Alien mafia [BASIC] - Game Over - Town won

[Darthe]

Wolf was almost certainly on wagon

[Shad_]

Wolf was almost certainly on wagon

 

I kind of hope you get night killed.  You're going to derail everything.

[Shad_]

Well actually I hope Laine gets a save and we auto-win, but if not.

 

And if you start digging around for whose vote on the AH train made no sense, hi, I thought AH felt town and all of my posts will indicate that.  Don't bother trying to figure out if my vote matches my read; I can assure you it doesn't.

 

I wasn't going to take on team Darthe while some people still somehow had a scummy feel about me.  I would rather be debating between AH and Hallia right now but at the end of the day she was one of the three left who I thought had a realistic chance of being scum.  Maybe the least realistic, the more I thought about Hallia last night, but if we don't tinfoil we can still win this.

[Shad_]

I think if you pay attention to the total game and not the last five minutes you'll recognize that anyone being scum on that train is way less probable than NB or Hallia.  I accept Darthe as legit cop for something Sooh did D1, not what he's doing now.  -_-

[Shad_]

gn.

 

I honestly don't think there was any way for me to clear AH here.

 

Anyway,

 

Not bob feels natural.

Darthe and Shad are spewed town I believe.

Talya is spewed town in a way that makes her a possible final boss. In other words, you can say it's a -ev strategy if she's a wolf, but then wifom. In Darthe and Shad's cases there is a lot of interactions that I like, and personally I think that's more clearing than simply tunneling a wolf.

I still think Hallia looks bad for explaining to me how AH doesn't look over defensive.

 

Thank you.  You're getting night killed for that though if wolf is GF.  :(  I'll miss you Sili.

[Shad_]

I think if you pay attention to the total game and not the last five minutes you'll recognize that anyone being scum on that train is way less probable than NB or Hallia.  I accept Darthe as legit cop for something Sooh did D1, not what he's doing now.  -_-

 

Edit: something Sooh did D2

[Darthe]

We may lynch shad tomorrow because he doesn't yet possess the skills to think this game through. he also still could be a wolf.

 

One wolf left, doc claimed a protect on me. Even if doc is faking and is a wolf I'm perfectly 100% clear, couldn't be clearer if mod confirmed.

[Shad_]

We may lynch shad tomorrow because he doesn't yet possess the skills to think this game through. he also still could be a wolf.

 

One wolf left, doc claimed a protect on me. Even if doc is faking and is a wolf I'm perfectly 100% clear, couldn't be clearer if mod confirmed.

 

Clearly that's why I'm still alive.

 

Meh I put a lot of work into winning this, I think I contributed a lot towards getting Dae and especially Sooh lynched, Darthe thinks I got a scum team on board with a wild plot where they would intentionally incriminate themselves and I would set them up for the kills but I did all this without the skill to think the game through.

[Shad_]

A few things that bug me about Dae after giving his (sorry for thinking you were female earlier) posts a thorough read:

 

Sili's conduct concerns me. The presumably jokey "i'm not lynching these guys" could be simply a joke, or it could be trying to bail out teammates - in this case Darthe who has come under suspicion. Darthe, i have little read on as there are minimal substantive posts, so I don't want to definitely put these pair together, but it just doesn't gel for me. The way he held off on the Eldrick train until later could be he was seeing which way the wind blew, picking his target and giving the bandwagon more steam as a Mafia ... or it could be he simply waited for the evidence. I'd say i'm leaning Mafia here but only slightly. Definitely keeping my eye on him though.

 

 

And re. Darthe, you have two votes on you, of course you are under suspicion. I can't get a read as you rarely post substantively and i haven't played with you before, but i'd lean town and if you bother to read my post you'll see I don't think those votes are motivated by any actual belief you are Mafia. . 

 

 

Red seems like garbage filler that could apply to most of the people who voted Eldrick, including Dae himself.

As for the rest of the argument against Sili, it's basically the same one I'd already used, except I only saw a connection because of my strong feelings about Darthe.  If I was going to "lean town" with Darthe, as Dae did, the argument doesn't hold much weight.  So why present it?

 

The other thing that bugs me is that Dae has pressed from the beginning that his gut feeling casts Eldrick as town.  He weighs this against unspecified "evidence" and eventually votes Eldrick, then comments that his gut feeling was right all along after Eldrick flips town.  Set-up for appearing innocent while getting the job done?  Dae cast the sixth vote (which Talya hammered almost immediately), but at the time four people hadn't voted at all yet and Yates' Verbal vote was hardly committal.  There was plenty of time left in Day 1.  Why go against your gut feeling and cast the penultimate vote?  I'd understand if it was down to the wire or everyone else had voted, but under the circumstances, wouldn't it have made more sense to express your thoughts but hold off on the vote a while longer?

[Shad_]

 

 

Actually this whole Darthe going after one player in particular is what he did in House of Cards with me. He was town and wrong, but he did it almost exactly that way. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

 

he hasn't progressed his reads since early on. it's pretty tiltling.

 

I just ISOed him. There's not much in there to help us solve anything. No theories or anything, just a lot of finger pointing. I don't like that. I should think that Darthe was able to point out good things about his suspects and not just reiterate that he thinks they are wolves. The lack of solving leads me to believe Darthe is a wolf, and I have read him correctly before...

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

 

Sili - Strange to me how he was town reading Darthe all of D1, and then all of a sudden scum read him. He seems to be veering towards reading him town now, so idk. I like his pushes on people though, and it seems to me like he's trying to solve the game, so I'm giving him a town lean.

 

First post gives Darthe a sort of pass on his gameplay.  At this point most people seem to think Darthe is town or null.

Second post she "ISOs" Darthe in six minutes and decides to vote him.  This is when Sili starts to second guess him a little and it appears as though I might keep pressing him hard in day 2.

Third post she doesn't get why Sili went from a town read to a scum read on Darthe, but he did so right before she kind of sort of did the same thing.

A little opportunistic?

 

Also, I don't like that she's "fairly convinced Eldrick is a wolf" but gives no details.  I don't like that she "Wouldn't mind lynching [Dae] today" after Dae gets lynched.  I don't like that Dae was only her fourth scummiest and had a "null/scum lean" when she said this.

 

Coincidences in timing bug me with her.  She held off explaining Eldrick but continued to look at (presumably less) scummy people in her opinion, just long enough to not have to say anything about him.  She mentions that she'd support a Dae lynch right after Dae gets lynched, but just soon enough that it might have been a coincidence.  She only gets vocal about Darthe at a point in the game where it looks like others might.  She either did a full ISO on Darthe that convinced her to vote him in six minutes or she was just coincidentally doing one when Sili posted and she stopped to engage him.  I could easily give any one instance a pass, but...

 

So maybe Sooh figures at five votes and a scum mate's vote on the way she can toss herself into the majority opinion on Eldrick without having to give a reason.

Maybe Sooh writes an ISO that doesn't totally condemn that scum mate but holds off posting it to see what happens, and adjusts it to not look so favorable towards him when he gets lynched.

Maybe Sooh forgot to modify her pre-written tl;dr to reflect this.

And maybe Sooh thought she could help set up a Shad Darthe double mislynch but backed off as soon as the tide turned.

 

Lots of maybes, but they fit a pattern of game play.  What else do I have to go on?  I think it merits a second vote on her for now.  And if she flips wolf I can probably cross Darthe off my scum list.

 

[Shad_]

Quoted those as a reminder.  Dae also tried to set me up for a lynch D1 and Sooh had me scummy most of the game and claimed she was going to vote me D2, then suddenly started reading me as town when I made the second post above.  You can look at how I engaged town and whatnot, make what you will of me defending Eldrick D1, check my reads lists and see if they feel honest.  Ask yourself if this is the work of a bad scum who doesn't possess the skills to think the game through.  I think I'm only guilty of having not been fooled enough to be jaded when reading people.

 

But whatever.  I'm willing to bank the game on NB or Hallia being scum.  Anyone else would require an unrealistic amount of irrational plots and planning ahead, in most cases to include two scum agreeing to die D2 and D3 for the sake of the third and managing to not reflect any of this in their posts.  If we get a night save and NB/Hallia somehow doesn't wrap things up I might pop up and take a hard look at Talya, but until then I'm burnt out on this game.  I gave it my all but we're setting up to derail into wild plots instead of the obvious in front of us.

 

I'll vote Hallia or NB.  You all pick, or kill me and drop to somewhere slightly below 50% chance of winning.  I've kind of lost interest in debating this.

[Shad_]

Obvious in front of us: Sili will be killed tonight if scum's GF.  He's the only one who's really given what I've done in this game a thorough going over, and my mislynch is what will put mafia back on track for a win.  Scum aren't setting me up for the next lynch, but town probably will.

[Talya]

1. That would be way off for DM

2. That would be the dumbest tinfoil to act on ever

3. Wolves couldn't know a doc didn't exist

4. In no universe does a wolf team with one member left and four days from being winning with a living cop no kill on the off chance they can fake being doc

 

It did cross my mind at one point, but I can't see them wanting to throw it away like that. I had you down as the doc..

 

 

gn.

 

I honestly don't think there was any way for me to clear AH here.

 

Anyway,

 

Not bob feels natural.

Darthe and Shad are spewed town I believe.

Talya is spewed town in a way that makes her a possible final boss. In other words, you can say it's a -ev strategy if she's a wolf, but then wifom. In Darthe and Shad's cases there is a lot of interactions that I like, and personally I think that's more clearing than simply tunneling a wolf.

I still think Hallia looks bad for explaining to me how AH doesn't look over defensive.

 

Thank you.  You're getting night killed for that though if wolf is GF.  :(  I'll miss you Sili.

 

 

eh? Don't understand this

 

We may lynch shad tomorrow because he doesn't yet possess the skills to think this game through. he also still could be a wolf.

 

One wolf left, doc claimed a protect on me. Even if doc is faking and is a wolf I'm perfectly 100% clear, couldn't be clearer if mod confirmed.

 

I agree, it makes perfect sense. As no one else has claimed seer, that also clears you

 

And I'm really ecstatic at the moment...so proud of my little girl... READ THIS  *dances*

[Talya]

Obvious in front of us: Sili will be killed tonight if scum's GF.  He's the only one who's really given what I've done in this game a thorough going over, and my mislynch is what will put mafia back on track for a win.  Scum aren't setting me up for the next lynch, but town probably will.

 

If there is a Godfather, how do you know it isn't Sili? We could go around this in circles. (except if you are Hally and Notbob who don't seem to go anywhere).

 

I'm at a loss just now. Not sure I can go through and read everything again

[Talya]

Eldrick's vote did seem bandwagon-ey, but he did retract it pretty much immediately. I'd normally take that as misplay, and i'm certainly not going to hold taking Darthe's play seriously against him as it is only due to other games that i know it was probably a joke. 

 

Votes notwithstanding, Eldrick's accusers are Alanna, Darthe, Sili and Hallia. Possibly NotBob as well. Five people gunning for one target on Day 1? I'd say you could guarantee one mafia in that list, if not two.

 

The only other lead is supposedly Verb's activity (too active and then not active). Still not overly interested in that argument as i don't think it would be that indicative. On an activity note, i have services all day tomorrow so might get a chance to check in by mobile between rehearsals, but probably not around til Monday. 

 

I gave in and decided to reread...*sighs*

 

Here Dae says that at least one mafia is in that list maybe two. As yet we have no one in that list is mafia. would he put out a list of just townies, the only two who are missing who are left are me and Shad

[Talya]

 

Vote Count

 

Eldrick (5) - Laine, Darthe, Sili, Notbob, Verb

Darthe (2) - Eldrick, Shad

Verbie (1) - Yates

 

Not voting - Daetirion, Hallia, Aiel <3, Sooh, Talya

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

 

DEADLINE - NOON Tuesday EDT (roughly 25 hours from now)

 

At least two scum within the bolded group.

 

 

Funny this: would there be all 3 not voting by this point? I know I'm town so that would make just Hally left?

 

[alannalynn]

 

Laine I think it's +EV TO SELF PROTECT AND BASICALLY LOCK in a confirmed townie to endgame should things go south

Obviously you've given this cop business a lot of thought.

 

I have a questino for you.

 

You've known leelou longer than I have. Would leelou consider a cop vs a godfather (no doc that is) a balanced game?

 

Maybe you should die and clear things up for him Laine.

 

Idk, wolves don't either.

 

Sili on a scale of one to America how townie are you

 

 

1. That would be way off for DM

2. That would be the dumbest tinfoil to act on ever

3. Wolves couldn't know a doc didn't exist

4. In no universe does a wolf team with one member left and four days from being winning with a living cop no kill on the off chance they can fake being doc

 

It did cross my mind at one point, but I can't see them wanting to throw it away like that. I had you down as the doc..

 

For serious, guys?   I must be playing awful this game.

[Talya]

I'm caught up.  I could vote Alanna or Talya at the moment.

 

Eldrick basically always posts in catch up mode, w or v, so that's not indicative IMO.

 

Alanna seems to really want to vote him.

I like this early post of Sooh's, that and the posts I saw on catch up seemed townish.

 

Alanna I would say due to the interaction between her and Yates, and then him being the nightkill.  A more experienced mafia team would know to silence him early, and it seemed to me upon read up that his focus was on her quite a few times.  To silence him early before he can clear himself is a smart move.

 

Talya I would say purely on that D'oh hammer.

 

 

whilst reading back, I saw this. Actually seems a kinda of natural post. I don't think she would be so obvious on Sooh and only mention two other people.

 

[Leelou]

Saddened by losing the cat, your dreams were nightmares. After a restless night, you sleepily made your way to the mess hall. At first, you thought Shad had fallen asleep stumbling in, it was only after he fell to the ground that you noticed he had been murdered. 

 

Shad, Brett - vanilla town, is dead. 

 

It is now day, with 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. 

 

Deadline Wednesday 1 pm EDT. 

[Talya]

 

 

Laine I think it's +EV TO SELF PROTECT AND BASICALLY LOCK in a confirmed townie to endgame should things go south

Obviously you've given this cop business a lot of thought.

 

I have a questino for you.

 

You've known leelou longer than I have. Would leelou consider a cop vs a godfather (no doc that is) a balanced game?

 

Maybe you should die and clear things up for him Laine.

 

Idk, wolves don't either.

 

Sili on a scale of one to America how townie are you

 

 

1. That would be way off for DM

2. That would be the dumbest tinfoil to act on ever

3. Wolves couldn't know a doc didn't exist

4. In no universe does a wolf team with one member left and four days from being winning with a living cop no kill on the off chance they can fake being doc

 

It did cross my mind at one point, but I can't see them wanting to throw it away like that. I had you down as the doc..

 

For serious, guys?   I must be playing awful this game.

 

 

It crossed my mind briefly, but as I said before I had you or Sili down as cop

 

Ninja'd by Leelou

[alannalynn]

 

I'm caught up.  I could vote Alanna or Talya at the moment.

 

Eldrick basically always posts in catch up mode, w or v, so that's not indicative IMO.

 

Alanna seems to really want to vote him.

I like this early post of Sooh's, that and the posts I saw on catch up seemed townish.

 

Alanna I would say due to the interaction between her and Yates, and then him being the nightkill.  A more experienced mafia team would know to silence him early, and it seemed to me upon read up that his focus was on her quite a few times.  To silence him early before he can clear himself is a smart move.

 

Talya I would say purely on that D'oh hammer.

 

 

whilst reading back, I saw this. Actually seems a kinda of natural post. I don't think she would be so obvious on Sooh and only mention two other people.

 

I didn't really like this post of Hallia's. She was throwing suspicion out on me because of a NK on Yates, it felt very forced, imo.

[Talya]

I was thinking about the Sooh part of it. Would she be that obvious making her buddy town?

[alannalynn]

I was thinking about the Sooh part of it. Would she be that obvious making her buddy town?

Yeah why not? "I like this early post" She puts a time frame on it. "the posts I see on catchup seem townish" -- gives the feeling like the posts were read quickly and at first glance they were "townish" not "town"

 

In my opinion, she makes the statement easy to back of

[Talya]

Shush...stop putting doubt in my mind, I was starting feel better about Hally.

 

I'm honestly turning myself round trying to work out who the last wolf is. It seemed easier yesterday.

 

Obviously wolf couldn't cope with no kill again and went with Shad. could have been more or Sili seen as we were "cleared" by Darthe. Someone wanted to keep the idea of Godfather alive or it was one and it would have to be either me, Alanna or Sili. I know I'm not, I'm doubting Alanna, so that would leave Sili. However I would like to concentrate on either Hally or NotBob, I'm happy with NotBob first. Neither were on this thread during the night phase (not that it means much), but it would be nice to hear more from them. In fact Hally has gone to ground I think

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Strange NK.  Looks like I was wrong about Shad.  

 

Hmmm.