[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

Zander? · June 22, 2015

I was all excited and now I've come down a bit, lol

me too....ive liked crashed hard.....lolol

Talya · June 22, 2015

I think it means we need a life, lol

Zander? · June 22, 2015

I think it means we need a life, lol

lolololol so true!!!!

Zander? · June 22, 2015

so who we lynching next??!!!!!!

Sili Quirrels · June 22, 2015

YA

2 down

3 to go.

WWWwombat · June 22, 2015

Catching up. Like that flip.

WWWwombat · June 22, 2015

Last game I remember playing in with Leelou as scum was Warehouse 13. But feel free to check ANY of her scum games...

This was her final reads list on Day 3:

So, my scum list looks something like this (scummiest on the top):

Wombat - more on his scum game than town game. Parked vote D1, snarky responses

Eldrick - wanted to lynch from claimed masons to prove them, sheeping, going with the flow and just the way he's phrased a lot of his posts.

Not Bob - mostly gut feelings and not really seeing what I'd expect out of him as town.

Dice - seems to be looking for easy targets, not really branching out or going after someone hard.

Sooh (mentored by Nyn) - not really doing a lot game wise.

The following are town reads, all by posts and how they are holding themselves in the game:

Verbal

Lily

Pral

Hally

Cass (mentored by Darthe)

I'm a bit torn between voting Wombat and Eldrick, I want to vote for both of them right now.

FTR - Cass had been "Town cleared" by a bunch of people, iirc.

These were her Day 1 reads, fwiw:

Order not indicative of townieness to scuminess (order of sign ups)

Alanna - Alanna is one I never want to clear too early. Her posts have seemed to have been made from a townie tone, but I really can't judge her for a day or two. Null with strong town leans.

Lily - I have a way of reading Lily's posts and knowing when they come from Town!Lily or Scum!Lily and her posts are coming from Town!Lily. Town

Dice - not hiding, so those are points in his townie pool. I don't really see where he is coming from re:Hallia.

Thane - Still waiting to see if my theory pans out after a phase or so. Holding in null.

Dawn ~~Mrs. Clov~~ - Earth to Dawn???

Eldrick - pushed distractions with talk of triggers and just a general meh feeling from the push on Yates/masons to be lynched. Scum lean

Pral - as of yet, has not denied being masons with Yates - town pile until proven otherwise

Sooh (mentored by Nyn) - no clue, never played with her before. Will take me some time or something big to jump out at me.

Hally - liking her tone, slight town lean

Cass (mentored by Darthe) - lots of question marks in her list. Slightly weary.

Sili - General town lean from posts, posting is fluid, in a weird Sili sorta way. I don't agree with your read on Eldrick though. That boy is giving me scum vibes.

Yates - claiming masons with Pral - town pile until proven otherwise

Not Bob - I might currently hate you because your name is a witch to ISO. Eh. No need to push on Dawn. Me thinks you are going down the rabbit hole after Sili. Could potentially be scum, but leaning null with scum undertones until I see more from you. What does your magic 8 ball say?

Verbal - After reading his posts, I really like them. He's coming off as involved and not being overly snarky. Town

Wombat - Kinda sketchy, but not enough to want to lynch yet. I'm watching you though.

If no lynch were to go through and this was as of right now:

Vig - Eldrick

Cop - Wombat

Doc - themselves, until a better target is made known

Team makeup kinda dictated some of those reads imo FWIW. I was GF and Eldrick practically claimed scum D1.

alannalynn · June 22, 2015

Heh

I was so right

Gonna die tonight anyways. Make sure to think about the next scums; take a second look at Yates. He wasn't a real target of mine, more of a "maybe"; I wanted to see where people landed today between him and verbane

WWWwombat · June 22, 2015

i kinda was hoping that Verbal would be in this weekend, but i was wrong.

I'll do what i can to catch up and pitch in *nods* I like to win as well, so we agree on that, Shad.

Now that you're here: who'd you go for, and who should i look at during my re-read (on page119 atm) ?

I'm not sure what you mean by "go for".

go for, as in: who's your top suspect at the moment

It was clearly a slip. Your mentality is to convince him to lynch someone not you. *nods*

Oh Sili, always the joker.

Only half a joke imo. Thane asking for suspects looks a lot like asking for lynchbait here imo.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

Heh

I was so right

Gonna die tonight anyways. Make sure to think about the next scums; take a second look at Yates. He wasn't a real target of mine, more of a "maybe"; I wanted to see where people landed today between him and verbane

WWWwombat · June 22, 2015

it clear now seph?

Also it means mafia now have a perfect fake claim at their disposal too

I don't like that you know how the role that cleaned Durin works. Feels like inside information, and looks really bad for you.

Its called experience Eldrick. Knowing roles and how they work are part of the game. I flubbed understanding the Hider role last game and lost because of it.

That is an acceptable reason, but I am still wary of it.

I'm going to tunnel the crap out of Yates and Verbane, y'all have no clue yet.

First rule of Lynch All Hydras is to lynch Thaneballs, second rule is to let WomboCombo live because by that point you've already hit scum

Why are you assuming they can't both be?

Ok. Now for some facts. Here is Leelou's latest reads list, matched up with Day 1's vote count.

Everyone that Leelou was scum-reading is voting her. There is scum in those 4.

How are you getting that? That reads list came about 12 hours before the final VC.

I matched her most current reads list with the VC. The reads list happened to be 12 hours before the VC. I haven't read those 12 hours yet (I'll be doing that next), and don't know how her reads changed in that time.

Just no.

I'm not going to trend you down just for the sake of making bad arguments, but the line you're taking here probably isn't going to find any scum so in the end you are just wasting time and making yourself look bad while doing it.

You are taking an arbitrary reason for why we are all scum (Leelou's placement of us in her reads list) and disregarding the actual game content and how she treated each individual slot while she was alive. In other words - it's crap.

I'm not worried about looking bad for doing this. It's something I was contemplating all through the night phase. And I believe it has a higher chance of finding scum than you apparently do, which is why I brought it up to begin with.

I would go for csarmi once we're done with verbane and Yates.. Again, it's not setting up lynches if they're obv scum lol

Why are you worried about looking like you're setting up lynches?

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Yates(2): Talya, WomboCombo

So... Once I'm caught up I'll decide which of you isn't seeing Day 3. I'll also be confirmed Town on Day 3. Did any of the three of you think I wouldn't get caught up after the weekend? This was a gross miscalculation.

You say this like you have direct control over who dies. How is supposed to look good?

Also what you say is true that you're outspoken as scum but all wolves have the tendency to hide at points in the game. You're not making the typical splash you do as a villager and I take issue with that. Your D1 looks bad and there are questionable interactions with you and known scum. I will literally go through every game I can recall where you were scum on this website to fact check this.

Trying to come in and immediately thunderdome me for having very real reasons to suspect you and deciding I'm scum off one post is seriously terrible, Yates. You might be able to convince some of these other players but you can basically consider yourself outted to me.

Also reads like a planned angle when combined with his earlier argument for super active wolves. Personally, I don't see Yates' activity as alignment indicative one way or the other. I'm not big on clearing people for WiM or condemning people for WiL. Yates is also skilled and self-aware enough to exploit his meta as either alignment, so I'm wary of meta arguments for or against him. I don't think Yates has done anything townish yet, and he's done a few things that I see as scummy. It's as simple as that.

I don't know these acronyms. I like to think I understand the paragraph as a whole without knowing them, but please clear this up for me.

Leelou puts her buddies in the nulls or bottom of her "Town lean" lists. Most importantly, though, her strong Town reads are almost ALWAYS Town. She's a buddier.

-snip-

Basically, anyone in dark green is spewed Town.

I'll look at her interactions during catch up to see which of her scum reads look fake and which look like mislynch attempts but at least one of the scum leans will be a buddy. Especially as a GF.

This information supports my idea to hunt this list. More convinced there's scum there somewhere.

Last game I remember playing in with Leelou as scum was Warehouse 13. But feel free to check ANY of her scum games...

This was her final reads list on Day 3:

So, my scum list looks something like this (scummiest on the top):

Wombat - more on his scum game than town game. Parked vote D1, snarky responses

Eldrick - wanted to lynch from claimed masons to prove them, sheeping, going with the flow and just the way he's phrased a lot of his posts.

Not Bob - mostly gut feelings and not really seeing what I'd expect out of him as town.

Dice - seems to be looking for easy targets, not really branching out or going after someone hard.

Sooh (mentored by Nyn) - not really doing a lot game wise.

The following are town reads, all by posts and how they are holding themselves in the game:

Verbal

Lily

Pral

Hally

Cass (mentored by Darthe)

I'm a bit torn between voting Wombat and Eldrick, I want to vote for both of them right now.

FTR - Cass had been "Town cleared" by a bunch of people, iirc.

These were her Day 1 reads, fwiw:

Order not indicative of townieness to scuminess (order of sign ups)

Alanna - Alanna is one I never want to clear too early. Her posts have seemed to have been made from a townie tone, but I really can't judge her for a day or two. Null with strong town leans.

Lily - I have a way of reading Lily's posts and knowing when they come from Town!Lily or Scum!Lily and her posts are coming from Town!Lily. Town

Dice - not hiding, so those are points in his townie pool. I don't really see where he is coming from re:Hallia.

Thane - Still waiting to see if my theory pans out after a phase or so. Holding in null.

Dawn ~~Mrs. Clov~~ - Earth to Dawn???

Eldrick - pushed distractions with talk of triggers and just a general meh feeling from the push on Yates/masons to be lynched. Scum lean

Pral - as of yet, has not denied being masons with Yates - town pile until proven otherwise

Sooh (mentored by Nyn) - no clue, never played with her before. Will take me some time or something big to jump out at me.

Hally - liking her tone, slight town lean

Cass (mentored by Darthe) - lots of question marks in her list. Slightly weary.

Sili - General town lean from posts, posting is fluid, in a weird Sili sorta way. I don't agree with your read on Eldrick though. That boy is giving me scum vibes.

Yates - claiming masons with Pral - town pile until proven otherwise

Not Bob - I might currently hate you because your name is a witch to ISO. Eh. No need to push on Dawn. Me thinks you are going down the rabbit hole after Sili. Could potentially be scum, but leaning null with scum undertones until I see more from you. What does your magic 8 ball say?

Verbal - After reading his posts, I really like them. He's coming off as involved and not being overly snarky. Town

Wombat - Kinda sketchy, but not enough to want to lynch yet. I'm watching you though.

If no lynch were to go through and this was as of right now:

Vig - Eldrick

Cop - Wombat

Doc - themselves, until a better target is made known

I actually hadn't noticed this about the W13 game. What I do remember about it, and have already mentioned, is that the pushed me hard this game. As her teammate. That's why AH isn't clear in my book.

I don't think how Leelou's reads changed in those 12 hours is as significant as all the things other people did during those 12 hours. Leelou lynch materialized very late.

WiM = Want it More, WiL = Want it Less; Basically, I don't like clearing or condemning people for effort because imo it has more to do with RL and personality than alignment.

csarmi · June 22, 2015

Heh

I was so right

Gonna die tonight anyways. Make sure to think about the next scums; take a second look at Yates. He wasn't a real target of mine, more of a "maybe"; I wanted to see where people landed today between him and verbane

Yates · June 22, 2015

Well. That escalated quickly.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

Heh

I was so right

Gonna die tonight anyways. Make sure to think about the next scums; take a second look at Yates. He wasn't a real target of mine, more of a "maybe"; I wanted to see where people landed today between him and verbane

this ones for you...lol

Zander? · June 22, 2015

Well. That escalated quickly.

yates tell me your thoughts in Csarmi.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

ebwop

on...lol

Yates · June 22, 2015

Well. That escalated quickly.

yates tell me your thoughts in Csarmi.

He's riding his claim but still probably Town. He's just... Csarmi... At worst he's 3rd Party.

Speaking of: I will be sad if that 2nd kill last night wasn't by Boba Fett.

alannalynn · June 22, 2015

Well. That escalated quickly.

A+ post Yates.

You're null for me right now, btw. I don't think we should lynch you. I would like good ideas for tomorrow though

alannalynn · June 22, 2015

I want a closer look at Dice and Sooh

Zander? · June 22, 2015

Well. That escalated quickly.

A+ post Yates.

You're null for me right now, btw. I don't think we should lynch you. I would like good ideas for tomorrow though

yes pretty sure we'll need to brainstorm!!!

WWWwombat · June 22, 2015

Ok. Other things bouncing around in my head.

I never said I believed Salami's claim. I don't, and realize now I should have probably said so earlier. I don't know why people are town-reading him. I haven't liked his game at all. He hasn't been wolfy, but is in no ways town in my book. He is very much still null and horribly -EV. Why are people town-reading him?

The conversation this day has mostly been about the Therbal and Yates lynches. The stuff said about Therbal resonates well with me, and I am happy with this lynch.

[v]Therbal[/v]

I can't for the life of me remember why Yates is an option. I don't remember anything he has done this game, except of course for the recent post I quoted. He is also still null for me.

I blame Darthe being loud :P I will be doing a full reread once I get the chance. I have a late shift Tuesday, and then Wednesday and Thursday off. I fully expect to be caught up and current come Friday.

I have Salami as derptown at this point.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

I want a closer look at Dice and Sooh

ive said this before every game sooh was town in she was scum read by almost everyone, this game she town read by most. need to be looked at further,

Yates · June 22, 2015

Is there any way I can draw the NK by vig or scum tonight?

I'm just not up for getting caught up... lol

WWWwombat · June 22, 2015

and i was feeling so good about you Eldrick... you're the only one more or less questioning to what nearly everybody decided on is the way to go, and then you still vote with the others.

I've tried to read everything up untill now, and i'm pretty sure i must have missed something on the way here.

Alanna has firmly taken control of town it seems, and players find it easy to follow her. To be honest, a bit too easy to my liking. It seems to me that nobody even considers the possibility of Verbal/me actually being town. When we flip town, what then?

Here's to hoping that Verb actually gets in before someone decides to hammer.

Weird post. Might spew Eldrick town.

Yates · June 22, 2015

I want a closer look at Dice and Sooh

ive said this before every game sooh was town in she was scum read by almost everyone, this game she town read by most. need to be looked at further,

Yeah. We had this conversation midway through Day 1. It was a revelation.

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