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WWWwombat · May 30, 2015

Ok. I guess I just got confused by your mention of AtE on Verb's part. I'd thought the vote was sketchy without bringing AtE into it.

To be fair I thought that the way he went on about what happened with Ape was a bit eh. I mean he could have just said he had a bad experience in another game where someone used AtE for townie points. The post seemed a bit too dramatic lol

I thought he was too dramatic about it at the time so you won't get any argument from me there lol.

Shut it. Weren't you scum in that game?

No, just scum MVP. Had Ape as town on GAMEPLAY.

Verbal32 · May 30, 2015

Ok. I guess I just got confused by your mention of AtE on Verb's part. I'd thought the vote was sketchy without bringing AtE into it.

To be fair I thought that the way he went on about what happened with Ape was a bit eh. I mean he could have just said he had a bad experience in another game where someone used AtE for townie points. The post seemed a bit too dramatic lol

I thought he was too dramatic about it at the time so you won't get any argument from me there lol.

You haven't listened to him whine about it about 100 times in person yet, have you?

-_-

Verbal32 · May 30, 2015

Ok. I guess I just got confused by your mention of AtE on Verb's part. I'd thought the vote was sketchy without bringing AtE into it.
To be fair I thought that the way he went on about what happened with Ape was a bit eh. I mean he could have just said he had a bad experience in another game where someone used AtE for townie points. The post seemed a bit too dramatic lol
I thought he was too dramatic about it at the time so you won't get any argument from me there lol.
Shut it. Weren't you scum in that game?

No, just scum MVP. Had Ape as town on GAMEPLAY.

Ouch.

Verbal32 · May 30, 2015

Ok, back to mowing my lawn - break over.

Nynaeve · May 30, 2015

lol

Cory Caboose · May 30, 2015

I'm almost certainly not going to be on after 4 PM today, so it's time for people to get off me and start trying to lynch scum. Starting with the guy who's not actually doing anything besides flinging baseless crap at me.

[v]Cory[/v]

Have your bros figured it out yet?

Huehuehue

Leelou · May 30, 2015

Ok, back to mowing my lawn - break over.

That reminds me, I should probably get up and clean my house.

WWWwombat · May 30, 2015

I'm almost certainly not going to be on after 4 PM today, so it's time for people to get off me and start trying to lynch scum. Starting with the guy who's not actually doing anything besides flinging baseless crap at me.

[v]Cory[/v]

Have your bros figured it out yet?

Huehuehue

Wtf is your problem? Vote someone who might actually be a wolf.

Nynaeve · May 30, 2015

Noting again how Verbal chooses to sit on Cass instead of switching to the scum suspect he's been talking about since the game started....

Cory Caboose · May 30, 2015

I'm still at work :(

Cory Caboose · May 30, 2015

I'm almost certainly not going to be on after 4 PM today, so it's time for people to get off me and start trying to lynch scum. Starting with the guy who's not actually doing anything besides flinging baseless crap at me.

[v]Cory[/v]

Have your bros figured it out yet?

Huehuehue

Wtf is your problem? Vote someone who might actually be a wolf.

I thought I was a wolf ?.?

WWWwombat · May 30, 2015

Noting again how Verbal chooses to sit on Cass instead of switching to the scum suspect he's been talking about since the game started....

Lol yep. Not doing himself any favors with his nudging imo.

I'm still at work :(

Not a valid excuse for wolfing. Skill up.

WWWwombat · May 30, 2015

I'm almost certainly not going to be on after 4 PM today, so it's time for people to get off me and start trying to lynch scum. Starting with the guy who's not actually doing anything besides flinging baseless crap at me.

[v]Cory[/v]

Have your bros figured it out yet?

Huehuehue

Wtf is your problem? Vote someone who might actually be a wolf.

I thought I was a wolf ?.?

You are either a wolf or their best friend. Not sure which.

Verbal32 · May 30, 2015

Noting again how Verbal chooses to sit on Cass instead of switching to the scum suspect he's been talking about since the game started....

I'm literally on my tractor right now, wtf.

Stop arming people with defenses and let them come to their own conclusions. Doesn't it look like I'm heading that way? I've been 90% Wombat and 5% Cass the whole game.

5% reserved for lolDarthe

Cory Caboose · May 30, 2015

Let's talk about the baseless crap I am slinging at you today

Where is it? LMK

Nynaeve · May 30, 2015

Noting again how Verbal chooses to sit on Cass instead of switching to the scum suspect he's been talking about since the game started....

I'm literally on my tractor right now, wtf.

Stop arming people with defenses and let them come to their own conclusions. Doesn't it look like I'm heading that way? I've been 90% Wombat and 5% Cass the whole game.

5% reserved for lolDarthe

I'm turn between verbally bashing you into oblivion and making fun of you and your tractor.

Nynaeve · May 30, 2015

torn*

WWWwombat · May 30, 2015

You know exactly where it is. It's in most of your posts this day phase. You've basically used Sooh's flip as an excuse to do no actual work while camping a vote on me. Why you picked me, I'm not sure. Maybe I'm too much of a threat to your wolf team. Or maybe you're town and had an idea about trying to get reads from tunneling on me. Given how slow weekends are on DM, I've humored it long enough. It's time to lynch a wolf. Back off, or I will be forced to conclude that that is you.

Cass · May 30, 2015

Stopping after page 11 but I would say it's very likely that Wombat/Verb/Cass/Sooh/Dice/Clov contains 2+ wolves

I will give you a better and more concise list later but right now those are the people I am most wary of

These sorts of posts/reads bother me Cory - how am I supposed to work out if your motivation for putting wolf suggestions out is more Town than Scum if you don't provide the reasons why/encourage more discussion?

I don't like this post. Cory has provided a solid amount of detail on the reasons why he's reading people the way he is. Whether or not he is correct is irrelevant to why I don't like this post - you're blatantly misrepping him here.

Wolfy:

Darthe - forceful on early Seer cover, ?explanation in post #54, both defending/distancing from Nyn, 'pre-vote' /overly hard push on Sooh

Why is any of the bold wolfy? Ignore the part about Nyn for purposes of your response, please. Just comment on the Seer cover and the push on Sooh. What of that was wolfy?

I've explained the Darthe and Seer cover thing in response to Clov here (See the last two paragraphs of the intro and the final spoiler if you missed it).

Basically it's not the Seer cover itself I find wolfy, it's the way Darthe made posting it early such a big thing and simultaneously admitted/downplayed the potential for incorrect early cover to be more beneficial to Scum trying to find the real Seer. Basically the concern is a potential role-fishing push to encourage a higher percentage of incorrect cover.

The Darthe on Sooh push felt wolfy because:

1. Darthe was the first to vote and the vote felt overly eager - He voted in the 'stumping' phase, where votes didn't count, and when questioned brushed it off as 'pre-vote' for the day, which didn't feel sincere;

Day 1 Starts at 9PM EST and will last 48 hours:

You may now begin stumping. Day does not start until 9:00PM EST. Votes will not count during the stump period. This is a good time to make alliances and grease palms...

/snip

/snip

[v] Sooh [/v]

Pre-voting for day Leelou

2. I disagreed with the generalisations that went with the vote and there was otherwise no specific reasons given or effort at interaction made:

/Snip

However, I think Sooh is definitely wolfing this round. She is usually a pretty pure townie. [v] Sooh [/v]

Sooh has been repeatedly pushed as not Townie early on in all the games I've played recently with her, so I completely disagree with the rationalisation that she's 'usually a pretty pure townie'.

This was all the involvement Sooh had in the game up until that vote, none of it seems investigative on Darthe's behalf, and none of it feels decidedly off for Sooh's early game, enough to vote, to me:

Hi everyone!

I will be scarce Thursday because I have an exam, and Friday because I'm overseeing someone else's exam. Other than that I should be fine

Happy visits to Vegas, Leelou! Sounds fun!

Lol I already love this game.

I'm a little sad Cory isn't showering me with love, but I guess I'll deal with it...

Weee!!!! Happy now!

I'm still gonna lunch you though

Ok.. warning accepted, Cory.

I'm a little sad Cory isn't showering me with love, but I guess I'll deal with it...
Prob a slightly wolfy intro

AJ I have read your soul and found it needs more content

Wombat, Cass, Dice scumteam.
Soulread?

Or is it just the Aussie theme?

**snip**

I'm pretty okay at mafia sometimes, Sooh, but I don't think I can soulread people who haven't posted.

Yeah... I suppose even you can't... Oh well...

After reading this post a couple of times, I'd doubt Cass and Sooh are w/w. This type of linking together typically does not come from v/v (imo), so I'd say one of you is a wolf. My initial gut read here says Sooh. Part of that is me putting faith in the only other villager in the game I know (my peek - Darthe), and the rest is the AtE posts she's been making.

I don't normally like to line up lynches like this (it is usually wolfy), but I'm going out on a limb to say if Sooh flips town, you're on the hot seat the following day.

Ok, here's the post people are having a problem about.

I did say that I did not think it came from v/v. Cass was defending Sooh by attacking Darthe. Think about this from my POV:

1. I was suspicious of Sooh, and had her #1 on my WTL

2. Cass appeared to be either white knighting Sooh, or maybe just defending as v/v.

3. But she defended Sooh by attacking Darthe, who is my N0 peek (if I'm Seer).

The combo of the three made me think they weren't v/v, and that one was a wolf. Not both, and not "none".

Why not w/w? Because it links them together too strongly, and wolves don't want that ever...especially not D1.

Why not v/v? Because of how she defended by attacking. This is probably where you folks are hung up with me - my interpretation that this was not likely. The whole situation left me with thinking there was a wolf there. I went with Sooh, but if she flipped town I had it in my head that I'd be wrong on Sooh and therefore it would mean I simply had the wrong player as wolf. So I also had Cass in my WTL, but based mostly on what I just explained.

It is entirely possible I've just explained that poorly, but I can only tell you what I was thinking and try to be as clear as I can. If I'm completely wrong and my 'logic' was stupid, so be it....but I'm standing behind this thought process and conclusion it brought me to.

After re-reading your ISO I have a couple of points.

1. Where did you mention that you had Sooh #1 on your WTL? Before the post about her 'AtE' I don't read you as being overly suspicious of her at all. Have I got that wrong?

Apart from knowing I am Town and the link does not apply, I have a couple of problems with the rest of your logic, and you standing by this thought process in particular right now looks like a wolfy push to me.

You admit yourself in point 2 that my defence of Sooh was possibly V/V, but then you say that the combination of your three points made you think that one of us was a wolf, without the possibility of 'none'.

Doesn't make sense to me because, to address the rest of your points:

2. I was suspicious of Sooh too, as soon as she changed her defence after copping heat - and I'm pretty sure I voiced that several times and pushed her to explain. She was also in my list of potential scum/willing to lynch for that reason, as soon as that changed. What part of that is white knighting? You admit yourself that it's possible V/V and yet you ignore it because I was wrong on Darthe?

3. I attacked Darthe because Darthe made me suspicious of his own accord. Yes, one of the things that made me suspicious was his early push on Sooh but I think that's fair because I was not reading her scummy for her intro or her joke early on, which is what he essentially voted her for.

What other reasons (if any) do you have to vote me over everyone else right now?

Cass · May 30, 2015

Why not v/v? Because of how she defended by attacking. This is probably where you folks are hung up with me - my interpretation that this was not likely. The whole situation left me with thinking there was a wolf there. I went with Sooh, but if she flipped town I had it in my head that I'd be wrong on Sooh and therefore it would mean I simply had the wrong player as wolf. So I also had Cass in my WTL, but based mostly on what I just explained.

I disagree personally. I admit that I haven't played with Sooh up until now, but when I mentored Sooh she was coming off mostly null to other players. In one game of hers when she got ran up as seer (where I was Cass' mentor), she came across scummy through the game. And I've seen pretty much the same here. She seems of the scummy townie variety.

Darthe was characterizing Sooh's initial play as pure townie. Cass thought his push then was based on false reasoning from her experience with Sooh so I can understand her reaction to it. Whether it was white knighting or not, I can't know for sure. Maybe. Maybe it was town on town violence all around. What bugs me about it is that you haven't really bothered bringing up other issues with her content. This is all you're latching onto and imo it's pretty weak.

<3 Nyn gets me.

Verbal32 · May 30, 2015

Noting again how Verbal chooses to sit on Cass instead of switching to the scum suspect he's been talking about since the game started....
I'm literally on my tractor right now, wtf.

Stop arming people with defenses and let them come to their own conclusions. Doesn't it look like I'm heading that way? I've been 90% Wombat and 5% Cass the whole game.

5% reserved for lolDarthe

I'm turn between verbally bashing you into oblivion and making fun of you and your tractor.

[ ] verbally bash Verbal

[ ] make fun of Verbal

[ x ] can't see the difference

Cory Caboose · May 30, 2015

You know exactly where it is. It's in most of your posts this day phase. You've basically used Sooh's flip as an excuse to do no actual work while camping a vote on me. Why you picked me, I'm not sure. Maybe I'm too much of a threat to your wolf team. Or maybe you're town and had an idea about trying to get reads from tunneling on me. Given how slow weekends are on DM, I've humored it long enough. It's time to lynch a wolf. Back off, or I will be forced to conclude that that is you.

I will not be backing off you today.

I like how you went from "Cory is saying baseless crap about me" to "Cory hasn't done anything today".

Gg

Cass · May 30, 2015

How many shiny inside comments does Tress have??

Two mostly. One that I use b/c of being Kaylee, and one other we share.

Potentially a third. She had a special sort of shiny in Ponies/Be Nice mafia and it was horrifying but it still makes me laugh.

@Tress/Yates:

:tongue:

WWWwombat · May 30, 2015

You know exactly where it is. It's in most of your posts this day phase. You've basically used Sooh's flip as an excuse to do no actual work while camping a vote on me. Why you picked me, I'm not sure. Maybe I'm too much of a threat to your wolf team. Or maybe you're town and had an idea about trying to get reads from tunneling on me. Given how slow weekends are on DM, I've humored it long enough. It's time to lynch a wolf. Back off, or I will be forced to conclude that that is you.

I will not be backing off you today.

I like how you went from "Cory is saying baseless crap about me" to "Cory hasn't done anything today".

Gg

I said you did no actual work. Baseless crap does not count as work. Lay them down and issue your N1 peek/cover now or I will shove.

Cory Caboose · May 30, 2015

Come @ me bro

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