[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 28, 2015

Eldrick im chewbacca

i killed no one eldrick

Sili who do you think?

Who do I WTL, or what do I think?

i was after both.

Saw your answer talya claimed Treestump if that is what you were thinking of.

so sili you would not vote no lynch?

Would it make sense for Chewy and Hans to both be VT with Leia and Luke?

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 28, 2015

uggh!!!! Please stick to my game plan!!! please trust me.

Unless you have a view in the pocket I trust but verify everything at this point.

Blind faith in our leaders and all that from the Boss.

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 28, 2015

I'm starting to tinfoil on Zander but I'm probably just being silly. Continue on.

I think he makes everyone do that, I have had to stop myself...I believe him, no one else has claimed that cop role.

I'm about to go to bed, so I'm going to [v]Wombo[/v] because the way that they're going at me and the progression that took feels off (not to mention they're stubbornly leading the town towards a mislynch and won't even consider that they're wrong, which doesn't feel particularly townie at the moment.)

If lynching me or one of the masons is all that will be settled for today, then I'd rather Yates than Sili for the reasons stated before.

Goodnight guys

I quoted this post and I can't remember why, it may come back later, so leaving it here... :/

Leelous reads are basically my reads yates and verbal and sooh excepted. Kind of eerie consoderong our respectove characters. Poetic actually.

ITT Sili soft claims Vader.

There it is. I knew i wasn't imagining things. Someone mentioned it.

Looking at this...if Leelou had claimed Padma, I could see where you get the Anakin/Darthe, however she claimed Leia, who used R2D2 with important information on the death star. If he had said Ironic, then I could see it being Darthe/Anakin

on a side note...would anyone laugh if Darthe had been given Anankin and it was a symp role and they killed their symp...LMAO

But where would we get a backup cop from...really my only concern with Zander...

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 28, 2015

Okay. As far as Heart being doc? You all realize we already have a proven phoenix, right? And now we have claims of tree stump and commuter? Even removing our mason roles for a minute, there's zero chance we have a doc + tree stump + commuter + phoenix. Those are all essentially unkillable roles.

AND - the problem with the plan to kill a mason to prove the other is:

1. It's not scum hunting. It's information hunting.

2. The last scum is almost certainly Vader. And Vader isn't going to be a goon.

One other thing I wanted to address; claims are claims. Whatever. I agree that you should lynch based on play. Sili wasn't in the poe until he took one for the team to help me out. I think he's pretty obv Town. He DROVE the lynches on Verb and Sooh. He wasn't just sheeping. He's been game solving. AND - for those of you who know Sili meta - volume *is* a Town tell for Sili. Sili scum doesn't know how to post his thoughts without neutering himself. Conversely, I feel like Heart is getting by on her CLAIM not her play. Doc is about as obvious a fake claim as cop for scum about to be crushed. You saw this with Verb. See it now.

[v]Heart[/v]

And if Wombo is commuter, he's Zander's protection. Duh.

I don't read that they can to that to someone else and second it say can't be everynight...so no thats not correct.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commuter

This why we need to lynch WomboCombo: BTW...have we had any blocked actions?

Commuter is not an implausible scum fakeclaim, as it explains immunity to kills and (occasionally) blocked actions.

Yates · June 28, 2015

Home early due to rain out. I have baby's nap time to get caught up.

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 28, 2015

OK. I'm out. With the current evidence available I will not vote Heart.

WTL:

Sili

Eldrick

WomboCombo

In no particular order.

Yates · June 28, 2015

Okay. As far as Heart being doc? You all realize we already have a proven phoenix, right? And now we have claims of tree stump and commuter? Even removing our mason roles for a minute, there's zero chance we have a doc + tree stump + commuter + phoenix. Those are all essentially unkillable roles.

AND - the problem with the plan to kill a mason to prove the other is:

1. It's not scum hunting. It's information hunting.

2. The last scum is almost certainly Vader. And Vader isn't going to be a goon.

One other thing I wanted to address; claims are claims. Whatever. I agree that you should lynch based on play. Sili wasn't in the poe until he took one for the team to help me out. I think he's pretty obv Town. He DROVE the lynches on Verb and Sooh. He wasn't just sheeping. He's been game solving. AND - for those of you who know Sili meta - volume *is* a Town tell for Sili. Sili scum doesn't know how to post his thoughts without neutering himself. Conversely, I feel like Heart is getting by on her CLAIM not her play. Doc is about as obvious a fake claim as cop for scum about to be crushed. You saw this with Verb. See it now.

[v]Heart[/v]

And if Wombo is commuter, he's Zander's protection. Duh.

I don't read that they can to that to someone else and second it say can't be everynight...so no thats not correct.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commuter

This why we need to lynch WomboCombo: BTW...have we had any blocked actions?

Commuter is not an implausible scum fakeclaim, as it explains immunity to kills and (occasionally) blocked actions.[/size]

No one has claimed a block. And the mafia RB is dead. Plus, I don't see Wombo as a NA target at any point in the game - at least not for scum. It's actually possible they were targeted last night and that's why there was only one kill.

@Zander: that's not how they use Commuter on this site. On this site a Commuter leaves the Town WITH ANOTHER PERSON each night. I fake claimed Commuter as a jailkeeper in a recent game. Commuter is a protection role here.

Yates · June 28, 2015

Eldrick im chewbacca

i killed no one eldrick

Sili who do you think?

Who do I WTL, or what do I think?

i was after both.

Saw your answer talya claimed Treestump if that is what you were thinking of.

so sili you would not vote no lynch?

Would it make sense for Chewy and Hans to both be VT with Leia and Luke?

Leia was a fake claim. So no.

Yates · June 28, 2015

Could Darthe have been Hans?

Well, yeah but does it matter? We know scum were provided fake claims from the start - like Leia and Bael Organna. So I don't think scum would even need to use Durin's role unless Durin was a Town PR.

Hallia · June 28, 2015

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Sili(1): Zander

Heart(3): Sili, WomboCombo, Yates

WomboCombo(1): AielHeart

No Lynch(1): Dice

Talya(1): Eldrick

Not Voting: Talya, Csarmi, NotBob, Seph

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. A deadline has been set for Monday, June 29th at 7pm PST.

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 28, 2015

Okay. As far as Heart being doc? You all realize we already have a proven phoenix, right? And now we have claims of tree stump and commuter? Even removing our mason roles for a minute, there's zero chance we have a doc + tree stump + commuter + phoenix. Those are all essentially unkillable roles.

AND - the problem with the plan to kill a mason to prove the other is:

1. It's not scum hunting. It's information hunting.

2. The last scum is almost certainly Vader. And Vader isn't going to be a goon.

One other thing I wanted to address; claims are claims. Whatever. I agree that you should lynch based on play. Sili wasn't in the poe until he took one for the team to help me out. I think he's pretty obv Town. He DROVE the lynches on Verb and Sooh. He wasn't just sheeping. He's been game solving. AND - for those of you who know Sili meta - volume *is* a Town tell for Sili. Sili scum doesn't know how to post his thoughts without neutering himself. Conversely, I feel like Heart is getting by on her CLAIM not her play. Doc is about as obvious a fake claim as cop for scum about to be crushed. You saw this with Verb. See it now.

[v]Heart[/v]

And if Wombo is commuter, he's Zander's protection. Duh.

I don't read that they can to that to someone else and second it say can't be everynight...so no thats not correct.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commuter

This why we need to lynch WomboCombo: BTW...have we had any blocked actions?

Commuter is not an implausible scum fakeclaim, as it explains immunity to kills and (occasionally) blocked actions.[/size]

No one has claimed a block. And the mafia RB is dead. Plus, I don't see Wombo as a NA target at any point in the game - at least not for scum. It's actually possible they were targeted last night and that's why there was only one kill.

@Zander: that's not how they use Commuter on this site. On this site a Commuter leaves the Town WITH ANOTHER PERSON each night. I fake claimed Commuter as a jailkeeper in a recent game. Commuter is a protection role here.

This what I thought as well...which begs the question...since some of the evidence against Heart was : she didn't protect Darthe (or Laine for that matter)...the same questions deserves to be answered by the commuter?

@WomboCombo, why didn't you commute Laine or Darthe?

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 28, 2015

Could Darthe have been Hans?
Well, yeah but does it matter? We know scum were provided fake claims from the start - like Leia and Bael Organna. So I don't think scum would even need to use Durin's role unless Durin was a Town PR.

My point is Leia was a fake claim, Luke and Chewy are both VT and yet Hans has a PR (if we believe WomboCombo)...I don't know the new source material...just curious if this was plausible?

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 28, 2015

^^^^

I'm not the expert on the series...but thought the new series is before Luke/Leia/Obi even meet Hans? Would he really have a PR when the others do not?

WWWwombat · June 28, 2015

I would like to make it clear that AJ and I cannot protect anyone but ourselves. That being said, Heart is still not a doctor. Thank you.

WWWwombat · June 28, 2015

I'm posting from my brother's computer and have like 10 minutes before breakfast...

I haven't read anything from my last post other than our QT but I want to address a couple of things Sili mentioned in there.

1. I never told Sili how I found him.

He made a post on Day 1 saying "I'm related to Luke so I even chuckled." And I'm thinking; "Did he just claim Leia? Possibly Owen/Beru? I don't know that Hally includes either of them... And there's NO WAY he's claiming Vader in thread, right?" Then Leelou flips scum and Sili makes that post about her flip being poetic and I was like - "Dude! Did I just find R2?!"

It's really that simple.

2. I told Sili not to leave crumbs. I figured our claims were strong enough that if one of us died the other could just character claim. 3PO and R2? LDO. But he was concerned about the fact he had put me in his POE and thought if he flipped on me for no reason it would look too obvious. My "crumb" is really that I mostly ignore Sili because I don't need to figure him out.

3. The NSFW section of our QT. I agree that Sili oversold the distancing a bit but whatever. My philosophy on Masons is the same as on hydras - just post what you think will be best and look most natural for you. I'm not going to filter his content. Aint nobody got time for that.

4. While I don't crumb the masonary, I did look for an opportunity to crumb my role at least.

You know. Robot.

5. Speaking of crumbs; the reason I was "being weird" with Seph is because he would have been the only other person who should have known I was going to claim mason. I told him to go look at a specific quote from our old mentor chat. That post was asking him who NB's mason partner was in American Gods. That was about as unsubtle as I could be.

Okay. That's about as much as I'm going to talk about our claim.

I don't understand how R2 is poetic unless he meant Leelou's claimed character rather than her actual one. I figured Sili was just being weird at the time.

WWWwombat · June 28, 2015

You are still nonsensically attributing a Leelou post to us.

As I said before, I type numbers wrong sometimes. I usually check them before I post them on thread but by the time I got to you guys I was getting brain fried

That excuse makes no sense. The number refers to a post that makes sense given your comment on it, but is authored by Leelou.

WWWwombat · June 28, 2015

BTW. your scum this game. you know it and now i know it.

We'll talk after this game...but from as the guy who laid out the plan to victory...you disappoint...guess i need to lower my expectations from you.

Nope.

WWWwombat · June 28, 2015

Okay. As far as Heart being doc? You all realize we already have a proven phoenix, right? And now we have claims of tree stump and commuter? Even removing our mason roles for a minute, there's zero chance we have a doc + tree stump + commuter + phoenix. Those are all essentially unkillable roles.

AND - the problem with the plan to kill a mason to prove the other is:

1. It's not scum hunting. It's information hunting.

2. The last scum is almost certainly Vader. And Vader isn't going to be a goon.

One other thing I wanted to address; claims are claims. Whatever. I agree that you should lynch based on play. Sili wasn't in the poe until he took one for the team to help me out. I think he's pretty obv Town. He DROVE the lynches on Verb and Sooh. He wasn't just sheeping. He's been game solving. AND - for those of you who know Sili meta - volume *is* a Town tell for Sili. Sili scum doesn't know how to post his thoughts without neutering himself. Conversely, I feel like Heart is getting by on her CLAIM not her play. Doc is about as obvious a fake claim as cop for scum about to be crushed. You saw this with Verb. See it now.

[v]Heart[/v]

And if Wombo is commuter, he's Zander's protection. Duh.

I don't read that they can to that to someone else and second it say can't be everynight...so no thats not correct.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commuter

This why we need to lynch WomboCombo: BTW...have we had any blocked actions?

Commuter is not an implausible scum fakeclaim, as it explains immunity to kills and (occasionally) blocked actions.[/size]

No one has claimed a block. And the mafia RB is dead. Plus, I don't see Wombo as a NA target at any point in the game - at least not for scum. It's actually possible they were targeted last night and that's why there was only one kill.

@Zander: that's not how they use Commuter on this site. On this site a Commuter leaves the Town WITH ANOTHER PERSON each night. I fake claimed Commuter as a jailkeeper in a recent game. Commuter is a protection role here.

This what I thought as well...which begs the question...since some of the evidence against Heart was : she didn't protect Darthe (or Laine for that matter)...the same questions deserves to be answered by the commuter?

@WomboCombo, why didn't you commute Laine or Darthe?

I've seen the role used both ways on this site. In this particular game, we can't protect others.

WWWwombat · June 28, 2015

Also, anyone who thinks we are scum needs to reread D3 and then pull their heads out of their rears.

Andrej · June 28, 2015

seph · June 28, 2015

Morning. At least there is more discussion.

Also yates, I think my timestamps are different? Because there was no posts at the Time you posted, and I was confused....

Yates · June 28, 2015

Han is the Captain of the millennium Falcon.

Chewie is his copilot.

Of the two, I think Han would make more sense.

I hadn't thought about timeline. But Jabba only appears in the last episode and Sooh flipped Jabba. And Luke and Leia were only babies that were referenced in Episode III. Obviously, they are the main characters from Episode 4-6. Han Solo doesn't show up until episode 4. But Ewoks don't appear until Episode VI where they worship me as a Sun God - lol.

I don't know. I feel like we are going too far down the rabbit hole with this. It looks like Hally just picked her favorite characters and there's not much more to it than that. Then she matched them up with roles. However, this DOES make me feel better about the chances of Luke being VT if she is treating him like a baby.

Andrej · June 28, 2015

I would like to make it clear that AJ and I cannot protect anyone but ourselves. That being said, Heart is still not a doctor. Thank you.

This is what I was getting at earlier when I talked about scum not getting blocked with all the confirming roles. They need to be able to make their kills. We can't save anyone but ourselves.

WWWwombat · June 28, 2015

YOU MAKE VILLAGERS SICK! SHUT THIS BAR DOWN!

WWWwombat · June 28, 2015

Tinfoiling on WomboCombo no longer acceptable villager behavior.

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