Alien mafia [BASIC] - Game Over - Town won

[alannalynn]

He's crazy.

 

But I think shad sounds too knowledgeable to be on game 1. Just look at his last few posts. He feels very confident and coached. I don't remember being like that in my first game. Have you ISOd shad?

[alannalynn]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So was Eldrick.

If that's how town plays we will earn every bit of the loss. Onus to look town is on players, not the ones who vote them. Our only job is to clear ourselves and discern who warrants votes.

WOW, new concept.

 

Shad is probably scum though. Teammates Talya and Heart

Amazingly I was at the place you're at on page 7 or so, with eldrick as a potential other.

 

So this is prob wrong but im not sure how.

Thought this would be inconsistent, checked, it wasn't.

Eldrick/AH wolves.

 

I'm at least half right here.

Doesn't go all in on Eldrick until a bit later.

checking consistencies?

[Sili Quirrels]

Right, checking back in. Initial thoughts on read through as follows:

 

Talya and Alanna have got some good evidence (for Day 1) on Eldrick. My gut is still saying he just made a mistake, but my gut seems to be out of practice in other games and there is nothing to say it's improved here! I think i may just be rationalising his action based on my own mistake in American Gods, which would be logical but unhelpful. In which case I should really follow the evidence, which has certainly been convincing enough for me to lean towards Eldrick as Mafia. I'll hold off on my vote for a couple of hours to internalise what i've read, as i'm still not 100% behind it.

 

Sili's conduct concerns me. The presumably jokey "i'm not lynching these guys" could be simply a joke, or it could be trying to bail out teammates - in this case Darthe who has come under suspicion. Darthe, i have little read on as there are minimal substantive posts, so I don't want to definitely put these pair together, but it just doesn't gel for me. The way he held off on the Eldrick train until later could be he was seeing which way the wind blew, picking his target and giving the bandwagon more steam as a Mafia ... or it could be he simply waited for the evidence. I'd say i'm leaning Mafia here but only slightly. Definitely keeping my eye on him though.

 

The other person I think deserves scrutiny is Shad. He's strongly pushing a defence for Eldrick, which if he flips Mafia would put him top of my list for lynching. He starts the Darthe lynch presumably to try and take some of the heat off Eldrick, who then jumps on the lynch with him. This could just be a desperate player looking for an out, or a genuine attempt to start a rival bandwagon. The way he is clashing, particularly with Darthe, doesn't seem right. Even if Eldrick doesn't flip Mafia, i don't think he's in the clear. A Mafia could offer a strong defence to a townie day 1, knowing his teammates would get the bandwagon over the line and then claim credit later to deflect suspicion. This may be a bit too advanced for a newer player, but we'll see i suppose.

 

Are you trying to set up mislynches here?

[alannalynn]

I was gonna quote his posts but I'm on mobile and it's difficult. Just go read since today started, Sili, it's only been like a page

[Sili Quirrels]

He's crazy.

 

But I think shad sounds too knowledgeable to be on game 1. Just look at his last few posts. He feels very confident and coached. I don't remember being like that in my first game. Have you ISOd shad?

i have an idea of what you're talking about, and i don't really mind it. we can lynch shad although I would prefer one of AH talya or dae.

 

it's just I think darthe needs to explain it in his own words before I follow him.

[alannalynn]

Gotcha. Obviously I'm good with any of those first three.

 

Is the Dae one new? Just for setting up mis lynches or for other reasons?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Note: I am quote snipping to the pertinent bits:

 

Votes notwithstanding, Eldrick's accusers are Alanna, Darthe, Sili and Hallia. Possibly NotBob as well. Five people gunning for one target on Day 1? I'd say you could guarantee one mafia in that list, if not two.

Hallia wasn't gunning for me. She had an issue with me bringing up N0 peeks. I agree with the rest of that list, and your observation that there is probably at least 1 wolf in it.

 

Daetirion - how confident are you in Eldrick being Town? Your observation quoted above only makes sense in a world where Eldrick is mod confirmed Town and I don't understand how that line of reasoning would occur to you/have any merit to make it post worthy in a world where that is not the case.

 

 

Sorry, only spotted this on reread. That call was based on my gut read of it as Eldrick just making a mistake, which initially i was moderately confident in trusting. Per above, my position has altered somewhat on Eldrick (and my gut in general). Should he flip Mafia, the point is moot, but should he flip town I still think there is a good chance some Mafia have jumped on it. It all depends i suppose on how lurky the Mafia team are playing. 

 

Uhm.

 

So no, it's more than one post. I don't buy that Dae instictively knew Eldrick'd made a mistake, because he strikes me as an analytical person and no villager who thinks about spew going is going to blindly case people voting for an unconfirmed villager.

 

I think he knew Eldrick was town and tried to incriminate the people on his wagon to set up for today. It looks like a slip.

[Sili Quirrels]

[unvote]

 

[v]Dae[/v]

 

Darthe, you still need to explain yourself.

[alannalynn]

I see what you mean. I remember this quote of Daes bothering me when I ISOd her/him? yesterday.

Talya and Alanna have got some good evidence (for Day 1) on Eldrick. My gut is still saying he just made a mistake, but my gut seems to be out of practice in other games and there is nothing to say it's improved here! I think i may just be rationalising his action based on my own mistake in American Gods, which would be logical but unhelpful. In which case I should really follow the evidence, which has certainly been convincing enough for me to lean towards Eldrick as Mafia. I'll hold off on my vote for a couple of hours to internalise what i've read, as i'm still not 100% behind it.

there's those first two lines that feel like they contradict later voting Eldrick. It may be nothing, but it stuck out to me enough before to note it here

[Sili Quirrels]

I see what you mean. I remember this quote of Daes bothering me when I ISOd her/him? yesterday.

Talya and Alanna have got some good evidence (for Day 1) on Eldrick. My gut is still saying he just made a mistake, but my gut seems to be out of practice in other games and there is nothing to say it's improved here! I think i may just be rationalising his action based on my own mistake in American Gods, which would be logical but unhelpful. In which case I should really follow the evidence, which has certainly been convincing enough for me to lean towards Eldrick as Mafia. I'll hold off on my vote for a couple of hours to internalise what i've read, as i'm still not 100% behind it.

there's those first two lines that feel like they contradict later voting Eldrick. It may be nothing, but it stuck out to me enough before to note it here

 

 

Oil on the fire.

[Sooh]

Dae was playing a lot before I believe, and has had a hiatus from playing. As for Shad he did mention having read up on a couple of games. I remember being accused of something similar in my first game when I was trying to do what other people were doing and using their lingo, so I am not really suspicious of that on its own. I'll go ISO him though, just to see if anything sticks out.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

So was Eldrick.

If that's how town plays we will earn every bit of the loss.  Onus to look town is on players, not the ones who vote them.  Our only job is to clear ourselves and discern who warrants votes.

 

WOW, new concept.

 

Shad is probably scum though. Teammates Talya and Heart

 

 

I'm playing poorly in a way that I'm afraid isn't very obvious.  I'm a very passive liar.  I like to scheme in the background, but when it comes to directly engaging someone I feel really uncomfortable.  The only way to protect my wolf game in the long run will be to drastically tone down my village game, make the two less distinct.  But I figured, first game, I would just give it my all and, if I made bad reads, at least my blatant honesty about them would clear my own name.

 

It's not working out that way.  I guess I should ask: what do you think makes me woofy?  I don't think you'll find a shred of inconsistency in my approach so far, so if I'm lying I seem to have a very organized plan which is nevertheless ineffective.

 

Ok yeah... this part about analyzing his own never before tried out (?) wolf game is weird. I couldn't tell you my wolf game if I tried, even though I did do a turbo as a wolf.

[Sili Quirrels]

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

[Sooh]

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

 

he hasn't progressed his reads since early on. it's pretty tiltling.

[Sooh]

 

 

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

 

he hasn't progressed his reads since early on. it's pretty tiltling.

 

I just ISOed him. There's not much in there to help us solve anything. No theories or anything, just a lot of finger pointing. I don't like that. I should think that Darthe was able to point out good things about his suspects and not just reiterate that he thinks they are wolves. The lack of solving leads me to believe Darthe is a wolf, and I have read him correctly before...

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

[Daetirion]

Well it's nice to know my gut isn't entirely wrong (re. Eldrick), although obviously not good that we're now two town down. I don't know enough about Yates and his playstyle to comment on whether the NK on him indicates an experienced Mafia team, but i'll be guided by others. 

 

Not quite sure what Sili is getting at on me setting up mislynches. My posts will normally be substantive and set out what i think about my main suspects, and my reasons for doing so. You may not buy the fact I accepted Eldrick's defence, but at the end of the day I similarly screwed up big time in American Gods about 24 hours before Eldrick screwed up here. Without a doubt i was influenced by that, which is why i was more inclined to believe Eldrick - and tied to the swift condemnation from multiple sources it really looked like Mafia scenting weakness and heading in for the kill. After some time to reflect, and evidence presented, it seemed to me that I might be bias due to my actions, and accordingly went with the evidence. It's hardly surprising that my confidence took a knock after bowing out of American Gods so early due to a stupid mistake.

 

Talking about stupid mistakes, i feel we need to talk about the hammer drop. The gap between my vote and Talya's hammer was 12 minutes. We were very lucky that Eldrick didn't have a role, 'cause he sure as hell didn't get a chance to claim it in that time. Yes he could have claimed earlier, but standard meta back in the day was to claim as a last resort - if you didn't have to, don't do it! Talya either made a big mistake, or mafia were deliberately waiting to shut the door on Eldrick asap. She is clearly expecting some heat for this action (justifiably!) and she knows it was wrong - it's arse covering, but is it mafia arse covering? Added to that, Talya then disappears presumably to keep a low profile and hope some distractions show up and her mistake will just be swept under the carpet, and it seems to be working. Mafia trying to throw us off the scent and cover for her?

 

[v]Talya[/v]

[Talya]

No I didn't keep a low profile I wasn't able to get on. Put it in the other game I'm in but not in this one unfortunately. I was writing the post as you voted. I thought he was going to flip wolf. I did actually think it would look bad whether he was wolf or town but made the decision to do it. I really didn't think about a reveal which was stupid on my part I know.

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 
Shad (2) - Darthe, Not Bob
Dae (1) - Sili
Darthe (1) - Sooh
Talya (1) - Dae 
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline - Friday noon EDT

[Verbal32]

Sili, what? You're being odd.

 

I could do a Shad lunch, also a Talya lunch. I want to hear from Heart, atm

 

I'll be in and out today, going back to South Carolina. Currently trying to convince myself this bus ride isn't terrifying at all

 

 

Well it's nice to know my gut isn't entirely wrong (re. Eldrick), although obviously not good that we're now two town down. I don't know enough about Yates and his playstyle to comment on whether the NK on him indicates an experienced Mafia team, but i'll be guided by others. 

 

Not quite sure what Sili is getting at on me setting up mislynches. My posts will normally be substantive and set out what i think about my main suspects, and my reasons for doing so. You may not buy the fact I accepted Eldrick's defence, but at the end of the day I similarly screwed up big time in American Gods about 24 hours before Eldrick screwed up here. Without a doubt i was influenced by that, which is why i was more inclined to believe Eldrick - and tied to the swift condemnation from multiple sources it really looked like Mafia scenting weakness and heading in for the kill. After some time to reflect, and evidence presented, it seemed to me that I might be bias due to my actions, and accordingly went with the evidence. It's hardly surprising that my confidence took a knock after bowing out of American Gods so early due to a stupid mistake.

 

Talking about stupid mistakes, i feel we need to talk about the hammer drop. The gap between my vote and Talya's hammer was 12 minutes. We were very lucky that Eldrick didn't have a role, 'cause he sure as hell didn't get a chance to claim it in that time. Yes he could have claimed earlier, but standard meta back in the day was to claim as a last resort - if you didn't have to, don't do it! Talya either made a big mistake, or mafia were deliberately waiting to shut the door on Eldrick asap. She is clearly expecting some heat for this action (justifiably!) and she knows it was wrong - it's arse covering, but is it mafia arse covering? Added to that, Talya then disappears presumably to keep a low profile and hope some distractions show up and her mistake will just be swept under the carpet, and it seems to be working. Mafia trying to throw us off the scent and cover for her?

 

[v]Talya[/v]

 

The case on you is really that you sounded like you knew Eldrick was a villager.  You spoke about how many wolves were likely on his wagon, which is a subtle indicator that you know he's a villager.

 

As for Talya, I've played countless games with her across multiple sites over the years.  I say this because I'm making a read based on years of meta and understanding how she plays and how she's made 'moves' from both alignments.  I am not reading this as a slip; rather, I'm reading this as a genuine mistake on her part.

 

Actually, I'm kinda talking myself into a vote on you here.

 

[v]Dae[/v]

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 
Shad (2) - Darthe, Not Bob
Dae (2) - Sili, Verbs
Darthe (1) - Sooh
Talya (1) - Dae 
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch
 
Deadline - Friday noon EDT

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

he hasn't progressed his reads since early on. it's pretty tiltling.

No it isn't.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

 

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

he hasn't progressed his reads since early on. it's pretty tiltling.

I just ISOed him. There's not much in there to help us solve anything. No theories or anything, just a lot of finger pointing. I don't like that. I should think that Darthe was able to point out good things about his suspects and not just reiterate that he thinks they are wolves. The lack of solving leads me to believe Darthe is a wolf, and I have read him correctly before...

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

Very wolfy/opportunistic.

 

[v] sooh [/v]

[Darthe]

Who really says 'have read him correctly before' to reinforce that others should follow that person when that person is town?

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 

Shad (2) - Darthe, Not Bob

Dae (2) - Sili, Verbs

Darthe (1) - Sooh

Talya (1) - Dae 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline - Friday noon EDT