[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[Thane Vakarian]

ok... people appearantly said that Heart is town when Leelou flips wolf... still the case?

[Zander?]

@ AJ great summary thus far!!

 

and GREAT catch on Talya imo.  knew i wasnt gonna get any traction on her and Leelou was the better case atp.

[Zander?]

ok... people appearantly said that Heart is town when Leelou flips wolf... still the case?

 

i woudnt say lock clears her but it does bode well for AH,  some of posts last night kinda pinged me.  pretty sure i commented on them.

[Thane Vakarian]

still need to re/re-read those i think. Been madness reading through all that. But thanks for answering

[Eldrick4221]

So I decided to go see when exactly day ended, to measure how much of the day I still had left to read. And cuz I was there, i read a little of the night phase stuff afterwards.

 

Well Dice we are 1/3 of the way to your requirements.

 

Good job Darthe. I laugh everytime I hear that ASSUMING CONTROL line. 

 

I will need to go back over all the stuffs that happened there at EoD. probably not tonight tho.

 

This made me laugh. Yes. Now all we gotta do is have the cop view Durin, and then have said cop die. Then you can drop your tunneling?

 

FYI, if you continue pushing them for the sole reason of Turin's OP, it will read as you wanting the cop to die. We get you think Durin is scum. Find someone else you also have problems with.

[Zander?]

 

Seph(1): NotBob

Durin(2): Dice, Csarmi

Leelou(7): Aiel Heart, Zander, Laine, Durin, Shad, Seph, Wombat

Aiel Heart(1): Eldrick

Sooh(1): Talya

Laine(3): Clovdyx, Leelou, Sili

 

Not Voting: Thaneballs32, Yates, Sooh

 

Uh, I wouldn't be surprised if wolves are within Yates, Wombat, Verbal, Clov, Talya, Sooh, and Zander. I mean Shad and Seph and Durin and Laine and Heart... those people I can't see being evil anymore. Of the people off wagon, notbob sounds more wholesome than last game plus i think his eod is kind of pure, dice and salami are somewhat one way players, Eldrick is villagery, so...

 

 

In Bold: come on silli seriously??

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. Bad addiction. Go away. I need sleep too.

 

I'm leaving now before I convince myself to read a little more.

[Zander?]

Ok. Bad addiction. Go away. I need sleep too.

 

I'm leaving now before I convince myself to read a little more.

 

Keep reading you know you want to!!!!

[Thane Vakarian]

yeah, i'll reread EOD from roughly page 100. My head hurts. Leaving soon again for a viking event, so night will probably be over when i get home.

 

May the force be with you

[Zander?]

yeah, i'll reread EOD from roughly page 100. My head hurts. Leaving soon again for a viking event, so night will probably be over when i get home.

 

May the force be with you

 

have fun brother and same to you!!!

[Darthe]

Well ya'll I have a lot to say about this, not in the least relegated to pointing out that I just went full harbinger on leelou and am the clearest living player by a landslide, but I'll suffice for this

 

GET REKT SALAMI AND DICE I OWN YOU! W00T! **** YEAH

[Darthe]

Well ya'll I have a lot to say about this, not in the least relegated to pointing out that I just went full harbinger on leelou and am the clearest living player by a landslide, but I'll suffice for this

 

GET REKT SALAMI AND DICE I OWN YOU! W00T! **** YEAH

[Zander?]

Well ya'll I have a lot to say about this, not in the least relegated to pointing out that I just went full harbinger on leelou and am the clearest living player by a landslide, but I'll suffice for this

 

GET REKT SALAMI AND DICE I OWN YOU! W00T! **** YEAH

 

 

lol well id say i was there early and started to build the case.

[Zander?]

@ Darthe you all caught up?

[Zander?]

Well ya'll I have a lot to say about this, not in the least relegated to pointing out that I just went full harbinger on leelou and am the clearest living player by a landslide, but I'll suffice for this

 

GET REKT SALAMI AND DICE I OWN YOU! W00T! **** YEAH

 

im assuming your Dice/Csarmi comment is you gloating about something and not alignment related. 

[Darthe]

Stopping after pg 48. Will power through the rest tomorrow but thus far I am pretty happy with my progress. Something of note that I didn't quote because I knew I would run out of space was that I really disliked Tayla's handling of Zander. I think he responded well to it though, so more villagery vibes for him. I also liked Verb's way of pointing out the inconsistency he spotted with Sili - Sili explained himself decently but I still think the disconnect was pretty bad looking on his part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

鲍勃不是我的名字 9 Sooh 7 Aiel Heart 6 Talya 5 Mawthtex 4

 

Need more from these people...there's almost certainly a wolf in here according to The Cory Curren School of Hunting Wolves!!!

Good scum chaser here.

 

 

THane, what do you think about Verbal?

Fluff

Good input from several players...have a project to work today...doubt I can post again till tonight...with that...my best read:

 

Vote Seph

 

That nonchalant vote mainly.

Gonna have to defer to the Wombo side of this combo because I have no idea what these sort of posts mean for NotBob alignment wise. Wombat has more experience with him so is probably the better judge. I'll go out on a limb and say if Seph proves to be a villager later that this vote doesn't look very good.

Dice is so obviously town it hurts. Gut read says Durin is as well, but I'm not going to ignore that Salami made a good point about them.

Could be v/v. I agree that Csarmi made a decent point though - and reading through I've noticed that most of Turin's posts are centralized around arguing with Dice/Yates about percentages or continuing to restate the false narrative that I voted Seph early for out-of-game reasons. Not much hunting from his part despite Darthe's overwhelming volume.

VOTE COUNT! VOTE COUNT!

Seph(3): WomboCombo, Zander, NotBob

Durin(3): Dice, Sili, Csarmi

Leelou(1): Aiel Heart

Aiel Heart(2): Durin, Leelou

Shad(1): Seph

Talya(1): Eldrick

Not Voting: Laine, Thaneballs32, Sooh, Talya, Yates, Mawthex, Shad

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, June 19th at 7:00pm PST - Countdown Timer

Figured I should quote these as I find them because I like to keep track of vote movements. This is pretty key to solving games imo. Most notable thing I see here is that I'm not sure I would buy into the theory that Durin/Leelou would both be on AH as wolves together, but meh.

This post is all you need to see from Dice to know he's a villager. Hell, his post could have contained only the words "I don't get bullied out of reads".

Pretty much have to agree with this and I stated as much in my last MQ. Sort of weird to mindmeld with someone after the fact, but there it is. Decent observation by Verb.

Verb and Dice are not w/w.

v/v tho?

 

You bypassed giving a percentage chance you believe I would make that claim as mafia. I will ask you for that now.

This is really really dumb. The fact he's voting you for it means it's 51% or better. What's the point in pushing Dice on quantifying something that is, by his own admission, based on speculation? The more you guys do this stuff the more I think he might be on to something.

The instant I find anything I realize I wouldn't say as a wolf I make a point of remembering to incorporate it within the next couple of times that I am a wolf.

I actually do consider activity to be one of my more prominent tells when I am focused on a single game...

 

-snip-

 

As of this point I could vote Durin or AH. I will pretty much never be voting Csarmi or Dice.

Kinda love this post by Yates. I snipped out the other quotes because I had too many but I'm not even gonna fault him for scum reading AH here - I know he likes to smoke out the non-active players.

@ Darthe - No I don't want "Lip Licking" over seph (sorry seph), I was explaining why I had the thought of wolf, but I had Seph more town than AJ in that convo between the two, the ony thing that made me think w/w was why would AJ go like that after someone, with nothing. One of the thoughts was if they were w/w. I still think the tunneling by AJ was forced, he looked like he was finding a reason to vote Seph from the start. Seph was like a little boy in the playground watching how the big boys playing mafia and wanting to emulate them. the only thing I had against Seph was the "Know you were town", but thinking about that it's more than likely to do with the seer cover he was doing.

 

I still don't get Dice's push on Durin over the N0 Peek (which was the second post of the game). Dice - What did you think of the AJ/Seph spat, what are your current reads on people? I get the same feeling over this as the AJ push on Seph. But I have seen the last couple of games start with this and the person who gets lynched is town and the person pushing is also town. So I want to step back and look at that better.

Still don't think you're making a ton of sense. I also think at this point it's pretty obvious what Dice's issue with Durin is... so how are you still confused by it? I don't know you well enough to say that I think you'd purposely play obtuse as a wolf - but you're sort of stretching my ability to believe that you don't understand the current thread events at this point of the game.

Dice

Eldrick

Salami

Yates

Sili

Leelou

 

Is my town group so far. Feel good about these players.

I agree with most of this list. Minus one GLARING mistake.

 

Wanna guess what it is, Verb?

 

Even so - I saw your posts earlier about Leelou and I think they're good enough at face value not to suspect you over them yet.

 

 

I have Eldrick as null actually. I haven't seen him be uber villagery yet.

The reason I'm putting him as a villager is that he's providing thoughts on several players, which shows he's paying attention and not going through the motions. Scum!Eldrick comes out of the woodwork with random posts that scream wolf, but Town!Eldrick does what he's doing here (imo) - show follow up with multiple players and progress based on feedback from other sources.

 

If he's not screaming wolf, it means he's probably not one.

Gonna agree with this as well. The one time I played vs Eldrick as a wolf he was caught out pretty hard on D1 and I like the way he's navigating through this game from what I've seen so far. Solid explanation - I have Verb trending towards villagery for his posts around this part of the game.

 

 

Darthe - starting to trend #weirder

Dice - how's the tunnel?

Eldrick - #trendingtownie

Heart - I see she never showed up 18 hours later like she said she was going to.

Sooh - I'd like to see her actively interact with people. Lists are good, interaction is better.

Zander - hi!

 

[v]Heart[/v]

 

Side note: I won't really be that active today. I'm going to be away from my desk most of the day and there will be 2 meetings will champagne.

I'm generally bothered that Leelou is focused on AH's activity. In the game Leelou just moderated, AH got mislynched and her inactivity D1 was a large factor in why she was unable to clear herself late in the game. AH is well aware that her particularly detached silence makes her a huge target--more than other silent players. This makes me think that her absence is probably a genuine lack of time that persists through both her wolf and her town games. AH knows it's not a viable wolf strat for her game; it's not really indicative of anything at this point. I feel like players who just watched her get mislynched four days ago should be on a similar page as me with this.

 

The fact that she said she'd come back in 18 hours and didn't makes her really easy meat for wolves, like maybe [v]Leelou[/v].

 

Also, AH saying she'd share thoughts when she got back home from work and then saying she hoped she'd have thoughts to share when she got back home from work is a really petty "inconsistency" to focus on.

 

I'm struggling to keep Sili in my null pile and his posts about AH are one part of that. I was really hoping AH would show up and I could see how Sili and Leelou handled her, but she hasn't yet and I wanted to get my thoughts out there. I'm a little annoyed at AH for all this, but I'll base my opinion on what she actually says when she gets here. Last game, when AH finally showed up she showed up in force.

Extremely keen observation by Shad, this is the post I was referring to earlier when I said he was clear. He has zero need to vote his partner in Leelou in this situation so this post locks him as a villager imo.

Dice fooled me pretty bad in Mass Effect, so what I thought I knew about him and his way of playing is out the window for me. Him tunneling like this is his town game?

I'd like for you to expound on this a bit, if you would. I don't doubt my read on Dice - but I also haven't seen him wolf in a very long time and I didn't follow the ME game at all.

had a quick look on Dice in the last couple of games I was in and it seems to me Dice as wolf, comments more about people rather than to them, and doesn't say so much when he posts, and more fluff posts. So this would make me lean town on his posts here.

Worth noting, I guess. Not really going to give brownie points for it though.

Scum if I had a gun I would shootShad,thane,maw and sooh or leelou

Probably important for later.

Why introduce the wifom?

 

Do you always vote players who vote your peek? Defending their actions as town is one thing but voting a player with a different opinion is another. So the only reason you voted Dice was because he voted your peek?

Decent post from NB. I agree with what he's saying regarding the peek thing fwiw

aj shouldn't have brought it up. That was my problem.

This point isn't relevant and was never stated as my reason for pushing Seph. You need to drop it

I think Sephs play is legitimately wolfy. I think AJ DOES have a grudge but that that Sephs play is something AJ would jump on. Thing is he would jump on it as either alignment i just dont think he'd be quite so full on about it as a mafia. He doesn't seem worried that it could go all wrong and seph turns out to be the cop or something, making AJ look bad.

 

Reads

 

Town

 

Csarmi

Zander

Shad

 

leaning town

 

Yates like his tone. Would like to see him really dig in.

AJ this is light lean . see what i posted above but i think he's more likely to go seph that way as town

Notbob this one surprises me. he hasnt said much but i like what he has said.

 

havent formed an opinion on yet

 

anyone not named.

 

mafia leans/uncertain of

 

Leelou. she seems very concerned that im tunneling. she has commented on it a couple of times. Not sure what to make of her. She would be at the bottom of null i guess

 

mafia

 

darthe

seph

Gonna save this one for post game in case Dice is 3/3 here in his scum reads so that I can lol about it afterwards.

But really we are lynching AH today... right?

 

Like, do I need quotes to back up how amazing an idea it is to lynch heart?

 

I'm voting her over Seph who put himself in his own wolf pile. It's that bad.

Wolfy :)

 

 

 

 

I realize that my town group is pretty big right now, which is concerning because I am more than likely misclearing a few players, but there are several that I will likely not be voting ever in this game. My reads will likely change after I finish reading tomorrow but as of pg 48 this is where I stand currently.

 

Shad

Dice

Zander

Laine

Csarmi

Sooh

 

Verb

Yates

Eldrick

AH*

 

Sili

NotBob

Durin

Seph

 

Tayla

 

Maw/Clov**

 

*AH is here based more so on how Leelou handled her than her actual play. Still, I don't think Leelou attacks her in the manner she did if they are w/w but I will be looking for her contributions tomorrow as I read through.

 

**Maw(now Clov) no real read on them yet. I haven't gotten to the point where Clov subbed in and I don't have much of an opinion on Maw from his few posts that I've seen thus far.

Are you also current on thread?

[Zander?]

come on people get caught up so we can discuss.

[Darthe]

I'm current. And awesome.

[Zander?]

I'm current. And awesome.

 

good stuff

 

Thoughts after the flip?

[Darthe]

Mostly that I'm awesome but also that analysis prob needs to happen. Haven't read back yet. That was probably the most important thing I'll do this game was that CFD. Off the top of my head is say that WomboCombo, Verb, Talya maybe sili look worse for the flip though I likely won't hold it against sili. I think anyone past the fifth vote was clearly unnecessary here so they don't really get town credit from me for voting Leelou here as she was definitely bussed by at least a wolf.

 

I'd like to say that this clears a number of people but my list from memory might not be as accurate as it will be after I review.

[Zander?]

yeah Sili is just all over the place and im not sure what to think.

 

Talya is not looking good atp imo.

 

liking aj's catching up analysis.

 

agree theres is prob a wolf on the leelou train.

 

i think it clears shad alanna and myself fwiw.

[Talya]

@ Darthe - no he isn't , I think he is about 30% through

 

What a night! I can't say I would have voted Leelou, I could believe the claim, a big part of the films being a cover. yuck! It was a good catch on Darthe, I didn't see it straight away, but Leelou voting what Darthe had said and him being one of her lower reads. I think I now see why Darthe jumps around on votes.

 

I don't think that Womby would start a train on someone new to pull away from Leelou, There were others there he could have jumped to change the votes more easily. He then did vote Leelou. Looks a more towny move to me. AJ seems to building a big case on me.

 

Alanna is even more town for me now, and so is Heart, I don't think she would leave a vote on her godfather if she was wolf. Sooh, I don't think is cleared so easily. I think Leelou wolf would be switched on and happy to go for one of her team, as much as putting them townie.

 

 

 

 

Seph(1): NotBob

Durin(2): Dice, Csarmi

Leelou(7): Aiel Heart, Zander, Laine, Durin, Shad, Seph, Wombat

Aiel Heart(1): Eldrick

Sooh(1): Talya

Laine(3): Clovdyx, Leelou, Sili

 

Not Voting: Thaneballs32, Yates, Sooh

 

Uh, I wouldn't be surprised if wolves are within Yates, Wombat, Verbal, Clov, Talya, Sooh, and Zander. I mean Shad and Seph and Durin and Laine and Heart... those people I can't see being evil anymore. Of the people off wagon, notbob sounds more wholesome than last game plus i think his eod is kind of pure, dice and salami are somewhat one way players, Eldrick is villagery, so...

 

 

In Bold: come on silli seriously??

 

 

Those not voting need spotlight on them. Also those on Laine's train. I need to go back and see who was also on the Heart train.

 

@ Sili - I do know Dice, I have known him for years. I'm probably intuitive, but would rather be analytical.

[Talya]

: Zander - didn't think I would look good, I never seem to. I ask people why they thought Leelou, but no one came back to me.

[Zander?]

yeah Sili is just all over the place and im not sure what to think.

 

Talya is not looking good atp imo.

 

liking aj's catching up analysis.

 

agree theres is prob a wolf on the leelou train.

 

i think it clears shad alanna and myself fwiw.

 

oh yeah and quite possible Durin

[Darthe]

It likely does. That whole CFD was amazing and I still think WomboCombo is town I just don't think their late vote had any purpose other than so that they could say they were on it later.