[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[Aiel Heart]

Yates, catch up and show me your normal townie self, and we'll talk. 

[Shad_]

 

Ok, here's my problem.

 

If Yates and Verbal land scum together, don't you think they would be super stoked about it?

 

I mean, two of the five best players in this game, right? Imagine the damage they could do.

 

So maybe they're both pressed for time and can't go all in on it. But do you really, honestly think that they would lurk their way through and let Leelou run the show?

Leelou wasn't really running anything ftr.

 

And yes, I do.

 

 

Leelou was certainly more outspoken.  But you do think Verbal and Yates are both probably scum?  Or just that it's a decent possibility?

[Yates]

That's probably the fakest bravado I've ever seen. Yates wants to act like he's getting run up unfairly when he isn't around. Please the dude has obvious wolf equity and him pretending to be a hard ass isn't gonna clear him.

 

Remember how he had Talya as a town read? Look at how he's reversing that and now suddenly one of myself and her must be scum.

 

GLGL

Well, running me up while I'm away is pretty much your only chance at mislynching me and you know it. Also, I don't recall having Talya as a strong Town read but even if I did? LOL Day 1 reads... It's not like nothing has happened since.

 

As for my "false bravado?" We'll see...

[Andrej]

 

Ok, here's my problem.

 

If Yates and Verbal land scum together, don't you think they would be super stoked about it?

 

I mean, two of the five best players in this game, right? Imagine the damage they could do.

 

So maybe they're both pressed for time and can't go all in on it. But do you really, honestly think that they would lurk their way through and let Leelou run the show?

Leelou wasn't really running anything ftr.

 

And yes, I do.

Let me expound. Wolves sort of notoriously have to play less because they aren't able to fake the same consistency or genuineness as their villager sides. Yates and Verb are both very capable players but like most they suffer from wolf syndrome. They are capable of making villager-like posts/analysis in short bursts but the overall lack of presence is the key in finding them.

 

This thread is villagery as hell. Don't get twisted up with this "they're too good to slank" theory.

[Andrej]

 

That's probably the fakest bravado I've ever seen. Yates wants to act like he's getting run up unfairly when he isn't around. Please the dude has obvious wolf equity and him pretending to be a hard ass isn't gonna clear him.

 

Remember how he had Talya as a town read? Look at how he's reversing that and now suddenly one of myself and her must be scum.

 

GLGL

Well, running me up while I'm away is pretty much your only chance at mislynching me and you know it. Also, I don't recall having Talya as a strong Town read but even if I did? LOL Day 1 reads... It's not like nothing has happened since.

 

As for my "false bravado?" We'll see...

Lol at least you're not gonna take the rope like a chump.

[Shad_]

That's probably the fakest bravado I've ever seen. Yates wants to act like he's getting run up unfairly when he isn't around. Please the dude has obvious wolf equity and him pretending to be a hard ass isn't gonna clear him.

 

Remember how he had Talya as a town read? Look at how he's reversing that and now suddenly one of myself and her must be scum.

 

GLGL

 

AJ.........

[Andrej]

Outspoken doesn't equal running the show, Shad.

 

I think the wolf team was frankly caught off guard by Leelou getting killed so her posts are extremely valuable. Take those and compare with how she handled players. Verb and Yates are easily wolves thru POE like 90% of the time. The evidence is ITT

[Shad_]

 

 

Ok, here's my problem.

 

If Yates and Verbal land scum together, don't you think they would be super stoked about it?

 

I mean, two of the five best players in this game, right? Imagine the damage they could do.

 

So maybe they're both pressed for time and can't go all in on it. But do you really, honestly think that they would lurk their way through and let Leelou run the show?

Leelou wasn't really running anything ftr.

 

And yes, I do.

Let me expound. Wolves sort of notoriously have to play less because they aren't able to fake the same consistency or genuineness as their villager sides. Yates and Verb are both very capable players but like most they suffer from wolf syndrome. They are capable of making villager-like posts/analysis in short bursts but the overall lack of presence is the key in finding them.

 

This thread is villagery as hell. Don't get twisted up with this "they're too good to slank" theory.

 

 

I don't plan to get caught up in anything, but I plan to hear them out.

[seph]

Seph, some of the things you've said are why I'm really lost on the Yates scum train tbh.

Can you show me what?

[Shad_]

 

Seph, some of the things you've said are why I'm really lost on the Yates scum train tbh.

Can you show me what?

 

 

Sure, might take a minute.

[Andrej]

The fact Yates is immediately deciding that those voting him are scum is telling.

 

He's establishing a scenario where it must be me/Talya or him without even being caught up.

 

It's wolfy AF, don't buy into the fake confidence. Yates is pretty much just outing himself ITT and Shad wants to clear him lol

[Shad_]

Actually, you know what, I'll bookmark the quotes and you can ask me later.  I'm not interested in building Yates' case on his behalf.

[seph]

What lol. Shad what lol.

 

You had a problem with something I said on yates. This has nothing with yates building a case on me.

 

What I take from this is you are assuming I am scum. And you expect yates to come at me and it seems rather fishy

[Yates]

First - I would like to point out that AJ and Dice are probably the two people that read me best.

 

It's important that you understand the above so you can see why THIS is basically a scum claim:

Let me expound. Wolves sort of notoriously have to play less because they aren't able to fake the same consistency or genuineness as their villager sides. Yates and Verb are both very capable players but like most they suffer from wolf syndrome. They are capable of making villager-like posts/analysis in short bursts but the overall lack of presence is the key in finding them.

NOPE.

 

I drive the bus as scum 9 times out of 10. He knows this.  The 10th time? It's because Cory is my scum bro and more prolific than me. Case in point; my last full scum game was 9-5 Mafia.

 

cory caboose 377

Darthe 273

manbat 201

Yates 163

seph 116

Sooh 115

Zander 113

Clovdyx 108

Turin Turambar 99

dicetosser1 70

Ithillian 58

TinaHel 57

ReleaseTheEvil 56

BFG 33

Leyrann 23

Shadar Alantin 9

Songstress 3

Mrs. Cindy Gill 2

Kaylee 1

csarmi 1

Andrej 1

 

Pretty much anyone else here who has ever seen me scum will back me up on this.

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

Without even reading the thread I can tell you my vote is unlikely to move unless Leelou somehow spewed this slot Town.

[Shad_]

Seph, o_O.  Some of your observations on Yates made me second guess his "obvious" scumminess.  None of it incriminates you.

 

But if I read something that makes me think "hmm, maybe Yates isn't so bad", it would be very counterproductive imo to tell Yates what those things are before he defends himself.

[seph]

I am asking you to show me plz.

I want to see the ones you are referring to

[Yates]

What I take from this is you are assuming I am scum. And you expect yates to come at me and it seems rather fishy

FTR - I highly doubt I'll be "coming at you." You and Csarmi were my blues from Day 1. You can be wrong and still Town. AJ is just lying in the thread.

[Yates]

I am asking you to show me plz.

I want to see the ones you are referring to

Wait. Did you build a case on me? Can you link to it since you are here so I can respond in real time? Otherwise I probably won't be caught up until way late tomorrow...

[seph]

Yates look at Shad's post. It looks like he is assuming I am mafia. And it really bothers me.

 

 

I am not building yates case on his behalf. I am not reading this any other way.

[Andrej]

Yates can basically drive himself to the hangman imo.

 

You're right - I DO read you well. I don't see you helping the village this game. Is it your schedule? Possibly. That's on you to fix though. I literally spent most of my weekend getting up to date in this game to have an impact.

 

Once again - you're deciding I am scum without even being current and THAT is a huge issue because villa!Yates knows the importance of informed decisions. The last time I saw you as scum in Darthe's SK game I caught you on this because you decided to vote me when you replaced in while also claiming not to be up to date.

 

Likewise when you say I read you well, you have stated to do the same with me. Deciding I'm a wolf before reading into my properly is a huge problem and one I doubt you make as a villager.

 

GL though. You should probably realize you don't have the credibility to come in and throw around these type of accusations but carry on regardless, fleabag.

[seph]

 

I am asking you to show me plz.I want to see the ones you are referring to

Wait. Did you build a case on me? Can you link to it since you are here so I can respond in real time? Otherwise I probably won't be caught up until way late tomorrow...

I am on my phone currently.

And I don't remember building a case. I remember agreeing on things I remember suspicious like you posts revolving leelou.

 

This is why I am asking shad to pull up what the heck he is talking about.

Your were you are through poe and your posts about Leelou.

I said I liked most of your early game, and could see a post you made as trying to pocket me. Aj said it wasn't a alignment indicator.

[Shad_]

Yates look at Shad's post. It looks like he is assuming I am mafia. And it really bothers me.

 

 

I am not building yates case on his behalf. I am not reading this any other way.

 

You're as dense as a rock when you get excited Seph.  Take a deep breath.  You are the most clear town in this game right now.  You know that I think this.  Clearly you do not understand what I was saying if you think I am calling you scum.

 

It goes like this: Many people think that Yates is scum.  Me, I think it's likely but I'm keeping my options open.  I am giving Yates the opportunity to defend himself.  If I state, before he defends himself, the reasons why I'm less convinced than many people that he is wolf, I am providing him with material to use in his defense.  I will state my thoughts on Yates after he has spoken.

[Andrej]

Also what you say is true that you're outspoken as scum but all wolves have the tendency to hide at points in the game. You're not making the typical splash you do as a villager and I take issue with that. Your D1 looks bad and there are questionable interactions with you and known scum. I will literally go through every game I can recall where you were scum on this website to fact check this.

 

Trying to come in and immediately thunderdome me for having very real reasons to suspect you and deciding I'm scum off one post is seriously terrible, Yates. You might be able to convince some of these other players but you can basically consider yourself outted to me.

[Shad_]

 

Yates look at Shad's post. It looks like he is assuming I am mafia. And it really bothers me.

 

 

I am not building yates case on his behalf. I am not reading this any other way.

 

You're as dense as a rock when you get excited Seph.  Take a deep breath.  You are the most clear town in this game right now.  You know that I think this.  Clearly you do not understand what I was saying if you think I am calling you scum.

 

It goes like this: Many people think that Yates is scum.  Me, I think it's likely but I'm keeping my options open.  I am giving Yates the opportunity to defend himself.  If I state, before he defends himself, the reasons why I'm less convinced than many people that he is wolf, I am providing him with material to use in his defense.  I will state my thoughts on Yates after he has spoken.

 

 

Holy crap I totally misread what I highlighted.  I'm so sorry Seph.  I thought you said "Yates look at Shad's post", not "Yates looks at Shad's post". Sorry for being mean.   

[Shad_]

 

 

Yates look at Shad's post. It looks like he is assuming I am mafia. And it really bothers me.

 

 

I am not building yates case on his behalf. I am not reading this any other way.

 

You're as dense as a rock when you get excited Seph.  Take a deep breath.  You are the most clear town in this game right now.  You know that I think this.  Clearly you do not understand what I was saying if you think I am calling you scum.

 

It goes like this: Many people think that Yates is scum.  Me, I think it's likely but I'm keeping my options open.  I am giving Yates the opportunity to defend himself.  If I state, before he defends himself, the reasons why I'm less convinced than many people that he is wolf, I am providing him with material to use in his defense.  I will state my thoughts on Yates after he has spoken.

 

 

Holy crap I totally misread what I highlighted.  I'm so sorry Seph.  I thought you said "Yates look at Shad's post", not "Yates looks at Shad's post". Sorry for being mean.   

 

 

No, no, I did read it right.  o_O  *takes a deep breath*