Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[Zander?]

And "huge defense" was not a good way to word it on my part.  I said what I was thinking instead of what I was seeing.  But suffice to say she reacted very.... unexpectedly? to Zander's "Talya pings me" line.

 

Thats why my other Wolf Lean is BFG.

[Shad_]

Ok, I re-read all of BFG's posts, and it's... well, she read me like a book at the beginning of the game.  Even in calling me out I thought her complaints were pretty legit, to the point where I noted that it didn't bother me that she seemed to be sheeping AJ's argument but the reverse would have made me suspicious of AJ.  Her push on me did not bother me and still doesn't on ISO.  BFG happens to have some unique insight into my thought process thanks to being my mentor in SW, and the points she made were kind of accurate.  Like when she noted I didn't seem to be paying much attention, I really wasn't--at least not to the extent that I usually do.

 

But her interactions with and reads on other people are making me uneasy.  Going to go through again and point out some things I don't like.  Getting a sort of sick feeling that there's a slight possibility I put scum at the top of my town list earlier.  -_-

[RandA lThor]

Still need to reread, but I need someone to give me Shad_'s personality, not as a mafia player but just in general if that makes sense?  As a mafia player too I guess, that's important

[Shad_]

Jumps straight into the game, asks me and AJ a lot of (I think) pretty reasonable questions.  At least one person called her unusually agressive, but it feels like proactive town play to me.  She's starting out null and asking us both questions to develop her reads.

p15 Starts feeling comfortable with my explanation, "Ok that makes more sense :)"
p16 Town reads AJ, says she agrees with a lot of his observations on me (Doesn't specify what, but AJ's pointing out that I missed some talking points and that he doesn't think my explanation makes much sense.)
~BFG doesn't actually directly challenge my explanation after the "that makes more sense" comment, but focuses on the missed talking points later.
Asking people to explain their reads/give thoughts on others.

p18 Quotes Laine's reads and asks her to explain them.  (townish on me, Zander, Yates, and AJ)  Same post quotes Zander's reads and says "o_O hmmm..."  (feels good about Yates, likes AJ's tone, Alanna is "mayor", "Only one kinda pinging me in the least is Talya can't quite put my finger on it.")

Follows this post with "Zander, didn't you have Talya as null? What did she do to start pinging?"

Then "Zander, this is what Talia posted between your reads, and your interaction. I'll admit she posted more than I remembered, I'd still like a reason of possible :)"

She quotes Zander saying "Talya seems to be into it but no real read on her yet.", quotes all of Talya's posts from that point forward, ends quoting Zander's "ping" post.

~~This is really the first thing BFG says that seems odd to me.  I'm still feeling strong town about her as I write this up until this point.  What makes this post odd for me is a lot of people have stated reads and BFG has asked for clarification.  When Talya's name comes up, she gets weird.  Doesn't ask Zander to explain his other reads (this is her first interaction with him in the game), but actually makes a bit of a to-do about the Talya ping and posts Talya's ISO to that point.

Is it scummy?  Well, I don't suppose it has to be, if she was feeling good about Talya and the ping really threw her off.  Maybe she liked Yates' "derp clear" of Talya?  She didn't comment on it, but I feel like she's been more focused on making reads than stating them.  I'm ok with it in isolation.

p19 She tells Laine "Regarding Shad, there's something I'm not sure about at the moment, I feel like he's not paying attention or something and that worries me somewhat."  Responds to Dice's initial Laine vote (he later said the vote was a joke) with "Aggressive town Dice or just angry Dice?"  Politely points out to Thane that he's confusing her with Laine.

Eventually reads Dice town for his aggro on Laine, finds my observation on Thane "interesting", notes that she's only really noticed him stating that he likes Zander but he seems to be posting more.
 

 

 

Responding to these then I have to go :)
 

@ BFG - What makes you feel like Shad isn't paying attention?
 
About Dice, he was like that in the SW game, he seems to grasp something and go for the juglar, doesn't mean he is always right, but I haven't seen him do it when he was wolf.

Stuff like Yates reaction test, there have been several instances where people have confused things people have said. I have Shad down as a 'fact checker' this is an easy game to do that in so far, so is he missing t, doesn't think it matters, doesn't care???

It's all little things, but so far he's liked AJ, myself, Thane and you for town (?). I haven't seen him find anything suspicious yet. I don't know if I can explain this yet, and part of it may be down to the difference between what he posts and the notes he has (some of which were shared on the QT last game)

His observations when he makes them are generally well thought out, it's just everything feels overworked(?)

Incidentally this is why I need Clov playing - so he can find the right words :(

And I have someone to sheep/tunnel/tinfoil on

 
 

unlike the previous game, there's 0% chance i'll flip scum here.
 
as  for entrance, i like how you get into the game immediately BFG. No fluff there. So, i'm mixed. Either very town and on it, or wolf and doing everything to hide.
 
mind if i treat you as a suspect, BFG?

 
I'd rather you didn't, but this post helps me feel better about you (at least a little)
 

lol..I saw that as "treat you with respect" thane, and thought that you should anyway, lol...then I reread it!
 
do you have any reads yet BFG

You should always treat me with, well something.

Nothing concrete, too much fluff at the beginning, just digging into the good stuff.

I want to say I like AJ and Thane for town, Zanders recent posts have reads thoughts beyond non game stuff so probably him. Dice's assertiveness is probably a good look, but I want to wait here.

Torn on Shad and Yates. Not much opinion on others yet.

 

 

 

 

Then this post.  I liked this post.  Made me think I probably was slacking and needed to pick up the pace.  BFG has a good idea of what my pace can be.  Sounded reasonable.  In retrospect, she criticized me for failing to comment where "there have been several instances where people have confused things people have said", and this is kind of garbage.  Why didn't she point these things out herself if she found them?  Or if she did point them out, why should I repeat her?  Meh.  Still hard for me to dislike her assessment of my game at that point overall.

One thing to note is it does repeat a lot of what AJ said earlier.  Could be sheeping, could be because they shared the same concerns about me.  AJ's post was:
 

 

 

 

Whatcha thinking Andrej?

Like I said, mostly a hunch. I don't really understand his progression on BFG or the explanation he provided.

It also seems that he's more off topic than not (he isn't the only guilty one of this) but there have been places in the game where I feel like opportunities were there to make observations and he didn't. For instance, the Yates test and the Thane posts a few of us have commented on. I don't remember him saying anything about these and instead he's telling us about his house. Which is great and all but doesn't catch wolves.

 

 

 

 

Besides that, she's feeling AJ and Thane for town, Zander and Dice leaning town, torn on me and Yates.  "Not much opinion on others yet."  Kind of odd that she didn't have an opinion on Talya after ISOing her, especially with the Yates "test", but she's also directly responding to a question from Talya.  Don't know if that makes a difference.

AJ
Thane

Zander
Dice

Shad
Yates

p20 Good explanation of her concerns with me, imo.  Notes that I missed Thane confusing BFG with Laine, doesn't think Star Wars Shad would have.  I really did miss it and I don't think I would have in SW so yeah, truth isn't scummy.  Surprised I had nothing to say about Yates "test".  I might have mentioned it in our QT last game--wouldn't (didn't) post but I can see the concern.  Quote follows:
 

 

 

On phone so won't quote.

Regarding Shad, I'm not saying he's not reading the thread, I'm saying I don't think he's paying attention. Yates reaction 'test' was an obvious thing to comment on, Yates later said that AJ and Shad debunked it. AJ didn't, he said it would be an autowin for town although he thought it was against the spirit of the game. So far I haven't seen anyone else comment about it, Shad is someone I would expect to notice, comment, question that, especially considering it's Yates after last game.

Pointing out the obvious flaw in Yates argument is obvious, the stuff Shad isn't commenting on is what's 'worrying' me.



Off the top of my head Thane has mixed up me and Laine already, I think I remember Shad posting soon after. I think I remember more, but will have to go back to give examples, won't be till tonight, maybe tomorrow.


And maybe my expectations are wrong /shrug

He's also made good points, his read on Thane is good, but I don't think I've ever read every post somebody makes and think they're ALL bad or all good.

Which is pretty much why I've been saying I'm torn.

Either way I'll get a better read when he comes back into thread.


@Zander lol you're not even the first person in this thread to think I'm 'trying to compensate for somethi

 

 

 

p24 asking a lot of reasonable questions.  Doesn't hop on me for switching gears a bit, just asks me to explain myself.  Wants Laine to explain her issues with Dice before committing to town reading him.  Wants AJ to specify what ultimately lead to his vote on me.
 

 

 

Ugh running late

@AJ talk me through your read on Shad, specifically what caused your vote?

@Laine talk me through your read on Dice, specifically what makes this game similar to Mass Effect and as a side how much was Dice talked about before he was kicked into POE? I've just ISO'd Dice in that game and his tone/conviction is miles apart from this game and Star Wars.

@Shad talk me through your read on Thane. Am I wrong to feel uneasy that you've now taken 2 excuses (feeling more comfortable from Laine and the disconnect between your notes and what you post that I mentioned) as to why you seem different?


Right now unless Laine has a really good answer Dice is probably my only town read that I won't tinfoil on in the next 12 hours

I'll be on at lunch

 

 

 

p26 says "Talya, I'm going to be really sad if you're mafia!", has still yet to give any opinion whatsoever on Talya despite ISOing her in-game.  Odd.

Hates Zander's wtl list (Thane, Talya, BFG)

Zander questions her comment on Talya, BFG says she "really liked Talyas posts today"

Questions whether AJ and Zander have any good basis on which to think she's unusually aggressive, points out games she has played in with them.

p27 Doesn't have a strong read on Hallia yet, needs to reread.

Says Zander's arguments look "pretty poor", doesn't specify.  Plays 'who made better reads in other games' with Zander a bit, nitpicks a little with Zander's wording.  Eventually says Zander tends to make better reads than her but he's off on at least one (herself).  Agrees to pay more attention to Talya and Thane.  Explains that she's more aggressive as town and passive as wolf, and Zander ought to know this.  She's happy with Zander's mixed thoughts on Thane.  Quote of the last point below:
 

 

 

 

 

 

Shad who you thinking besides Thane?

Im not fully sold on him yet as I want to see how he responds.

I kind of felt like Rand was doing a first read yet already had Laine and Talya in his sights, and his town read of Thane seemed to boil down to Laine questioning him plus this post:

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices....

Long quotes are being buggy for me right now so you'll have to hop back to his catch-up posts on p24 for more.

Not a great start for Rand imo. Will look a lot worse if Thane flips scum, but he's got plenty of room to recover. I'll take another look at Talya and maybe try to dig up a game where she was scum, but she didn't strike me as out of character for her town game on a quick read. I would lynch Thane if we had to lynch somebody right now, but we don't have to lynch somebody because scum have limited NKs. Thoughts on not lynching D1 if nothing else surfaces?

got no problems here with your thought process but I wanna give Thane some time to respond. I feel kinda null to slight wolf lean BUT he's more active this game and people jumped on his verb laya comment for kinda meh reasons. but i HATED his reaction vote. not sure Scum!Thane drops that bad a reaction vote imo. wanna give him a chance before lunch time,

Don't disagree with this

 

 

 

 

p28 continues to argue with Zander, it's getting kind of redundent, she does point out "if you don't like my play it's up to you to explain it" which is true.  Not sure what she's talking about when she says she'll go back and read with "this in mind" (quote)
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

? Last game your reads were good. Doesn't mean I'm not going to have my reads.

You still haven't explained my 'expect' question

i have no problems with you giving your reads BFG its the fact you said mine were wrong and that that was a problem then said that my reads are better. thats just plain weird imo. Your upset that Im thinking you may be a wolf. that can be deer caught in the headlights of my Town Car or frustrated Townie, Ill figure it out for sure soon enough.

Not sure what you mean by "expect" question can you please elaborate or show me??!!

Beyond that if you don't like my play it's up to you to explain it

im pretty sure I have been. just because you dont agree with or feel I havent dont mean that i havent. i dont back away from my reads and i go with what i feel unless you clear yourself to me,

I said you were wrong on ME and that I disagreed with your reads. I'm happy to admit yours may be better, time will tell.



You said that your read on me was tone. But you either said or agreed with AJ saying that I was more aggressive than you'd expect, off the top of my head I can't remember which.

What you expect is meta not tone. Hey you have no basis for that meta. It is meta AJ could have, although outdated. If it's a tone read then why say you agree with AJ about what he expects?

i agreed with him that i thought your tone was aggressive this game. im not seeing what your getting at. the aggressiveness is purely based on this game. based on our interactions in the Band I dont peg you as aggressive fwiw.

Fair enough, I'll get to the initial post and read with this in mind.

This isn't the Band, it's mafia :)

[insert Dorothy Kansas gif]

 

 

 

 

p29 More arguing with Zander, says "I'm BFG and post how I feel. I tend to get more frustrated in small games and push more. I'll observe more in more active games, sort of the opposite of most other players /shrug"  She said something similar to this earlier in the game I think.

p32 Odd response to AJ.  She corrects him when he points out that I didn't comment on the Yates test, but what she points out is something she hadn't liked earlier.  Could read this multiple ways so I'm not going to put much weight into it.
 

 

 

 

 

Whatcha thinking Andrej?

Like I said, mostly a hunch. I don't really understand his progression on BFG or the explanation he provided.

It also seems that he's more off topic than not (he isn't the only guilty one of this) but there have been places in the game where I feel like opportunities were there to make observations and he didn't. For instance, the Yates test and the Thane posts a few of us have commented on. I don't remember him saying anything about these and instead he's telling us about his house. Which is great and all but doesn't catch wolves.

Shad was the one who debunked Yates theory...

 

 

 

 

Follows up on her statement that she needs to reread Hallia, these are her comments having read to page 16:
 

 

 

Page 16 and not going to get to the end before deadline.

Thus far I'm liking Hallia at a general level, she's commenting, forming reads from the major events although quiet.

Possible ping in that I think I remember from her reread today not liking Yates early (from earlier today) but when she initially read the thread Yates/AH were her town reads. I can't check this right now though and remember liking more from her posts than that is a negative, if that makes sense.

I dont see Talyas earlier ISOs from mafia, particularly the one on Thane.

Not particularly happy with either of these trains

 

 

 

Generally seems like she's not sold on Hallia but doesn't think she's a good lynch candidate, doesn't see scum!Talya making the comment she did on Thane, if I'm reading this correctly.  Talya's first direct comment on Thane that I see is p18 "Someone else said but Thane seemed more engaged in this game and I agree."

p33 Points out that Talya is not Yates when Zander compares Talya's no lynch vote to Yates' mason claim in SW.  ISOs Dice in ME and continues to feel good about him as town (quote)
 

 

 

Laine

Re Dice. I can sort of see what you mean, and need to read ME in context. In ISO Dice in ME sounds nothing like Dice in SW or here based on conviction and tone. It's not the action, although partly that, but the way he does it. He builds up to the vote in ME, in SW he votes straight away. This is different because he votes and reasons afterwards, but the tone/language is closer to SW than ME

Town pending more info imo

 

 

 

Asks me to explain my switch to a scum read of Thane.

p34 Her and Laine coming to terms on Dice, says she find more reading him in context in ME instead of in ISO but really comfortable with him right now.  Points out that AJ and Yates read Dice well and feel good about him too.

p35 Corrects herself, likes AJ's read of Dice but not Yates' (I will keel over if I try to dig this up at this point)

Can't really work with Zander if he won't specify what he doesn't like about her.

Has liked too many of Talya's recent posts to believe she's scum.

p37 second guesses her read on Dice, doesn't like him justifying his tone as "hungover", doesn't understand Thane's comment on Dice

Sees AJ's "more recent posts on Shad" and follows him "regarding Shad's reaction to Yates' no lynch theory."  Not sure what exactly she's refering to, doesn't quote.

p38 Asks Hallia for an example where she's been scum with Thane.

Then, the reads list:
 

 

 

Mostly confused.

Early game is really throwing my reads, and I'm not going to get to the end before CF :/

AJ
Talya
Dice

Yates
Zander

Laine
Hallia

Thane
Pral
Shad
Rand



I don't know, opinion is being swayed by whose posted most recently in game.

I haven't got toRands reentrance yet and don't recall what he said and null is bad.

regarding Thane I had him as light town day 1 in SW wasn't until his Day 2 that he became obvious, so imay be being overly cautious there. Icant clear him on tone/ease in thread, and he's commenting on individual posts, but not seeming to connect dots yet. The only full read I've seen was on me and that was effectively null. Town Thane reads me that way, not sure how mafia Thane reads me though.

I have some townie vibes, some mafia vibes from most other people, I need to think.

don't dislike Shads list I saw earlier, although I disagree with where he has Dice.

 

 

 

(she follows up asking if I should be higher)

List is consistant except for Thane dropping and she explains this.  Points out that he's not "connecting the dots yet", which I think is funny because those are the exact words Thane used.  She doesn't like that I have Dice null--not sure I get that since I wasn't scum reading him.  I was pretty clear about I'm not going to give him a free pass every time he tunnels someone at random D1.  The big wtf with this list is Rand being at the bottom when she says she doesn't remember his posts.  I call her out on this and p47/48 she explains that she's read the thread, just hasn't really studied it yet.  She also said there's no order in each group so Rand is in more of a 4-way tie for worst I guess.

I find it odd that Rand's catch-up didn't stand out to her the first time through considering that, town or wolf, it was definitely outlandish.  Also kind of weird that she didn't vote him.  Is weird a kind enough word for it?  At the time the trains were Rand and Hallia with three votes each.  She was giving Hallia a bit of a town read.  Rand was in her scum pile.  And she opts to not vote?  -_-

p48 Town reads Hallia for posts on p43

 

*cough*  *hack*  *wheeze*

 

[Shad_]

Verdict: BFG's progressions are smooth as ice and she's really doing her homework.  Little things like town reading Talya without asking her questions first when she pressed others to get early reads.  A big thing in not voting Rand.  But all-in-all, if BFG is wolf she's pretty impressive.  I've never seen a wolf maintain this level of consistency, conform so many reads to responses, and put in this much work.  Is scum!BFG this good?  Someone in this game ought to know.  I have a feeling my strong town read out the gate is going to hold up.  The things that bug me do not trump the many, many things that do not here.  If I went into this much detail on anyone I would find a couple issues.

 

So yeah, tell me scum BFG is really great at pretending to hunt wolves and evolve fake reads organically, preferably with a game example, or I'll be happy to put the breaks on her slide down from my town pile.

[Andrej]

[v]Rand[/v]

[Andrej]

Have read most of the stuff covered today at glance when I could afford the time. I'll be on my laptop soon to quote/respond accordingly.

 

Still pretty good voting Rand at this point. I agree with Verb's comment about how if he were a mislynch we likely would've seen him swing yesterday. The fact two villagers have flipped on his wagon plus my read on Shad & Talya I agree that could've very easily been a pure town wagon. The fact it didn't go through is troublesome and nothing Rand posted today makes me feel better about him.

[Zander?]

Have read most of the stuff covered today at glance when I could afford the time. I'll be on my laptop soon to quote/respond accordingly.

 

Still pretty good voting Rand at this point. I agree with Verb's comment about how if he were a mislynch we likely would've seen him swing yesterday. The fact two villagers have flipped on his wagon plus my read on Shad & Talya I agree that could've very easily been a pure town wagon. The fact it didn't go through is troublesome and nothing Rand posted today makes me feel better about him.

 

whats thoughts if rand flips town?

[Shad_]

What's icky is there's not much left.  So 3 scum between:

BFG, AJ, Verbal, Talya, Dice, Laine, Rand, Zander, and Thane.

Back to town reading BFG after that rather exhausting ISO.
I think Zander is wrong but he's being so Zander.  Hard to believe he could fake this.
AJ hasn't given me any cause to doubt.
Talya feels like town Talya pretty much.  I might be wary that I've found her so agreeable D1 when I usually don't town read her until D2, but I want to think that's becaus I've played a few games with her now.  She's still going against the grain/doing her own thing e.g. scum reading Zander and null on Laine when a lot of people are town reading them.

 

Read at present:

 

 

AJ - I have had a good feeling about his posts, I don't see the tunneling that some do, I saw that in the SW game on Seph and this seems more logical and thought out.

Hally - not voting her today, I have really like her posts and thought processes.

BFG - Her questioning and opening part of the game seem sound to me.

 

Dice - I did get a town read on his initial posts to Alanna, I would like to hear more from him

Thane - he had a couple of posts I didn't like towards the end, with his OMGUS vote, but overall, I have a town feel on him.

Shad - I like his posts first of all, I went back and reread, I think I looked too deeply into what he was saying and got a little wrapped up in it. not as high as first, but still on the towny side

Laya - I have like the first few posts he has done, not agreeing with his vote on Hally, positive feel atm

Yates - I have liked posts so far, his thing he did, I don't see what the point of that was if he was wolf, in another game where another team maybe, but can't see what information he would get out of it as a wolf. The only way would be if he was trying clear team mates, I know I'm town, so I'm not seeing this. Still hasn't answer my question on Hally thought. slight town read.

Alanna - I'm not getting a town read on her, however not getting a strong wolf read. There have been a couple of things that I have noticed mainly to do with Thane, and this brings her down to a null

Zander - He grates at me, and I'm not sure where this makes me want to put him. He did this in the last game, and is doing it here, not sure if that means he is town here. There doesn't seem to be any progression in his reads and seems to push others for what they think and then jumps on that.

Rand - Really didn't like his first few posts, there was more fluff in them than needed, and quite a bit has happened so missed a lot, seemed to pick on some inane things to point someone Alanna as scum, although I don't like her stuff with Thane, his did seem reaching. Quite happily vote here

Verb - Verbal, Verbal, where for art thou Verbal -send out a search party

 

the list sort of goes down from Town to mafia, (Apart from Verb), some in the middle can easily go up or down though

 

 

SW might not have been a great example of scum!Verbal, I don't know, but I wanted to lynch him D1 his tone was so different from Alien.  He's talking like Alien again in this game.  Feels good.
Laine feels like Laine but maybe less active?  She's not leading the pack like I'm used to but she didn't D1 in SW either.  Thinking it's an availability thing.
Most people like Dice.
Thane looking better.
Rand not looking better enough.
 

Dice Thane and Rand?  Meh.  What else do we have?  Laine being sneaky wolf, able to replicate her tone but maybe not her content so much?  I do see connections between BFG and Talya, mainly in their town reads of each other without much explanation, but I don't get scum vibes from either of them.  A deeper wolf really pulling the wool over our eyes?

[Shad_]

[v]Rand[/v]

 

[v]Rand[/v] only lynch I'm feeling pretty good about.

[Shad_]

 

Have read most of the stuff covered today at glance when I could afford the time. I'll be on my laptop soon to quote/respond accordingly.

 

Still pretty good voting Rand at this point. I agree with Verb's comment about how if he were a mislynch we likely would've seen him swing yesterday. The fact two villagers have flipped on his wagon plus my read on Shad & Talya I agree that could've very easily been a pure town wagon. The fact it didn't go through is troublesome and nothing Rand posted today makes me feel better about him.

 

whats thoughts if rand flips town?

 

 

I'll revisit your train of thought really, really hard.  But finding a wolf in it is going to be really, really hard too.  <_<

[Shad_]

I encourage you all to look through my commentary on BFG and see if I missed something obviously fishy.

 

BFG, explain in detail your town read of Talya please, and why you opted to not vote Rand before going to bed.

[Zander?]

 

[v]Rand[/v]nch

 

[v]Rand[/v] only lynch I'm feeling pretty good about.

 

 

im not sure Rand flips wolf here but ANYTHING is better then a No Lynch.  we need the info.  But im feeling a wolfy vibe from BFG/Talya...only places I can see myself voting unless a major slip of some sorts.

[Zander?]

 

 

Have read most of the stuff covered today at glance when I could afford the time. I'll be on my laptop soon to quote/respond accordingly.

 

Still pretty good voting Rand at this point. I agree with Verb's comment about how if he were a mislynch we likely would've seen him swing yesterday. The fact two villagers have flipped on his wagon plus my read on Shad & Talya I agree that could've very easily been a pure town wagon. The fact it didn't go through is troublesome and nothing Rand posted today makes me feel better about him.

 

whats thoughts if rand flips town?

 

 

I'll revisit your train of thought really, really hard.  But finding a wolf in it is going to be really, really hard too.  <_<

 

 

Do you feel that they are tied together one way or the other.  If one flips wolf does that make them both wolfs or vice verses iyo? who do you feel better about?

[Andrej]

 

Have read most of the stuff covered today at glance when I could afford the time. I'll be on my laptop soon to quote/respond accordingly.

 

Still pretty good voting Rand at this point. I agree with Verb's comment about how if he were a mislynch we likely would've seen him swing yesterday. The fact two villagers have flipped on his wagon plus my read on Shad & Talya I agree that could've very easily been a pure town wagon. The fact it didn't go through is troublesome and nothing Rand posted today makes me feel better about him.

 

whats thoughts if rand flips town?

 

I'll need to revisit then, but I would rather confirm him first before I start to tinfoil on other players who I don't find as scummy. If he flips town then I think Verb might be suspect but admittedly that's through weak association.

[Andrej]

Dice Thane and Rand?  Meh.  What else do we have?  Laine being sneaky wolf, able to replicate her tone but maybe not her content so much?  I do see connections between BFG and Talya, mainly in their town reads of each other without much explanation, but I don't get scum vibes from either of them.  A deeper wolf really pulling the wool over our eyes?

 

Gonna double check Dice sometime but I remember thinking his posts from this morning were okay.

 

What's got you doubting Thane again? Mostly POE or something else?

 

Rand probably a wolf and the first I'd like to confirm in any event.

 

I think what you have to say about Laine has merit - I'm not particularly feeling great about her but I don't think I could put a hard finger down on it yet. I will note that I dislike that she wasn't on any wagon D1 despite being present for most of it.

 

Not really sure on BFG. I have a sort of soft spot for her so it's hard for me to scum read her until the point when I do and then I still feel bad afterwards.

[Shad_]

I think w/w

 

 

 

 

Have read most of the stuff covered today at glance when I could afford the time. I'll be on my laptop soon to quote/respond accordingly.

Still pretty good voting Rand at this point. I agree with Verb's comment about how if he were a mislynch we likely would've seen him swing yesterday. The fact two villagers have flipped on his wagon plus my read on Shad & Talya I agree that could've very easily been a pure town wagon. The fact it didn't go through is troublesome and nothing Rand posted today makes me feel better about him.

 

whats thoughts if rand flips town?

 

 

I'll revisit your train of thought really, really hard.  But finding a wolf in it is going to be really, really hard too.  <_<

 

 

Do you feel that they are tied together one way or the other.  If one flips wolf does that make them both wolfs or vice verses iyo? who do you feel better about?

 

 

The only reads BFG made that I question are Rand and Talya.  I never fully understand Talya's reads but her BFG read is odder than most.  I don't know man, I see connections but not necessarily scum connections.  I'll tell you this: if Rand and Talya both flip scum I'd roll with you on a BFG lynch.  But I don't think Rand/Talya w/w is remotely realistic and I don't think Talya's dying any time soon short of a vig shot.

[Shad_]

haha I have no idea how "I think w/w" got up there above the quote but it's super misleading.

[Shad_]

 

Dice Thane and Rand?  Meh.  What else do we have?  Laine being sneaky wolf, able to replicate her tone but maybe not her content so much?  I do see connections between BFG and Talya, mainly in their town reads of each other without much explanation, but I don't get scum vibes from either of them.  A deeper wolf really pulling the wool over our eyes?

 

Gonna double check Dice sometime but I remember thinking his posts from this morning were okay.

 

What's got you doubting Thane again? Mostly POE or something else?

 

Rand probably a wolf and the first I'd like to confirm in any event.

 

I think what you have to say about Laine has merit - I'm not particularly feeling great about her but I don't think I could put a hard finger down on it yet. I will note that I dislike that she wasn't on any wagon D1 despite being present for most of it.

 

Not really sure on BFG. I have a sort of soft spot for her so it's hard for me to scum read her until the point when I do and then I still feel bad afterwards.

 

 

I think my immediate emotional reaction to the "I quit" post faded a bit when he didn't actually quit.  (But that's a good thing Thane!  Stick with us!  )  Still would like to see him engage the game more.  Kind of still low on my list for lack of better options.  Rand's the only decent lynch I'm seeing for D2 right now though.

[Andrej]

@Wolves

 

 

 

Watch yourselves

 

 

Kind of sad no one responded to this so I could call them wolfy for reading it lol

 

Anyway - this is my place marker. Gonna read ahead from pg 49

[Zander?]

 

 

Have read most of the stuff covered today at glance when I could afford the time. I'll be on my laptop soon to quote/respond accordingly.

 

Still pretty good voting Rand at this point. I agree with Verb's comment about how if he were a mislynch we likely would've seen him swing yesterday. The fact two villagers have flipped on his wagon plus my read on Shad & Talya I agree that could've very easily been a pure town wagon. The fact it didn't go through is troublesome and nothing Rand posted today makes me feel better about him.

 

whats thoughts if rand flips town?

 

I'll need to revisit then, but I would rather confirm him first before I start to tinfoil on other players who I don't find as scummy. If he flips town then I think Verb might be suspect but admittedly that's through weak association.

 

 

how does this link to verb?  you think hes just jumped and went to Rand or what?  I think Verbs a slight town read atp.  But obv not a lot to go on.

[Andrej]

how does this link to verb?  you think hes just jumped and went to Rand or what?  I think Verbs a slight town read atp.  But obv not a lot to go on.

 

More or less. Still wanna see more from both parties before I can really reconcile this thought but I tend to work this way when evaluating how players handle one another when you can look back once flips are revealed.

[Zander?]

 

how does this link to verb?  you think hes just jumped and went to Rand or what?  I think Verbs a slight town read atp.  But obv not a lot to go on.

 

More or less. Still wanna see more from both parties before I can really reconcile this thought but I tend to work this way when evaluating how players handle one another when you can look back once flips are revealed.

 

 

makes sense to me.  No Lynch not an option here today.

[Andrej]

Kind of sketched out by Laine's posts on pg 54 but maybe I'm just being paranoid.

 

At this point there's 3 wolves in 10 players. Take yourself out and you get 9, 1/3 of those are wolves.

 

Clear some town reads and post your POE pool imo and I think we'll have a pretty clear direction to move in for toDay.

[Shad_]

Looking over my summary and thinking BFG reaches her town read of Thane in a really weird way:

 

all on p19

 

"Hi :) still a good entrance if I point out I posted Friday, and that Laine was the one asking about Pral/Verb at that point?"

~~In response to Thane confusing BFG with Laine

 

"Interesting observation about Thane, Tbh at the moment all I can remember is being asked for opinions and liking Zander, he's posted more in the last few pages though :)"

~~In response to me, her top scum read, making a post which she interprets as a town read of Thane.

 

"I want to say I like AJ and Thane for town, Zanders recent posts have reads thoughts beyond non game stuff so probably him. Dice's assertiveness is probably a good look, but I want to wait here."

~~Town reads Thane.

 

 

It's like she's null at best on Thane and then when her scum read gives a town argument for him she suddenly has him at the top of her town list?

 

I remember when Darthe was sussing Laine D1 in SW he called her a chameleon, said she was just copying other people's most recent reads.  Does BFG tend to do this?

 

I have finally found an appropriate use for