2015

You're "test" was silly and Talya is experienced enough to not need a derp clear
Agreed. See above.

THEN WHY DID SHE DO IT??!!!

Why don't you ask,, same with Hally.

You're "test" was silly and Talya is experienced enough to not need a derp clear
Agreed. See above.
THEN WHY DID SHE DO IT??!!!
I agree, and that's why I initially didn't like her. She's improved, though

My god her move is like totally reminding me of something...like let me think....like...ummm... OH YEAH 2 SCUMMATES CLAIMING MASON. just a gambit/play that backfired and was caught.

Except Talyas not Yates. I don't know if Talya fanboys, but Yates fanboys like it's going out of fashion

ive more then towned myself clear at this point compared to Talya imo.
Some people don't know how to Town clear themselves if their life depends on it. I think Talya is one of them. Thane is another, fwiw, and Hally knows that. And that's why her push on Thane looks suspicious.

difference being shes got a lot more experience then I do and as you know and ive mentioned i dont really understand certain game setups and stuff atp. like let me put it to you this way....if it was like seph or shad it wouldnt bother me as much. does that make sense?
I get you. But I don't know that Talya is all that well versed in setups. At the very least, she didn't play for my first full year and a half here. So I think of her as a new player to me which means that the DM mafia meta should be new to her due to a massive evolution. Has she modded before? That might be more compelling.

I have modded in the past, in the BT, but that was a long time ago, things have changed a lot since I used to play originally on here. Basic games were 3 wolves, doc and cop and advanced games were add a few more roles in, and that was about it unless you played DPRs games, which were just way out there and so confusing beyong belief.

You're 100% wrong on me, and so far your arguments are looking pretty poor /shrug
Zander is still working on the casing aspect of his game but his instincts have been solid for a while, as you remember from last game... Please refer to the "Zander fan club" QT for more information...
Specifically his case that I recall is tone, aggression and gut. I've argued the first 2, can't do anything about the 3rd but say he's wrong, and I don't know what it is about the posts he quotes that he doesn't like, so until he explains I can't do anything else but explain what I think he's asking.

fwiw i would rather lynch Tayla.

I know, I've just liked too many of her posts today to think her mafia

Just wanted to note connections between BFG and Talya and the fact that Yates thought her response to the test could be different if she modded.

Zander? · July 8, 2015

@ Talya you have an updated reads list and or WTL.

Town

AJ - still liking him, some sound reasoning

Shad - gone back up now

BFG - overall I have liked her posts,

Thane - Still have a town read on him, I'm glad he came back to play, would like to hear more from him.

Verb - I have liked his thoughts so far.

Dice - Had him down as town lean before, but I would like to see more, it is D2 and still just going for Alanna, has a few town reads and BFG at null, would like to hear some more,. Moving down to Null.

Zander - yep you are still there, although you haven't been so in your face for the last few pages.

Alanna - Already said

Rand - Already said

another BFG and Talya connection.

sorry...im slacking Ill pick it up soon enough!!!! lololololololol

Verbal32 · July 8, 2015

^ not sure I'd call that last post a connection just because Talya has BFG in her town pile.....

Verbal32 · July 8, 2015

....and of course I page break the thread with a post I use "^" in

Talya · July 8, 2015

clutching again Zander...I haven't modded in years, and things are different.

If you go by that, I also have a connection to AJ and Shad? EDIT: Verb brought it up already..

so that was why you wanted my list so you could bring that up.

Zander? · July 8, 2015

clutching again Zander...I haven't modded in years, and things are different.

If you go by that, I also have a connection to AJ and Shad? EDIT: Verb brought it up already..

so that was why you wanted my list so you could bring that up.

no actually i wanted it for everyone to note when you flip wolf.

Zander? · July 8, 2015

^ not sure I'd call that last post a connection just because Talya has BFG in her town pile.....

thats cool. I do though.

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