[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[Eldrick4221]

Some people have their PoE between me and Talya. I know it's not me. That helps with my thinking it's Talya.

[Eldrick4221]

Notbob is also clear for not being mafia, unless mafia had 2 kills N1.

[Eldrick4221]

Anyway, i'm going to bed myself.

[Yates]

just found the problem with yates idea  if NB shoots one of them mafia may shoot the other one

Yeah but that would mean that the mafia would have to know which of us NB is going to shoot - which is why I'm not directing him on which of us to shoot. Last scum is never going to take that chance and pretty much has to shoot you or Seph.

 

It actually doesn't matter anyway. If they don't shoot you or Seph? There are still you, Seph, Sili, and now NB alive tomorrow in this scenario. So you STILL have 4 proven not scum.

[Yates]

One problem with Yates plan... Maybe they have a bus driver role and can move the kill by NB.

Alright. I hadn't considered that. Let's think this through...

 

If NB is not mafia, and there is no SK, then that means the scum had a scum vig. That's the only plausible explanation for N2 double kill if NB isn't lying. And since there has only been one one kill per night since, that means the scum vig was probably 1X. I see no reason for a multi shot vig not to shoot more than once.

 

And, ftr, if the last scum is a bus driver/redirector - why wouldn't I keep Zander alive to redirect his result and kill one of Dice or Seph? I'd be cop confirmed Town right now with a dead GF. I win this game every time.

 

Plus, no matter how you slice it, if the last scum was a scum vig or redirector or some kind of JOAT? That's the scum power to cancel the Town power. Thus there are only 4 scum in this game. Thus there is only 1 scum left. Thus masons can't be fake claiming with three dead scum. So you are making my argument for me...

[Yates]

The thing that makes me curious is yates says to lynch him over sili.

*sigh* I somehow knew I was going to have this conversation...

 

Yes. I said that. Because I'm being a hero. And if you are going to lynch one of us it should be me because Sili has worked harder than me and has more time and has read more of the game. Just compare our post counts...

 

Even if you think there are two scum left? And even if you think I wan't to be lynched before Sili because of scum shens? There are no unlynchable scum roles that I know of. So there's no profit in scum Yates saving scum Sili for a day. I'm merely planning for the eventuality that when I flip mason, having mod confirmed Sili in the game will probably be more valuable to the remaining Town than a mod confirmed Yates.

 

What do you think of my plan to let NB shoot one of us to leave us with 4 confirmed clears tomorrow? I don't even care which of us, for the sake of ending the scum shens discussion and to allow for a better chance of cross kill.

[Yates]

Yates. You should vote Sili too :D

LOL - I always play to my wincon. And I still think Sili will be more valuable than me tomorrow.

[Eldrick4221]

I was obviously joking :P

 

And while I agree with your reasoning in regards to which of you is more valuable, I don't think you guys are scum, and therefore don't want to lose either of you.

 

Town:

Seph

Dice

Sili

Yates

Salami

 

Not scum:

Notbob

 

PoE:

Wombo

Talya

[csarmi]

I've mentioned before that I don't know how to read Talya. I haven't seen her do anything scummy, but that can be said for everyone alive right now.

 

There have been things over the game that have been weird, and I mentioned them when they caught my eye, but I no longer have any scum reads. I have to look at it by who doesn't fit.

There have been 6800 posts and you haven't seen Talya (or in fact anyone alive according to you) do anything scummy? Seriously?

[csarmi]

I feel as i dropped the ball here. Should have fought the AH lynch harder. Meh. Still don't understand how this could happen... Practically the only way to make this locked game uncertain.

[csarmi]

Btw it is still not acceptable to hammer ever in a hybrid game. Kine of wanna lynch Talya just for that anti town move.

[Hallia]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Talya(2): WomboCombo, Eldrick

WomboCombo(2): NotBob, Csarmi

Eldrick(1): Dice

 

Not Voting: Sili, Talya, Yates, Seph

 

It is Day 5.  With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.  A deadline is set for Wednesday, July 1st at 7pm PST.

[WWWwombat]

Heart ate that lynch like the last wolf on a rekt scum team would.

 

Vizzini wifom pics, Qui-Gon quotes. The "I played bad" whymefryme defense. Come on, man. Seriously.

 

Yep.  And don't forget the "popcorn in eternity" line.  That was top tier lolcatting.

[WWWwombat]

Also i have realized Zander was right. Should have lynched a mason. Just figured out that lynching a mason then viewing someone else is the same effect aw lynching someone else then view a mason.

 

Sorry man, brain fog.

 

What?

[WWWwombat]

Just a note: 3 town and 2 mafia with me alive is no an automatic loss, it's just whoever (town or mafia) votes faster wins...

 

which is loltastic but whatevs

 

It's all but automatic.  Mafia know who the townies are.  Townies don't.

[WWWwombat]

Wombat, aren't you usually scum when you scumread me?

 

No, I scumread you when I'm town too.  Our styles are kind of oil and water imo and sometimes that biases my reads.

[WWWwombat]

I'd rather be shot than lynched.

 

Why?

[WWWwombat]

 

Sili. I don't care how it looks to you guys for me to do it. I know that the other people voting you don't have alterior motives. It's the smart move IMO

sheeping the cleareds just because they're clear is really really bad.

 

 

There are a lot worse things you can do.

[WWWwombat]

 

Feel free to lynch me. I'm not sure how much more I can figure out in this game. It feels like shooting in the dark.

Eldrick if you are town re read that post please.

If you are town that is not a post to help us win.

 

If we ml you we lose. I want you to show me your townyness

 

 

Yep.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

What?

You realize she is still gone..she can't vote as a stump..

IT'S A HUGE LOSS if she is town. There is 357 pages.. you don't have any reason besides it just doesn't fit?

That would be the same for any townie. At least a stump still gets to contribute. so it's not AS BAD.

 

Nonsense. At this position the stump is worthless. It's a good role when you don't have other confirmed players because they can lead town but it's not the case there. We have Seph and Dice as lock clear. Having a confirmed townie speaking from the grave doesn't help any.

 

 

I think you're underrating Talya's skills.  That being said, the smaller number of players and the presence of clears does reduce the utility of a stump lynch.  If we lynch Talya, it should be because we think she's scum.  I'm currently not convinced of that.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

What?

You realize she is still gone..she can't vote as a stump..

IT'S A HUGE LOSS if she is town. There is 357 pages.. you don't have any reason besides it just doesn't fit?

That would be the same for any townie. At least a stump still gets to contribute. so it's not AS BAD.

 

Nonsense. At this position the stump is worthless. It's a good role when you don't have other confirmed players because they can lead town but it's not the case there. We have Seph and Dice as lock clear. Having a confirmed townie speaking from the grave doesn't help any.

 

 

I think you're underrating Talya's skills.  That being said, the smaller number of players and the presence of clears does reduce the utility of a stump lynch.  If we lynch Talya, it should be because we think she's scum.  I'm currently not convinced of that.

 

 

But AJ apparently is.

[WWWwombat]

@Eldrick - It's still an invalid reasoning. Talya remaining as a stump doesn't help and arguing like "if we are wrong it's still not so bad" is usually the road to disaster.

 

Except when it's an argument for not lynching the doc >.<

[WWWwombat]

 

Eldrick, your role is

 

1) don't get mislynched

2) find other townies

 

With 9 players alive, we need 5 clear players to win.

 

We got Dice, Seph. I would say I'm as good as cleared, but no mechanical reason there. Yates/Sili are either two clears or two mafia. We are very close to have this locked still.

 

No. Yates and Sili are either 2 mafia or 1 clear by the other dying. They aren't two clears.

 

 

I agree with this.

[WWWwombat]

Btw it is still not acceptable to hammer ever in a hybrid game. Kine of wanna lynch Talya just for that anti town move.

 

This philosophy is why I might stop playing hybrid games.  What's the point of hybrid hammer if no one does anything until deadline?

[Andrej]

It's between Eldrick and Talya imo. The last wolf is almost certainly on that wagon and I kinda hate the "I'll just sheep you guys" line too. Way too easy of a stance to be taking here to ditch responsibility for their vote